Vaccine refusers don't want blue America's respect

Duh. Thanks

Well I don’t want their germs, either, but me not respecting people isn’t going to kill them.

Yeah, Trump lies, he's inarticulate, contradicts himself, says dumb things out loud and tries way too hard to overcome his insecurities and the untrue shots taken at him that it only ends up feeding into them.
But none of that changes my answer to your question
Because it's not honest discussion otherwise. I addressed a specific lie in this thread.
YOUR side can't insist that the truth doesn't matter because, while also insisting on the truth from the opposing side. That's not honest discussion.
The more lies you accept, tell and demand they be left to stand, the farther the discussion gets from the actual truth.




Your last sentence makes it clear you didn't read the article. You only scanned for something you could pick out of the article in order to dismiss the rest of the article where they talk about how it spreads and the problem it presents.



Link for your source on that?

As is the "but Trump" excuse for any time the Democrats do wrong.

Barker, of Branson, about 120 miles (190 kilometers) southwest of Osage Beach, understands the hesitancy. “I was strongly against getting the vaccine,” Barker said through labored breathing. “Just because we’re a strong conservative family.”



www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a37179237/missouri-delta-covid-surge-conservative/

"How's that workin' out for ya?" - Dr. Phil



PS - Barker, the word you need to replace "strong" with is "irrational."

PPS - Glad you're not against that evil librul medicine and such now that you've screwed up and gotten hospitalized for your "beliefs".

Well, but then you have people like my brother, who has taken to posting "vaccine hysteria" type memes on Facebook. I honestly don't know if he and my SIL have been vaxxed. But he, unlike my SIL, grew up with every material advantage and no survival insecurity whatsoever.

So while I completely understand your therapist's position, and agree with her to a point, I believe there comes a time when people need to determine what kind of people they want to be, take responsibility and stop using "I had it rough growing up" narratives to rationalize their actions. 

The thing that frightens me is that it is this bad in August. I really do worry about what is going to happen come fall and winter.

Our work is going back to masking up this week.

We're not comparing lies like Biden or Democrats trying to preserve the fun of a surprise party. Biden outright lies. Quit finding reasons that it's okay if you're a Democrat. That's not honest. 

How many lives were put at risk because Fauci lied and said wearing a mask wouldn't help any? How many people died because of that? We'll never know because he is spared the hate of the left to investigate and dissect every utterance, every breath he takes into oblivion. 
How many people did Whitmer and Cuomo kill by mandating infected seniors go back into nursing homes? 
How come no one ever holds any of them accountable for their actions during these discussions? 

Good lord, you are myopic. In every case you mention, the people involved were trying to make the best choices they could to save the most lives, with incomplete information or only several bad choices to choose from.

Trump lies to make himself look better, stronger, more of a winner to his cult/donors.

Gia pixiechik has become the epic liar “trump” of the peas board.

She’s

Deceitful
Dangerous
Disingenuous
Deplorable

You left this off your quote. "But local officials and shelter operators said they feared that the actual number of infections could be much higher." It came directly after your quote. It was the very next line. I don't THINK you cherry picked one single quote to dismiss the rest of the article, I KNOW. You not only cherry picked it, you left off a very important end to that particular quote. Why? Because it wouldn't help you dismiss the article if you included it.


Some pretty important points that you just dismissed:
"Mr. Rivero, 45, came down with the coronavirus and spent the next two weeks isolated, along with his still-healthy wife, at a hotel with about 200 other migrants who had tested positive for the virus or had been exposed to someone who did.
“I was healthy until I got locked up,” he said.

As the United States vaccinates larger numbers of people and several states begin to reopen after seeing lower infection rates, the failure of U.S. authorities to test adult migrants for the coronavirus in jam-packed border processing centers is creating a potential for new transmissions, public health officials and shelter operators warn, even among migrants who may have arrived healthy at America’s door."

More than 170,000 migrants crossed the border in March — many coming from countries still grappling with high infection rates — but the Border Patrol is conducting no testing for the coronavirus during the several days that the newly arrived migrants are in U.S. custody except in cases where migrants show obvious symptoms."

"In California’s Imperial Valley, where the Cuban couple was apprehended, 15 percent of the migrants released by the Border Patrol into the community between April 7 and April 13 tested positive for the virus — three times higher than the official average, according to the California Department of Social Services."

And the operator of several large shelters where migrant children go after their release from border processing said one out of five children at those facilities was showing a positive test result on arrival.

In theory, those who test positive could have infected other people before arriving here,” said Diego Piña Lopez, the program manager at Casa Alitas, a respite center for migrant families in Tucson, Ariz. Staff members there have been performing rapid coronavirus tests on dozens of migrant families each day after their release by the Border Patrol.

Migrants who have a positive result are transferred to a shelter operated by the city. Others spend a night or two at the respite center and then board planes or buses to their destinations around the United States. Some of them could well have infections contracted in Border Patrol facilities that did not register on tests during the brief time they spent at the respite center, immigrant advocates warned, and could unknowingly expose others as they travel to join friends and family elsewhere in the country.

People who were on the bus or in the cell with people who tested positive are going to test positive,” said Mark Lane, who runs a small humanitarian organization in San Diego, the Minority Humanitarian Foundation. “Uber drivers, taxi drivers and people like us, people who are not fully vaccinated, are getting exposed. Today I took two guys who were released and put them in a T.S.A. line with 500 people on it.”

"The mayor in Yuma, Ariz., Douglas J. Nicholls, said that before the local medical center took over testing, migrants were being dropped off by the immigration agents at the side of a road or in parking lots — with no testing for the coronavirus.

“It’s completely crazy,” Mr. Nicholls said. “It’s not the way we should be handling things during a pandemic.”

Last week, the Texas attorney general, Ken Paxton, filed a lawsuit alleging that the federal government was “encouraging the spread of Covid-19 at the border” by keeping potentially infected migrants housed closely together in government custody.

Mr. Paxton said in a statement that President Biden was demonstrating “outright disregard of the public health crisis” by “welcoming and encouraging mass gatherings” of migrants in border facilities."

"Migrants themselves are expressing worry about spending so much time in close quarters after being apprehended by U.S. authorities.
Jemerson Kener, a Brazilian who crossed the California border last month, tested positive for the coronavirus after spending four days at a crowded Border Patrol station.
“In a pavilion meant for about 20, there must have been 100 men,” he said."

"Cindy Mendez, a Honduran girl who crossed the border in February to join her mother in the United States, said she tested positive for the coronavirus after being housed for two weeks in a processing center in Donna, Texas, that in March was operating at more than 700 percent of the capacity it was designed for.
“We were sleeping on the ground on top of each other,” she said."

"Department of Homeland Security officials stressed that there were no facilities for testing efforts at Border Patrol processing stations, particularly for children, who have to be separated by gender and age. Children are now traveling to shelters in separate buses depending on their Covid-19 status, an improvement from past months.

The agency’s focus has been on moving migrants out of custody faster, which is key to lowering their exposure, and the strategy has been successful: Data released on Tuesday showed that the number of unaccompanied minors in custody had dropped 80 percent in the past month.
But even tracking those migrants who have the coronavirus can be tough.
Andrea Rudnik, whose nonprofit organization, Team Brownsville, provides aid to a hotel for coronavirus isolation in Brownsville, Texas, said many migrants who tested positive had disappeared before their mandatory separation period was up.
“They want to leave,” she said, “and if they realize, ‘Hey, I can just take a taxi from this hotel back to the bus station and get out of there,’ then they’ll do it."



Your one single cherry-picked quote does nothing to dismiss all of that. It is VERY clear YOU did not read the article or you would not have attempted to dismiss it. You did nothing but scan the article for something you could pull out to dismiss the article. 
YOU did not read the article or you would have known that one quote doesn't dismiss the whole article.





You're projecting. It IS interesting to watch you struggle with truth and reality.



In other words, you made up that statistic simply to push your opinion.