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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 3, 2021 1:52:46 GMT
Oh honey, bless your heart <pats hand>. Let’s go over how science works…again. Fauci didn’t “lie”. Fauci went with the best scientific knowledge at the time. When the knowledge changed, Fauci changed his statements to update that. Science is fluid, not frozen in time. Science represents the best knowledge at any given moment. We no longer view the body in terms of the four humours, nor do we treat syphillis with mercury. Scientific knowledge evolves. In addition, Covid is so new that new knowledge is evolving all the time. Instead of persisting in your right-wing-sourced media beliefs, perhaps consider how amazing it is the amount of knowledge has developed in such a short time. Cuomo is a big disappointment for sure, but the state of NY has chosen not to pursue any of the issues with nursing homes. So there’s nothing really to be done except create new policies. Knock yourself out if that’s an enterprise you’d like to pursue. Oh honey, bless your heart <pats hand>. Let’s go over how science works…again. He said that people didn't need them because it wouldn't really help. That we should leave them for medical staff and caregivers. THAT'S not how science works. If masks protect health care providers, masks protect people in general. If masks DON'T protect people in general, masks WON'T protect health care workers. You can NOT have it both ways. THAT'S not science. Gia the Queen of Disinformation And again, with this post, purposefully, willfully, and ignorantly leaves out the context of the statement made by Fauci. Gia/pixiechik is nothing more than a lying propaganda machine. “This needs context EVIDENCE While Fauci, along with several other US health leaders, initially advised people not to wear masks, Fauci later said that he was concerned that there wouldn’t be enough protective equipment for health care workers. This was also early in the pandemic before public health experts fully knew how contagious the disease was and how it spread. Fauci explained that at that time, “we were not aware that 40 to 45% of people were asymptomatic, nor were we aware that a substantial proportion of people who get infected get infected from people who are without symptoms. That makes it overwhelmingly important for everyone to wear a mask.” “So when people say, ‘Well, why did you change your stance? And why are you emphasizing masks so much now when back then you didn't -- and in fact you even said you shouldn't because there was a shortage of masks?’ Well the data now are very, very clear,” he said. “We need to put that nonsense behind us about ‘well, they keep changing their minds,’ ” Fauci said. As to Fauci’s other comments, while he occasionally sought to reassure Americans in the very early days of the virus, he consistently advised to follow CDC guidelines and that things could change.” Gia/pixiechik is hard pressed to tell the truth.
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 3, 2021 2:31:01 GMT
You left this off your quote. "But local officials and shelter operators said they feared that the actual number of infections could be much higher." It came directly after your quote. It was the very next line. I don't THINK you cherry picked one single quote to dismiss the rest of the article, I KNOW. You not only cherry picked it, you left off a very important end to that particular quote. Why? Because it wouldn't help you dismiss the article if you included it. Some pretty important points that you just dismissed: "Mr. Rivero, 45, came down with the coronavirus and spent the next two weeks isolated, along with his still-healthy wife, at a hotel with about 200 other migrants who had tested positive for the virus or had been exposed to someone who did. “I was healthy until I got locked up,” he said.As the United States vaccinates larger numbers of people and several states begin to reopen after seeing lower infection rates, the failure of U.S. authorities to test adult migrants for the coronavirus in jam-packed border processing centers is creating a potential for new transmissions, public health officials and shelter operators warn, even among migrants who may have arrived healthy at America’s door."More than 170,000 migrants crossed the border in March — many coming from countries still grappling with high infection rates — but the Border Patrol is conducting no testing for the coronavirus during the several days that the newly arrived migrants are in U.S. custody except in cases where migrants show obvious symptoms.""In California’s Imperial Valley, where the Cuban couple was apprehended, 15 percent of the migrants released by the Border Patrol into the community between April 7 and April 13 tested positive for the virus — three times higher than the official average, according to the California Department of Social Services." And the operator of several large shelters where migrant children go after their release from border processing said one out of five children at those facilities was showing a positive test result on arrival.In theory, those who test positive could have infected other people before arriving here,” said Diego Piña Lopez, the program manager at Casa Alitas, a respite center for migrant families in Tucson, Ariz. Staff members there have been performing rapid coronavirus tests on dozens of migrant families each day after their release by the Border Patrol. Migrants who have a positive result are transferred to a shelter operated by the city. Others spend a night or two at the respite center and then board planes or buses to their destinations around the United States. Some of them could well have infections contracted in Border Patrol facilities that did not register on tests during the brief time they spent at the respite center, immigrant advocates warned, and could unknowingly expose others as they travel to join friends and family elsewhere in the country. People who were on the bus or in the cell with people who tested positive are going to test positive,” said Mark Lane, who runs a small humanitarian organization in San Diego, the Minority Humanitarian Foundation. “Uber drivers, taxi drivers and people like us, people who are not fully vaccinated, are getting exposed. Today I took two guys who were released and put them in a T.S.A. line with 500 people on it.”"The mayor in Yuma, Ariz., Douglas J. Nicholls, said that before the local medical center took over testing, migrants were being dropped off by the immigration agents at the side of a road or in parking lots — with no testing for the coronavirus.“It’s completely crazy,” Mr. Nicholls said. “ It’s not the way we should be handling things during a pandemic.” Last week, the Texas attorney general, Ken Paxton, filed a lawsuit alleging that the federal government was “encouraging the spread of Covid-19 at the border” by keeping potentially infected migrants housed closely together in government custody.
Mr. Paxton said in a statement that President Biden was demonstrating “outright disregard of the public health crisis” by “welcoming and encouraging mass gatherings” of migrants in border facilities."" Migrants themselves are expressing worry about spending so much time in close quarters after being apprehended by U.S. authorities. Jemerson Kener, a Brazilian who crossed the California border last month, tested positive for the coronavirus after spending four days at a crowded Border Patrol station. “In a pavilion meant for about 20, there must have been 100 men,” he said.""Cindy Mendez, a Honduran girl who crossed the border in February to join her mother in the United States, said she tested positive for the coronavirus after being housed for two weeks in a processing center in Donna, Texas, that in March was operating at more than 700 percent of the capacity it was designed for. “We were sleeping on the ground on top of each other,” she said.""Department of Homeland Security officials stressed that there were no facilities for testing efforts at Border Patrol processing stations, particularly for children, who have to be separated by gender and age. Children are now traveling to shelters in separate buses depending on their Covid-19 status, an improvement from past months. The agency’s focus has been on moving migrants out of custody faster, which is key to lowering their exposure, and the strategy has been successful: Data released on Tuesday showed that the number of unaccompanied minors in custody had dropped 80 percent in the past month. But even tracking those migrants who have the coronavirus can be tough.Andrea Rudnik, whose nonprofit organization, Team Brownsville, provides aid to a hotel for coronavirus isolation in Brownsville, Texas, said many migrants who tested positive had disappeared before their mandatory separation period was up. “They want to leave,” she said, “and if they realize, ‘Hey, I can just take a taxi from this hotel back to the bus station and get out of there,’ then they’ll do it."
Your one single cherry-picked quote does nothing to dismiss all of that. It is VERY clear YOU did not read the article or you would not have attempted to dismiss it. You did nothing but scan the article for something you could pull out to dismiss the article. YOU did not read the article or you would have known that one quote doesn't dismiss the whole article.
You're projecting. It IS interesting to watch you struggle with truth and reality. In other words, you made up that statistic simply to push your opinion. Nope. Not at all, poor, sad, delusional Gia. I’m not the one posting lies and propaganda here like you are. I stated upthread that the FACT I pulled from the article YOU posted, busted your attempt to paint immigrants as mass spreaders of the virus. Context always escapes you. In fact, you even made the link “title” different from the article making it appear that the article itself was painting immigrants as mass spreaders. Liar much? What you lead with in posting just a title to the article was disingenuous, and you knew it. You got caught manipulating once again. I even stated, in that same post that the article mentions that they don’t know if immigrants brought it or that they contracted it upon arrival—the authorities cannot pin point it, so how can we or you? Not once did I negate or argue anything else the article mentioned. Simply playing by the rules like you post here. It’s crystal clear that you are continually posting false info, twisting or leaving out context, purposely posting out right lies. Your the one projecting sweetheart, not I. Nice try but epic failure on your part. I’ve actually posted factual, truthful information rebutting and shutting down your lies and disinformation. Wish I didn’t have to, but people like you are dangerous to society by posting the lies and disinformation. You’re the “trump” of pea land—just cannot tell the truth. Not once did I negate or argue anything else the article mentioned. Yes, you absofuckinglutely did. In response to MollyCoddle's post that someone who's mad and confused by the disparity in Biden's words vs. his action is not "acting like spoiled toddlers" and showed why. I said "No, she's acting like she doesn't trust the Biden administration who is claiming they want you to mask up for the health of the country, while releasing infected immigrants into the country." And I linked the article to back up my statement. You cherry picked one single quote in that entire long article that you attempted to use to argue and negate "releasing infected immigrants into the country."What you lead with in posting just a title to the article was disingenuous, and you knew it. You got caught manipulating once again. Nope that's an outright lie. I posted a LINK to the article, not just the title. The entire point of this thread is why are people vaccine hesitant. I give a viewpoint, back it up (with the New York Times, I might add) and you don't like it. That's a YOU problem, not my problem.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 3, 2021 4:40:22 GMT
Problem with your analogy is saying all lies are the same when they aren’t. Politicians lie, President Obama admitted as much. But there are lies and then there are lies. There different types of lies. Actually there are 7 types of lies. I looked it up. In order to do a true comparison one has to compare the same type of lies. trump is a pathological liar. He lies about everything. But as president he lied about two subjects that put people’s lives at risk and the country’s democracy at risk. From CLC… link” Compiling the Truth: A Resource to Refute Trump’s “Stolen Election” Lies”& From The Atlantic… link” All the President’s Lies About the Coronavirus”
I mean not even Nixon lied this bad. Now you find lies of this caliber that a Democrat has told then you can do a true comparison. Because until you do, your constant attempt to compare trump to President Biden and VP Harris looks kind of silly. We're not comparing lies like Biden or Democrats trying to preserve the fun of a surprise party. Biden outright lies. Quit finding reasons that it's okay if you're a Democrat. That's not honest. How many lives were put at risk because Fauci lied and said wearing a mask wouldn't help any? How many people died because of that? We'll never know because he is spared the hate of the left to investigate and dissect every utterance, every breath he takes into oblivion. How many people did Whitmer and Cuomo kill by mandating infected seniors go back into nursing homes? How come no one ever holds any of them accountable for their actions during these discussions? Do you not understand damage that those series of lies trump told has done to this country? You show me a lie that President Biden, President Obama, President Bush 1&2, President Clinton, President Reagan, President Carter, President Johnson, President Kennedy told in the same caliber as the two examples of lies that trump told that I provided. As far as Dr Fauci lying about wearing masks. Where is your proof Dr Fauci purposely mislead the American People about the masks? As far as the nursing home story goes, as usual you only got part of the story right. But I have a question. If these folks are stable enough to be released from the hospital and they previously lived at the nursing home or still need some care but have no others place to go once they are released from the hospital, where should they go? Park them on a sidewalk? Anybody who defends trump does not get to talk about accountability when it comes to others being held accountable.
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 3, 2021 6:02:52 GMT
We're not comparing lies like Biden or Democrats trying to preserve the fun of a surprise party. Biden outright lies. Quit finding reasons that it's okay if you're a Democrat. That's not honest. How many lives were put at risk because Fauci lied and said wearing a mask wouldn't help any? How many people died because of that? We'll never know because he is spared the hate of the left to investigate and dissect every utterance, every breath he takes into oblivion. How many people did Whitmer and Cuomo kill by mandating infected seniors go back into nursing homes? How come no one ever holds any of them accountable for their actions during these discussions? Do you not understand damage that those series of lies trump told has done to this country? You show me a lie that President Biden, President Obama, President Bush 1&2, President Clinton, President Reagan, President Carter, President Johnson, President Kennedy told in the same caliber as the two examples of lies that trump told that I provided. As far as Dr Fauci lying about wearing masks. Where is your proof Dr Fauci purposely mislead the American People about the masks? As far as the nursing home story goes, as usual you only got part of the story right. But I have a question. If these folks are stable enough to be released from the hospital and they previously lived at the nursing home or still need some care but have no others place to go once they are released from the hospital, where should they go? Park them on a sidewalk? Anybody who defends trump does not get to talk about accountability when it comes to others being held accountable. As far as Dr Fauci lying about wearing masks. Where is your proof Dr Fauci purposely mislead the American People about the masks? He said that people didn't need them because it wouldn't really help. That we should leave them for medical staff and caregivers. THAT'S not how science works. He KNOWS that. As far as the nursing home story goes, as usual you only got part of the story right. What did I get wrong? As far as the nursing home... If these folks are stable enough to be released from the hospital and they previously lived at the nursing home or still need some care but have no others place to go once they are released from the hospital, where should they go? Park them on a sidewalk? Trump brought in an entire medical ship specifically for covid patients that they could have gone into. Instead Cuomo caused how many unnecessary deaths? Anybody who defends trump does not get to talk about accountability when it comes to others being held accountable. I've corrected misinformation tossed around here and also trashed Trump when I felt it was warranted. That aside, I get to talk about anything I damn well please. Seriously, the "but Trump" excuse doesn't ever excuse the Democrats when they do wrong, like you think it does. It just makes you look foolish and dishonest. When they do wrong they get to be held accountable just like anyone else. They're not above being held accountable. The constant excuses for Democrats here discredits your arguments to almost meaningless.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 3, 2021 10:17:20 GMT
Nope. Not at all, poor, sad, delusional Gia. I’m not the one posting lies and propaganda here like you are. I stated upthread that the FACT I pulled from the article YOU posted, busted your attempt to paint immigrants as mass spreaders of the virus. Context always escapes you. In fact, you even made the link “title” different from the article making it appear that the article itself was painting immigrants as mass spreaders. Liar much? What you lead with in posting just a title to the article was disingenuous, and you knew it. You got caught manipulating once again. I even stated, in that same post that the article mentions that they don’t know if immigrants brought it or that they contracted it upon arrival—the authorities cannot pin point it, so how can we or you? Not once did I negate or argue anything else the article mentioned. Simply playing by the rules like you post here. It’s crystal clear that you are continually posting false info, twisting or leaving out context, purposely posting out right lies. Your the one projecting sweetheart, not I. Nice try but epic failure on your part. I’ve actually posted factual, truthful information rebutting and shutting down your lies and disinformation. Wish I didn’t have to, but people like you are dangerous to society by posting the lies and disinformation. You’re the “trump” of pea land—just cannot tell the truth. Not once did I negate or argue anything else the article mentioned. Yes, you absofuckinglutely did. In response to MollyCoddle's post that someone who's mad and confused by the disparity in Biden's words vs. his action is not "acting like spoiled toddlers" and showed why. I said "No, she's acting like she doesn't trust the Biden administration who is claiming they want you to mask up for the health of the country, while releasing infected immigrants into the country." And I linked the article to back up my statement. You cherry picked one single quote in that entire long article that you attempted to use to argue and negate "releasing infected immigrants into the country."What you lead with in posting just a title to the article was disingenuous, and you knew it. You got caught manipulating once again. Nope that's an outright lie. I posted a LINK to the article, not just the title. The entire point of this thread is why are people vaccine hesitant. I give a viewpoint, back it up (with the New York Times, I might add) and you don't like it. That's a YOU problem, not my problem. Nope—wrong again. I didn’t dismiss anything from the article. You take and mix quotes out of context to try to get your “ah-ha” moment, and twist and turn each time someone points out a fact. I posted a quote from the article you linked that You didn’t like, that is not in support of the opinion you were trying to make. I didn’t have any argument with anything else in the article, didn’t dismiss anything. People are vaccine hesitant, because people like you lie, manipulate information, and downplay Covid/vaccine. This is what I said… I left only the facts from the NY Times. Care to comment on the facts? What “facts” specifically? This one? (from what you posted article…) “There have been no instances of mass spread at U.S. border facilities, and overall numbers of cases are relatively low, according to the Department of Homeland Security. About 5 percent of all single adults and families tested after their release since March showed a positive result, according to the agency, while among the thousands of unaccompanied minors now in custody, the rate has been about 12 percent.” So common sense would tell you that the Biden administration really isn’t releasing all these “rabidly infected immigrants” into the wild as your type lies and stretches the truth about. If they are not tested upon arrival, then there is no evidence that they brought it with them, right? For all we know, they could have gotten it while held, AFTER they’ve already been here. On the same subject, Ron DeSantis is responsible for 100x more spread of the virus than immigrants who are released.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 3, 2021 13:20:29 GMT
Nope. Not at all, poor, sad, delusional Gia. I’m not the one posting lies and propaganda here like you are. I stated upthread that the FACT I pulled from the article YOU posted, busted your attempt to paint immigrants as mass spreaders of the virus. Context always escapes you. In fact, you even made the link “title” different from the article making it appear that the article itself was painting immigrants as mass spreaders. Liar much? What you lead with in posting just a title to the article was disingenuous, and you knew it. You got caught manipulating once again. I even stated, in that same post that the article mentions that they don’t know if immigrants brought it or that they contracted it upon arrival—the authorities cannot pin point it, so how can we or you? Not once did I negate or argue anything else the article mentioned. Simply playing by the rules like you post here. It’s crystal clear that you are continually posting false info, twisting or leaving out context, purposely posting out right lies. Your the one projecting sweetheart, not I. Nice try but epic failure on your part. I’ve actually posted factual, truthful information rebutting and shutting down your lies and disinformation. Wish I didn’t have to, but people like you are dangerous to society by posting the lies and disinformation. You’re the “trump” of pea land—just cannot tell the truth. Not once did I negate or argue anything else the article mentioned. Yes, you absofuckinglutely did. In response to MollyCoddle's post that someone who's mad and confused by the disparity in Biden's words vs. his action is not "acting like spoiled toddlers" and showed why. I said "No, she's acting like she doesn't trust the Biden administration who is claiming they want you to mask up for the health of the country, while releasing infected immigrants into the country." And I linked the article to back up my statement. You cherry picked one single quote in that entire long article that you attempted to use to argue and negate "releasing infected immigrants into the country."What you lead with in posting just a title to the article was disingenuous, and you knew it. You got caught manipulating once again. Nope that's an outright lie. I posted a LINK to the article, not just the title. The entire point of this thread is why are people vaccine hesitant. I give a viewpoint, back it up (with the New York Times, I might add) and you don't like it. That's a YOU problem, not my problem. So you think (or are trying to reroute the OP) “the entire point if this thread is why people are vaccine hesitant” yet you post disingenuous info, incorrect information… People are vaccine hesitant because: 1. Fox News screams at the to be that way, 2. Republicans have outright denied the virus, calling it made up or the flu, 3. People like you continue to sow disinformation about the virus, 4. Republicans have made the virus a political tool by means of pitting people against anyone and any business who are doing the best the can to protect others from contracting it or spreading it, 5. Anti-vaxxers are not educated with factual info regarding the virus/vaccine, 6. Republicans are creating laws preventing people/businesses to stay safe and protected, 7. A bunch of people are just dumb, 8. Former idiot potus had massive rallies, (still does rallies) where masks are refused and while people were supposed to be social distancing 9. Former administration did not take action on virus despite scientists and doctors sounding the alarms 10. Anti vaxxers attacking workers who are only doing their jobs— There is really no good reason for not getting the vaccine—there are a minimal number of those who shouldn’t get it—but yet here we are—republicans still sowing the disinformation about the virus and vaccine, politicians—against medical and scientific urging creating laws yo outlaw masking and protection and limits on stores/restaurants , etc. There is an effective vaccine to prevent/limit the spread of this terrible and deadly virus, but people are hesitant because of the reasons listed above.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 3, 2021 13:26:49 GMT
Oh honey, bless your heart <pats hand>. Let’s go over how science works…again. Fauci didn’t “lie”. Fauci went with the best scientific knowledge at the time. When the knowledge changed, Fauci changed his statements to update that. Science is fluid, not frozen in time. Science represents the best knowledge at any given moment. We no longer view the body in terms of the four humours, nor do we treat syphillis with mercury. Scientific knowledge evolves. In addition, Covid is so new that new knowledge is evolving all the time. Instead of persisting in your right-wing-sourced media beliefs, perhaps consider how amazing it is the amount of knowledge has developed in such a short time. Cuomo is a big disappointment for sure, but the state of NY has chosen not to pursue any of the issues with nursing homes. So there’s nothing really to be done except create new policies. Knock yourself out if that’s an enterprise you’d like to pursue. Oh honey, bless your heart <pats hand>. Let’s go over how science works…again. He said that people didn't need them because it wouldn't really help. That we should leave them for medical staff and caregivers. THAT'S not how science works. If masks protect health care providers, masks protect people in general. If masks DON'T protect people in general, masks WON'T protect health care workers. You can NOT have it both ways. THAT'S not science. Liar. That is not what Fauci said. He didn’t say that “it wouldn’t matter” as you have stated. “As Fauci told the Washington Post here , at the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, masks were not recommended for the general public, as authorities were trying to prevent a mask shortage for health workers and the extent of asymptomatic spread was unknown. As more information became available about SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, health authorities and organizations around the world have changed their stance towards the impact of face masks and the spread of the disease ( here ). As of the publishing of this fact check, Fauci is encouraging people to wear face coverings. Fauci has reaffirmed this stance on interviews on Sept. 21, Aug. 10 and Aug. 5 “ Fauci, to this day, continually updates as new/better/more accurate and relevant info is available.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 3, 2021 13:43:37 GMT
Do you not understand damage that those series of lies trump told has done to this country? You show me a lie that President Biden, President Obama, President Bush 1&2, President Clinton, President Reagan, President Carter, President Johnson, President Kennedy told in the same caliber as the two examples of lies that trump told that I provided. As far as Dr Fauci lying about wearing masks. Where is your proof Dr Fauci purposely mislead the American People about the masks? As far as the nursing home story goes, as usual you only got part of the story right. But I have a question. If these folks are stable enough to be released from the hospital and they previously lived at the nursing home or still need some care but have no others place to go once they are released from the hospital, where should they go? Park them on a sidewalk? Anybody who defends trump does not get to talk about accountability when it comes to others being held accountable. As far as Dr Fauci lying about wearing masks. Where is your proof Dr Fauci purposely mislead the American People about the masks? He said that people didn't need them because it wouldn't really help. That we should leave them for medical staff and caregivers. THAT'S not how science works. He KNOWS that. Once again where is your proof that Dr. Fauci deliberately lied to the American People about wearing masks? “He KNOWS that” is proof of nothing. As far as the nursing home story goes, as usual you only got part of the story right. What did I get wrong? As far as the nursing home... If these folks are stable enough to be released from the hospital and they previously lived at the nursing home or still need some care but have no others place to go once they are released from the hospital, where should they go? Park them on a sidewalk? Trump brought in an entire medical ship specifically for covid patients that they could have gone into. Instead Cuomo caused how many unnecessary deaths? Do your own research to get the “entire story”.Anybody who defends trump does not get to talk about accountability when it comes to others being held accountable. I've corrected misinformation tossed around here and also trashed Trump when I felt it was warranted. That aside, I get to talk about anything I damn well please. Seriously, the "but Trump" excuse doesn't ever excuse the Democrats when they do wrong, like you think it does. It just makes you look foolish and dishonest. When they do wrong they get to be held accountable just like anyone else. They're not above being held accountable. The constant excuses for Democrats here discredits your arguments to almost meaningless. Phooey!
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 3, 2021 14:05:33 GMT
Once again where is your proof that Dr. Fauci deliberately lied to the American People about wearing masks? “He KNOWS that” is proof of nothing. Doctor Fauci told the public that masks won't really work well for them, but they will work well for healthcare workers and caregivers, as if the virus knows what kind of person is wearing the mask, that's not science. It's an obvious lie. Do your own research to get the “entire story”. I have. You're alleging that I missed something, only you can inform what it is YOU think I missed. No amount of research is going to tell me what YOU think.
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 3, 2021 14:28:04 GMT
People are vaccine hesitant, because people like you lie, manipulate information, and downplay Covid/vaccine. That is an outright lie. I have never downplayed Covid OR the vaccine. The rest of your drivel is nothing more than you projecting your actions onto me and not worth responding to, but that one caught my eye and needed to be addressed. It's statements like the one from you quoted above that show you have long ago left good faith arguments when you outright lie about what I've said or done.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 3, 2021 14:51:00 GMT
Once again where is your proof that Dr. Fauci deliberately lied to the American People about wearing masks? “He KNOWS that” is proof of nothing. Doctor Fauci told the public that masks won't really work well for them, but they will work well for healthcare workers and caregivers, as if the virus knows what kind of person is wearing the mask, that's not science. It's an obvious lie. I have. You're alleging that I missed something, only you can inform what it is YOU think I missed. No amount of research is going to tell me what YOU think. Again you have provided no proof Dr. Fauci deliberately mislead the American People about masks. You left a lot of the details out of your little rant against Cuomo. There were several states that made the decision to do this and there was a criteria that had to be met before folks were moved. And you neglected to provide the reason it was being done. In both of these cases you were not part of the decision making process and you have no idea what data these decision makers had when they made the decisions/said what they did. But yet you are providing “your” version of both these issues at the same time cherry-picking the available information to make your point.
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Post by purplebee on Aug 3, 2021 15:09:46 GMT
Ladies, I don’t want to step on any toes here, but I don’t understand why you are trying to reason with Gia. You know by now that she is unreasonable. I do understand the desire to push back because she is so obnoxious and so wrong, I was very tempted to join the fray after her willfully ignorant statements about Dr. Fauci. But please spare yourself the stress of trying to enlighten someone who is not just drinking the trump humper Kool-Aid, but is probably being infused via an IV! She lives for this kind of back and forth, she knows which buttons to push, you are giving her exactly what she wants.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 3, 2021 16:22:20 GMT
Once again where is your proof that Dr. Fauci deliberately lied to the American People about wearing masks? “He KNOWS that” is proof of nothing. Doctor Fauci told the public that masks won't really work well for them, but they will work well for healthcare workers and caregivers, as if the virus knows what kind of person is wearing the mask, that's not science. It's an obvious lie. NO, that is not what he said. If you're going to quote him, get the quote right. In the clip, Dr Fauci says “There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.” Fauci made this comment on an interview with 60 Minutes on March 8, during the early stages of the novel coronavirus outbreak in the United States. The interview predates the CDC’s updated guidance on the use of face coverings. On April 3, 2020, the CDC updated its previous advice and recommended people wear cloth face coverings “in public settings when around people outside their household, especially when social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.” www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-fauci-outdated-video-masks/fact-checkoutdated-video-of-fauci-saying-theres-no-reason-to-be-walking-around-with-a-mask-idUSKBN26T2TRwww.cbsnews.com/news/preventing-coronavirus-facemask-60-minutes-2020-03-08/www.factcheck.org/2020/05/outdated-fauci-video-on-face-masks-shared-out-of-context/LaPook, March 8: There’s a lot of confusion among people, and misinformation, surrounding face masks. Can you discuss that? Fauci: The masks are important for someone who’s infected to prevent them from infecting someone else… Right now in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks. LaPook: You’re sure of it? Because people are listening really closely to this. Fauci: …There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face. LaPook: And can you get some schmutz, sort of staying inside there? Fauci: Of course, of course. But, when you think masks, you should think of health care providers needing them and people who are ill. The people who, when you look at the films of foreign countries and you see 85% of the people wearing masks — that’s fine, that’s fine. I’m not against it. If you want to do it, that’s fine. LaPook: But it can lead to a shortage of masks? Fauci: Exactly, that’s the point. It could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need it.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 3, 2021 16:31:15 GMT
www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/29/did-anthony-fauci-lie-masks-march-marco-rubio-said/4068162001/Fauci’s critics have focused on his words "there's no reason to be walking around with a mask." But in the same interview, he also said that it was "fine" to wear a mask, although it wouldn’t offer perfect protection. And he said the main point was to preserve masks for those who were already ill and people providing care. On March 27, Fauci spoke to a San Francisco NBC affiliate. He said given the shortage of masks, the general public ranked last behind doctors and nurses, and people who are infected. "When we say you don't need to wear a mask, what we're really saying is make sure you prioritize it first for the people who need the mask," Fauci said. "In a perfect world, if you had all the masks you wanted, then you could get some degree of protection, but make sure you prioritize it well."
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 3, 2021 16:34:01 GMT
Ladies, I don’t want to step on any toes here, but I don’t understand why you are trying to reason with Gia. You know by now that she is unreasonable. I do understand the desire to push back because she is so obnoxious and so wrong, I was very tempted to join the fray after her willfully ignorant statements about Dr. Fauci. But please spare yourself the stress of trying to enlighten someone who is not just drinking the trump humper Kool-Aid, but is probably being infused via an IV! She lives for this kind of back and forth, she knows which buttons to push, you are giving her exactly what she wants. I agree. I usually just try to scroll by any of the back and forth because it is pointless.
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Post by Merge on Aug 3, 2021 20:08:39 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 4, 2021 2:42:55 GMT
People are vaccine hesitant, because people like you lie, manipulate information, and downplay Covid/vaccine. That is an outright lie. I have never downplayed Covid OR the vaccine. The rest of your drivel is nothing more than you projecting your actions onto me and not worth responding to, but that one caught my eye and needed to be addressed. It's statements like the one from you quoted above that show you have long ago left good faith arguments when you outright lie about what I've said or done. Silly Gia. Always deflecting. You’re the one who purposely refused “good faith” discussions. Always moving the goalposts posts, changing context. It’s not me projecting it’s clearly you based on quite a few posts/responses on this thread. Your disingenuous lying and purposeful misinformation after being called out repeatedly says it all.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 4, 2021 2:48:00 GMT
Ladies, I don’t want to step on any toes here, but I don’t understand why you are trying to reason with Gia. You know by now that she is unreasonable. I do understand the desire to push back because she is so obnoxious and so wrong, I was very tempted to join the fray after her willfully ignorant statements about Dr. Fauci. But please spare yourself the stress of trying to enlighten someone who is not just drinking the trump humper Kool-Aid, but is probably being infused via an IV! She lives for this kind of back and forth, she knows which buttons to push, you are giving her exactly what she wants. It’s not trying to reason with her. It’s important to call out the lies, disinformation and bullshit that people like her continually post—It would be nice to ignore it, but that’s how we ended up with trump, people thought that the lying orange fool didn’t have a chance, but his lies, disinformation and bullshit got him to an office that he should never had held—he was inept, unqualified, ignorant, an epic liar, destructive, damaging, and a horrible potus. So tor me, it’s about combating the lies by the liars—because that’s what they are when they keep on with their rhetoric after being shown the truth/facts time and time over. Wouldn’t want Anyone new to the board/unfamiliar with her MO, to see her bullshit as fact.
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Post by pyccku on Aug 4, 2021 3:20:13 GMT
So my daughter had her wisdom teeth out last week and hasn’t eaten solid food since then. She finally had solids tonight and we went for tacos art a place called tacos calafias. If you live in Phoenix, they’re worth a visit. I’ve tried all of the different fillings and they’re all quite good.
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Post by chlerbie on Aug 4, 2021 4:03:13 GMT
Stop.feeding.the.troll.
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Post by Merge on Aug 4, 2021 13:20:34 GMT
So my daughter had her wisdom teeth out last week and hasn’t eaten solid food since then. She finally had solids tonight and we went for tacos art a place called tacos calafias. If you live in Phoenix, they’re worth a visit. I’ve tried all of the different fillings and they’re all quite good. I’m always in favor of good tacos.
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Post by femalebusiness on Aug 4, 2021 14:54:06 GMT
Ladies, I don’t want to step on any toes here, but I don’t understand why you are trying to reason with Gia. You know by now that she is unreasonable. I do understand the desire to push back because she is so obnoxious and so wrong, I was very tempted to join the fray after her willfully ignorant statements about Dr. Fauci. But please spare yourself the stress of trying to enlighten someone who is not just drinking the trump humper Kool-Aid, but is probably being infused via an IV! She lives for this kind of back and forth, she knows which buttons to push, you are giving her exactly what she wants. Those who would argue with a mentally broken person are almost as broken as she. They are just assuring she will never go away. She lives for this shit. She is a sick individual. Just please ignore her.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 4, 2021 16:09:05 GMT
Ladies, I don’t want to step on any toes here, but I don’t understand why you are trying to reason with Gia. You know by now that she is unreasonable. I do understand the desire to push back because she is so obnoxious and so wrong, I was very tempted to join the fray after her willfully ignorant statements about Dr. Fauci. But please spare yourself the stress of trying to enlighten someone who is not just drinking the trump humper Kool-Aid, but is probably being infused via an IV! She lives for this kind of back and forth, she knows which buttons to push, you are giving her exactly what she wants. It’s not trying to reason with her. It’s important to call out the lies, disinformation and bullshit that people like her continually post—It would be nice to ignore it, but that’s how we ended up with trump, people thought that the lying orange fool didn’t have a chance, but his lies, disinformation and bullshit got him to an office that he should never had held—he was inept, unqualified, ignorant, an epic liar, destructive, damaging, and a horrible potus. So tor me, it’s about combating the lies by the liars—because that’s what they are when they keep on with their rhetoric after being shown the truth/facts time and time over. Wouldn’t want Anyone new to the board/unfamiliar with her MO, to see her bullshit as fact. I have a problem with misinformation and feel the spreading of it has a lot to do with the problems this country is facing today. There are some who will read misleading comments on this board and either know that it’s wrong or do a quick check before buying into the narrative. And then there are those that have the “if you read it on the internet it must be true” mentally. You may lose the battle with the person posting misleading information but win the war by showing others who read this comments that they are not accurate and there is more to the story. Spreading misinformation is not going to go away by itself if people keep ignoring it’s happening and do nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2021 16:37:35 GMT
You may lose the battle with the person posting misleading information but win the war by showing others who read this comments that they are not accurate and there is more to the story. IMO, it is NEVER about changing the brainwashed mind of the person posting lies/half-truths. It is ALWAYS about correcting the lies and half-truths for the bystanders who can learn and spread the truth in their spheres of influence.
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Post by purplebee on Aug 4, 2021 22:13:55 GMT
You may lose the battle with the person posting misleading information but win the war by showing others who read this comments that they are not accurate and there is more to the story. IMO, it is NEVER about changing the brainwashed mind of the person posting lies/half-truths. It is ALWAYS about correcting the lies and half-truths for the bystanders who can learn and spread the truth in their spheres of influence. I agree with this, and believe me, I have deleted many posts that I have written in opposition to her rhetoric. But I do think that engaging with her in precisely the way she wants only encourages the proliferation of misinformation on the board. I would rather talk about tacos and have her slowly fade away.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 4, 2021 22:48:02 GMT
IMO, it is NEVER about changing the brainwashed mind of the person posting lies/half-truths. It is ALWAYS about correcting the lies and half-truths for the bystanders who can learn and spread the truth in their spheres of influence. I agree with this, and believe me, I have deleted many posts that I have written in opposition to her rhetoric. But I do think that engaging with her in precisely the way she wants only encourages the proliferation of misinformation on the board. I would rather talk about tacos and have her slowly fade away. This goes to show how differently people look at things. I think that when one comes on a thread , doesn’t like the way they think it should go they post silly things like pictures of jello salad or tacos are rude. Unless it’s a name calling nasty exchange I have never understood that tactic. I would think if one didn’t like someone’s posts or an interaction between two or more peas it would be a simple matter to ignore the thread instead of doing something that is childish like posting pictures of jello salad and/or talk about food. And quite frankly, it’s not up to any of us to decide who gets to post on this public board. All this does is smack of “mean girl” and/or bullying IMO.
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Post by gar on Aug 5, 2021 7:12:59 GMT
And quite frankly, it’s not up to any of us to decide who gets to post on this public board. All this does is smack of “mean girl” and/or bullying IMO. I don't think anyone is trying to dictate who posts here are they? Just suggesting a different response to someone who only interacts here on certain threads, in a certain way, which yes, is their right. And imho, posting about tacos is more like lighthearted distraction techniques than mean girl bullying.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 5, 2021 12:27:16 GMT
It’s not trying to reason with her. It’s important to call out the lies, disinformation and bullshit that people like her continually post—It would be nice to ignore it, but that’s how we ended up with trump, people thought that the lying orange fool didn’t have a chance, but his lies, disinformation and bullshit got him to an office that he should never had held—he was inept, unqualified, ignorant, an epic liar, destructive, damaging, and a horrible potus. So tor me, it’s about combating the lies by the liars—because that’s what they are when they keep on with their rhetoric after being shown the truth/facts time and time over. Wouldn’t want Anyone new to the board/unfamiliar with her MO, to see her bullshit as fact. I have a problem with misinformation and feel the spreading of it has a lot to do with the problems this country is facing today. There are some who will read misleading comments on this board and either know that it’s wrong or do a quick check before buying into the narrative. And then there are those that have the “if you read it on the internet it must be true” mentally. You may lose the battle with the person posting misleading information but win the war by showing others who read this comments that they are not accurate and there is more to the story. Spreading misinformation is not going to go away by itself if people keep ignoring it’s happening and do nothing. I understand that, and have a really hard time with lies and twisting of statements as well. If the goal is to give accurate information for others rather than trying to change her mind, perhaps people should change their tactic and post as if they are giving the information to those people. The posts usually get pretty nasty and that isn’t really pleasant for anyone to read. If I’m ignoring those posts, I would guess that people who don’t follow politics enough to know what the truth is are also doing the same. Toning down the nastiness would do everyone good.
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Post by elaine on Aug 5, 2021 13:14:16 GMT
I have a problem with misinformation and feel the spreading of it has a lot to do with the problems this country is facing today. There are some who will read misleading comments on this board and either know that it’s wrong or do a quick check before buying into the narrative. And then there are those that have the “if you read it on the internet it must be true” mentally. You may lose the battle with the person posting misleading information but win the war by showing others who read this comments that they are not accurate and there is more to the story. Spreading misinformation is not going to go away by itself if people keep ignoring it’s happening and do nothing. I understand that, and have a really hard time with lies and twisting of statements as well. If the goal is to give accurate information for others rather than trying to change her mind, perhaps people should change their tactic and post as if they are giving the information to those people. The posts usually get pretty nasty and that isn’t really pleasant for anyone to read. If I’m ignoring those posts, I would guess that people who don’t follow politics enough to know what the truth is are also doing the same. Toning down the nastiness would do everyone good. Yes. And when any of these threads degenerates into back and forth with Gia/pixiechick, it really becomes little different than posts about jello or 🌮, and certainly a great deal more personal and nasty. The topics usually have little to do with the original post, and what is presented on one side bears as much connection to reality and the OP as jello and 🌮. It becomes increasingly frustrating- as someone who enjoys the political discussions - that they become sidetracked in this unpleasant back-and-forth that becomes increasingly personal and attacking as the “discussion” goes on. It ruins political threads as much as food discussions, yet is much less entertaining and much more “mean girl.” The excuse/justification is that “real” information is put out there, yet once these discussions/arguments start, I can guarantee that very few people beyond the participants are actually reading them for information. Our eyes all glaze over and we mutter an internal “here we go again.” The participants don’t appear to realize that every time the political threads degenerate into these arguments that pixiechick “wins.” The original discussion is abandoned for whatever rabbit hole she leads you down. You give her the power to steer the conversation. She, and those who follow and believe the right wing lies, will never be swayed by what they see as the liberal spin, and there is much satisfaction over having the power to derail many political discussions. And all the people who supposedly will believe the “truth” have stopped reading in detail, they just skim hoping that the fight will end. If the few posters want to engage in that back-and-forth with pixie, I won’t try to stop them. It is a public message board and people can post what they want. But I also don’t think that their behavior is really subjectively different from diverting the thread to talking about food or David Hasselhoff, except that the political discussions become more personally attacking.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 5, 2021 13:19:40 GMT
And quite frankly, it’s not up to any of us to decide who gets to post on this public board. All this does is smack of “mean girl” and/or bullying IMO. I don't think anyone is trying to dictate who posts here are they? Just suggesting a different response to someone who only interacts here on certain threads, in a certain way, which yes, is their right. And imho, posting about tacos is more like lighthearted distraction techniques than mean girl bullying. Hear, hear. I disagree that the need to correct political untruths is on par with getting swept into one of these marathon tennis match threads where one of the players delights in playing dirty. And I disagree that continued refutals are necessary to prevent supposed clueless, lurking Peas from believing misinformation - when it is just as likely that it will just turn them off of political discussion here. Since we’re defending truth, it is not true that anybody is deciding who gets to post. That doesn’t mean that people want to continue feeding this…erm… energy. I say this as a reformed feeder who would much rather eat tacos with pyccku . Far from a mean girl or bully, she always shares her guac. ETA: What elaine said.
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