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Post by aj2hall on Dec 7, 2021 7:04:57 GMT
Nope, I’m just tired of arguing with you. It’s a waste of time. And I’m fairly certain that everyone here knows your tactics, the Republican playbook - gaslight, lie, spin, deflect, false comparison, false premise, false equivalency, whataboutisms etc.
As far as vaccine mandates, here’s the 3rd part that matters. If Republicans spent as much time encouraging their base to get vaccinated as they do fighting mask mandates and vaccine mandates, we would not be in the current situation. Republican politicians need to get out of the way, stop promoting misinformation, step up and do the right thing to save the lives of the unvaccinated - primarily their voters.
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Post by pixiechick on Dec 7, 2021 7:12:44 GMT
Nothing I said was false. That's the only reason you can't point out anything false.
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Post by pixiechick on Dec 7, 2021 7:53:49 GMT
Nope, I’m just tired of arguing with you. It’s a waste of time. And I’m fairly certain that everyone here knows your tactics, the Republican playbook - gaslight, lie, spin, deflect, false comparison, false premise, false equivalency, whataboutisms etc. As far as vaccine mandates, here’s the 3rd part that matters. If Republicans spent as much time encouraging their base to get vaccinated as they do fighting mask mandates and vaccine mandates, we would not be in the current situation. Republican politicians need to get out of the way, stop promoting misinformation, step up and do the right thing to save the lives of the unvaccinated - primarily their voters. Speaking of tactics... Whenever people say truths you don't want to hear but you don't have a valid debate, you resort to personal attacks and try to bring "others" in to back up your bullshit. And I disagree that the mandates are working. They're causing even more distrust along with the other alienating and shady policies. We're losing valuable people in extremely important areas because of the mandates. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 7, 2021 10:57:21 GMT
You are an idiot if you think President Biden has anything to do with these deaths. This is still fallout from trump’s reign of terror and the imbeciles who are still acting as if it is a hoax, and not vaxing or masking in their misguided loyalty to the pos who encouraged this belief to gain votes, but then went ahead and secretly got vaccinated to protect his own cowardly ass. So much of your right wing KoolAid-fueled rhetoric is downright laughable. Yes, Trump contributed in a big way, but don't discount the fact that Biden contributed to these numbers in a big way too. Biden ran on ending the virus. With that in mind he often puts public perception before following the science. His words and his experts words, don't always match up. What do you think that does to the trust of anything he says? How do you think that affects the decision process of those who aren't vaccinated yet? FDA's vaccine experts voted against the boosters. He knows better than the experts. At least 4 FDA vaccine experts resigned and more announced they were considering it. The CDC director, following the science, made an announcement about not needing vaccinations to open the schools. Biden dismissed that by saying she wasn't speaking officially. Not speaking officially - while sitting in front of a CDC panel.  He lies about the vaccine and the fact checkers have to call him out. Biden is walking around maskless in places requiring masks. He's also coughing into his hand from his maskless face and then going to shake hands with strangers with that exact same hand. He takes off his mask to hang with the Carters indoors, putting them at risk and then puts it back on when he goes outside where it's not necessary to mask up. That defies logic. Not to mention science and safety. Biden said that he would not do mandates. He set a goal of 70% vaccinated in order to reach herd immunity to be safe. We surpassed that a while ago. So he changed the FACT that we DID hit percentage needed, by adding in children to the vax rates. That changed the "percentage reached" in order to "justify" mandate under threat of your job. Or threat of participating in society. He set a vaccine mandate because being vaccinated is so important to prevent deaths. So important to prevent deaths, that you aren't required to do so for 2 months. Allowing how many people to die in 2 months? Doesn't sound like a decision based on safety or science. It does sound like Biden policies contributing to the number of deaths. Requiring businesses with 100 people to have a vaccine mandate. It's so important to be vaccinated in order to prevent death that it must be mandated. That leaves how many people to die because they are in a business with less than 100 people? What do you think all that does to the trust of anything he says? How do you think that affects the decision process of those who aren't vaccinated yet? Sounds like Biden policies contributing to the number of deaths. Are you saying that people In businesses without mask mandates have been “left to die?” How so? The implication is that people in small businesses are too witless to determine for themselves that they should get vaccinated. That is quite an assumption. “ The Labor Department said it chose the 100-person benchmark because it is confident that employers with at least that many workers have the administrative capacity to enforce the mandate. ” |
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 7, 2021 12:35:51 GMT
Nope, I’m just tired of arguing with you. It’s a waste of time. And I’m fairly certain that everyone here knows your tactics, the Republican playbook - gaslight, lie, spin, deflect, false comparison, false premise, false equivalency, whataboutisms etc. As far as vaccine mandates, here’s the 3rd part that matters. If Republicans spent as much time encouraging their base to get vaccinated as they do fighting mask mandates and vaccine mandates, we would not be in the current situation. Republican politicians need to get out of the way, stop promoting misinformation, step up and do the right thing to save the lives of the unvaccinated - primarily their voters. Speaking of tactics... Whenever people say truths you don't want to hear but you don't have a valid debate, you resort to personal attacks and try to bring "others" in to back up your bullshit. And I disagree that the mandates are working. They're causing even more distrust along with the other alienating and shady policies. We're losing valuable people in extremely important areas because of the mandates. No, I don’t care what your opinion is about shady policies. The goal is to get more people vaccinated and the facts and evidence clearly show that they are working. NYC is 90% vaccinated. US Air is 95% vaccinated. And no, when push comes to shove, most people are getting vaccinated. I posted the facts and evidence previously in the vaccine mandates are working thread. And you posted your opinions there, too, which is exactly why this is a waste of time. |
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Post by christine58 on Dec 7, 2021 12:47:55 GMT
Let's not forget that most people dying at this point are UNVACCINATED. Anyone can spew what ever nonsense they want about how Biden is failing to deal with the covid crisis but no one in their right mind could possibly blame Biden for unvaccinated Americans dying. He and the Democrats have done everything they possibly can to get people vaccinated. It is the Republican party who are fighting getting vaccinated, fighting vaccine mandates and spreading false information about the safety of the vaccine. This a THOUSAND times. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Dec 7, 2021 14:53:50 GMT
Let's not forget that most people dying at this point are UNVACCINATED. Anyone can spew what ever nonsense they want about how Biden is failing to deal with the covid crisis but no one in their right mind could possibly blame Biden for unvaccinated Americans dying. He and the Democrats have done everything they possibly can to get people vaccinated. It is the Republican party who are fighting getting vaccinated, fighting vaccine mandates and spreading false information about the safety of the vaccine. This a THOUSAND times. You know what? As mean as it sounds, at this point I’ve gotten to the point where I really don’t care too much if unvaccinated Republicans continue to die from this stupid thing. The facts are there. The vaccines are there. You know that old saying you can lead a horse to water? Well the same is true with this. If by now (after over 700K+ people in this country alone have already died) these people still don’t get it that getting the vaccine CAN SAVE YOUR LIFE, and yet they still don’t care enough about *their own life* or the lives of those around them who are unable to be vaccinated or adequately protected by the vaccine, then I’ve got nothing. I can’t care more about someone than they care about themself to do the few small things that can protect their own damn life. And if the Republican politicians can’t see the forest for the trees enough to convince their own voters (you know, the very people who have been keeping them in office all this time?) to do what they need to do to freaking STAY ALIVE long enough to vote in the next election, well then I can’t say I’m sorry for them either. I’m going to go out on a limb here right now and make this prediction. My guess is that in the next election there is going to be a huge drop in votes for Republican candidates because a good chunk of their voter base (especially in mostly Republican southern states) will be dead by then. As a result, some of them will lose (unless their insane level of gerrymandering is a whopping success). And when they lose they will go on to cry, “Voter fraud! Election fraud! The only way I could have lost was if this election was RIGGED!” And if investigated, the only voter fraud that will be found will be due to other Republicans trying to cast votes for their dead relatives. Just watch. |
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Post by tracylynn on Dec 7, 2021 16:05:19 GMT
You know what? As mean as it sounds, at this point I’ve gotten to the point where I really don’t care too much if unvaccinated Republicans continue to die from this stupid thing. The facts are there. The vaccines are there. You know that old saying you can lead a horse to water? Well the same is true with this. If by now (after over 700K+ people in this country alone have already died) these people still don’t get it that getting the vaccine CAN SAVE YOUR LIFE, and yet they still don’t care enough about *their own life* or the lives of those around them who are unable to be vaccinated or adequately protected by the vaccine, then I’ve got nothing. I can’t care more about someone than they care about themself to do the few small things that can protect their own damn life. And if the Republican politicians can’t see the forest for the trees enough to convince their own voters (you know, the very people who have been keeping them in office all this time?) to do what they need to do to freaking STAY ALIVE long enough to vote in the next election, well then I can’t say I’m sorry for them either. I’m going to go out on a limb here right now and make this prediction. My guess is that in the next election there is going to be a huge drop in votes for Republican candidates because a good chunk of their voter base (especially in mostly Republican southern states) will be dead by then. As a result, some of them will lose (unless their insane level of gerrymandering is a whopping success). And when they lose they will go on to cry, “Voter fraud! Election fraud! The only way I could have lost was if this election was RIGGED!” And if investigated, the only voter fraud that will be found will be due to other Republicans trying to cast votes for their dead relatives. Just watch. Oh, I have lost all sympathy! |
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Post by myshelly on Dec 7, 2021 16:24:13 GMT
Alright then. I'll remove my numbers, put your numbers, and just leave the quote from Biden since it still stands: The rest of the Biden words don't matter because Trump never said "he takes no responsibility for covid" as Biden tried to insinuate. Biden was called out buy the fact checkers for a number of untruths he told about Trump. And since this also still holds true. You’re entitled to your opinion. I’m not going to bother to point out the errors, falsehoods,misrepresentations etc in your “facts”. At the end of the day here’s what matters 1. Vaccine mandates work 2. Chances are good that Biden’s mandate will hold up in court But you’re aware that so far it hasn’t been held up in court, right? You think that the current SC make up will uphold it? OSHA has halted enforcement of the 100 employee rule. |
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Dec 7, 2021 16:39:13 GMT
To bring my original post back to on topic. If you are going to shop in a place like a grocery store that requires Masks and you DON'T want to fucking wear one, go to fucking self checkout.  |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Dec 7, 2021 16:44:49 GMT
To bring my original post back to on topic. Yeah, it's sad state of affairs when a thread about customers being kind results in a political debate and a politics label. It's gross to me how covid has been made political. I validate your complaint.  |
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Post by Just T on Dec 7, 2021 16:47:48 GMT
Yeah, it's sad state of affairs when a thread about customers being kind results in a political debate and a politics label. It's gross to me how covid has been made political. I validate your complaint. Yes to all of that. I will also validate your complaint. I'm sick to death of selfish a-holes who act like wearing a freaking mask inside a store is the equivalent of Jewish people having to sew stars on their clothing. And yes, I have seen that comparison quite a bit, and it makes me fuming mad. I don't get the big deal about wearing a damn mask. |
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Post by lizacreates on Dec 7, 2021 17:17:24 GMT
To bring my original post back to on topic. If you are going to shop in a place like a grocery store that requires Masks and you DON'T want to fucking wear one, go to fucking self checkout. I read your posts and I still don’t understand something. Ontario requires masks for retailers that primarily sell food (i.e., grocery stores). It’s a requirement (it’s in your Ontario ordinance for reopening), so why doesn’t your store management enforce it? Have you asked them? The store is a private business so it can enforce whatever rules it wants as long as it’s not illegal and discriminatory based on sex, race, religion, etc. |
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Post by amp on Dec 7, 2021 17:19:22 GMT
Yeah, it's sad state of affairs when a thread about customers being kind results in a political debate and a politics label. It's gross to me how covid has been made political. I validate your complaint. Yes to all of that. I will also validate your complaint. I'm sick to death of selfish a-holes who act like wearing a freaking mask inside a store is the equivalent of Jewish people having to sew stars on their clothing. And yes, I have seen that comparison quite a bit, and it makes me fuming mad. I don't get the big deal about wearing a damn mask. I'm with you on this -- I don't get the big deal about wearing a mask. I'm a Republican, have only voted Democrat once. But we all got vaccinated for Polio and lots of other stuff as young children...and nobody questioned it. It's just nuts not to get vaccinated and wear a mask. And as my priest says frequently, we need to care about others -- SO JUST WEAR THE MASK!! I think a lot of people forget this part. My town is extremely Republican, and people have actually said it is their right not to wear a mask, and those vulnerable can just stay home. But where is the love and caring for our fellow humans in that? Yes, it's my right to not wear the mask, and I get mean looks for wearing it. But I don't care, I'm happy to wear it if it protects someone's child, someone's grandmother. I feel better just having typed this. |
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Post by Just T on Dec 7, 2021 17:38:35 GMT
I get mean looks for wearing it. But I don't care Not long ago, someone made a snide comment to me about wearing a mask. It's not required where I live, but I've been wearing one in stores anyway. People can say all they want that they don't work, or whatever, but I have not been sick with even a cold since February 2020. I wore a mask all last winter. I always end up with a couple of colds, even bronchitis, every winter. Nothing since I started wearing a mask. My mask wearing harms NO one. I was in line in the grocery store, and some old dude behind me said "people like you are what keep everyone afraid. Turn off the fake news and take off your mask." I started to just ignore him, but I finally turned around and said, "Why do you care if I am wearing a mask? How does a mask on my face impact YOU??" He didn't respond. |
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Post by amp on Dec 7, 2021 17:47:28 GMT
I get mean looks for wearing it. But I don't care Not long ago, someone made a snide comment to me about wearing a mask. It's not required where I live, but I've been wearing one in stores anyway. People can say all they want that they don't work, or whatever, but I have not been sick with even a cold since February 2020. I wore a mask all last winter. I always end up with a couple of colds, even bronchitis, every winter. Nothing since I started wearing a mask. My mask wearing harms NO one. I was in line in the grocery store, and some old dude behind me said "people like you are what keep everyone afraid. Turn off the fake news and take off your mask." I started to just ignore him, but I finally turned around and said, "Why do you care if I am wearing a mask? How does a mask on my face impact YOU??" He didn't respond. I'll remember this. Thank you for sharing!! |
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Post by epeanymous on Dec 7, 2021 18:27:04 GMT
Yes to all of that. I will also validate your complaint. I'm sick to death of selfish a-holes who act like wearing a freaking mask inside a store is the equivalent of Jewish people having to sew stars on their clothing. And yes, I have seen that comparison quite a bit, and it makes me fuming mad. I don't get the big deal about wearing a damn mask. I'm with you on this -- I don't get the big deal about wearing a mask. I'm a Republican, have only voted Democrat once. But we all got vaccinated for Polio and lots of other stuff as young children...and nobody questioned it. It's just nuts not to get vaccinated and wear a mask. And as my priest says frequently, we need to care about others -- SO JUST WEAR THE MASK!! I think a lot of people forget this part. My town is extremely Republican, and people have actually said it is their right not to wear a mask, and those vulnerable can just stay home. But where is the love and caring for our fellow humans in that? Yes, it's my right to not wear the mask, and I get mean looks for wearing it. But I don't care, I'm happy to wear it if it protects someone's child, someone's grandmother. I feel better just having typed this. This is really heartening. I have been very confused about religious leaders who have not encouraged this — I think pretty much every religion encourages care for others! |
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Post by gar on Dec 7, 2021 18:33:04 GMT
Yes to all of that. I will also validate your complaint. I'm sick to death of selfish a-holes who act like wearing a freaking mask inside a store is the equivalent of Jewish people having to sew stars on their clothing. And yes, I have seen that comparison quite a bit, and it makes me fuming mad. I don't get the big deal about wearing a damn mask. …and people have actually said it is their right not to wear a mask, and those vulnerable can just stay home. That might work if it only affected vulnerable people but it doesn’t does it, as you obviously know. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 7, 2021 18:38:33 GMT
Yes to all of that. I will also validate your complaint. I'm sick to death of selfish a-holes who act like wearing a freaking mask inside a store is the equivalent of Jewish people having to sew stars on their clothing. And yes, I have seen that comparison quite a bit, and it makes me fuming mad. I don't get the big deal about wearing a damn mask. I'm with you on this -- I don't get the big deal about wearing a mask. I'm a Republican, have only voted Democrat once. But we all got vaccinated for Polio and lots of other stuff as young children...and nobody questioned it. It's just nuts not to get vaccinated and wear a mask. And as my priest says frequently, we need to care about others -- SO JUST WEAR THE MASK!! I think a lot of people forget this part. My town is extremely Republican, and people have actually said it is their right not to wear a mask, and those vulnerable can just stay home. But where is the love and caring for our fellow humans in that? Yes, it's my right to not wear the mask, and I get mean looks for wearing it. But I don't care, I'm happy to wear it if it protects someone's child, someone's grandmother. I feel better just having typed this. True. These are the same people who have tantrums in store when asked to wear a mask, and some of them think that no one should be wearing a mask. Charming folks. 🙄 |
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Dec 7, 2021 19:32:39 GMT
To bring my original post back to on topic. Yeah, it's sad state of affairs when a thread about customers being kind results in a political debate and a politics label. It's gross to me how covid has been made political. I validate your complaint.  Yes and considering that I am Canadian, it's odd that American politics have also been brought up. |
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Dec 7, 2021 19:34:43 GMT
To bring my original post back to on topic. If you are going to shop in a place like a grocery store that requires Masks and you DON'T want to fucking wear one, go to fucking self checkout. I read your posts and I still don’t understand something. Ontario requires masks for retailers that primarily sell food (i.e., grocery stores). It’s a requirement (it’s in your Ontario ordinance for reopening), so why doesn’t your store management enforce it? Have you asked them? The store is a private business so it can enforce whatever rules it wants as long as it’s not illegal and discriminatory based on sex, race, religion, etc. Because exemptions are allowed. However we can't force someone to let us see their doctor's note. So there is no way to actually know if it's just an anti mask person or someone with a legitimate exemption. |
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 7, 2021 21:49:04 GMT
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Post by myshelly on Dec 7, 2021 21:55:27 GMT
The important difference is who is making the mandate. A mandate at the *federal level* is the problem and there is not legal precedent for it. Those vaccine mandates being upheld don’t apply in this case. |
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 7, 2021 22:21:23 GMT
I'm not sure how the federal government is any different from the state of Maine. If/ when the case gets to the Supreme Court, the legal precedent is the 1905 case that upheld a smallpox vaccine mandate.
eta - I realize there is a significant difference between the federal government and state governments. What I was trying to say is that so far, mandates from universities and states have been upheld by the courts. We don't know how the Supreme Court will rule on Biden's vaccine mandate. We do know how the justices ruled on the Maine case. A majority ruled to allow the government, the state of Maine, to require health care workers to get vaccinated without a religious exemption. Maybe that's relevant to the federal mandates, maybe not.
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Post by myshelly on Dec 7, 2021 22:31:22 GMT
I'm not sure how the federal government is any different from the state of Maine. If/ when the case gets to the Supreme Court, the legal precedent is the 1905 case that upheld a smallpox vaccine mandate. Oh wow. That shows how very little you know about legal precedent and how our government is set up. |
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 7, 2021 22:43:34 GMT
I'm aware of the difference between state and federal governments. I was trying to make the point that the case of Maine involved a government imposing a vaccine mandate vs a university. I'm not a legal scholar and don't claim to be one. Many articles that I read about the vaccine mandates mentioned the 1905 case as a potential legal precedent. www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/08/vaccine-mandate-strong-supreme-court-precedent-510280The question of whether those freedoms include refusing a legally mandated Covid-19 vaccine, should any government implement such a requirement today, has yet to come before the Supreme Court — or any court. But in the event that it does, the 116-year-old case brought by Henning Jacobson would be the standing legal precedent.www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/biden-s-covid-vaccine-mandate-plan-constitutional-whatever-his-gop-ncna1279086The federal courts have uniformly rejected constitutional challenges to government vaccine mandates, so long as they don’t single out one demographic group in a way that’s discriminatory. The Supreme Court has done so since the 1905 case Jacobson v. Massachusetts, when a smallpox epidemic swept through the Bay State.www.politifact.com/article/2021/sep/15/will-joe-bidens-vaccination-requirements-hold-cour/So far, we’ve looked at the legality of the specific mechanisms for each of Biden’s three major policy changes. But lurking behind each of them is a broader issue: whether the courts will uphold the larger principle that the government can require vaccinations for most people without allowing broad opt-out provisions.The longstanding precedent on this issue comes from the 1905 Supreme Court case Jacobson v. Massachusetts. |
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Post by pixiechick on Dec 11, 2021 5:31:54 GMT
Yes, Trump contributed in a big way, but don't discount the fact that Biden contributed to these numbers in a big way too. Biden ran on ending the virus. With that in mind he often puts public perception before following the science. His words and his experts words, don't always match up. What do you think that does to the trust of anything he says? How do you think that affects the decision process of those who aren't vaccinated yet? FDA's vaccine experts voted against the boosters. He knows better than the experts. At least 4 FDA vaccine experts resigned and more announced they were considering it. The CDC director, following the science, made an announcement about not needing vaccinations to open the schools. Biden dismissed that by saying she wasn't speaking officially. Not speaking officially - while sitting in front of a CDC panel. He lies about the vaccine and the fact checkers have to call him out. Biden is walking around maskless in places requiring masks. He's also coughing into his hand from his maskless face and then going to shake hands with strangers with that exact same hand. He takes off his mask to hang with the Carters indoors, putting them at risk and then puts it back on when he goes outside where it's not necessary to mask up. That defies logic. Not to mention science and safety. Biden said that he would not do mandates. He set a goal of 70% vaccinated in order to reach herd immunity to be safe. We surpassed that a while ago. So he changed the FACT that we DID hit percentage needed, by adding in children to the vax rates. That changed the "percentage reached" in order to "justify" mandate under threat of your job. Or threat of participating in society. He set a vaccine mandate because being vaccinated is so important to prevent deaths. So important to prevent deaths, that you aren't required to do so for 2 months. Allowing how many people to die in 2 months? Doesn't sound like a decision based on safety or science. It does sound like Biden policies contributing to the number of deaths. Requiring businesses with 100 people to have a vaccine mandate. It's so important to be vaccinated in order to prevent death that it must be mandated. That leaves how many people to die because they are in a business with less than 100 people? What do you think all that does to the trust of anything he says? How do you think that affects the decision process of those who aren't vaccinated yet? Sounds like Biden policies contributing to the number of deaths. Are you saying that people In businesses without mask mandates have been “left to die?” How so? The implication is that people in small businesses are too witless to determine for themselves that they should get vaccinated. That is quite an assumption. “ The Labor Department said it chose the 100-person benchmark because it is confident that employers with at least that many workers have the administrative capacity to enforce the mandate. ” Are you saying that people In businesses without mask mandates have been “left to die?” How so? The implication is that people in small businesses are too witless to determine for themselves that they should get vaccinated. That is quite an assumption. Isn't that the entire point of the vaccine mandate, that people are too witless to determine for themselves? |
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Post by pixiechick on Dec 11, 2021 5:47:00 GMT
Let's not forget that most people dying at this point are UNVACCINATED. Anyone can spew what ever nonsense they want about how Biden is failing to deal with the covid crisis but no one in their right mind could possibly blame Biden for unvaccinated Americans dying. He and the Democrats have done everything they possibly can to get people vaccinated. It is the Republican party who are fighting getting vaccinated, fighting vaccine mandates and spreading false information about the safety of the vaccine. This a THOUSAND times. Not one single thing I said is false. I posted the facts and evidence previously in the vaccine mandates are working thread. And you posted your opinions there, too, which is exactly why this is a waste of time. I too posted facts along with any opinions. Just as you stated any facts along with your opinions. You're inability to tolerate facts about Biden that show his problems and failings, doesn't make them any less factual. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 11, 2021 11:04:27 GMT
Are you saying that people In businesses without mask mandates have been “left to die?” How so? The implication is that people in small businesses are too witless to determine for themselves that they should get vaccinated. That is quite an assumption. “ The Labor Department said it chose the 100-person benchmark because it is confident that employers with at least that many workers have the administrative capacity to enforce the mandate. ” Are you saying that people In businesses without mask mandates have been “left to die?” How so? The implication is that people in small businesses are too witless to determine for themselves that they should get vaccinated. That is quite an assumption. Isn't that the entire point of the vaccine mandate, that people are too witless to determine for themselves? I know some pretty smart people who haven’t been vaccinated, so IMO it has more to do with political affiliation. They tend to be Trump supporters, so that would mean that many Trump supporters are witless. Is that what you are suggesting? |
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Post by pixiechick on Dec 11, 2021 20:50:17 GMT
Isn't that the entire point of the vaccine mandate, that people are too witless to determine for themselves? I know some pretty smart people who haven’t been vaccinated, so IMO it has more to do with political affiliation. They tend to be Trump supporters, so that would mean that many Trump supporters are witless. Is that what you are suggesting? It's not my implication/suggestion. This is ALL Biden. Unnecessary mandate and all. |
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