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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 11, 2021 20:59:24 GMT
I know some pretty smart people who haven’t been vaccinated, so IMO it has more to do with political affiliation. They tend to be Trump supporters, so that would mean that many Trump supporters are witless. Is that what you are suggesting? It's not my implication/suggestion. This is ALL Biden. Unnecessary mandate and all. You did say “Requiring businesses with 100 people to have a vaccine mandate. It's so important to be vaccinated in order to prevent death that it must be mandated. That leaves how many people to die because they are in a business with less than 100 people? ” I took you to mean that those people couldn’t manage to get vaccinated by themselves. Many of them, although certainly not all, are Trump supporters. I think that this vaccine resistance has political origins. And now you say that it’s Biden’s fault. I guess that I’m not sure what you are trying to say. |
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Post by pixiechick on Dec 11, 2021 22:25:28 GMT
It's not my implication/suggestion. This is ALL Biden. Unnecessary mandate and all. You did say “Requiring businesses with 100 people to have a vaccine mandate. It's so important to be vaccinated in order to prevent death that it must be mandated. That leaves how many people to die because they are in a business with less than 100 people? ” I took you to mean that those people couldn’t manage to get vaccinated by themselves. Many of them, although certainly not all, are Trump supporters. I think that this vaccine resistance has political origins. And now you say that it’s Biden’s fault. I guess that I’m not sure what you are trying to say. Biden is saying by his words, actions, and mandates, that it's so important to "prevent death" that we must mandate vaccines. But "preventing death" is not important enough to do it right now, we can wait and let some people die until after the holiday shopping season. Biden is saying by his words, actions, and mandates, that it's so important to "prevent death" that we must mandate vaccines for companies over 100 employees. But "preventing death" is not important enough to mandate for anyone with under 100 employees, apparently those employees can die. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 11, 2021 22:45:57 GMT
You did say “Requiring businesses with 100 people to have a vaccine mandate. It's so important to be vaccinated in order to prevent death that it must be mandated. That leaves how many people to die because they are in a business with less than 100 people? ” I took you to mean that those people couldn’t manage to get vaccinated by themselves. Many of them, although certainly not all, are Trump supporters. I think that this vaccine resistance has political origins. And now you say that it’s Biden’s fault. I guess that I’m not sure what you are trying to say. Biden is saying by his words, actions, and mandates, that it's so important to "prevent death" that we must mandate vaccines. But "preventing death" is not important enough to do it right now, we can wait and let some people die until after the holiday shopping season. Biden is saying by his words, actions, and mandates, that it's so important to "prevent death" that we must mandate vaccines for companies over 100 employees. But "preventing death" is not important enough to mandate for anyone with under 100 employees, apparently those employees can die. I wrote in an earlier post that the administration felt that companies of over 100 people would more likely have the administrative personnel in place to keep track of who got vaccinated and who didn’t. I don’t blame Biden because if you don’t get vaccinated, then whatever happens to you is your fault. A surprising number of people agree with me. But you do you. |
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Post by sassyangel on Dec 11, 2021 23:10:19 GMT
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Post by pixiechick on Dec 12, 2021 1:03:27 GMT
Biden is saying by his words, actions, and mandates, that it's so important to "prevent death" that we must mandate vaccines. But "preventing death" is not important enough to do it right now, we can wait and let some people die until after the holiday shopping season. Biden is saying by his words, actions, and mandates, that it's so important to "prevent death" that we must mandate vaccines for companies over 100 employees. But "preventing death" is not important enough to mandate for anyone with under 100 employees, apparently those employees can die. I wrote in an earlier post that the administration felt that companies of over 100 people would more likely have the administrative personnel in place to keep track of who got vaccinated and who didn’t. I don’t blame Biden because if you don’t get vaccinated, then whatever happens to you is your fault. A surprising number of people agree with me. But you do you. I wrote in an earlier post that the administration felt that companies of over 100 people would more likely have the administrative personnel in place to keep track of who got vaccinated and who didn’t. That doesn't do anything to prevent or even explain away the deaths in companies of less than 100. I don’t blame Biden because if you don’t get vaccinated, then whatever happens to you is your fault. A surprising number of people agree with me. But you do you. I do blame Biden for the vaccine mandates. If more people agreed with you we wouldn't HAVE unnecessary mandates. The reality is: caveats put in the mandates by Biden contradict the so called importance of the mandates. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 12, 2021 1:09:40 GMT
I wrote in an earlier post that the administration felt that companies of over 100 people would more likely have the administrative personnel in place to keep track of who got vaccinated and who didn’t. I don’t blame Biden because if you don’t get vaccinated, then whatever happens to you is your fault. A surprising number of people agree with me. But you do you. I wrote in an earlier post that the administration felt that companies of over 100 people would more likely have the administrative personnel in place to keep track of who got vaccinated and who didn’t. That doesn't do anything to prevent or even explain away the deaths in companies of less than 100. I don’t blame Biden because if you don’t get vaccinated, then whatever happens to you is your fault. A surprising number of people agree with me. But you do you. I do blame Biden for the vaccine mandates. If more people agreed with you we wouldn't HAVE unnecessary mandates. The reality is: caveats put in the mandates by Biden contradict the so called importance of the mandates. That is your opinion; many people, including myself, disagree with you. |
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Post by imsirius on Dec 12, 2021 2:30:10 GMT
Ontario’s mask mandate does include grocery stores. I find it odd that yours doesn’t enforce it. Was coming to post the same thing. All of the stores here have huge signs that say no entrance without a mask! It's a by- law! I lost an aunt and a friend's mom to Covid. For ANYONE to say " get your mental health checked" for wanting to protect themselves and others is a slap in the face.... not to mention really assholish. 🤬 |
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Post by lizacreates on Dec 12, 2021 3:17:55 GMT
I wrote in an earlier post that the administration felt that companies of over 100 people would more likely have the administrative personnel in place to keep track of who got vaccinated and who didn’t. I don’t blame Biden because if you don’t get vaccinated, then whatever happens to you is your fault. A surprising number of people agree with me. But you do you. I wrote in an earlier post that the administration felt that companies of over 100 people would more likely have the administrative personnel in place to keep track of who got vaccinated and who didn’t. That doesn't do anything to prevent or even explain away the deaths in companies of less than 100. I don’t blame Biden because if you don’t get vaccinated, then whatever happens to you is your fault. A surprising number of people agree with me. But you do you. I do blame Biden for the vaccine mandates. If more people agreed with you we wouldn't HAVE unnecessary mandates. The reality is: caveats put in the mandates by Biden contradict the so called importance of the mandates. I suppose you do have a valid point. If I understand you correctly, if public health emergency is really the basis of a mandate, then why the 3-month gap and why is it not being implemented with consistency across the board especially since civil liberties are implicated? It’s a logical argument. So, leave the decision to do or not to the individual states, schools, employers, etc since the power over public health is devolved to the states. (That’s why we cannot have a national lockdown.) But then I have to ask, what takes precedence in times of health-related emergencies such as this pandemic where saving lives is paramount—a temporary coercion by federal or absolute adherence to state authority? Because despite all efforts to encourage and incentivize people to get jabbed, our fully-vaxxed rate is a worrisome 61%, and I’m convinced that a mandate is what will serve the public’s interests best. If not this, then what? Do we have any other options? Just let it be? Because not all states will issue mandates. What's the solution? |
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Post by pixiechick on Dec 12, 2021 4:14:19 GMT
That doesn't do anything to prevent or even explain away the deaths in companies of less than 100. I do blame Biden for the vaccine mandates. If more people agreed with you we wouldn't HAVE unnecessary mandates.
The reality is: caveats put in the mandates by Biden contradict the so called importance of the mandates.That is your opinion; many people, including myself, disagree with you. Biden set the mandates. That's a fact, not an opinion. If Biden agreed with you that it's on the individual to get vaccinated and so is the consequence of not, he would have stuck to his word and not set mandates. That's a fact, not an opinion. The reality is: caveats put into the mandates by Biden contradict the so called importance of the mandates. That's a fact, not an opinion. |
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Post by pixiechick on Dec 12, 2021 4:15:26 GMT
That doesn't do anything to prevent or even explain away the deaths in companies of less than 100. I do blame Biden for the vaccine mandates. If more people agreed with you we wouldn't HAVE unnecessary mandates. The reality is: caveats put in the mandates by Biden contradict the so called importance of the mandates. I suppose you do have a valid point. If I understand you correctly, if public health emergency is really the basis of a mandate, then why the 3-month gap and why is it not being implemented with consistency across the board especially since civil liberties are implicated? It’s a logical argument. So, leave the decision to do or not to the individual states, schools, employers, etc since the power over public health is devolved to the states. (That’s why we cannot have a national lockdown.) But then I have to ask, what takes precedence in times of health-related emergencies such as this pandemic where saving lives is paramount—a temporary coercion by federal or absolute adherence to state authority? Because despite all efforts to encourage and incentivize people to get jabbed, our fully-vaxxed rate is a worrisome 61%, and I’m convinced that a mandate is what will serve the public’s interests best. If not this, then what? Do we have any other options? Just let it be? Because not all states will issue mandates. What's the solution? But then I have to ask, what takes precedence in times of health-related emergencies such as this pandemic where saving lives is paramount—a temporary coercion by federal or absolute adherence to state authority? Because despite all efforts to encourage and incentivize people to get jabbed, our fully-vaxxed rate is a worrisome 61%, and I’m convinced that a mandate is what will serve the public’s interests best. We are well passed that 61%. We passed 70% a while ago. The only difference is the added categories of children that changed the percentage - it didn't change the "science". If 70% was a good percentage to not need a mandate BEFORE the added categories changed the percentage, we're still at THAT same 70% or beyond. The NEED for a mandate has been artificially created. |
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Post by mamapeaah on Dec 12, 2021 4:36:43 GMT
My daughter confronted one, even though I asked her not to. The lady said "Do you want to know my reason why?"
I spun around and said "No, I don't" and then she asked if I know Jesus. Like literally, this is all the information I need to know.
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Post by lizacreates on Dec 12, 2021 4:50:31 GMT
But then I have to ask, what takes precedence in times of health-related emergencies such as this pandemic where saving lives is paramount—a temporary coercion by federal or absolute adherence to state authority? Because despite all efforts to encourage and incentivize people to get jabbed, our fully-vaxxed rate is a worrisome 61%, and I’m convinced that a mandate is what will serve the public’s interests best. We are well passed that 61%. We passed 70% a while ago. The only difference is the added categories of children that changed the percentage - it didn't change the "science". If 70% was a good percentage to not need a mandate BEFORE the added categories changed the percentage, we're still at THAT same 70% or beyond. The NEED for a mandate has been artificially created. That was 70% of adults with at least one shot in August. I’m talking about fully-vaxxed. And children in approved age groups are part of the population and vaccine count. So it’s 60.9% fully-vaxxed as of Dec 10 which includes the children approved and have gotten it. I just looked at it. |
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 12, 2021 5:15:32 GMT
All I hear from Republicans regarding vaccines are shouts of federal overreach, tyranny, totalitarianism, unconstitutional, personal liberty, body integrity, my body my choice etc. Seriously, if Republican politicians spent as much effort trying to get their base vaccinated, as they do fighting public health measures, we wouldn't be in this situation. What I haven't heard from any Republican is an idea or suggestion, an alternative to mandates for how to get people vaccinated. Waiting for people to decide on their own or waiting for private companies to require vaccination is taking too long. Community transmission is high in almost every part of the country, daily cases are increasing, the virus is mutating and over 1,000 people are dying of covid every day. An estimated 163,000 deaths could have been prevented sine June 2021 with vaccinations. www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us/So where are the Republican plans, strategies etc? There are none. They're too busy passing a mostly symbolic vote to repeal Biden's vaccine mandate after they unsuccessfully tried to defund OSHA. www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/12/08/republicans-vaccine-congress-coronavirus/ |
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Post by pixiechick on Dec 12, 2021 5:20:00 GMT
We are well passed that 61%. We passed 70% a while ago. The only difference is the added categories of children that changed the percentage - it didn't change the "science". If 70% was a good percentage to not need a mandate BEFORE the added categories changed the percentage, we're still at THAT same 70% or beyond. The NEED for a mandate has been artificially created. That was 70% of adults with at least one shot in August. I’m talking about fully-vaxxed. And children in approved age groups are part of the population and vaccine count. So it’s 60.9% fully-vaxxed as of Dec 10 which includes the children approved and have gotten it. I just looked at it. BIDEN'S goal, not yours, was "at least ONE SHOT into 70% of American adults". We did that without a mandate. Biden said he would not impose a mandate. Now we "need" a mandate ONLY because of the added categories of children that changed the percentage - it didn't change the "science". If 70% was a good percentage to not need a mandate BEFORE the added categories changed the percentage, SCIENTIFICALLY we're still at that same 70% needed -or beyond. The NEED for a mandate has been artificially created. |
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 12, 2021 5:38:03 GMT
The vaccine goal changed because the virus changed and because we know more about the virus, not because children were included in the percentage. Delta is more transmissible than the earlier strains. Some experts are no longer talking about herd immunity, they're talking about population immunity. It's science, not some evil plot by the government or Dr Fauci. Changing data, changing science and readjusted policies are also not limited to the United States. Scientists around the world are revising estimates as the virus changes. There's even disagreement among scientists - everything about covid is unprecedented. Science is not always black and white. www.nytimes.com/2021/11/24/world/europe/uk-virus-herd-immunity.html“That’s a bold statement,” said Devi Sridhar, head of the global public health program at the University of Edinburgh. “I don’t think modelers have enough data to assess whether we’ve reached the mythical herd immunity stage. With Covid, it will either be when everyone has had Covid and survived, died of it, or been vaccinated against it.”publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/what-is-herd-immunity-and-how-can-we-achieve-it-with-covid-19www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/health/herd-immunity-covid-coronavirus.htmlIn a telephone interview the next day, Dr. Fauci acknowledged that he had slowly but deliberately been moving the goal posts. He is doing so, he said, partly based on new science, and partly on his gut feeling that the country is finally ready to hear what he really thinks.
Hard as it may be to hear, he said, he believes that it may take close to 90 percent immunity to bring the virus to a halt — almost as much as is needed to stop a measles outbreak.
Asked about Dr. Fauci’s conclusions, prominent epidemiologists said that he might be proven right. The early range of 60 to 70 percent was almost undoubtedly too low, they said, and the virus is becoming more transmissible, so it will take greater herd immunity to stop it.
Dr. Fauci said that weeks ago, he had hesitated to publicly raise his estimate because many Americans seemed hesitant about vaccines, which they would need to accept almost universally in order for the country to achieve herd immunity.
Now that some polls are showing that many more Americans are ready, even eager, for vaccines, he said he felt he could deliver the tough message that the return to normal might take longer than anticipated.
“When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent,” Dr. Fauci said. “Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, ‘I can nudge this up a bit,’ so I went to 80, 85.”
“We need to have some humility here,” he added. “We really don’t know what the real number is. I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent. But, I’m not going to say 90 percent.”
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The original assumption that it would take 60 to 70 percent immunity to stop the disease was based on early data from China and Italy, health experts noted.
It also became clearer later that “superspreader events,” in which one person infects dozens or even hundreds of others, played a large role in spreading Covid-19. Such events, in “normal” populations — in which no one wears masks and everyone attends events like parties, basketball tournaments or Broadway shows — can push the reproduction number upward to 4, 5 or even 6, experts said. Consequently, those scenarios call for higher herd immunity; for example, at an R0 of 5, more than four out of five people, or 80 percent, must be immune to slow down the virus.
Further complicating matters, there is a growing consensus among scientists that the virus itself is becoming more transmissible.
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Post by lizacreates on Dec 12, 2021 5:39:35 GMT
That was 70% of adults with at least one shot in August. I’m talking about fully-vaxxed. And children in approved age groups are part of the population and vaccine count. So it’s 60.9% fully-vaxxed as of Dec 10 which includes the children approved and have gotten it. I just looked at it. BIDEN'S goal, not yours, was "at least ONE SHOT into 70% of American adults". We did that without a mandate. Biden said he would not impose a mandate. Now we "need" a mandate ONLY because of the added categories of children that changed the percentage - it didn't change the "science". If 70% was a good percentage to not need a mandate BEFORE the added categories changed the percentage, SCIENTIFICALLY we're still at that same 70% needed -or beyond. The NEED for a mandate has been artificially created. I’m not talking about my goal or anyone’s goal, so I don’t know what you’re even referring to. And Biden artificially created the need for a mandate? For what purpose? Just to be a jerk? It never occurred to you that perhaps the 80 million or so who haven’t been vaxxed at all may have contributed to the decision? What would you have him do? Ignore this? Do you have better alternatives instead of just raging against him? |
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 12, 2021 5:58:45 GMT
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Post by pixiechick on Dec 12, 2021 6:21:12 GMT
I’m not talking about my goal or anyone’s goal, so I don’t know what you’re even referring to. That was in response to you saying "That was 70% of adults with at least one shot in August. I’m talking about fully-vaxxed. And children in approved age groups are part of the population and vaccine count." And Biden artificially created the need for a mandate? For what purpose? I don't know what the purpose is, but it's clearly not "following the science". It never occurred to you that perhaps the 80 million or so who haven’t been vaxxed at all may have contributed to the decision? It did occur to me that if that was the case he would have mandated it before when we had even less vaccinated. But even then he said he would not do that. What would you have him do? Ignore this? Do you have better alternatives instead of just raging against him? Oh, I don't know... keep his word? follow the science....? I'm not raging, I'm just commenting on it. |
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Post by lizacreates on Dec 12, 2021 6:54:16 GMT
I’m not talking about my goal or anyone’s goal, so I don’t know what you’re even referring to. That was in response to you saying "That was 70% of adults with at least one shot in August. I’m talking about fully-vaxxed. And children in approved age groups are part of the population and vaccine count." And Biden artificially created the need for a mandate? For what purpose? I don't know what the purpose is, but it's clearly not "following the science". It never occurred to you that perhaps the 80 million or so who haven’t been vaxxed at all may have contributed to the decision? It did occur to me that if that was the case he would have mandated it before when we had even less vaccinated. But even then he said he would not do that. What would you have him do? Ignore this? Do you have better alternatives instead of just raging against him? Oh, I don't know... keep his word? follow the science....? I'm not raging, I'm just commenting on it. Providing current data has nothing to do with my goals. So “not yours” is a mistaken interpretation by you. And if Biden is not following the science, then what is he following? Yes, he did say he wouldn’t impose a mandate, but he also said he instead wanted to “encourage people to do the right thing.” Since encouraging and incentivizing have proven ineffective for 80 million or so people, then he imposed a mandate. I’d rather have a president who can adapt to changing circumstances and alter his prior decision so he can serve public interest and save lives. That's infinitely better than have one who is absolutely wedded to a notion even when a situation demands a different action. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 12, 2021 10:20:20 GMT
That is your opinion; many people, including myself, disagree with you. Biden set the mandates. That's a fact, not an opinion. If Biden agreed with you that it's on the individual to get vaccinated and so is the consequence of not, he would have stuck to his word and not set mandates. That's a fact, not an opinion. The reality is: caveats put into the mandates by Biden contradict the so called importance of the mandates. That's a fact, not an opinion. The opinion part is not that Biden set the mandates-he did. You think that they were wrong; that is an opinion. This has now veered sharply into hair-splitting absurdity. I’ll make it simple; your opinion is that vaccine mandates are bad, and my opinion is that they were necessary. |
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Post by peasapie on Dec 12, 2021 12:53:10 GMT
I feel like we are living in completely different worlds sometimes. No one wears masks here. No mask mandates. No one asks about your vax status. No showing your papers anywhere. I saw Hamilton last week with 4,000 of my closest friends. No showing anything to get in. I only even think about Covid when I read threads on here. And you know what? It’s fine. I haven’t gotten it. I don’t know anyone who’s had a serious case of it or had lasting effects from it or has died. It’s lovely to not be afraid all the time 🤷🏻♀️ Why do your posts so often smell like sanctimonious bullshit? |
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Post by amom23 on Dec 12, 2021 14:05:32 GMT
My sister works for the Philips Company (think razors and so on) and she just told me all employees in the US and Canada have to provide proof of vaccination by Feb. 1st or will be automatically terminated. My sister and her family are fully vaccinated, but she is pretty sure she has co-workers who are not. She of course is all in favor of the mandate. She and I agree that employers mandating vaccinations is a huge help in getting the unvaccinated vaccinated.
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Post by Skellinton on Dec 12, 2021 15:26:16 GMT
I feel like we are living in completely different worlds sometimes. No one wears masks here. No mask mandates. No one asks about your vax status. No showing your papers anywhere. I saw Hamilton last week with 4,000 of my closest friends. No showing anything to get in. I only even think about Covid when I read threads on here. And you know what? It’s fine. I haven’t gotten it. I don’t know anyone who’s had a serious case of it or had lasting effects from it or has died. It’s lovely to not be afraid all the time 🤷🏻♀️ Why do your posts so often smell like sanctimonious bullshit? That first sentence of her post sums up everything. She is living in a completely different world then the rest of us. One where only her family matters, the rest of the population be damned. She doesn’t know anyone who had a serious case or lasting effects or died so it isn’t a big deal. Those pesky 796,000 Americans who have died are of no consequence to her. |
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Post by sassyangel on Dec 12, 2021 19:23:19 GMT
I feel like we are living in completely different worlds sometimes. No one wears masks here. No mask mandates. No one asks about your vax status. No showing your papers anywhere. I saw Hamilton last week with 4,000 of my closest friends. No showing anything to get in. I only even think about Covid when I read threads on here. And you know what? It’s fine. I haven’t gotten it. I don’t know anyone who’s had a serious case of it or had lasting effects from it or has died. It’s lovely to not be afraid all the time 🤷🏻♀️ Why do your posts so often smell like sanctimonious bullshit? Because they are. 😒 Either that or they’re smugly superior and full of condescension. Take your pick. |
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Post by sassyangel on Dec 12, 2021 19:33:08 GMT
My sister works for the Philips Company (think razors and so on) and she just told me all employees in the US and Canada have to provide proof of vaccination by Feb. 1st or will be automatically terminated. My sister and her family are fully vaccinated, but she is pretty sure she has co-workers who are not. She of course is all in favor of the mandate. She and I agree that employers mandating vaccinations is a huge help in getting the unvaccinated vaccinated. It *was* a huge help until states like ours, started kneecapping businesses having mandates. My company (of 300,000 US employees) requires all employees to be vaccinated by March 31st. Regardless of if you are work at home. On Friday am an email came out saying it was would not be currently required for ND employees because our state legislature is fighting the mandates. |
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Post by amom23 on Dec 12, 2021 22:55:15 GMT
My sister works for the Philips Company (think razors and so on) and she just told me all employees in the US and Canada have to provide proof of vaccination by Feb. 1st or will be automatically terminated. My sister and her family are fully vaccinated, but she is pretty sure she has co-workers who are not. She of course is all in favor of the mandate. She and I agree that employers mandating vaccinations is a huge help in getting the unvaccinated vaccinated. It *was* a huge help until states like ours, started kneecapping businesses having mandates. My company (of 300,000 US employees) requires all employees to be vaccinated by March 31st. Regardless of if you are work at home. On Friday am an email came out saying it was would not be currently required for ND employees because our state legislature is fighting the mandates. My sister lives in Seattle so there's that. Here in ND the state would rather continue to see people die vs doing anything proactive. |
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Post by PLurker on Dec 12, 2021 23:45:25 GMT
I just fail to see that requiring masks is batshit crazy. Kindergarten kids are handling masking better than many adults. I never said masks were batshit crazy. I even said I wear them when I have to and don’t throw a fit about it, so I’m not sure what you’re responding to. I do think that if you react to an unmasked person with the amount of anxiety the OP seems to have, then you need mental health help. Or maybe, possibly it's just the other way around. |
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Post by PLurker on Dec 13, 2021 0:02:59 GMT
I get mean looks for wearing it. But I don't care Not long ago, someone made a snide comment to me about wearing a mask. It's not required where I live, but I've been wearing one in stores anyway. People can say all they want that they don't work, or whatever, but I have not been sick with even a cold since February 2020. I wore a mask all last winter. I always end up with a couple of colds, even bronchitis, every winter. Nothing since I started wearing a mask. My mask wearing harms NO one. I was in line in the grocery store, and some old dude behind me said "people like you are what keep everyone afraid. Turn off the fake news and take off your mask." I started to just ignore him, but I finally turned around and said, "Why do you care if I am wearing a mask? How does a mask on my face impact YOU??" He didn't respond. At one point me and my kids were about the only ones wearing masks at an outdoor only ice cream place. I hear the mumblings, gigglings, comments etc about obviously how stupid we are. Out loud, to myself but for them to more than likely hear I made the comment that "I'll have to tell my transplant team that wearing a mask is unnecessary according to popular opinion of randos" or something like that. The audible acknowledgement of "oh!" the nods and smiles of 'we get it now, you are excused, have an excuse and should be wearing a mask was immediate and ridiculous. Like fuq off, idiots. It just shows how dumb you are if you believe masks are only good for me and People like me. Hell, you and anyone could be one of the "people like me" but just don't know it yet. Being undiagnised isn't the same as being healthy. It's just (ironically) obliviousness. |
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Post by sassyangel on Dec 13, 2021 0:29:35 GMT
It *was* a huge help until states like ours, started kneecapping businesses having mandates. My company (of 300,000 US employees) requires all employees to be vaccinated by March 31st. Regardless of if you are work at home. On Friday am an email came out saying it was would not be currently required for ND employees because our state legislature is fighting the mandates. My sister lives in Seattle so there's that. Here in ND the state would rather continue to see people die vs doing anything proactive. I know. I was livid. The states that would most benefit from these mandates are the ones pulling this crap. My team has people from varying states. Except for me, our vaxx status falls exactly along red state/blue state lines. |
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