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Post by kate on May 23, 2024 21:47:06 GMT
Wishing you calm confidence during, and peace after.
You are amazing.
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Ryann
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Post by Ryann on May 23, 2024 23:16:10 GMT
The amount of drama you've had to deal with from just this one person is insane. I hope a new opportunity works out for you soon.
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Post by gizzy on May 23, 2024 23:41:20 GMT
I hope the talk with your counselor before the meeting leaves you calm, cool and collected.
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Post by purplebee on May 24, 2024 1:27:49 GMT
Hoping the meeting went well for you, and that you got some support from the boss. You are handling this a whole lot more calmly and rationally than I would. I wish I had your composure!
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Post by teddyw on May 24, 2024 2:45:09 GMT
I hope he did the right thing today.
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Post by Darcy Collins on May 24, 2024 4:17:59 GMT
Just popping in to see how things went. Hope you find a new opportunity soon!
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Post by 3boysnme on May 24, 2024 10:52:04 GMT
Thinking and praying for a positive outcome for today's meeting. Sounds like he has had enough of her bs and wants a face to face meeting with her. I dont agree.. i think he is going to side with the slacker... he said in a post upthread that he didn't think any of this was as bad as jeremysgirl is making it out to be... just "miscommunication"... so he is going to point out that Jeremysgirl is just taking this all wrong... and slacker is a helping partner... I do NOT think this boss has her back... she is the squeaky wheel... so instead of getting grease... shes gonna get blamed.... Some other pea pointed out that once you become a problem you get eliminated... I DO NOT FOR 1 SECOND BELIEVE JEREMYSGIRL IS THE PROBLEM!!!! please do not think i am saying that.... but the boss and the hr people and the upper management... i will admit im worried... Oh crap, you may be right. She said she'll be back to update after the meeting and she hasn't yet. She needs to leave. I hope she gets an offer from another company soon.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 24, 2024 11:36:25 GMT
Good morning. Sorry I did not update last night. My meeting ran from 2-4:30 pm (it was supposed to end at 3) and then I needed to get over to my mom's for family dinner last night. I was pretty wiped out and I stayed late after everyone left so I could talk with my mom.
But she came into the room talking about other business so we spent the good majority of the meeting talking about other issues and she went off tangent multiple times so I was glad she can't focus and did not seem to understand at all what the meeting was supposed to be about. When he finally got to speak he said he wanted to know if we could work together to add consistency to our processes especially as it applies to our work with our offices. Then he asked me what I think. I told him I thought we could work on that this summer. We recently swapped two offices and our practices differ substantially I have found. She was agreeable to working together to put together some best practices. We were good there.
Then he asked me directly if I thought there was anything else that we could do to improve office practices. I felt very put on the spot. So I kept it very general. I told him I think our biggest weakness as a team is communication. And that it was important to me that we have quality, careful communication between the four of us. And I also said that I was always available for calls if it was something of a sensitive nature that would be better discussed where I can read tone and body language. Plus, sometimes things that take ten emails to clarify can be solved by one call. I left it at that. She agreed.
And then she said that she would be open to more equity in assignments. She stated that prior to me they rotated projects and reports. She prefers this system rather than trying to collaborate. (I don't want to have to collaborate with her as she is unreliable.) And I enthusiastically said I'd prefer that we rotate. (I left off the part where in order to rotate she must actually be willing to do work.)
She went off tangent into other business which he felt compelled to discuss. So I joined in and let it flow.
Then when he got the reigns back, he looked at me and asked me if there was anything else I wanted to say about the workings of our office. I just simply repeated that I will do my part to work on better communication and left it at that. He seemed really not happy with my answer. I was really not happy with him either. Because I felt like he specifically put me on the spot to bring up all the issues in our office. I did not do that. I was not going to do that. I don't know what he was thinking. He clearly did not come in with much of an agenda. He didn't say but two sentences about anything going on in our office. So I was certainly not going to say anything controversial or bring up anything of substance either. The assistant director said absolutely nothing about any of this. So that was it.
I walked away incredibly disappointed in him. (not surprised) But I felt like the whole meeting was baiting me to bring up all these issues in front of her and I was not about to do that. It was my expectation going in that he was going to bring up all these things and put her and me on the defensive. That's where my anxiety about the whole thing was coming from. I don't do well in an argument or when my emotions are running high. But nothing like that happened at all.
I spoke with my BIL at dinner last night. My family has had some information about what has been going on. I gave him some of the latest information and then I asked him (he is a high level manager at a small IT network company) what he thought of the situation. His response was that never in a million years would he have brought two employees together knowing that at least one of them was incredibly frustrated with the other to fight it out with him being the referee. That's exactly how he saw that situation. His assessment of the situation jived with mine. I'll talk again with that counselor today as a follow up to the meeting.
Now, I'll go backward and read all your comments. Sorry for the delay. But nothing exciting happened or got resolved.
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3boysnme
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Post by 3boysnme on May 24, 2024 11:48:08 GMT
Well, as we already know, your boss sucks. He has no backbone, and has no business being in the position he is in. I agree with your BIL. And to allow her to run off into tangents that had nothing to do with this meeting, really shows he has no backbone. It sounds like he is a bit intimidated with her. I don't think you will ever get the collaboration you are seeking from her or him. Just keep putting in your resume at other companies, whether or not they are hiring. Hopefully something will pan out. Keep your level of calm and just do the work you are assigned. No more, no less. We are all thinking of you and praying something comes up so you can leave that place. Good luck!
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 24, 2024 11:48:47 GMT
I hope that they don't think that they need to find a way to get you to shake hands and be buddies w/your very flaky and inept colleague. I think this is the resolution he was hoping for. I think he wanted us to err our grievances, work out our own problems and then sing Kumbaya. Sounds like he has had enough of her bs and wants a face to face meeting with her. I wish. I hope your vacation was wonderful!! It was! We camped in Kentucky and explored all the caves. Pretty cool. Anyone want to place odds on co-worker actually showing up? What was crazy is that technically we are supposed to work in the office 2 days a week. She has not come into the office in 4 years. I normally go Mondays and Wednesdays. But I switched my Wednesday to Thursday. I worked in the office all day yesterday. She did not attend the most important meeting of our week (which was right before) so she could travel to the office *just* for this meeting. Even with an in-person meeting scheduled and an important one right before it, she could not show up in the office to work for a day. I do NOT think this boss has her back... she is the squeaky wheel... so instead of getting grease... shes gonna get blamed.... I haven't thought the boss had my back in a very long while. I'll just keep on, keeping on. Until I find something else. What kills me that I get *nothing* but kudos from everyone around me. I have worked in here for 7 years and I have never once had anyone complain about me. I can't think of anyone who treats me with anything but kindness and respect. Even yesterday, I had my first meeting with an office I just took over from her (she took one of mine) and the assistant director attended my meeting with them. They had nothing but good things to say about how I conducted our meeting and put together their financials. I made a lot of changes and they were happy with all of the ways I changed things up. And she was running a whole month behind on data in her meetings with them. So she wasn't even current. My assistant director heard all of this yesterday. And I know he said something to the director and that's exactly where the "streamlining processes" argument came from. Because they didn't realize until yesterday morning just how differently we operate. The meeting went so well, that one of the managers sent me an email following the meeting telling me how much he appreciated my approach to things. This is the kind of working relationships I have with everyone.
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Post by originalvanillabean on May 24, 2024 11:51:46 GMT
Sigh. Good job for the way you handled it! Very professional and I'm sorry it's been so terrible for you.
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Post by mich5481 on May 24, 2024 12:39:32 GMT
I know you are nonconfrontal by nature, but I think you missed an opportunity to air your frustrations. In the future, it may help to have written out specific instances where your coworker has caused problems and the way it's impacted your work. How missed deadlines and messed up shared files have been an issue, how you couldn't enjoy your time off without calls about reports, etc.
I'm afraid your boss may tell higher ups that he gave you the opportunity to fix the problem, but it really must not bug you that much, since you didn't have any additional suggestions for improvement. I'd reach out to your person in HR, in writing, TODAY, to put it on the record that the meeting was chaotic, without an apparent agenda, and why you responded the way you did.
I'd also consider emailing everyone in the meeting, along with copying the HR person, recapping the meeting and the proposed changes. I'd also add something like, upon further reflection after our meeting, I'd like to add additional input x, y, and z.
You can't control that she doesn't come into the office in person. That could be an ADA accommodation she has worked out. If it bugs you that much that she doesn't come in, suggest that you'd like to have weekly in person team meetings to facilitate better communication and team cohesiveness as you work to create standard procedures. That would at least force her into the office for one portion of the day.
Since you said that the new department was very receptive to your ideas, maybe suggest creating a survey of the departments your team works with to see what helps them the most and what has/hasn't worked well in the past. That may provide valuable insights AND save you from the coworker complaining that you are steamrolling her.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 24, 2024 13:16:39 GMT
I know you are nonconfrontal by nature, but I think you missed an opportunity to air your frustrations. In the future, it may help to have written out specific instances where your coworker has caused problems and the way it's impacted your work. How missed deadlines and messed up shared files have been an issue, how you couldn't enjoy your time off without calls about reports, etc. I'm afraid your boss may tell higher ups that he gave you the opportunity to fix the problem, but it really must not bug you that much, since you didn't have any additional suggestions for improvement. I'd reach out to your person in HR, in writing, TODAY, to put it on the record that the meeting was chaotic, without an apparent agenda, and why you responded the way you did. I'd also consider emailing everyone in the meeting, along with copying the HR person, recapping the meeting and the proposed changes. I'd also add something like, upon further reflection after our meeting, I'd like to add additional input x, y, and z. You can't control that she doesn't come into the office in person. That could be an ADA accommodation she has worked out. If it bugs you that much that she doesn't come in, suggest that you'd like to have weekly in person team meetings to facilitate better communication and team cohesiveness as you work to create standard procedures. That would at least force her into the office for one portion of the day. Since you said that the new department was very receptive to your ideas, maybe suggest creating a survey of the departments your team works with to see what helps them the most and what has/hasn't worked well in the past. That may provide valuable insights AND save you from the coworker complaining that you are steamrolling her. I appreciate your feedback, but I feel like you have picked on the way I have handled everything in this scenario from the very beginning. I know I haven't made perfect decisions and I'm sure I didn't formulate perfect responses. Sometimes I've been quite angry about what is happening. And God knows, I've shown clearly just how damn frustrated I am with this situation to him and the assistant director. I have not been diplomatic on a number of occasions with them. But I believe wholeheartedly that he should have come in with an agenda. He should have had topic after topic that he should have brought up and laid out his expectations and observations and then asked for our examples and feedback. No way was I going in there with a list of complaints and laying them out on the table for everyone to get defensive and then pick me apart. He is the boss. It was his responsibility to speak up and when she said she wanted to rotate assignments that 1) workloads have been uneven and he thought this was a good idea to maximize fairness. 2) He was going to get on board with this and he would step up if need be to ensure that *he* gave out assignments in an equitable way. On every topic that I (and maybe her) have brought to him privately he should have touched on and laid out his expectations. What I probably should have done is stuck to the tactic I have in the past with him and flatly stated: what are your expectations? He did not do his job. He has not done his job this whole way through. I stand by that. I have not behaved perfectly but he had a responsibility here. I'm sorry, I don't believe for a second that I should have aired any of my grievances. I do not believe I should have taken the lead in that meeting at all. I'll just tell you that I feel like he set me up and I'm incredibly irritated about that. I won't be saying anything from here on forward. And I'll be getting the hell out as soon as I possibly can. This week I even applied for a job where I am overqualified and will take a pay cut because I'm so determined to get away from this situation. I am reviewing this meeting today with the counselor. I am specifically going to ask her if I should bother to follow up with him or the assistant director on any of it. But after that yesterday, I'm feeling like saying anything at all will be an absolute waste of my breath and just continue the squeaky wheel persona. I was hanging in there as best I could. I hung on because this position was perfect mix of my education and experience. I was uniquely qualified for this position and I was excited about this career move. I felt a sense of unfairness for a very long time that it was looking like I was going to have to leave a job that should have been perfect (on its face) for me. I feel like I did my best to fight for it. This kept me holding onto a strand of hope for a very long time that things might change and I'd be able to in good conscience stay. This is like a bad marriage. Where the wife fights for it for a very long while. And then there is a turning point where she realizes it's hopeless. And then has nothing but apathy for her husband while she works out plans to leave. After that meeting yesterday, I'm done. That was the climax for me. I'm checked out now. I'll keep doing my work. But that's as far as I'll go. They can work out the rest.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 24, 2024 13:40:48 GMT
I appreciate your feedback, but I feel like you have picked on the way I have handled everything in this scenario from the very beginning. I know I haven't made perfect decisions and I'm sure I didn't formulate perfect responses. Sometimes I've been quite angry about what is happening. And God knows, I've shown clearly just how damn frustrated I am with this situation to him and the assistant director. I have not been diplomatic on a number of occasions with them. But I believe wholeheartedly that he should have come in with an agenda. He should have had topic after topic that he should have brought up and laid out his expectations and observations and then asked for our examples and feedback. No way was I going in there with a list of complaints and laying them out on the table for everyone to get defensive and then pick me apart. He is the boss. It was his responsibility to speak up and when she said she wanted to rotate assignments that 1) workloads have been uneven and he thought this was a good idea to maximize fairness. 2) He was going to get on board with this and he would step up if need be to ensure that *he* gave out assignments in an equitable way. On every topic that I (and maybe her) have brought to him privately he should have touched on and laid out his expectations. What I probably should have done is stuck to the tactic I have in the past with him and flatly stated: what are your expectations? He did not do his job. He has not done his job this whole way through. I stand by that. I have not behaved perfectly but he had a responsibility here. I'm sorry, I don't believe for a second that I should have aired any of my grievances. I do not believe I should have taken the lead in that meeting at all. I'll just tell you that I feel like he set me up and I'm incredibly irritated about that. I won't be saying anything from here on forward. And I'll be getting the hell out as soon as I possibly can. This week I even applied for a job where I am overqualified and will take a pay cut because I'm so determined to get away from this situation. I am reviewing this meeting today with the counselor. I am specifically going to ask her if I should bother to follow up with him or the assistant director on any of it. But after that yesterday, I'm feeling like saying anything at all will be an absolute waste of my breath and just continue the squeaky wheel persona. I was hanging in there as best I could. I hung on because this position was perfect mix of my education and experience. I was uniquely qualified for this position and I was excited about this career move. I felt a sense of unfairness for a very long time that it was looking like I was going to have to leave a job that should have been perfect (on its face) for me. I feel like I did my best to fight for it. This kept me holding onto a strand of hope for a very long time that things might change and I'd be able to in good conscience stay. This is like a bad marriage. Where the wife fights for it for a very long while. And then there is a turning point where she realizes it's hopeless. And then has nothing but apathy for her husband while she works out plans to leave. After that meeting yesterday, I'm done. That was the climax for me. I'm checked out now. I'll keep doing my work. But that's as far as I'll go. They can work out the rest. I want to say that I agree with you 100%. He absolutely should have had an ironclad agenda with a laundry list of bullet points that he should have stuck to and he failed miserably to take the reins and lead. A good manager knows how to finesse these things and he completely and utterly FAILED. It was his job to keep her on task, not only for this meeting but for all of her job performance all along and he has consistently dropped the ball on his job by allowing her to continually drop the ball with hers. I don’t blame you one bit for throwing in the towel. Not one bit. You have put up with far too much of this nonsense for far too long, much longer than I would have had the patience for myself, and I truly commend you for having that kind of perseverance. It’s sad that what should have been the perfect fit for your skills, education and experience just isn’t. I’ll be right at the front of the line cheering for you when you come back in here someday soon saying you’ve landed a new job and can finally say goodbye to the hellscape you’ve been working in. My wish is that it comes along sooner than later.
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mich5481
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Post by mich5481 on May 24, 2024 13:41:31 GMT
I know you are nonconfrontal by nature, but I think you missed an opportunity to air your frustrations. In the future, it may help to have written out specific instances where your coworker has caused problems and the way it's impacted your work. How missed deadlines and messed up shared files have been an issue, how you couldn't enjoy your time off without calls about reports, etc. I'm afraid your boss may tell higher ups that he gave you the opportunity to fix the problem, but it really must not bug you that much, since you didn't have any additional suggestions for improvement. I'd reach out to your person in HR, in writing, TODAY, to put it on the record that the meeting was chaotic, without an apparent agenda, and why you responded the way you did. I'd also consider emailing everyone in the meeting, along with copying the HR person, recapping the meeting and the proposed changes. I'd also add something like, upon further reflection after our meeting, I'd like to add additional input x, y, and z. You can't control that she doesn't come into the office in person. That could be an ADA accommodation she has worked out. If it bugs you that much that she doesn't come in, suggest that you'd like to have weekly in person team meetings to facilitate better communication and team cohesiveness as you work to create standard procedures. That would at least force her into the office for one portion of the day. Since you said that the new department was very receptive to your ideas, maybe suggest creating a survey of the departments your team works with to see what helps them the most and what has/hasn't worked well in the past. That may provide valuable insights AND save you from the coworker complaining that you are steamrolling her. I appreciate your feedback, but I feel like you have picked on the way I have handled everything in this scenario from the very beginning. I know I haven't made perfect decisions and I'm sure I didn't formulate perfect responses. Sometimes I've been quite angry about what is happening. And God knows, I've shown clearly just how damn frustrated I am with this situation to him and the assistant director. I have not been diplomatic on a number of occasions with them. But I believe wholeheartedly that he should have come in with an agenda. He should have had topic after topic that he should have brought up and laid out his expectations and observations and then asked for our examples and feedback. No way was I going in there with a list of complaints and laying them out on the table for everyone to get defensive and then pick me apart. He is the boss. It was his responsibility to speak up and when she said she wanted to rotate assignments that 1) workloads have been uneven and he thought this was a good idea to maximize fairness. 2) He was going to get on board with this and he would step up if need be to ensure that *he* gave out assignments in an equitable way. On every topic that I (and maybe her) have brought to him privately he should have touched on and laid out his expectations. What I probably should have done is stuck to the tactic I have in the past with him and flatly stated: what are your expectations? He did not do his job. He has not done his job this whole way through. I stand by that. I have not behaved perfectly but he had a responsibility here. I'm sorry, I don't believe for a second that I should have aired any of my grievances. I do not believe I should have taken the lead in that meeting at all. I'll just tell you that I feel like he set me up and I'm incredibly irritated about that. I won't be saying anything from here on forward. And I'll be getting the hell out as soon as I possibly can. This week I even applied for a job where I am overqualified and will take a pay cut because I'm so determined to get away from this situation. I am reviewing this meeting today with the counselor. I am specifically going to ask her if I should bother to follow up with him or the assistant director on any of it. But after that yesterday, I'm feeling like saying anything at all will be an absolute waste of my breath and just continue the squeaky wheel persona. I was hanging in there as best I could. I hung on because this position was perfect mix of my education and experience. I was uniquely qualified for this position and I was excited about this career move. I felt a sense of unfairness for a very long time that it was looking like I was going to have to leave a job that should have been perfect (on its face) for me. I feel like I did my best to fight for it. This kept me holding onto a strand of hope for a very long time that things might change and I'd be able to in good conscience stay. This is like a bad marriage. Where the wife fights for it for a very long while. And then there is a turning point where she realizes it's hopeless. And then has nothing but apathy for her husband while she works out plans to leave. After that meeting yesterday, I'm done. That was the climax for me. I'm checked out now. I'll keep doing my work. But that's as far as I'll go. They can work out the rest. My intent was not to "pick on you," but to offer a different perspective. I'm genuinely curious as to why you thought this meeting would go differently then it did. What indication did your boss give that he would run the meeting with purpose and an agenda? That hasn't been his MO. He won't change. Maybe he would have offered an agenda if you had asked for one. Maybe when your coworker went off on tangents, you could have said, that's an important/interesting idea/thought/concern, but it doesn't relate to the purpose of this meeting - let's put it in the "parking lot" (lol, I despise that bit of corporate jargon!), and return to the focus of THIS meeting. I know you don't want to do all of this, but you know your boss is incompetent, so if you want things to change, you need to be the one to change them. And, yes, he did set you up, and you fell for it. Based on your earlier post this month, he seemed to think the problems were resolved, and clearly you did not agree. He only held this meeting because you were unhappy. We've all had jobs that seem perfect on the face of it, but were nightmares. More people leave bad managers than they leave bad positions, and that is where you are at. I continue to wish you luck in your job search, but try to use this as opportunity to advocate more for yourself.
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Post by quinlove on May 24, 2024 13:47:00 GMT
((( jeremysgirl ))) Given everything that has transpired in your office, checking out emotionally is the healthiest thing that you can do for yourself. Lord knows that you have gone way over what is expected of you and to no avail. It will work out for you, I promise. In the meantime, protect yourself the best that you can. They apparently don’t know it, but we all do - you rock. ❤️
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Post by gillyp on May 24, 2024 13:50:13 GMT
Your boss is useless at people management. I completely agree with you and your BIL that he was expecting a meeting with you as the aggressor and him as the referee. You did well not to rise to that bait. Depending on how I felt about it I would be considering emailing him, his manager and HR with how that appeared to be the case and how uncomfortable you felt. Or I’d be emailing him and the colleague with my summation of the meeting and ask them to confirm that’s what had been agreed.
Your boss is also useless at time management. To allow a meeting to run over by 1.5 hours is appalling.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 24, 2024 13:58:05 GMT
I'm genuinely curious as to why you thought this meeting would go differently then it did. I didn't. I was nervous about HER attacking. And that is what I sought counsel on. She did not. What indication did your boss give that he would run the meeting with purpose and an agenda? That hasn't been his MO. He won't change. Again, I did not. I expected a shitshow. This is why I sought counsel before the meeting. I wanted to be prepared. Maybe when your coworker went off on tangents, you could have said, that's an important/interesting idea/thought/concern, but it doesn't relate to the purpose of this meeting - let's put it in the "parking lot" (lol, I despise that bit of corporate jargon!), and return to the focus of THIS meeting. I do not believe this was my place. Again, I disagree with you on who's responsibility it was to keep the meeting on target. It was his responsibility to do this. I know you don't want to do all of this, but you know your boss is incompetent, so if you want things to change, you need to be the one to change them. I believe I have done all I can to change things. I went to the counselor so I could learn to cope with this situation until I can get out. I just told you I'm apathetic. I'm not interested in fighting for this job. I'm no longer interested in changing anything. I just don't want her to treat me with disrespect in an email with a bunch of other people who I have a relationship with and would give me a reference. I'm not changing any of their minds about me or how this office is going to be run. I just want some dignity until I can leave. And the counselor was helping me walk through this. I've been treading this water for the past two months. After yesterday, I'm 100% sure.
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mich5481
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Post by mich5481 on May 24, 2024 14:09:17 GMT
I'm genuinely curious as to why you thought this meeting would go differently then it did. I didn't. I was nervous about HER attacking. And that is what I sought counsel on. She did not. What indication did your boss give that he would run the meeting with purpose and an agenda? That hasn't been his MO. He won't change. Again, I did not. I expected a shitshow. This is why I sought counsel before the meeting. I wanted to be prepared. Maybe when your coworker went off on tangents, you could have said, that's an important/interesting idea/thought/concern, but it doesn't relate to the purpose of this meeting - let's put it in the "parking lot" (lol, I despise that bit of corporate jargon!), and return to the focus of THIS meeting. I do not believe this was my place. Again, I disagree with you on who's responsibility it was to keep the meeting on target. It was his responsibility to do this. I know you don't want to do all of this, but you know your boss is incompetent, so if you want things to change, you need to be the one to change them. I believe I have done all I can to change things. I went to the counselor so I could learn to cope with this situation until I can get out. I just told you I'm apathetic. I'm not interested in fighting for this job. I'm no longer interested in changing anything. I just don't want her to treat me with disrespect in an email with a bunch of other people who I have a relationship with and would give me a reference. I'm not changing any of their minds about me or how this office is going to be run. I just want some dignity until I can leave. And the counselor was helping me walk through this. I've been treading this water for the past two months. After yesterday, I'm 100% sure. I agree that it is the responsibility of your boss to lead, but he is incompetent. My interpretation of your meeting recap was you were frustrated by the lack of agenda/focus for the meeting, so I was offering different ways that could have alleviated your frustration. As far as the references go, the people you've worked with that you've built a rapport with are most likely not going to be influenced by your coworker's antics. They know you and your work, and they probably know her and her work. Again, good luck with the job search.
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Post by wellway on May 24, 2024 14:11:59 GMT
I hope you get a wonderful new job. You deserve it.
I am shaking my head at the lack of management skills your boss is displaying. When you leave he is in for a rude awakening.
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Post by bethany102399 on May 24, 2024 14:52:53 GMT
But I believe wholeheartedly that he should have come in with an agenda. He should have had topic after topic that he should have brought up and laid out his expectations and observations and then asked for our examples and feedback. No way was I going in there with a list of complaints and laying them out on the table for everyone to get defensive and then pick me apart. He is the boss. It was his responsibility to speak up and when she said she wanted to rotate assignments that 1) workloads have been uneven and he thought this was a good idea to maximize fairness. 2) He was going to get on board with this and he would step up if need be to ensure that *he* gave out assignments in an equitable way. On every topic that I (and maybe her) have brought to him privately he should have touched on and laid out his expectations. What I probably should have done is stuck to the tactic I have in the past with him and flatly stated: what are your expectations? He did not do his job. He has not done his job this whole way through. I stand by that. I have not behaved perfectly but he had a responsibility here. I was coming back to say I disagreed with the person you responded to but you did so with class. I totally agree with this statement and you said it better than I ever could.
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Post by Lexica on May 24, 2024 14:59:42 GMT
I am not at all surprised that your meeting wasn’t as productive as it should have been. I don’t think he has any idea how to properly perform in his position. He certainly hasn’t shown any ability thus far, so I wasn’t anticipating any great change in him. He seems to want to look the other way and hope that things get handled on their own.
I think you were very professional in the meeting and I am proud of you for not letting him bait you into an open quarrel with your coworker. I don’t anticipate any resolution to this unless your manager is replaced with someone with better experience. I would keep sending out my resume if I were in your situation.
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Post by bethany102399 on May 24, 2024 15:01:31 GMT
I'll just tell you that I feel like he set me up and I'm incredibly irritated about that. Because he did set you up. You however, didn't fall for it and now he gets to say well we had a meeting… she didn't air her grievances. it's a circular thing and he won't ever see how it's HIS responsibility to address your grievances, and just blame you for not airing them. To be clear I DO NOT feel in any way, shape or form that it's your responsibility to air them it is most certainly his. But in HIS mind, he put you two in a room and nothing happened, therefore he did his job. It's part of why he's incompetent. I've seen more than one manager be incompetent and not understand why good people leave. It takes the whole company down, yet everyone seems clueless. Or others see it and keep their opinions private as that's just the way it is. At this point the only thing you can do is walk away with your head held high knowing YOUR work is good and others see that. I'm sorry, it sucks when you love what you do, but not who you do it for. I did that for almost 20 years before being pushed out the door and basically told those last 20 years mean nothing. Its taken me months of working through my own BS to see how much I put up with and what my own worth is in finding my next gig. I hope you're able to find something soon and that will work for your highest and best needs.
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Post by scrapmaven on May 24, 2024 15:29:36 GMT
Well, your boss certainly doesn't have a spine. Did he want you to be his voice box? He put you both in the ring to fight it out. Had you said anything about her work behavior, she would have either gone on the defensive and started attacking you or she would have burst into tears or both.
Your clueless boss thinks that you both have come to a good agreement and work life will be harmonious now. Your coworker, in an effort to not get into trouble kept finding shiny objects, because she could. She's a manipulator and your boss is a wimp. Your passive aggressive boss didn't organize his thoughts, nor did he set an agenda for the meeting that would have been useful and he probably made things worse for the team. He's about to lose his only good employee.
The only positive that I see is the work divide. That you will be doing separate projects is a good thing. Your projects will be detailed, well researched and very accurate, while hers will be late, half done and sloppy. Now you can just do your part and then shut down your computer and live your life.
HR clearly didn't step in and help him organize and facilitate this meeting as they should have done. He was completely clueless and threw you under the bus. This is beyond frustrating.
I hope that you'll find a great job fit, quickly. I'm sorry to hear that the meeting was so non-productive and frustrating.
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Post by quietgirl on May 24, 2024 17:21:53 GMT
I just want to say I'm sorry. Its hard to apply for jobs you're ridiculously overqualified for just to be done with an untenable situation. I don't blame you one bit. Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do, for you. Good luck with the search, and I wish you peace there while you're waiting. Its a shame. But you've consistantly done your best.
Im so glad your vacation was awesome. Sounds like a little bit of heaven to me.
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Post by lurker on May 24, 2024 17:40:23 GMT
I want to say "What a shit show!" but I won't cause I'm classier than that Like many others here, I cannot wait for the day you walk out their door for the last time with a smile on your face and an incredible opportunity awaiting you.
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Post by mollycoddle on May 24, 2024 22:37:39 GMT
Your boss is useless at people management. I completely agree with you and your BIL that he was expecting a meeting with you as the aggressor and him as the referee. You did well not to rise to that bait. Depending on how I felt about it I would be considering emailing him, his manager and HR with how that appeared to be the case and how uncomfortable you felt. Or I’d be emailing him and the colleague with my summation of the meeting and ask them to confirm that’s what had been agreed. Your boss is also useless at time management. To allow a meeting to run over by 1.5 hours is appalling. I agree. He wants you to call her out in front of him and then he would referee. He is beyond useless. It sounds like you and she are more or less separating your work-if I got that bit right-if so, that should help some. I hope that you find something else. I will bet that they will discover who did much of the hard work when you leave.
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Post by candleangie on May 25, 2024 1:16:08 GMT
No. Way.
He wanted you to do his job for him. Not only do you get huge kudos for not taking the bait, but I would have a conversation with him and hr on this.
He tried to put you in a position of “calling out” a coworker. You’re not in a position of authority over her and it would have been completely inappropriate for you to do that. That’s why HE has a job. It’s his responsibility that he just tried to push off on you.
What he tried to do would have escalated the problem to something totally adversarial.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 25, 2024 1:28:08 GMT
Well, your boss certainly doesn't have a spine. Did he want you to be his voice box? He put you both in the ring to fight it out. Had you said anything about her work behavior, she would have either gone on the defensive and started attacking you or she would have burst into tears or both. Your clueless boss thinks that you both have come to a good agreement and work life will be harmonious now. Your coworker, in an effort to not get into trouble kept finding shiny objects, because she could. She's a manipulator and your boss is a wimp. Your passive aggressive boss didn't organize his thoughts, nor did he set an agenda for the meeting that would have been useful and he probably made things worse for the team. He's about to lose his only good employee. The only positive that I see is the work divide. That you will be doing separate projects is a good thing. Your projects will be detailed, well researched and very accurate, while hers will be late, half done and sloppy. Now you can just do your part and then shut down your computer and live your life. HR clearly didn't step in and help him organize and facilitate this meeting as they should have done. He was completely clueless and threw you under the bus. This is beyond frustrating. I hope that you'll find a great job fit, quickly. I'm sorry to hear that the meeting was so non-productive and frustrating. My concern was that the coworker wanted to go back to a system where the work projects were rotated. What happens when she doesn’t do her part and then that part gets “rotated” back to Jeremysgirl half done? She will still end up getting the short end of the stick.
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Post by snyder on May 25, 2024 2:01:43 GMT
I can not believe an organization of your caliper has such incompentent managers. I will say a prayer that you are able to find a new postion of equality very quickly. {{{Hugs}}}
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