Debate opinions?

Oh my.

I was on a plane, so didn't see any of the debate, but it doesn't matter.

Odds are fairly high that *neither* person elected serves the full term. However, the Founders accounted for a person not being able to serve a full term. The VP gets the job. Whether it be by death, resignation or as later generation included, the 25th amendment. The point is there is a lawful and sound procedure for it happening, that Democrats have not shown an unwillingness to follow. That's the key. Do you not believe that Biden won't or won't be forced to step aside after? Biden can't run again, so it actually makes a lot of sense for him to leave the stage *before* the 2028 election cycle and give whomever the Democratic frontrunners will be the chance to make a connection with voters. That won't happen if Biden steps away *now*. All it will do is guarantee a loss, and taint whomever was selected to replace him because they lost.

On the other side you have a man who only wants the job to A. Pardon himself B. Enrich himself. Both of which are antithetical to what the Founders, and the generations since have expected the office of the President to be. The choices his policy team will make (because he will care about very few of them) will not help *anyone* here. Expected tariff increases, plus rounding up and deporting the labor source responsible for our domestic food supply is what we will get and you think prices are bad now. And that's before more crackdowns on women, LGBTQ and ethnicities, even if they are citizens, but are not European, and ideological and political opponents even if they are of European descent. The insurrection, the taking and sharing of highly classified documents, the election interference and the lack of consequences for ANY of it after 4 years, told Trump an awful lot about how meaningless the Constitution and the rule of law is if people who don't believe in those are in charge, and he can ignore it as his will. He didn't know that for sure in 2016-2020 and now he does. And if something does happen to Trump, his VP, who we don't even know who it will be. That person *will* care about enacting policies that you do not want.

Anyone who votes for Trump, doesn't vote at all, or votes for a third candidate is saying that Trump and his people are MORE acceptable than simply following the legal process to replace the President spelled out in the Constitution. People can twist themselves into knots that they have legitimate concerns, but it's garbage. Just admit, "That even after every law Trump has broken, violating parts of the Constitution, tried to overthrow the results of a legitimate election, and threatening more violations, that I don't think bad things will happen to *me*, if bad things even happen at all." If people were truly scared of what could happen, this wouldn't be a choice. But people aren't. Which is a privilege and a way makes us all victims of American success, that the freedoms and luxuries we enjoy could disappear so easily by one narcissistic bully that people for some reason can't stand up against, and people can't see that.

I would be remiss if I did not point out there is no guarantee that any person, young or old, who is elected President will complete a term in office.   The youngest person this country elected president lasted less than 2 years in office.  That would be John F. Kennedy.  Lincoln didn’t finish his term either.

That is why there a line of succession and a VP being trained to take over if necessary just like Kamala Harris who is getting on the job training to be president if need be.

Another reason to vote for Biden? To course correct the rogue ultra conservative unethical justices on the Supreme Court. Chances are the next president will be able to nominate one or two justices. Do you want more justices like Clarence Thomas and Alito? Or more justices like Kagan, Sotomoayor and Jackson?

This is just a fraction of what you will get with Trump or a Republican president for the next 30 years


www.nytimes.com/2024/06/28/us/supreme-court-jan-6-obstruction.html

Supreme Court Says Prosecutors Overstepped With Jan. 6 Charge
The ruling that the Justice Department misused a 2002 law in charging a pro-Trump rioter who entered the Capitol could have an impact on hundreds of other cases, including one against Donald Trump.


www.nytimes.com/live/2024/06/28/us/supreme-court-chevron#supreme-court-chevron-ruling

Supreme Court Imperils an Array of Federal Rules
A foundational 1984 decision required courts to defer to agencies’ reasonable interpretations of ambiguous statutes, underpinning regulations on health care, safety and the environment.

The Supreme Court swept aside a longstanding legal precedent on Friday, reducing the power of executive agencies and endangering countless regulations by transferring power from the executive branch to Congress and the courts. Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., writing for the majority, said that “agencies have no special competence” and that judges should determine the meaning of federal laws.

The precedent, Chevron v. Natural Resources Defense Council, is one of the most cited in American law, underpinning 70 Supreme Court decisions and roughly 17,000 in the lower courts. Critics of regulatory authority immediately hailed the decision, suggesting it could open new avenues to challenge federal rules in areas ranging from abortion pills to the environment.

The court has now overturned major precedents in each of the last three terms: on abortion in 2022, on affirmative action in 2023 and now on the power of administrative agencies. In a dissenting opinion, Justice Elena Kagan said the ruling amounted to the Supreme Court’s latest judicial power grab. “A rule of judicial humility,” she wrote, “gives way to a rule of judicial hubris.”

Respectfully, I disagree.  If Biden steps aside, that will throw the Democratic Party into chaos and almost guarantee a Trump win.

Biden's performance was regrettable and discouraging, but it's only June and Americans have short attention spans.  There will be more debates, more speeches and more fundraisers.  President Biden actually tends to do well when he is the underdog and people underestimate him.

Biden, today in North Carolina.

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Something else to consider when comparing the 2 candidates. There is a night and day difference between the Biden and Trump cabinets. Biden appointed a diverse cabinet of well qualified, experienced people. Trump appointed old white men, crooks and cronies loyal to him. But, most of those he appointed eventually left or turned on him. Only 4 of his 44 advisors endorsed him. A second administration would be worse. He will appoint his idiot children, Steve Bannon, Mike Flynn, Tucker Carlson, MTG, Matt Gaetz etc. Their only qualification will be their complete loyalty to him




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Keith Edwards @keithedwards
You’re voting for a president — and his administration

I don't like the primary process, either.  It isn't just progressives who don't get a chance to vote for their preferred candidate.  It's the same for the rest of us.  There are progressives in Iowa and NH as well, just like in every other state in the country.  But I don't know that the primary process screws them over any more than the moderate voters.  

Although it benefits me personally, I don't like the order of the primaries.  I can only speak for NH, but our state is not representative of the country, it is 97% white.  Yes, there are progressives here, and I'm fortunate to live close to UNH in a more liberal area.  However, we have a Republican controlled state house and a popular Republican governor.  Overall, our state is not nearly as progressive as other surrounding New England states.  

Trump will get America back to where it needs to be? Do you like women having to risk their lives when they’re having a miscarriage? Are you enjoying the possibility of birth control being taken away? Are you enamored with fascism and want to go back to being a second-class citizen? Did you enjoy many more people dying from Covid due to trump’s inept response? 

Or is it you wanting POC to “know their place”? 🤔

I see reality. You are straight-up fucking delusional. 

Do you really think it is only moderates that aren’t voting for Biden this time? There are a lot of progressives who say they won’t vote for him because of Israel/gaza. Any type of democrat who isn’t voting or won’t vote for Biden is misguided if you ask me.

The post I responded to was about moderates. If you want to discuss my disappointment with progressives on the Israel/Palestine issue, you’ll have to start a different thread.