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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 6, 2024 19:00:17 GMT
Well my thoughts on the people of this country were affirmed last night. Good luck everybody. Same girl. Same.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 6, 2024 19:04:27 GMT
Just breathe and hope in 2 years the midterm elections can help. I was already thinking that I hope that will be the case. The sad (and scary) thing is, this time they have a blueprint for how to upend everything right from day one and very likely with majorities in both House and Senate. I would be very surprised if they don’t hit the ground running with Project 2025, and I won’t be surprised by how much damage they can do in that first two years now that virtually all the guard rails will essentially be off.
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Post by librarylady on Nov 6, 2024 19:38:08 GMT
So what happens if Trump is sentenced to prison in NY for his felony convictions there? And since they’re state charges he can’t give himself a pardon, right? He will never see the inside of a prison. I expect him to pardon all the individuals who have been sentenced over January 6th.
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Post by naby64 on Nov 6, 2024 19:41:24 GMT
I purposely wore black to the office today. A co-worker said "I don't think I've ever seen you wear black." My reply "I'm in mourning for democracy." I did, too, for the same reason. no one has asked. but it's REALLY quiet here today. (medical device company) I am not in black but I am very dressed down today. I wear jeans most days with sneakers, birks, etc but a nicer shirt. Today I am defiantly wearing my chucks, jeans and a "love well" sweatshirt. I overheard talk of the prayer meeting as I was leaving for lunch. What I heard from the pastor and others in there cemented my thought process earlier. As I was sitting in my car, a friend was leaving. She said she had had enough. That talk was not why she came to church. She went on to say she hated the southern baptist convention. We had a nice good talk. Then my ODS called. As we talked I told him the only person to ask how I was today was the custodian. He voted the same as I did. The MoM, I do consider a friend, and he knows how I feel and how I voted. NO ONE has asked me how I am today. Do I expect them to? no but it would be nice to be acknowledged. ODS asked me if I had asked them how they were. Why should I, I asked. They are white males who voted for the winner. Why should I ask them? The Xanax is not working today and I am not sure how long I will make it today.
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Post by Merge on Nov 6, 2024 19:41:57 GMT
So what happens if Trump is sentenced to prison in NY for his felony convictions there? And since they’re state charges he can’t give himself a pardon, right? That's correct.
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Post by flanz on Nov 6, 2024 20:01:43 GMT
I’m just sick about this. (Understatement of the millennium). I know I’ll be okay - white, homeowner, good job etc. but I’ve never been okay with the “get mine, screw everyone else” attitude. This is going to be a terrible 4 years. BUT maybe this is what the country needs to wake the f**k up. There’s no reasoning with his followers but when they start to suffer or get poorer, whatever, maybe we can climb out of this hole in four years. Jesus that feels like a lifetime. Agree completely with bolded statement. I don't think there's a reasonable chance that there will ever be another election... I'm sick, heartbroken and yet hanging on to a shred of hope. If anyone is interested, the national arm of Indivisible is hosting a webinar at 8 pm Eastern today to discuss next steps. I will also create a separate thread to share this: Indivisibles - Join our national call TONIGHT @ 8:30pm ET to be in community & ready ourselves for the fights ahead. lil.ms/oojz/al75h3
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 6, 2024 20:09:58 GMT
And now there is reporting that Israel may end the war now as a favor to Trump. So, basically Netanyahu was continuing the war and giving Biden and Blinken the middle finger in order to help Trump.
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Post by mom on Nov 6, 2024 20:23:35 GMT
And now there is reporting that Israel may end the war now as a favor to Trump. So, basically Netanyahu was continuing the war and giving Biden and Blinken the middle finger in order to help Trump. Where are you seeing that? I just saw Netanyahu fired his Defense Minister but nothing about stopping the war.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 6, 2024 20:29:07 GMT
And now there is reporting that Israel may end the war now as a favor to Trump. So, basically Netanyahu was continuing the war and giving Biden and Blinken the middle finger in order to help Trump. Where are you seeing that? I just saw Netanyahu fired his Defense Minister but nothing about stopping the war. It was on instagram. I believe it came from one of NPR’s accounts but don’t have time to look now.
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Post by hopemax on Nov 6, 2024 20:37:46 GMT
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Post by breetheflea on Nov 6, 2024 20:44:31 GMT
My very anti-Republican " mother just posted some que sera sera comment on a text I sent about the election. I asked her what antidepressants she is on, I might need some of that to get through the next four years. I also picked up DS from school and everyone was laughing and smiling, it makes me wonder if anyone read the news this morning. ETA: she says Effexor. I knew she was on something
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Post by ntsf on Nov 6, 2024 20:53:35 GMT
I was on a faith and housing zoom call (for people trying to develop affordable housing ) and we started with pausing, deep breaths and acknowledgement that we all. may not be in a good space. the acknowledgement felt good after a night of little sleep and lots of stress.
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Post by jediannie on Nov 6, 2024 21:01:47 GMT
I was already thinking that I hope that will be the case. The sad (and scary) thing is, this time they have a blueprint for how to upend everything right from day one and very likely with majorities in both House and Senate. I would be very surprised if they don’t hit the ground running with Project 2025, and I won’t be surprised by how much damage they can do in that first two years now that virtually all the guard rails will essentially be off. This is what I'm most afraid of. I feel like this is the end, but I'm not going down without a fight!
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Post by MichyM on Nov 6, 2024 21:02:40 GMT
Perhaps the democratic party should ask how did Biden get 81M votes and Harris only get 61M (the last number I saw this morning)? The party lost a significant portion of their previous voters during the course of the Biden-Harris administration. Why? Where did they go because Trump didn't get a 20M bump To follow that tidbit up, Trump is the first Republican president-elect to win the popular vote since G.W. Bush's re-election in 2004. When the US and the Republican party were in a completely different, post 9/11 world.
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Post by Gem Girl on Nov 6, 2024 21:09:09 GMT
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Post by MichyM on Nov 6, 2024 21:11:22 GMT
And now there is reporting that Israel may end the war now as a favor to Trump. So, basically Netanyahu was continuing the war and giving Biden and Blinken the middle finger in order to help Trump. Where are you seeing that? I just saw Netanyahu fired his Defense Minister but nothing about stopping the war. Just an aside. I happened to be in my neighborhood jeweler for some repairs yesterday when this was coming to light. He is an Israeli immigrant. He (and his US born wife who also works in the shop) were so angry. They want Netanyahu GONE.
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Post by MichyM on Nov 6, 2024 21:17:32 GMT
This is quoted only as an example, I am NOT calling you specifically out for this hopemax <3. I'm wondering if folks could mention what it IS that they are linking when they post a link? I won't click into random links from sites I've never heard of, even from a long time and well-respected pea. Especially one like this that has "and yes it moves" as the title which doesn't seem to refer to anything in this thread, KWIM? I googled so I now know the site is ok, but I wonder how many just scroll on past links posted like that? Anyhow, maybe some food for thought...and now I'm off to read the article.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 6, 2024 21:24:06 GMT
thank you for this. very sobering. "Modernity has spoiled us in thinking things won’t get dramatically and catastrophically worse, worse in a way that will last for generations. But things have gotten abruptly much worse before, and they can again. And yet people must persevere, even if their children and grandchildren who will see the benefits and not them. Trump won yesterday, as I feared he would. I firmly believe America — and likely the world — will get significantly worse for at least a generation, probably more. I’ll spare you, for now, the why. Frankly, I think you either already accept it or will never accept it."For most of my life (I was born in 1969) I was either a kid, oblivious to what was going on around me, or thought things were going pretty darn good. Reaganomics, a middle class white small-town upbringing, Clinton the first President I ever got the privilege to vote for, decent paying corporate jobs in the pharma / med device industry... and a (somewhat naïve) belief that 'most people are basically good.' I KNEW the US wasn't the 'best country in the world' but I figured it was pretty darn good. And it was, for me, and the people I knew. Like he says, it's a nice myth... I've never had to face the fact before that in the US, things could suck THIS bad in my lifetime. It was always 'back in history' not for ME. Not NOW. We should be SMARTER now. But we're not, and our generation- and the ones after us- unfortunately, have a front row seat. It's a hard lesson to learn, and a VERY bitter pill to swallow. But he does say all is not lost (a la Galadriel and LOTR)... don't give up your values, and while you can't fix everything, you can still help ONE person. Do a SMALL thing. Use the gifts you have... "Resist. Do not go gently. Do not be cowed by the result. Resist. Agitate, agitate, agitate. The values you believe in, the ones that led you to despise Trumpism, are worth fighting for whether or not we are currently winning. Ignore the people who will, from indifference or complicity or cowardice, sneer at you for holding to those values. Speak out. Every time you act to defend your fellow people, even in small ways, you defy Trumpism. In the age of Trumpism, simple decency is revolutionary. Be revolutionaries."
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Post by MichyM on Nov 6, 2024 21:36:39 GMT
thank you for this. very sobering. "Modernity has spoiled us in thinking things won’t get dramatically and catastrophically worse, worse in a way that will last for generations. But things have gotten abruptly much worse before, and they can again. And yet people must persevere, even if their children and grandchildren who will see the benefits and not them. Trump won yesterday, as I feared he would. I firmly believe America — and likely the world — will get significantly worse for at least a generation, probably more. I’ll spare you, for now, the why. Frankly, I think you either already accept it or will never accept it."For most of my life (I was born in 1969) I was either a kid, oblivious to what was going on around me, or thought things were going pretty darn good. Reaganomics, a middle class white small-town upbringing, Clinton the first President I ever got the privilege to vote for, decent paying corporate jobs in the pharma / med device industry... and a (somewhat naïve) belief that 'most people are basically good.' I KNEW the US wasn't the 'best country in the world' but I figured it was pretty darn good. And it was, for me, and the people I knew. Like he says, it's a nice myth... I've never had to face the fact before that in the US, things could suck THIS bad in my lifetime. It was always 'back in history' not for ME. Not NOW. We should be SMARTER now. But we're not, and our generation- and the ones after us- unfortunately, have a front row seat. It's a hard lesson to learn, and a VERY bitter pill to swallow. But he does say all is not lost (a la Galadriel and LOTR)... don't give up your values, and while you can't fix everything, you can still help ONE person. Do a SMALL thing. Use the gifts you have... "Resist. Do not go gently. Do not be cowed by the result. Resist. Agitate, agitate, agitate. The values you believe in, the ones that led you to despise Trumpism, are worth fighting for whether or not we are currently winning. Ignore the people who will, from indifference or complicity or cowardice, sneer at you for holding to those values. Speak out. Every time you act to defend your fellow people, even in small ways, you defy Trumpism. In the age of Trumpism, simple decency is revolutionary. Be revolutionaries." The red bold part is mine. And yes, as a mom (of a 34YO), he is who I fight for. He is also part of a marginalized community who will, without a doubt, face bigger challenges in the next couple of decades due to this election and it's aftermath. As I went to bed last night I realized that at age 63, I may never see our country's government as a democracy again in my lifetime. It breaks my damn heart, and I am sorry if I sound dramatic, but it does. But I'm gonna keep fighting for my kids, your kids, and your grandkids and on and on. Listening to Harris' speech right now. We really missed a great opportunity by not electing her.
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Post by hopemax on Nov 6, 2024 21:38:53 GMT
This is quoted only as an example, I am NOT calling you specifically out for this hopemax <3. I'm wondering if folks could mention what it IS that they are linking when they post a link? I won't click into random links from sites I've never heard of, even from a long time and well-respected pea. Especially one like this that has "and yes it moves" as the title which doesn't seem to refer to anything in this thread, KWIM? I googled so I now know the site is ok, but I wonder how many just scroll on past links posted like that? Anyhow, maybe some food for thought...and now I'm off to read the article. I actually did consider pulling a few quotes, including the one about Modernity crimsoncat05 posted, but honestly, my brain is fried. I slept 3 hours. If people don't want to click every link, I certainly don't, even with quotes or commentary, that 's cool (and your post too), especially today.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Nov 6, 2024 21:55:00 GMT
So several neighbors have added large TFG flags to their yard. I have seen multiple postings asking where to get them and t-shirts so I assume I will be seeing even more in the coming years.
Still processing and trying to figure out how to snap out of this . I guess I’m going to be numb and sad for a while. I’m sure anger will hit but I just don’t have the energy right now. I’m just in survival mode as many others are. So many on local groups celebrating makes it even harder. I hate feeling hopeless.
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Post by ellemkay on Nov 6, 2024 22:02:34 GMT
Help me navigate how I deal with my Trumper family. I'm currently having it out with my sister over the election results. Her "I love everyone regardless of color" bullshit doesn't sit well with me, especially when I have a black husband and biracial child. I just can't with these people and I'm so pissed off I can't even properly articulate things.
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Post by Tearisci on Nov 6, 2024 22:11:34 GMT
Help me navigate how I deal with my Trumper family. I'm currently having it out with my sister over the election results. Her "I love everyone regardless of color" bullshit doesn't sit well with me, especially when I have a black husband and biracial child. I just can't with these people and I'm so pissed off I can't even properly articulate things. One of my sisters voted for Trump because, she says, of the economy and the border. It's such a bullshit answer to me. I don't plan on seeing them for awhile. I'm not sure I can come face to face with them without feeling a ton of anger. My Ex-SIL keeps putting the 'care' emoji on all of my FB posts today and she's a Trumper. I want to slap her
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 6, 2024 22:18:47 GMT
Where are you seeing that? I just saw Netanyahu fired his Defense Minister but nothing about stopping the war. It was on instagram. I believe it came from one of NPR’s accounts but don’t have time to look now. Here is a screen shot of the post.
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Post by ellemkay on Nov 6, 2024 22:20:22 GMT
Help me navigate how I deal with my Trumper family. I'm currently having it out with my sister over the election results. Her "I love everyone regardless of color" bullshit doesn't sit well with me, especially when I have a black husband and biracial child. I just can't with these people and I'm so pissed off I can't even properly articulate things. One of my sisters voted for Trump because, she says, of the economy and the border. It's such a bullshit answer to me. I don't plan on seeing them for awhile. I'm not sure I can come face to face with them without feeling a ton of anger. My Ex-SIL keeps putting the 'care' emoji on all of my FB posts today and she's a Trumper. I want to slap her Seriously. I knew it was happening. My whole family is Trump supporters and see nothing wrong with anything he does. It bothered me a ton in 2016 and 2020 but now I have a 2 year old and they sure love all over him but it feels fake as hell knowing they will vote for someone that could strip his and my husband's rights away. Not to mention Trump's just a vile, disgusting person with all of the shit he spews. Like, why would I want to associate with you or have my child around you, knowing you support this kind of filth!!
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Post by hopemax on Nov 6, 2024 22:21:47 GMT
Help me navigate how I deal with my Trumper family. I'm currently having it out with my sister over the election results. Her "I love everyone regardless of color" bullshit doesn't sit well with me, especially when I have a black husband and biracial child. I just can't with these people and I'm so pissed off I can't even properly articulate things. Right now, I don't think there is much that can be done because we don't actually know who will be running the show. Who holds cabinet positions, and what legislative agenda the Senate runs with, will determine which way a lot of things go. I sent my Dad an email, and basically said, "These are the people I expect to be less safe now. Vulnerable groups here, Europe, Taiwan, our military, etc. I also asked rhetorically, were the Nazis bad, are Russia, China, North Korea adversaries or countries to emulate? What he meant by the quote from the December rally in Raleigh where Trump said "Immigrants are poisoning the blood of this country." Note, the lack of the qualifier of "legal." And who is "the enemy within" he has threatened to use the National Guard and if necessary the military on. My Dad is sensitive to military issues, as an ex-Marine, so that's why I chose things that would affect ours going forward. What I don't want is for him to say, "I didn't know/understand." Otherwise, we have to watch and wait to really engage. Right now, it's too easy for Trumpers to say, "That bad thing isn't going to happen."
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 6, 2024 22:23:45 GMT
I did a few concrete things: I deleted Twitter, for example. I had to come in today to teach like I always do, and am running an event for students about election results this afternoon. I had to comfort my adult kids who are gay and scared. Like many people, I have to carry on and be there for people, even if I'm not in the best place for it.
My husband and kids have Austrian citizenship; I have the right to live with them if they were to move. I don't think we'll need it. I am glad we have it. I am going to continue educating the best lawyers I can to do the most they can do to protect the most vulnerable among us.
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Post by MichyM on Nov 6, 2024 22:26:15 GMT
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Post by Gem Girl on Nov 6, 2024 22:41:52 GMT
The Hartmann Report hartmannreport.com/p/the-billionaires-won-the-50-year-841?utm_campaign=email-half-post&r=29axqs&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=emailWe just watched the final fulfillment of a 50 year plan. Louis Powell laid it out in 1971, and every step along the way Republicans have follow it. It was a plan to turn America over to the richest men and the largest corporations. It was a plan to replace democracy with oligarchy. A large handful of America’s richest people invested billions in this plan, and its tax breaks and fossil fuel subsidies have made them trillions. More will soon come to them. As any advertising executive can tell you, with enough money and enough advertising — particularly if you are willing to lie — you can sell anybody pretty much anything. Even a convicted felon, rapist, and friend and agent of America’s enemies. America was overwhelmed this fall by billions of dollars in often dishonest advertising, made possible by five corrupt Republicans on the Supreme Court, and it worked. Democrats were massively outspent, not to mention the power of the billionaire Murdoch family’s Fox “News” and 1500 hate talk radio stations. Open the lens a bit larger, and we find that it goes way beyond just this election; virtually every crisis America is facing right now is either caused or exacerbated by the corruption of big money authorized by five corrupt Republicans on our Supreme Court. They are responsible for our crises of gun violence, the drug epidemic, homelessness, political gridlock, our slow response to the climate emergency, a looming crisis for Social Security and Medicare, the situation on our southern border, even the lack of affordable drugs, insurance, and healthcare. All track back to a handful of Supreme Court justices who’ve sold their votes to billionaires in exchange for extravagant vacations, luxury yachts and motorhomes, private jet travel, speaking fees, homes, tuition, and participation in exclusive clubs and billionaire networks that bar the rest of us from entry. For over two decades, Clarence Thomas and his wife have been accepting millions in free luxury vacations, tuition for their adopted son, a home for his mother, private jet and megayacht travel, and entrance to rarified clubs. Sam Alito is also on the gravy train, and there are questions about how Brett Kavanaugh managed to pay off his credit cards and gambling debts. John Roberts’ wife has made over $10 million from law firms with business before the court; Neil Gorsuch got a sweetheart real estate deal; Amy Coney Barrett refuses to recuse herself from cases involving her father’s oil company. None of this is illegal because when five corrupt Republicans on the Court legalized members of Congress taking bribes they legalized that same behavior for themselves. As a result, we have oligarchs running our media, social media, and buying our elections, while the Supreme Court, with Citizens United, even legalized foreign interference in our political process. Our modern era of big money controlling government began in the decade after Richard Nixon put Lewis Powell — the tobacco lawyer who wrote the infamous 1971 “Powell Memo” outlining how billionaires and corporations could take over America — on the Supreme Court in 1972. In the 1976 Buckley v. Valeo decision, the Court ruled that money used to buy elections wasn’t just cash: they claimed it’s also “free speech” protected by the First Amendment that guarantees your right to speak out on political issues. In the 200 preceding years — all the way back to the American Revolution of 1776 — no politician or credible political scientist had ever proposed that spending billions to buy votes with dishonest advertising was anything other than simple corruption. The “originalists” on the Supreme Court, however, claimed to be channeling the Founders of this nation, particularly those who wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, when they said that “money is the same thing as free speech.” In that claim, Republicans on the Court were lying through their teeth. In a letter to Samuel Kercheval in 1816, President and author of the Declaration of “Those seeking profits, were they given total freedom, would not be the ones to trust to keep government pure and our rights secure. Indeed, it has always been those seeking wealth who were the source of corruption in government.” But Republicans on the Supreme Court weren’t reading the Founders. They were instead listening to the billionaires who helped get them on the Court in the first place. Who had bribed them with position and power and then kept them in their thrall with luxury vacations, “friendship,” and gifts. Two years after the 1976 Buckley decision, the Republicans on the Supreme Court struck again, this time adding that the “money is speech and can be used to buy votes and politicians” argument applied to corporate “persons” as well as to billionaires. Lewis Powell himself wrote the majority opinion in the 1978 Boston v Bellotti decision. Justices White, Brennan, and Marshall dissented: “The special status of corporations has placed them in a position to control vast amounts of economic power which may, if not regulated, dominate not only our economy but the very heart of our democracy, the electoral process.” But the dissenters lost the vote, and political corruption of everything from local elections to the Supreme Court itself was now virtually assured. Notice that ruling came down just two years before the Reagan Revolution, when almost all forward progress in America came to a screeching halt. It’s no coincidence. And it’s gotten worse since then, with the Court doubling down in 2010 with Citizens United, overturning hundreds of state and federal “good government” laws dating all the way back to the late 1800s. Thus, today America has a severe problem of big money controlling our political system. And last night it hit its peak, putting an open fascist in charge of our government. No other developed country in the world has this problem, which is why every other developed country has a national healthcare system, free or near-free college, and strong unions that maintain a healthy middle class. It’s why they can afford pharmaceuticals, are taking active steps to stop climate change, and don’t fear being shot when they go to school, the theater, or shopping. It’s why they are still functioning democracies. The ability of America to move forward on any of these issues is, for now, paralyzed with the election of Trump and the GOP taking over the Senate. This is not the end, though; hitting bottom often begins the process of renewal. Many Americans will continue to speak out and fight for a democracy uncorrupted by the morbidly rich. And so will I.
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Post by Just T on Nov 6, 2024 22:48:00 GMT
I have never felt worse about a presidential election. I have been unhappy with the outcome, but life went on. Even in 2016, I was far from happy that Trump won, but I remember watching the inauguration thinking how cool it is that we have that peaceful transfer of power. I thought, "how bad can he be? We have checks and balances." Yeah, then those checks and balances went out the damn window, and now, we have what will possibly be a dictator, who just a few days ago said he never should have left office in 2020. He is going to gut the government. He's admitted that. He's going to put his yes men in place, and we will be screwed royally. I have zero faith in anything right now. I have two gay children. I have a daughter in law who I adore from Mexico who is trying to do everything the right way to be able to legally live here, but does not yet have her final visas and green card. I worry for her and what will happen when Trump starts happily rounding up brown people and deporting them.
UGH. I hate everyone in my life right now who voted for this disgusting felon sexual predator. My Trump loving people are gloating about how now the world will respect us again. Yeah, right. We are the laughingstock of the world once again.
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