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Post by MsChiff on Nov 6, 2024 22:52:55 GMT
Y'all are a bunch of hypocrites.
I've read numerous posts on here from Peas stating they would vote Democrat regardless who the Democrat candidate was. NUMEROUS. Yet when Republicans did the same, you call them ignorant, stupid, racist, misogynistic, etc. For doing the EXACT SAME THING a number of Democrats did. Contrary to what you believe, they're no more ________ (fill in the blank) than Democrats who supported Harris because she's a Democrat. Or women who voted for Harris because she's a woman. Or blacks who voted for Harris because she's black. Or men who voted for Trump because he's a man. Or whites who voted for Trump because he's white.
I blame the Democratic Party for ensuring Trump's successful election.
Are y'all REALLY so blind that you can't see that who you should be blaming for Trump's win are DEMOCRATS. Your party lost the election to Trump in 2016 when they ran a woman against him. Not just any woman, mind you, but one with a fair amount of political experience and recognition. Then they won the election in 2020 when they ran a man against him who also had a fair amount of political experience and recognition. Here we are in 2024 and the idiots making the decisions in the Democratic Party decide in their abject lack of wisdom to again put a woman against Trump. Not just any woman but one with far less political experience than the last woman that lost to him. And they gave her only 4 months to campaign. Seriously??? What they should have been spending the last 4 years doing is finding a strong male candidate that could beat Trump; but they chose not to.
Not only did the Democratic Party foolishly decide to run a woman, but thousands of Democrats immediately started cheering and supporting their choice. KNOWING that the last woman they ran--one who was far more qualified than this one--couldn't beat Trump! KNOWING that the political climate in this country has become more, not less, divisive and more polarized since the 2016 election.
I don't follow politics anywhere near the level that some/most of y'all do, but if I could clearly see that a woman wouldn't win against Trump why couldn't y'all? Why would you not challenge such a selection? Why would y'all not have been actively working the last 4 years to push your Party to identify a strong male candidate that most likely would win should Biden not be able to win?
I understand wanting to see a great woman President. I'd LOVE it! But why on Earth would the Democratic Party take such a huge risk in such an important election? Arrogance? Ignorance? Stupidity? Quite possibly a combination of these. And why would registered Democrats applaud this as a good decision when it was clear she couldn't win? I can't think of a logical explanation.
Perhaps those missing Democrat voters are men who couldn't bring themselves to vote for a woman...
Rather than blaming Republicans for voting their party, y'all should be looking into why Democrats handed over the election. Going forward I'd be working my butt off to do every thing I could to ensure it doesn't happen again.
Signed -- An Independent who did NOT vote for Trump
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 6, 2024 22:56:48 GMT
And since they’re state charges he can’t give himself a pardon, right? He will never see the inside of a prison. I expect him to pardon all the individuals who have been sentenced over January 6th. What really sucks about this is that Cohen DID go to prison for the same offense. Laws for thee but not for me. My fear is that since none of these charges seem like they’re going to stick, it will only embolden him and those like him even more, and to commit even more heinous crimes just because they can and now there will be no one, no agency, no DOJ that will push back. It’s like he grabbed America itself by the… you know. Because when you’re president they just let you do it. Ugh. Just ugh. |
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Post by nightnurse on Nov 6, 2024 23:04:41 GMT
Help me navigate how I deal with my Trumper family. I'm currently having it out with my sister over the election results. Her "I love everyone regardless of color" bullshit doesn't sit well with me, especially when I have a black husband and biracial child. I just can't with these people and I'm so pissed off I can't even properly articulate things. My husband texted his sister this am that we aren’t coming to thanksgiving. The bullish it let’s all get along regardless makes me irate. If I see one more can’t we all get along Facebook post I’ll lose it. No we can’t stay friends. Friends don’t vote to strip others of their rights. Sorry I’m no help |
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Post by PLurker on Nov 6, 2024 23:22:11 GMT
Perhaps the democratic party should ask how did Biden get 81M votes and Harris only get 61M (the last number I saw this morning)? The party lost a significant portion of their previous voters during the course of the Biden-Harris administration. Why? Where did they go because Trump didn't get a 20M bump To follow that tidbit up, Trump is the first Republican president-elect to win the popular vote since G.W. Bush's re-election in 2004. When the US and the Republican party were in a completely different, post 9/11 world. Also because Biden is a more palatable white and male. When Barack Obama was elected again the Pollyanna in me probably thought oh good progress. I focused on that. A plus. I probably should have focused more on the reaction, the next election. Progress isn't made very quickly in the one step forward two steps backwards mode. I had put in back of my mind the life size cutouts of Obama being hung, a literal lynching throwback. Outside the post office I was working for when I went out to gather the mail, day after day for a week or more. Ive remembered the good more, not the bad reactions. That's my bad. Bad Pollyanna. How did I think a black, Asian, woman had a chance. Look at the breakdown of voters, it tells the tale. 'Merica is not ready or willing to have a female president. POC in addition, yeah no. |
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Post by PLurker on Nov 6, 2024 23:27:57 GMT
Help me navigate how I deal with my Trumper family. I'm currently having it out with my sister over the election results. Her "I love everyone regardless of color" bullshit doesn't sit well with me, especially when I have a black husband and biracial child. I just can't with these people and I'm so pissed off I can't even properly articulate things. My husband texted his sister this am that we aren’t coming to thanksgiving. The bullish it let’s all get along regardless makes me irate. If I see one more can’t we all get along Facebook post I’ll lose it. No we can’t stay friends. Friends don’t vote to strip others of their rights. Sorry I’m no help I'm with you or leaning strongly in that direction. I only have one sibling left in my childhood immediate family. Sibling has been a trump supporter despite their child being gay and basically telling said parent that it's hurting them. The no it's not, I know better is too much for me. You don't get to disregard someone's pain because you don't believe it. It's not your pain dumbass. And then to be your child... At the moment I kind of feel like an orphaned single child. Still raw. Breathe. |
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Post by Linda on Nov 6, 2024 23:29:16 GMT
I purposely wore black to the office today. A co-worker said "I don't think I've ever seen you wear black." My reply "I'm in mourning for democracy." I did, too, for the same reason. no one has asked. but it's REALLY quiet here today. (medical device company) I'm at home but also chose to wear black today |
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Post by miascraps on Nov 6, 2024 23:36:49 GMT
I haven’t had time to read the previous 5 pages here. On Sunday I read a fact based article stating most Americans watch Fox News followed by CNN. I knew at that point Democrats were doomed. Americans are not fully informed before they head to the polls. They hear what they want to hear. I’m truly sorry for you all.
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Post by PLurker on Nov 7, 2024 0:36:01 GMT
You know who wasn't surprised?
Many of the already marginalized "others" folk.
Speaks volumes.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 7, 2024 1:10:44 GMT
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 7, 2024 1:17:22 GMT
Y'all are a bunch of hypocrites. I've read numerous posts on here from Peas stating they would vote Democrat regardless who the Democrat candidate was. NUMEROUS. Yet when Republicans did the same, you call them ignorant, stupid, racist, misogynistic, etc. For doing the EXACT SAME THING a number of Democrats did. Contrary to what you believe, they're no more ________ (fill in the blank) than Democrats who supported Harris because she's a Democrat. Or women who voted for Harris because she's a woman. Or blacks who voted for Harris because she's black. Or men who voted for Trump because he's a man. Or whites who voted for Trump because he's white. I blame the Democratic Party for ensuring Trump's successful election. Are y'all REALLY so blind that you can't see that who you should be blaming for Trump's win are DEMOCRATS. Your party lost the election to Trump in 2016 when they ran a woman against him. Not just any woman, mind you, but one with a fair amount of political experience and recognition. Then they won the election in 2020 when they ran a man against him who also had a fair amount of political experience and recognition. Here we are in 2024 and the idiots making the decisions in the Democratic Party decide in their abject lack of wisdom to again put a woman against Trump. Not just any woman but one with far less political experience than the last woman that lost to him. And they gave her only 4 months to campaign. Seriously??? What they should have been spending the last 4 years doing is finding a strong male candidate that could beat Trump; but they chose not to. Not only did the Democratic Party foolishly decide to run a woman, but thousands of Democrats immediately started cheering and supporting their choice. KNOWING that the last woman they ran--one who was far more qualified than this one--couldn't beat Trump! KNOWING that the political climate in this country has become more, not less, divisive and more polarized since the 2016 election. I don't follow politics anywhere near the level that some/most of y'all do, but if I could clearly see that a woman wouldn't win against Trump why couldn't y'all? Why would you not challenge such a selection? Why would y'all not have been actively working the last 4 years to push your Party to identify a strong male candidate that most likely would win should Biden not be able to win? I understand wanting to see a great woman President. I'd LOVE it! But why on Earth would the Democratic Party take such a huge risk in such an important election? Arrogance? Ignorance? Stupidity? Quite possibly a combination of these. And why would registered Democrats applaud this as a good decision when it was clear she couldn't win? I can't think of a logical explanation. Perhaps those missing Democrat voters are men who couldn't bring themselves to vote for a woman... Rather than blaming Republicans for voting their party, y'all should be looking into why Democrats handed over the election. Going forward I'd be working my butt off to do every thing I could to ensure it doesn't happen again. Signed -- An Independent who did NOT vote for Trump Give me a break. I am tired of people blaming Democrats for Trump. The responsibility lies with those who voted for him or for third party. THAT's IT! I have often said that it would be very unlikely that I would vote for a Republican at this time, but I won't say never. Because if someone with Trump's credentials of being a felon, rapist, malignant narcissist dictator was running as a Democrat, I would not vote for them. You can't compare Trump with a "normal" candidate. And maybe you should go out and do something to make sure this doesn't happen again. Saying you are an independent doesn't absolve you of any responsibility. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 7, 2024 1:40:02 GMT
This is going to have a much bigger ripple effect than just retailers. Anyone, in ANY business, that relies on parts, tools, equipment, materials, anything that comes from another country will be affected by these tariffs. My DH owns a business in the construction field and I’m quite sure that a good percentage of the parts, etc. that he buys from his U.S. distributors originally come from China. When the costs for all of those things go up for the wholesaler, they in turn are going to raise their prices to DH to offset the increases, who in turn isn’t going to eat them. We can’t afford to absorb all of those added costs, so DH will *also* raise his prices accordingly because all of his costs have gone up. So the net effect to the end retail consumer of those initial tariffs will be multiplied by EVERY business those parts, tools, equipment and materials have to pass through to get to the end user. If you think your electrician, painter, plumber, general contractor or handyman is expensive now, just wait. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 7, 2024 1:43:01 GMT
Y'all are a bunch of hypocrites. I've read numerous posts on here from Peas stating they would vote Democrat regardless who the Democrat candidate was. NUMEROUS. Yet when Republicans did the same, you call them ignorant, stupid, racist, misogynistic, etc. For doing the EXACT SAME THING a number of Democrats did. Contrary to what you believe, they're no more ________ (fill in the blank) than Democrats who supported Harris because she's a Democrat. Or women who voted for Harris because she's a woman. Or blacks who voted for Harris because she's black. Or men who voted for Trump because he's a man. Or whites who voted for Trump because he's white. I blame the Democratic Party for ensuring Trump's successful election. Are y'all REALLY so blind that you can't see that who you should be blaming for Trump's win are DEMOCRATS. Your party lost the election to Trump in 2016 when they ran a woman against him. Not just any woman, mind you, but one with a fair amount of political experience and recognition. Then they won the election in 2020 when they ran a man against him who also had a fair amount of political experience and recognition. Here we are in 2024 and the idiots making the decisions in the Democratic Party decide in their abject lack of wisdom to again put a woman against Trump. Not just any woman but one with far less political experience than the last woman that lost to him. And they gave her only 4 months to campaign. Seriously??? What they should have been spending the last 4 years doing is finding a strong male candidate that could beat Trump; but they chose not to. Not only did the Democratic Party foolishly decide to run a woman, but thousands of Democrats immediately started cheering and supporting their choice. KNOWING that the last woman they ran--one who was far more qualified than this one--couldn't beat Trump! KNOWING that the political climate in this country has become more, not less, divisive and more polarized since the 2016 election. I don't follow politics anywhere near the level that some/most of y'all do, but if I could clearly see that a woman wouldn't win against Trump why couldn't y'all? Why would you not challenge such a selection? Why would y'all not have been actively working the last 4 years to push your Party to identify a strong male candidate that most likely would win should Biden not be able to win? I understand wanting to see a great woman President. I'd ![]() it! But why on Earth would the Democratic Party take such a huge risk in such an important election? Arrogance? Ignorance? Stupidity? Quite possibly a combination of these. And why would registered Democrats applaud this as a good decision when it was clear she couldn't win? I can't think of a logical explanation. Perhaps those missing Democrat voters are men who couldn't bring themselves to vote for a woman... Rather than blaming Republicans for voting their party, y'all should be looking into why Democrats handed over the election. Going forward I'd be working my butt off to do every thing I could to ensure it doesn't happen again. Signed -- An Independent who did NOT vote for Trump I mean, this just explains how backward the US is. Look at other countries who have had female leaders. But not us! No, sireee! And really, how do you figure that Harris was not qualified enough to be President? She was the AG of a large state, a Senator, and the VP. She has far more experience than GW Bush or Obama had. And I suppose that *I* figured that it was obvious that Trump is getting addled, but maybe those bits weren’t played on Fox News. Trump is an obnoxious old man who doesn’t read. His intelligence briefings when he was President were heavy on pictures, light on text. He was caught with top secret papers, for God’s sake. I know that you didn’t vote for him, but blaming people who voted for a capable woman instead of blaming the people who wouldn’t vote for a woman makes no sense to me. |
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Post by MsChiff on Nov 7, 2024 2:43:27 GMT
Y'all are a bunch of hypocrites. I've read numerous posts on here from Peas stating they would vote Democrat regardless who the Democrat candidate was. NUMEROUS. Yet when Republicans did the same, you call them ignorant, stupid, racist, misogynistic, etc. For doing the EXACT SAME THING a number of Democrats did. Contrary to what you believe, they're no more ________ (fill in the blank) than Democrats who supported Harris because she's a Democrat. Or women who voted for Harris because she's a woman. Or blacks who voted for Harris because she's black. Or men who voted for Trump because he's a man. Or whites who voted for Trump because he's white. I blame the Democratic Party for ensuring Trump's successful election. Are y'all REALLY so blind that you can't see that who you should be blaming for Trump's win are DEMOCRATS. Your party lost the election to Trump in 2016 when they ran a woman against him. Not just any woman, mind you, but one with a fair amount of political experience and recognition. Then they won the election in 2020 when they ran a man against him who also had a fair amount of political experience and recognition. Here we are in 2024 and the idiots making the decisions in the Democratic Party decide in their abject lack of wisdom to again put a woman against Trump. Not just any woman but one with far less political experience than the last woman that lost to him. And they gave her only 4 months to campaign. Seriously??? What they should have been spending the last 4 years doing is finding a strong male candidate that could beat Trump; but they chose not to. Not only did the Democratic Party foolishly decide to run a woman, but thousands of Democrats immediately started cheering and supporting their choice. KNOWING that the last woman they ran--one who was far more qualified than this one--couldn't beat Trump! KNOWING that the political climate in this country has become more, not less, divisive and more polarized since the 2016 election. I don't follow politics anywhere near the level that some/most of y'all do, but if I could clearly see that a woman wouldn't win against Trump why couldn't y'all? Why would you not challenge such a selection? Why would y'all not have been actively working the last 4 years to push your Party to identify a strong male candidate that most likely would win should Biden not be able to win? I understand wanting to see a great woman President. I'd LOVE it! But why on Earth would the Democratic Party take such a huge risk in such an important election? Arrogance? Ignorance? Stupidity? Quite possibly a combination of these. And why would registered Democrats applaud this as a good decision when it was clear she couldn't win? I can't think of a logical explanation. Perhaps those missing Democrat voters are men who couldn't bring themselves to vote for a woman... Rather than blaming Republicans for voting their party, y'all should be looking into why Democrats handed over the election. Going forward I'd be working my butt off to do every thing I could to ensure it doesn't happen again. Signed -- An Independent who did NOT vote for Trump Give me a break. I am tired of people blaming Democrats for Trump. The responsibility lies with those who voted for him or for third party. THAT's IT! I have often said that it would be very unlikely that I would vote for a Republican at this time, but I won't say never. Because if someone with Trump's credentials of being a felon, rapist, malignant narcissist dictator was running as a Democrat, I would not vote for them. You can't compare Trump with a "normal" candidate. And maybe you should go out and do something to make sure this doesn't happen again. Saying you are an independent doesn't absolve you of any responsibility. I didn’t expect you to take responsibility for your own failings when it’s easier to blame others. Thanks for meeting my expectations. i will do what I choose to do. I’m not crying, whining, frightened, or depressed because my choice didn’t prevail. I understand how our election system works. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 7, 2024 2:45:43 GMT
Give me a break. I am tired of people blaming Democrats for Trump. The responsibility lies with those who voted for him or for third party. THAT's IT! I have often said that it would be very unlikely that I would vote for a Republican at this time, but I won't say never. Because if someone with Trump's credentials of being a felon, rapist, malignant narcissist dictator was running as a Democrat, I would not vote for them. You can't compare Trump with a "normal" candidate. And maybe you should go out and do something to make sure this doesn't happen again. Saying you are an independent doesn't absolve you of any responsibility. I didn’t expect you to take responsibility for your own failings when it’s easier to blame others. Thanks for meeting my expectations. i will do what I choose to do. I’m not crying, whining, frightened, or depressed because my choice didn’t prevail. I understand how our election system works. What a strange rant. |
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Post by MsChiff on Nov 7, 2024 2:59:48 GMT
Y'all are a bunch of hypocrites. I've read numerous posts on here from Peas stating they would vote Democrat regardless who the Democrat candidate was. NUMEROUS. Yet when Republicans did the same, you call them ignorant, stupid, racist, misogynistic, etc. For doing the EXACT SAME THING a number of Democrats did. Contrary to what you believe, they're no more ________ (fill in the blank) than Democrats who supported Harris because she's a Democrat. Or women who voted for Harris because she's a woman. Or blacks who voted for Harris because she's black. Or men who voted for Trump because he's a man. Or whites who voted for Trump because he's white. I blame the Democratic Party for ensuring Trump's successful election. Are y'all REALLY so blind that you can't see that who you should be blaming for Trump's win are DEMOCRATS. Your party lost the election to Trump in 2016 when they ran a woman against him. Not just any woman, mind you, but one with a fair amount of political experience and recognition. Then they won the election in 2020 when they ran a man against him who also had a fair amount of political experience and recognition. Here we are in 2024 and the idiots making the decisions in the Democratic Party decide in their abject lack of wisdom to again put a woman against Trump. Not just any woman but one with far less political experience than the last woman that lost to him. And they gave her only 4 months to campaign. Seriously??? What they should have been spending the last 4 years doing is finding a strong male candidate that could beat Trump; but they chose not to. Not only did the Democratic Party foolishly decide to run a woman, but thousands of Democrats immediately started cheering and supporting their choice. KNOWING that the last woman they ran--one who was far more qualified than this one--couldn't beat Trump! KNOWING that the political climate in this country has become more, not less, divisive and more polarized since the 2016 election. I don't follow politics anywhere near the level that some/most of y'all do, but if I could clearly see that a woman wouldn't win against Trump why couldn't y'all? Why would you not challenge such a selection? Why would y'all not have been actively working the last 4 years to push your Party to identify a strong male candidate that most likely would win should Biden not be able to win? I understand wanting to see a great woman President. I'd ![]() it! But why on Earth would the Democratic Party take such a huge risk in such an important election? Arrogance? Ignorance? Stupidity? Quite possibly a combination of these. And why would registered Democrats applaud this as a good decision when it was clear she couldn't win? I can't think of a logical explanation. Perhaps those missing Democrat voters are men who couldn't bring themselves to vote for a woman... Rather than blaming Republicans for voting their party, y'all should be looking into why Democrats handed over the election. Going forward I'd be working my butt off to do every thing I could to ensure it doesn't happen again. Signed -- An Independent who did NOT vote for Trump I mean, this just explains how backward the US is. Look at other countries who have had female leaders. But not us! No, sireee! And really, how do you figure that Harris was not qualified enough to be President? She was the AG of a large state, a Senator, and the VP. She has far more experience than GW Bush or Obama had. And I suppose that *I* figured that it was obvious that Trump is getting addled, but maybe those bits weren’t played on Fox News. Trump is an obnoxious old man who doesn’t read. His intelligence briefings when he was President were heavy on pictures, light on text. He was caught with top secret papers, for God’s sake. I know that you didn’t vote for him, but blaming people who voted for a capable woman instead of blaming the people who wouldn’t vote for a woman makes no sense to me. I just re-read what I wrote. I did not say Kamala was not qualified enough to be President. I said she was less qualified than Hillary. And I said she inly had 4 months to campaign. I would not have voted for her if I believed she wasn’t qualified. I completely agree it’s sad that the US has never had a woman leader. I agree with what you say about Trump. I have no idea what has been shown on Fox News. Or CNN for that matter. None of this has any relevance to the fact that the Democratic Party completely failed in choosing a candidate that could beat Trump. And they had to know it when they chose her. Unless they’re as addled as Trump and Biden. |
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Post by moodyblue on Nov 7, 2024 3:46:15 GMT
Most analysis I’ve read and heard seems to be that it really was the economy. People voted for Trump because they remember prices being lower when he was President, and that they didn’t stress over the bills like they do now. And that the division in the country now is between college-educated and non-college, between socio-economic groups.
What truly disturbs me is that there is a very large section of the population who shrug their shoulders about Trump inciting an insurrection, and all his other flaws and character faults. For those of us who believe there is so much that should disqualify him for any office ever again (not to mention the first time), we can’t fathom even considering voting for him. We assumed that character matters - and it obviously doesn’t to many people.
Yes, I’m judgmental about people who think a little insurrection is no big deal.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Nov 7, 2024 4:04:33 GMT
I just realized that a good portion of my craft supplies are made in China so they will be going up. They are already $$ from just a few years ago. This could hurt a section of the economy that is already feeling it and declining.
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Post by katlady on Nov 7, 2024 6:12:06 GMT
What truly disturbs me is that there is a very large section of the population who shrug their shoulders about Trump inciting an insurrection, and all his other flaws and character faults. For those of us who believe there is so much that should disqualify him for any office ever again (not to mention the first time), we can’t fathom even considering voting for him. We assumed that character matters - and it obviously doesn’t to many people. Yes, this! I don't understand how they can overlook all his faults and things that actually come out of his mouth. He says he'll be a dictator on Day 1, and people will say he is just joking. When he says he'll impose a tariff - oh, he is just joking. I mean, he is actually saying this, yet his supporters say that he doesn't mean it. What?? I just realized that a good portion of my craft supplies are made in China so they will be going up. They are already $$ from just a few years ago. This could hurt a section of the economy that is already feeling it and declining. People don't realize how much of our goods are imported. And not just final goods either. Parts are also imported. One of my friends on IG commented that she can't wait for prices to come down when Trump is our president.  Keep dreaming! What worries me are the people Trump will surround himself with. Bannon, Stephen Miller, Elon, etc. They will all pull his strings and they all have their own agendas. You know Elon wants to be involved so he can influence regulations that will benefit his companies. To me, Bannon and Miller are just evil. I am hoping that nothing happens, that maybe Trump is just all talk, that maybe America will come out of the next 4 years in good shape, that sane voices will prevail. But I have a feeling it will get a bit rocky along the way and Americans will end up suffering in some way or another. Elon even said that America has to go through pain before it can rebuild. Yeah, him and all the billionaires will be just fine. It is the average Americans that will have to endure the pain. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 7, 2024 10:13:25 GMT
I mean, this just explains how backward the US is. Look at other countries who have had female leaders. But not us! No, sireee! And really, how do you figure that Harris was not qualified enough to be President? She was the AG of a large state, a Senator, and the VP. She has far more experience than GW Bush or Obama had. And I suppose that *I* figured that it was obvious that Trump is getting addled, but maybe those bits weren’t played on Fox News. Trump is an obnoxious old man who doesn’t read. His intelligence briefings when he was President were heavy on pictures, light on text. He was caught with top secret papers, for God’s sake. I know that you didn’t vote for him, but blaming people who voted for a capable woman instead of blaming the people who wouldn’t vote for a woman makes no sense to me. I just re-read what I wrote. I did not say Kamala was not qualified enough to be President. I said she was less qualified than Hillary. And I said she inly had 4 months to campaign. I would not have voted for her if I believed she wasn’t qualified. I completely agree it’s sad that the US has never had a woman leader. I agree with what you say about Trump. I have no idea what has been shown on Fox News. Or CNN for that matter. None of this has any relevance to the fact that the Democratic Party completely failed in choosing a candidate that could beat Trump. And they had to know it when they chose her. Unless they’re as addled as Trump and Biden. On paper, she should have beaten Trump. She’s younger, smarter, and the economy is, contrary to what a lot of people think, very good. I think that Democrats did make a mistake though. I certainly did. I expected that Americans would see that Trump is even worse than he was in 2016. He was having trouble formulating sentences on the campaign trail, which I found alarming. I thought that Americans would see that the Christian evangelicals supporting him want to bring Christian influence into this country, which is not what the Founding Fathers intended. I thought that more Americans understood inflation and tariffs. I thought that they would see that Trump was clearly running to stay out of prison. Hell, maybe they did see that and voted for him anyway. Democrats overestimated a large segment of the American public. It’s been a shock, TBH. |
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Post by purplebee on Nov 7, 2024 12:05:52 GMT
I seriously overestimated the basic goodness of the American people.
I seriously underestimated the level of hate, racism and misogyny in America.
I am horrified.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 7, 2024 13:34:09 GMT
What truly disturbs me is that there is a very large section of the population who shrug their shoulders about Trump inciting an insurrection, and all his other flaws and character faults. For those of us who believe there is so much that should disqualify him for any office ever again (not to mention the first time), we can’t fathom even considering voting for him. We assumed that character matters - and it obviously doesn’t to many people. Yes, this! I don't understand how they can overlook all his faults and things that actually come out of his mouth. He says he'll be a dictator on Day 1, and people will say he is just joking. When he says he'll impose a tariff - oh, he is just joking. I mean, he is actually saying this, yet his supporters say that he doesn't mean it. What?? I just realized that a good portion of my craft supplies are made in China so they will be going up. They are already $$ from just a few years ago. This could hurt a section of the economy that is already feeling it and declining. People don't realize how much of our goods are imported. And not just final goods either. Parts are also imported. One of my friends on IG commented that she can't wait for prices to come down when Trump is our president. Keep dreaming! What worries me are the people Trump will surround himself with. Bannon, Stephen Miller, Elon, etc. They will all pull his strings and they all have their own agendas. You know Elon wants to be involved so he can influence regulations that will benefit his companies. To me, Bannon and Miller are just evil. I am hoping that nothing happens, that maybe Trump is just all talk, that maybe America will come out of the next 4 years in good shape, that sane voices will prevail. But I have a feeling it will get a bit rocky along the way and Americans will end up suffering in some way or another. Elon even said that America has to go through pain before it can rebuild. Yeah, him and all the billionaires will be just fine. It is the average Americans that will have to endure the pain. He and the other billionairres will end up stronger because they will buy up all of the homes and businesses that the rest of us can't afford anymore. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 7, 2024 13:42:01 GMT
I just re-read what I wrote. I did not say Kamala was not qualified enough to be President. I said she was less qualified than Hillary. And I said she inly had 4 months to campaign. I would not have voted for her if I believed she wasn’t qualified. I completely agree it’s sad that the US has never had a woman leader. I agree with what you say about Trump. I have no idea what has been shown on Fox News. Or CNN for that matter. None of this has any relevance to the fact that the Democratic Party completely failed in choosing a candidate that could beat Trump. And they had to know it when they chose her. Unless they’re as addled as Trump and Biden. On paper, she should have beaten Trump. She’s younger, smarter, and the economy is, contrary to what a lot of people think, very good. I think that Democrats did make a mistake though. I certainly did. I expected that Americans would see that Trump is even worse than he was in 2016. He was having trouble formulating sentences on the campaign trail, which I found alarming. I thought that Americans would see that the Christian evangelicals supporting him want to bring Christian influence into this country, which is not what the Founding Fathers intended. I thought that more Americans understood inflation and tariffs. I thought that they would see that Trump was clearly running to stay out of prison. Hell, maybe they did see that and voted for him anyway. Democrats overestimated a large segment of the American public. It’s been a shock, TBH. I don't think we can underestimate the power of social media. The lies and misinformation played a big part, IMO. People fell for it. I mean, even bringing up the idea that eggs are $7 a dozen. Where is that? Or eating dogs and cats? Or immigrants being all criminals? Or even crime rates? Republicans work people up based on inflammatory rhetoric. I mean, they even ignored all of Trump's nasty things he says about people but then have the nerve to say that Kamala was horrible because she said Trump was a fascist (based on his own people saying that) or Biden saying his supporters are trash. The double standard is real and I don't know how to combat that. |
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Post by huskergal on Nov 7, 2024 14:47:52 GMT
Y'all are a bunch of hypocrites. I've read numerous posts on here from Peas stating they would vote Democrat regardless who the Democrat candidate was. NUMEROUS. Yet when Republicans did the same, you call them ignorant, stupid, racist, misogynistic, etc. For doing the EXACT SAME THING a number of Democrats did. Contrary to what you believe, they're no more ________ (fill in the blank) than Democrats who supported Harris because she's a Democrat. Or women who voted for Harris because she's a woman. Or blacks who voted for Harris because she's black. Or men who voted for Trump because he's a man. Or whites who voted for Trump because he's white. I blame the Democratic Party for ensuring Trump's successful election. Are y'all REALLY so blind that you can't see that who you should be blaming for Trump's win are DEMOCRATS. Your party lost the election to Trump in 2016 when they ran a woman against him. Not just any woman, mind you, but one with a fair amount of political experience and recognition. Then they won the election in 2020 when they ran a man against him who also had a fair amount of political experience and recognition. Here we are in 2024 and the idiots making the decisions in the Democratic Party decide in their abject lack of wisdom to again put a woman against Trump. Not just any woman but one with far less political experience than the last woman that lost to him. And they gave her only 4 months to campaign. Seriously??? What they should have been spending the last 4 years doing is finding a strong male candidate that could beat Trump; but they chose not to. Not only did the Democratic Party foolishly decide to run a woman, but thousands of Democrats immediately started cheering and supporting their choice. KNOWING that the last woman they ran--one who was far more qualified than this one--couldn't beat Trump! KNOWING that the political climate in this country has become more, not less, divisive and more polarized since the 2016 election. I don't follow politics anywhere near the level that some/most of y'all do, but if I could clearly see that a woman wouldn't win against Trump why couldn't y'all? Why would you not challenge such a selection? Why would y'all not have been actively working the last 4 years to push your Party to identify a strong male candidate that most likely would win should Biden not be able to win? I understand wanting to see a great woman President. I'd LOVE it! But why on Earth would the Democratic Party take such a huge risk in such an important election? Arrogance? Ignorance? Stupidity? Quite possibly a combination of these. And why would registered Democrats applaud this as a good decision when it was clear she couldn't win? I can't think of a logical explanation. Perhaps those missing Democrat voters are men who couldn't bring themselves to vote for a woman... Rather than blaming Republicans for voting their party, y'all should be looking into why Democrats handed over the election. Going forward I'd be working my butt off to do every thing I could to ensure it doesn't happen again. Signed -- An Independent who did NOT vote for Trump I will agree with a great deal that you said. I don't think they had a choice with Harris. There was not enough time. It is also the double-edged sword of if they don't pick Harris, why was she the VP. If you don't trust her to be President, she should have never been in that position. I told my husband last night, the Democrats need to begin their search for an engaging, 40-50 something moderate white man to run in 2028. I believe Bernie would have been Trump in 2016. He was my candidate of choice. I know the youth were excited. The Democratic Party does have a lot to answer for. |
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Post by huskergal on Nov 7, 2024 14:55:59 GMT
I truly believe the vast majority of people who voted for Trump just think he is being funny. I don't think they believe what he says. They just excuse it. It is truly sad.
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Post by Olan on Nov 7, 2024 15:29:09 GMT
C&P’d below is a think piece that I thought was a good read.
Of course white America chose Trump—a rapist, a convicted felon, a liar, a treasonist, a fraudster, a demagogue who fans the flames of division and race hate.
But why?
Because this is what a racist capitalist system requires. Trump is the perfect embodiment of an old, familiar narrative. He is an echo of the so-called pioneers of America, who were Europe’s outcasts and refuse: debtors, criminals, society's castoffs, and undesirables desperate to escape the consequences of their miserable lives back home in the Old World.
Trump’s appeal lies in this shared history and the unspoken understanding that his lawlessness and brazen disregard for norms are not deviations but reflections of the founding spirit of white conquest. He represents a lineage that celebrates taking by force, that glamorizes rule-breaking as a way to get ahead, and that justifies violence if it means securing dominance. He embodies the reckless ambition of their ancestors, who claimed ownership over lands that weren’t theirs, who built wealth on the backs of enslaved people, and who believed that might made right.
This is why Trump’s crimes and moral failures don’t deter his supporters. His deviance affirms his legitimacy. To them, he’s not a disgrace but a champion of the same ruthless entitlement that their ancestors wielded.
The lies he tells, the chaos he creates, the fear he sows—these are not flaws in their eyes but battle tactics in the ongoing fight to maintain white supremacy. In Trump, white America sees a reflection of the legacy they are unwilling to disown, a legacy built on theft, oppression, and unearned privilege, masked by myths of manifest destiny and divine right. He is their chosen vessel, their savior, carrying forward a tradition that has always valued dominance over justice, power over decency, and self-interest over the common good.
Trump is their daddy. He's the patriarch who gives them permission to be their worst selves without shame, who strokes their egos and tells them that their entitlement is justified, their ignorance is patriotic, and their cruelty is strength.
He’s the authoritarian father figure they crave because he validates their fears and insecurities, assuring them that they are the rightful heirs to America’s greatness. He gives them permission to blame everyone else—immigrants, Black people, liberals—for their grievances.
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If you’d be so kind as to….disarm the men in your life the whole of society would thank you. I’ve said this before search to find the year and context. It was before the daily school shootings BTW.
Lastly think about the one actionable thing you can do to help a vulnerable population.
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on Nov 7, 2024 15:53:38 GMT
This. I think if they had done this time around instead of choosing Biden and then Harris, that they could have won. Biden just wasn't a good choice from the get-go because of his age and declining health and cognition. I never did understand why they didn't search (from the beginning) for a younger, dynamic candidate that could ignite the voters and get people excited to see him/her win.
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Post by gar on Nov 7, 2024 16:01:15 GMT
This. I think if they had done this time around instead of choosing Biden and then Harris, that they could have won. Biden just wasn't a good choice from the get-go because of his age and declining health and cognition. Err irony anyone? |
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Post by scrappinmama on Nov 7, 2024 16:24:38 GMT
Y'all are a bunch of hypocrites. I've read numerous posts on here from Peas stating they would vote Democrat regardless who the Democrat candidate was. NUMEROUS. Yet when Republicans did the same, you call them ignorant, stupid, racist, misogynistic, etc. For doing the EXACT SAME THING a number of Democrats did. Contrary to what you believe, they're no more ________ (fill in the blank) than Democrats who supported Harris because she's a Democrat. Or women who voted for Harris because she's a woman. Or blacks who voted for Harris because she's black. Or men who voted for Trump because he's a man. Or whites who voted for Trump because he's white. I blame the Democratic Party for ensuring Trump's successful election. Are y'all REALLY so blind that you can't see that who you should be blaming for Trump's win are DEMOCRATS. Your party lost the election to Trump in 2016 when they ran a woman against him. Not just any woman, mind you, but one with a fair amount of political experience and recognition. Then they won the election in 2020 when they ran a man against him who also had a fair amount of political experience and recognition. Here we are in 2024 and the idiots making the decisions in the Democratic Party decide in their abject lack of wisdom to again put a woman against Trump. Not just any woman but one with far less political experience than the last woman that lost to him. And they gave her only 4 months to campaign. Seriously??? What they should have been spending the last 4 years doing is finding a strong male candidate that could beat Trump; but they chose not to. Not only did the Democratic Party foolishly decide to run a woman, but thousands of Democrats immediately started cheering and supporting their choice. KNOWING that the last woman they ran--one who was far more qualified than this one--couldn't beat Trump! KNOWING that the political climate in this country has become more, not less, divisive and more polarized since the 2016 election. I don't follow politics anywhere near the level that some/most of y'all do, but if I could clearly see that a woman wouldn't win against Trump why couldn't y'all? Why would you not challenge such a selection? Why would y'all not have been actively working the last 4 years to push your Party to identify a strong male candidate that most likely would win should Biden not be able to win? I understand wanting to see a great woman President. I'd LOVE it! But why on Earth would the Democratic Party take such a huge risk in such an important election? Arrogance? Ignorance? Stupidity? Quite possibly a combination of these. And why would registered Democrats applaud this as a good decision when it was clear she couldn't win? I can't think of a logical explanation. Perhaps those missing Democrat voters are men who couldn't bring themselves to vote for a woman... Rather than blaming Republicans for voting their party, y'all should be looking into why Democrats handed over the election. Going forward I'd be working my butt off to do every thing I could to ensure it doesn't happen again. Signed -- An Independent who did NOT vote for Trump There is a lot to digest here. And some valid questions. Part of it was that so many could see Biden's decline, especially after the debate. They could see the writing on the wall. She was a qualified candidate. And she was a qualified candidate. The hope was that maybe this time people would vote for a more qualified female after witnessing what Trump did during his first presidency. I'm angry at my party. I'm angry at the voters who chose the promise of cheaper groceries without looking at who Trump is as a person. And I hope that the Democratic party sees this all as a kick in the ass to make some changes. Signed- a Democrat who has voted Republican before, but would never vote for Trump and will probably never vote Republican again after all of this. |
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Post by scrappinmama on Nov 7, 2024 16:26:23 GMT
This. I think if they had done this time around instead of choosing Biden and then Harris, that they could have won. Biden just wasn't a good choice from the get-go because of his age and declining health and cognition. Err irony anyone? Right? It's like no one is noticing Trump's decline. But you know, cheaper gas and groceries so they voted for another declining white dude. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 7, 2024 16:28:23 GMT
This. I think if they had done this time around instead of choosing Biden and then Harris, that they could have won. Biden just wasn't a good choice from the get-go because of his age and declining health and cognition. I never did understand why they didn't search (from the beginning) for a younger, dynamic candidate that could ignite the voters and get people excited to see him/her win. Republicans can be lawless while Democrats have to be flawless. |
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