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Post by jonda1974 on Apr 30, 2015 21:22:27 GMT
The rioters should be happy that the police got to the convenience store before they did to get the additional tape. Apparently the original copy of it, along with the video equipment was looted and destroyed when they burned down his business on Monday.
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Post by AnotherPea on Apr 30, 2015 21:40:01 GMT
interesting factoid from the WaPo article - seatbelts only became required six days before Gray was arrested. For the outrage I've seen about him NOT being in a seat belt this came as a surprise to me.
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Post by foolana on May 1, 2015 0:25:46 GMT
Pretty interesting breakdown. 2 minute drive to police station from where he was arrested. Wonder what took them so long to get to the police station. Breakdown of Freddie GrayThank you for posting that. It was quite compelling.
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Post by foolana on May 1, 2015 0:28:45 GMT
The rioters should be happy that the police got to the convenience store before they did to get the additional tape. Apparently the original copy of it, along with the video equipment was looted and destroyed when they burned down his business on Monday. You do realize that there has been no violence by protestors since Monday, right? You seem oddly concerned with the riot but not at all concerned with the fact that Freddie Gray was killed while in police custody.
You're missing the big picture by obsessing over some people who rioted instead of being upset that someone was killed in police custody. I don't get you.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 1, 2015 1:07:57 GMT
The rioters should be happy that the police got to the convenience store before they did to get the additional tape. Apparently the original copy of it, along with the video equipment was looted and destroyed when they burned down his business on Monday. You do realize that there has been no violence by protestors since Monday, right? You seem oddly concerned with the riot but not at all concerned with the fact that Freddie Gray was killed while in police custody.
You're missing the big picture by obsessing over some people who rioted instead of being upset that someone was killed in police custody. I don't get you.
And there is something wrong with you that you are missing the bigger picture. these RIOTER's have destroyed the livelihoods of many many innocent people, cost ithers jobs, have hurt and destroyed persons and property when all the facts are not known as to what happened. We know you hate cops. Period. That is all your one track mind can see and fervently obsess over. Where is the justice for those who have been displaced, had their business looted, and personal property destroyed? Not one of those RIOTER's will be held accountable, the police had to stand down and watch it happen because of those who broke the law. No one has been arrested for the death of Freddie Gray, no charges have been brought as of this time, and the investigation is still on for that. It is YOU who is missing the big picture on all this because of your hatred for police. You do nothing but incite just like a rioter. Those people you call protesters who were committing the illegal acts---the are criminals.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 3:11:06 GMT
If I heard repetitive banging, I also would assume prisoner was trying to injure himself. Yeah, I imagine if you're riding along and the ride is not affecting you, but you hear the other guy in the next cell (or whatever it is) banging around, you think something like temper tantrum or going for a lawsuit payout or both.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 3:13:24 GMT
You do realize that there has been no violence by protestors since Monday, right? You seem oddly concerned with the riot but not at all concerned with the fact that Freddie Gray was killed while in police custody.
You're missing the big picture by obsessing over some people who rioted instead of being upset that someone was killed in police custody. I don't get you.
And there is something wrong with you that you are missing the bigger picture. these RIOTER's have destroyed the livelihoods of many many innocent people, cost ithers jobs, have hurt and destroyed persons and property when all the facts are not known as to what happened. We know you hate cops. Period. That is all your one track mind can see and fervently obsess over. Where is the justice for those who have been displaced, had their business looted, and personal property destroyed? Not one of those RIOTER's will be held accountable, the police had to stand down and watch it happen because of those who broke the law. No one has been arrested for the death of Freddie Gray, no charges have been brought as of this time, and the investigation is still on for that. It is YOU who is missing the big picture on all this because of your hatred for police. You do nothing but incite just like a rioter.Those people you call protesters who were committing the illegal acts---the are criminals. Exactly. Every post she makes is designed for that.
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Post by marykate on May 1, 2015 4:01:16 GMT
"Temper tantrum"!? "Lawsuit payout"!? I'm trying to imagine a standard of human decency which would allow for free-wheeling speculation in accordance with the above hypothetical explanations. My bad. Can't quite reconcile basic human decency with the above hypotheses. Call it a failure of imagination. Here's another hypothetical thought experiment: what if Freddie Gray was writhing around in pain from a previously (but very recently) inflicted injury, and then he slammed hard into the back of the van because he was not belted in (which the B'more police concede he should have been), and the violence of the impact was enough to break his neck? Of course, I don't know what exactly happened. But neither do you. Why the presumptive hostility toward Freddie Gray, a 25-year old man who should NOT have died in police custody, who should still be alive?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 4:35:28 GMT
"Temper tantrum"!? "Lawsuit payout"!? I'm trying to imagine a standard of human decency which would allow for free-wheeling speculation in accordance with the above hypothetical explanations. My bad. Can't quite reconcile basic human decency with the above hypotheses. Call it a failure of imagination. Here's another hypothetical thought experiment: what if Freddie Gray was writhing around in pain from a previously (but very recently) inflicted injury, and then he slammed hard into the back of the van because he was not belted in (which the B'more police concede he should have been), and the violence of the impact was enough to break his neck? Of course, I don't know what exactly happened. But neither do you. Why the presumptive hostility toward Freddie Gray, a 25-year old man who should NOT have died in police custody, who should still be alive? It was a flow of discussion starting with the other prisoner saying that it sounded like Freddie was trying to hurt himself, then onto someone's question of how would the other prisoner know if he couldn't see him, to the thought that if you, yourself are not being thrown about the van, then the other guy must be doing it to himself. My response stemmed from his thought that "he was trying to hurt himself". I didn't just pull it out of thin air. Your hypothetical could absolutely be the case and actually went through my mind when I first heard of the other prisoners statement, but again my response was in response to the thought process of the other criminal, who had no idea that Freddie had recent surgery or any injuries. I also just yesterday listened to police officer talk about how people taken into custody damage their computers and equipment and windshields by kicking and thrashing so often, and they split their heads open by smashing them against the window so often that nylon cord (or something) has become standard issue to hog tie out of control prisoners. I have always been the one who says we don't know all the facts. I was only responding to a question about the thought process of the other prisoner and it had nothing to do with my human deceny.
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Post by missmiss on May 1, 2015 14:55:33 GMT
If it is a 2 min drive to the police station to where Freddie Gray was arrested why did it take them 40 minutes to get to the police station? That would be a good question to have answered.
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Post by Olan on May 1, 2015 15:07:54 GMT
"Temper tantrum"!? "Lawsuit payout"!? I'm trying to imagine a standard of human decency which would allow for free-wheeling speculation in accordance with the above hypothetical explanations. My bad. Can't quite reconcile basic human decency with the above hypotheses. Call it a failure of imagination. Here's another hypothetical thought experiment: what if Freddie Gray was writhing around in pain from a previously (but very recently) inflicted injury, and then he slammed hard into the back of the van because he was not belted in (which the B'more police concede he should have been), and the violence of the impact was enough to break his neck? Of course, I don't know what exactly happened. But neither do you. Why the presumptive hostility toward Freddie Gray, a 25-year old man who should NOT have died in police custody, who should still be alive? I think its difficult for some people to view black men as human beings. In the same vein that slavemasters likened them to livestock. That is why it's easy to read about a black man being killed and then setting out to make him culpable in his own death. I am glad charges are being brought against the real criminals in this case.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on May 1, 2015 15:15:42 GMT
I think its difficult for some people to view black men as human beings. In the same vein that slavemasters likened them to livestock. That is why it's easy to read about a black man being killed and then setting out to make him culpable in his own death. I am glad charges are being brought against the real criminals in this case. Additionally in the report (in response to further claims he was responsible for his own death:
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 15:17:06 GMT
"Temper tantrum"!? "Lawsuit payout"!? I'm trying to imagine a standard of human decency which would allow for free-wheeling speculation in accordance with the above hypothetical explanations. My bad. Can't quite reconcile basic human decency with the above hypotheses. Call it a failure of imagination. Here's another hypothetical thought experiment: what if Freddie Gray was writhing around in pain from a previously (but very recently) inflicted injury, and then he slammed hard into the back of the van because he was not belted in (which the B'more police concede he should have been), and the violence of the impact was enough to break his neck? Of course, I don't know what exactly happened. But neither do you. Why the presumptive hostility toward Freddie Gray, a 25-year old man who should NOT have died in police custody, who should still be alive?
Bears repeating 1000X over
Trust me....there are those on this board that a black man could be standing doing nothing but waiting for the light to turn, be arrested and turn up dead or get shot (sometimes in the back) and the blame is ALWAYS going to be on the black victim. I've seen a gazillion posts with this kind of attitude over the years so excuse me if I don't quite buy the call out bullshit on foolana and her perceived bias......it goes BOTH WAYS. Victim shaming is sport on this board, especially if they are a minority.
We get it.....the police NEVER do anything wrong, the police are always properly trained, the police ALWAYS hire people who are right for the job. I'm a daughter of a LE officer, turned US Marshal and the daughter of a LE dispatcher and grew up and have been around cops my entire life. There are some fine, dedicated honorable brave LE's out there and there are some assholes who shouldn't be wearing the uniform or at the very least get properly trained.
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Post by marykate on May 1, 2015 15:22:30 GMT
"Temper tantrum"!? "Lawsuit payout"!? I'm trying to imagine a standard of human decency which would allow for free-wheeling speculation in accordance with the above hypothetical explanations. My bad. Can't quite reconcile basic human decency with the above hypotheses. Call it a failure of imagination. Here's another hypothetical thought experiment: what if Freddie Gray was writhing around in pain from a previously (but very recently) inflicted injury, and then he slammed hard into the back of the van because he was not belted in (which the B'more police concede he should have been), and the violence of the impact was enough to break his neck? Of course, I don't know what exactly happened. But neither do you. Why the presumptive hostility toward Freddie Gray, a 25-year old man who should NOT have died in police custody, who should still be alive? It was a flow of discussion starting with the other prisoner saying that it sounded like Freddie was trying to hurt himself, then onto someone's question of how would the other prisoner know if he couldn't see him, to the thought that if you, yourself are not being thrown about the van, then the other guy must be doing it to himself. My response stemmed from his thought that "he was trying to hurt himself". I didn't just pull it out of thin air. Your hypothetical could absolutely be the case and actually went through my mind when I first heard of the other prisoners statement, but again my response was in response to the thought process of the other criminal, who had no idea that Freddie had recent surgery or any injuries. I also just yesterday listened to police officer talk about how people taken into custody damage their computers and equipment and windshields by kicking and thrashing so often, and they split their heads open by smashing them against the window so often that nylon cord (or something) has become standard issue to hog tie out of control prisoners. I have always been the one who says we don't know all the facts. I was only responding to a question about the thought process of the other prisoner and it had nothing to do with my human deceny. Yes, it's true we don't have all the facts. We do know that Freddie Gray sustained very serious (fatal) injuries and that he died of these injuries. To speak of a "temper tantrum," to suggest that the man was angling for a "lawsuit payout" just strikes me as jaw-droppingly callous and inhumane.
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Post by nurseypants on May 1, 2015 15:29:05 GMT
It was a flow of discussion starting with the other prisoner saying that it sounded like Freddie was trying to hurt himself, then onto someone's question of how would the other prisoner know if he couldn't see him, to the thought that if you, yourself are not being thrown about the van, then the other guy must be doing it to himself. My response stemmed from his thought that "he was trying to hurt himself". I didn't just pull it out of thin air. Your hypothetical could absolutely be the case and actually went through my mind when I first heard of the other prisoners statement, but again my response was in response to the thought process of the other criminal, who had no idea that Freddie had recent surgery or any injuries. I also just yesterday listened to police officer talk about how people taken into custody damage their computers and equipment and windshields by kicking and thrashing so often, and they split their heads open by smashing them against the window so often that nylon cord (or something) has become standard issue to hog tie out of control prisoners. I have always been the one who says we don't know all the facts. I was only responding to a question about the thought process of the other prisoner and it had nothing to do with my human deceny. Yes, it's true we don't have all the facts. We do know that Freddie Gray sustained very serious (fatal) injuries and that he died of these injuries. To speak of a "temper tantrum," to suggest that the man was angling for a "lawsuit payout" just strikes me as jaw-droppingly callous and inhumane. Pretty sure I can tell your 'thought process' from about a mile away.
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Post by grinningcat on May 1, 2015 15:39:34 GMT
I watched the press conference with the States Attorney. I am positively shocked and sickened by the timeline she laid out. The indifference to Mr. Grey's well being while in custody is absolutely appalling. It is unfathomable to me to treat someone so callously while they are in your charge. I just don't understand it. It will be interesting to see how the trial goes and how the reaction will unfold. I was very impressed by how she handled the information and the press.
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Post by annabella on May 1, 2015 15:54:34 GMT
I think its difficult for some people to view black men as human beings. In the same vein that slavemasters likened them to livestock. That is why it's easy to read about a black man being killed and then setting out to make him culpable in his own death. I am glad charges are being brought against the real criminals in this case. I don't think it's a human being issue, it's the fact that he has a long wrap sheet and was in and out of jail. But this situation got spinned into a black issue.
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Post by annabella on May 1, 2015 15:57:26 GMT
I do agree that the police are responsible for his death and that's terrible. My question is were they required to go straight to the police station, or since they have a big van do they typically wait to fill it up? I saw an interview with the other passenger of the van and I wouldn't believe a word he says. Especially now after knowing this is a high profile case he could spin his story.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 15:57:41 GMT
Oh wow, this all came out while I was at DS's school this morning. I'm sickened, but glad that there is a chance for justice to be served in this horrendous case.
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Post by foolana on May 1, 2015 16:08:28 GMT
I'm so happy those charges were found. His arrest was illegal and them those bastards let him break his neck in that van and didn't get him medical assistance for almost an hour. I hope they all go to prison for life.
Mr. Gray was merely found guilty of standing while black and was given the death penalty by those officers. I hope this case brings forth all the other incidences of this type of terrible police crime against black men.
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Post by elaine on May 1, 2015 16:09:12 GMT
I'm glad that the police officers will get the chance to have their cases heard in court, unlike Gray. Unless they are all going to be given rough rides on the way to prison, that is.
As I said on another thread, the small percentage of LEO who do illegally assault civilians need to be prosecuted if some LEO cultures will ever change. Hopefully, the powers-that-be will finally comprehend that the small percentage of violent LEO make the jobs of the vast majority of LEO, who are law-abiding, valiant professionals, much harder and dangerous, as targeted portions of the public view them as the enemy.
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Post by foolana on May 1, 2015 16:11:13 GMT
"Temper tantrum"!? "Lawsuit payout"!? I'm trying to imagine a standard of human decency which would allow for free-wheeling speculation in accordance with the above hypothetical explanations. My bad. Can't quite reconcile basic human decency with the above hypotheses. Call it a failure of imagination. Here's another hypothetical thought experiment: what if Freddie Gray was writhing around in pain from a previously (but very recently) inflicted injury, and then he slammed hard into the back of the van because he was not belted in (which the B'more police concede he should have been), and the violence of the impact was enough to break his neck? Of course, I don't know what exactly happened. But neither do you. Why the presumptive hostility toward Freddie Gray, a 25-year old man who should NOT have died in police custody, who should still be alive? I think its difficult for some people to view black men as human beings. In the same vein that slavemasters likened them to livestock. That is why it's easy to read about a black man being killed and then setting out to make him culpable in his own death. I am glad charges are being brought against the real criminals in this case. No one here will ever admit to feeling that way but I know for sure that you are 100% right.
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Post by foolana on May 1, 2015 16:12:27 GMT
I think its difficult for some people to view black men as human beings. In the same vein that slavemasters likened them to livestock. That is why it's easy to read about a black man being killed and then setting out to make him culpable in his own death. I am glad charges are being brought against the real criminals in this case. I don't think it's a human being issue, it's the fact that he has a long wrap sheet and was in and out of jail. But this situation got spinned into a black issue. Sorry but that is complete and utter nonsense.
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Post by boxermom73 on May 1, 2015 16:28:35 GMT
I think its difficult for some people to view black men as human beings. In the same vein that slavemasters likened them to livestock. That is why it's easy to read about a black man being killed and then setting out to make him culpable in his own death. I am glad charges are being brought against the real criminals in this case. No one here will ever admit to feeling that way but I know for sure that you are 100% right. I was trying to say this on the " gay rights thread about the cake" people hide what they are and if forced to change to save their business or livelihood, they will pretend and lie! I would rather you be like the obvious skinhead or kkk member and just come out and say what you really think instead of being PC and stating statistic's and facts to try and prove what you want to believe anyway... When things like this happen your comments show who you are...
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Post by conchita on May 1, 2015 17:03:47 GMT
"Temper tantrum"!? "Lawsuit payout"!? I'm trying to imagine a standard of human decency which would allow for free-wheeling speculation in accordance with the above hypothetical explanations. My bad. Can't quite reconcile basic human decency with the above hypotheses. Call it a failure of imagination. Here's another hypothetical thought experiment: what if Freddie Gray was writhing around in pain from a previously (but very recently) inflicted injury, and then he slammed hard into the back of the van because he was not belted in (which the B'more police concede he should have been), and the violence of the impact was enough to break his neck? Of course, I don't know what exactly happened. But neither do you. Why the presumptive hostility toward Freddie Gray, a 25-year old man who should NOT have died in police custody, who should still be alive? I think its difficult for some people to view black men as human beings. In the same vein that slavemasters likened them to livestock. That is why it's easy to read about a black man being killed and then setting out to make him culpable in his own death. I am glad charges are being brought against the real criminals in this case. There was a 17 year old slave named Jesse Washington who was tried and convicted of murdering a woman. He was then brutally tortured and lynched by a mob. If anyone has time, look up, "The Waco Horror". Look at the pictures, read about the judges, chief of police and mayor's involvement in allowing that young boy to be taken by a mob. That happened in 1916. In current years, propositions have been made to put up a plaque or memorial of atonement but each time it is met with silence and hostility by council members. To this day they see that that boy had it coming and deserved what he got. So, yes, I still see many in our community today who don't see black men as anything but criminals. Just read through some of the comments on social media. They may not lynch black men in the streets anymore but black men are still dying and being dismissed because they were criminals.
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Post by thatgirlintexas on May 1, 2015 17:35:04 GMT
I do agree that the police are responsible for his death and that's terrible. My question is were they required to go straight to the police station, or since they have a big van do they typically wait to fill it up? I saw an interview with the other passenger of the van and I wouldn't believe a word he says. Especially now after knowing this is a high profile case he could spin his story. My question is why was he in the van in the first place since he didn't do anything wrong. By all accounts all he did was make eye contact with a police officer. And please, don't bring up the "but he ran from the police" argument. If I lived in that neighborhood and I thought the police were going to arrest me for no reason I would run hoping on the off chance I could get away.
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Post by foolana on May 1, 2015 17:38:27 GMT
I think its difficult for some people to view black men as human beings. In the same vein that slavemasters likened them to livestock. That is why it's easy to read about a black man being killed and then setting out to make him culpable in his own death. I am glad charges are being brought against the real criminals in this case. There was a 17 year old slave named Jesse Washington who was tried and convicted of murdering a woman. He was then brutally tortured and lynched by a mob. If anyone has time, look up, "The Waco Horror". Look at the pictures, read about the judges, chief of police and mayor's involvement in allowing that young boy to be taken by a mob. That happened in 1916. In current years, propositions have been made to put up a plaque or memorial of atonement but each time it is met with silence and hostility by council members. To this day they see that that boy had it coming and deserved what he got. So, yes, I still see many in our community today who don't see black men as anything but criminals. Just read through some of the comments on social media. They may not lynch black men in the streets anymore but black men are still dying and being dismissed because they were criminals. I just looked it up and it was horrible. Horrendous and disgusting.
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Post by conchita on May 1, 2015 17:51:42 GMT
There was a 17 year old slave named Jesse Washington who was tried and convicted of murdering a woman. He was then brutally tortured and lynched by a mob. If anyone has time, look up, "The Waco Horror". Look at the pictures, read about the judges, chief of police and mayor's involvement in allowing that young boy to be taken by a mob. That happened in 1916. In current years, propositions have been made to put up a plaque or memorial of atonement but each time it is met with silence and hostility by council members. To this day they see that that boy had it coming and deserved what he got. So, yes, I still see many in our community today who don't see black men as anything but criminals. Just read through some of the comments on social media. They may not lynch black men in the streets anymore but black men are still dying and being dismissed because they were criminals. I just looked it up and it was horrible. Horrendous and disgusting. Did you read some of the more current news articles? That's where it gets jaw dropping astounding. They had a couple of opportunities to make some atonement and it's still met with hostility to this day! There's a mural in the courthouse an artist painted in 1970 with that hanging tree depicted. But many believe that boy got what was coming to him.
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Post by jonda1974 on May 1, 2015 17:59:21 GMT
The rioters should be happy that the police got to the convenience store before they did to get the additional tape. Apparently the original copy of it, along with the video equipment was looted and destroyed when they burned down his business on Monday. You do realize that there has been no violence by protestors since Monday, right? You seem oddly concerned with the riot but not at all concerned with the fact that Freddie Gray was killed while in police custody.
You're missing the big picture by obsessing over some people who rioted instead of being upset that someone was killed in police custody. I don't get you.
Surprisingly I can be upset by both. Freddie's death was tragic, and until today, was not labeled murder. Now it is, and rightfully so, it will be dealt with by our court system. What you seem to be missing is the fact that the effects of the rioting and destruction in Baltimore is much more far reaching and long lasting for a much larger group of people. Some have lost everything in the destruction of their business. And the rioters my have almost wiped out potentially crucial evidence because they were stupid thugs.
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Post by jonda1974 on May 1, 2015 18:03:23 GMT
"Temper tantrum"!? "Lawsuit payout"!? I'm trying to imagine a standard of human decency which would allow for free-wheeling speculation in accordance with the above hypothetical explanations. My bad. Can't quite reconcile basic human decency with the above hypotheses. Call it a failure of imagination. Here's another hypothetical thought experiment: what if Freddie Gray was writhing around in pain from a previously (but very recently) inflicted injury, and then he slammed hard into the back of the van because he was not belted in (which the B'more police concede he should have been), and the violence of the impact was enough to break his neck? Of course, I don't know what exactly happened. But neither do you. Why the presumptive hostility toward Freddie Gray, a 25-year old man who should NOT have died in police custody, who should still be alive? I think its difficult for some people to view black men as human beings. In the same vein that slavemasters likened them to livestock. That is why it's easy to read about a black man being killed and then setting out to make him culpable in his own death. I am glad charges are being brought against the real criminals in this case. Oh please. There are so many things I could say, but the first part of your post is so over the top if I roll my eyes any farther back, I really will have eyes in the back of my head.
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