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Post by elaine on May 5, 2015 21:40:35 GMT
I believe they're in the process of working on that. Rodney King only happened 23 years ago... How many decades is the process supposed to take?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 21:56:36 GMT
I believe they're in the process of working on that. Rodney King only happened 23 years ago... How many decades is the process supposed to take? You would have to ask the people running Baltimore. The way things are there isn't news to them. They've known for decades.
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Post by elaine on May 5, 2015 21:59:15 GMT
Rodney King only happened 23 years ago... How many decades is the process supposed to take? You would have to ask the people running Baltimore. But the problem isn't JUST in Baltimore. If you think it is, you really don't understand what is going on with our country. It is a societal decades old problem and why there were protests all over the nation related to Ferguson, and would probably have been again if there wasn't swift action taken to charge the officers in Baltimore. That it isn't just a Baltimore issue is painfully obvious.
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Post by elaine on May 5, 2015 22:01:37 GMT
Rodney King only happened 23 years ago... How many decades is the process supposed to take? You would have to ask the people running Baltimore. The way things are there isn't news to them. They've known for decades. And since you've edited - to respond to the addition. That it has been going on for decades is the very reason people are protesting. Isn't that obvious? How many decades do you expect people to tolerate a climate of police brutality by a percentage of LEO that hasn't been changed? Hence, the protests. Hence, the convenient situations for looters to exploit. No brutality = no protests = no looting
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 22:10:36 GMT
You would have to ask the people running Baltimore. The way things are there isn't news to them. They've known for decades. And since you've edited - to respond to the addition. That it has been going on for decades is the very reason people are protesting. Isn't that obvious? How many decades do you expect people to tolerate a climate of police brutality by a percentage of LEO that hasn't been changed? Hence, the protests. Hence, the convenient situations for looters to exploit. No brutality = no protests = no looting Again, let's ask those in charge. I'm not sure why you're coming at me as if I did this. All I said was that the riots will have long-term impact and it's okay to be upset about that and talk about it.
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Post by elaine on May 5, 2015 22:20:16 GMT
And since you've edited - to respond to the addition. That it has been going on for decades is the very reason people are protesting. Isn't that obvious? How many decades do you expect people to tolerate a climate of police brutality by a percentage of LEO that hasn't been changed? Hence, the protests. Hence, the convenient situations for looters to exploit. No brutality = no protests = no looting Again, let's ask those in charge. I'm not sure why you're coming at me as if I did this. All I said was that the riots will have long-term impact and it's okay to be upset about that and talk about it. I am sorry as if it came across as if I were upset with you. I am not. When a previous poster made a good point about resolving the issues that led to the protests which were used as an excuse to loot, you simply told her that they were working on it. To me, it came across as if you thought that since people were supposedly were "working on it" that there wouldn't be reasons for protests any more. I responded to that point that I thought you were making, because "working on it" (it being police brutality against targeted groups) as a society, has been going on for 23 years and little significant has changed. Until real change happens, I don't begrudge protests. The looting is criminal and those looters should be prosecuted. And, as long as we continue to have incidents that spur protests, there will be criminals who exploit those situations.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 22:21:03 GMT
Rodney King only happened 23 years ago... How many decades is the process supposed to take? You would have to ask the people running Baltimore. The way things are there isn't news to them. They've known for decades. Well apparently they are tired of it. And Not just in Baltimore it would seem.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 22:38:40 GMT
Again, let's ask those in charge. I'm not sure why you're coming at me as if I did this. All I said was that the riots will have long-term impact and it's okay to be upset about that and talk about it. I am sorry as if it came across as if I were upset with you. I am not. When a previous poster made a good point about resolving the issues that led to the protests which were used as an excuse to loot, you simply told her that they were working on it. To me, it came across as if you thought that since people were supposedly were "working on it" that there wouldn't be reasons for protests any more.I responded to that point that I thought you were making, because "working on it" (it being police brutality against targeted groups) as a society, has been going on for 23 years and little significant has changed. Until real change happens, I don't begrudge protests. The looting is criminal and those looters should be prosecuted. And, as long as we continue to have incidents that spur protests, there will be criminals who exploit those situations. I made a counterpoint to what someone said. She simply made a point about something no one disagrees with or has said. I tried to keep it concise, otherwise she tends to take you on a circular argument, which was the purpose of her posting something no one disagrees with in response.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 23:16:48 GMT
I am sorry as if it came across as if I were upset with you. I am not. When a previous poster made a good point about resolving the issues that led to the protests which were used as an excuse to loot, you simply told her that they were working on it. To me, it came across as if you thought that since people were supposedly were "working on it" that there wouldn't be reasons for protests any more.I responded to that point that I thought you were making, because "working on it" (it being police brutality against targeted groups) as a society, has been going on for 23 years and little significant has changed. Until real change happens, I don't begrudge protests. The looting is criminal and those looters should be prosecuted. And, as long as we continue to have incidents that spur protests, there will be criminals who exploit those situations. I made a counterpoint to what someone said. She simply made a point about something no one disagrees with or has said. I tried to keep it concise, otherwise she tends to take you on a circular argument, which was the purpose of her posting something no one disagrees with in response. She here. I have no interest in joining you in the little rabbit hole of spin you are digging. However I would be remiss if I didn't point out that you seem to have a problem in making your valid points or counter points very clear to others. Piece of advice. Let this drop here as I noticed you have already had a rough day being called out for not playing nicely with others.
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Post by jayfab on May 6, 2015 0:41:29 GMT
When you focus on the rioting, you're taking away from the main issue, the FIRST issue. Freddie gray was stopped for no reason, and now he's dead. And people are still lamenting about the rioters. Oh and by the way, while the murderers of Freddie gray posted their $150,000 to $350,000 bail, one 18 year old kid who threw a brick into a police car is rotting in jail because he can't raise the HALF a million dollars in bail. THAT is systemic racism. And it's rampant in Baltimore. Wrong...he was not "stopped for no reason". They were on a patrol in a high crime/known drug activity area. Freddie, who was known to them, since he had been arrested 18 times in the past, saw them, and then turned and ran. A fellow officer has been on the news, stating that the officers saw Freddie exchange something with another person just prior to him running. The Supreme Court has ruled that running from the police in a high crime area IS sufficient cause for the police to detain and investigate you. Freddie GAVE them reason to chase him. And if he then resisted when they caught him, that is sufficient to arrest him. There is zero indication from the coroners report that Freddie had ANY other injuries on his body, apart from the spinal injury and then the contusion on his face from the bolt in the back of the van. They did not beat him, in any way, when they arrested him. No one knows yet when or how the spine injury occurred. The video of him being loaded in the back of the van is not damning, either. Yes, he appeared to be "limp", but if we had a dollar for every time a suspect went limp when my husband was arresting them and trying to put them in the van or the cruiser - we'd have a nice chunk of change. Suspects do it ALL the time. ALL the time, i'm telling you. How are they supposed to know if he really was injured, or just being a jackass to make things difficult for them. Perhaps he had done it many times in the past, during his other 18 arrests. Who knows? As to the conditions in Baltimore and other inner cities - whose fault is that? Who has run those cities for the last four decades. Almost exclusively Democrats. Progressive social policies NO NOT WORK, they only harm. Welfare and subsidies have only made poverty and misery worse. Baltimore recieved more than 1 Billion from the "stimulus" bill, and they have nothing to show for it. The inner city is still poverty stricken and crime ridden and black men are killing other black men daily. The police are there, doing a very thankless and difficult job of trying to STOP all of that. And they get nothing but hatred, and bricks thrown at their heads for it. But when the community refuses to look inward and police itself and its young people, refuses to encourage its young people to work, no matter how menial the job, when they don't stand up to the drugs and the out of wedlock births - well then the cops are just trying to plug the hole in the Titanic with a spit wad, aren't they? Thomas Sowell, the smartest man in America, wrote an outstanding article: Race, politics and liesAn Excerpt: "You cannot take any people, of any color, and exempt them from the requirements of civilization -- including work, behavioral standards, personal responsibility and all the other basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain -- without ruinous consequences to them and to society at large.
Non-judgmental subsidies of counterproductive lifestyles are treating people as if they were livestock, to be fed and tended by others in a welfare state -- and yet expecting them to develop as human beings have developed when facing the challenges of life themselves.
One key fact that keeps getting ignored is that the poverty rate among black married couples has been in single digits every year since 1994. Behavior matters and facts matter, more than the prevailing social visions or political empires built on those visions." And that is exactly what progressive democrat policies have done, since LBJ famously said "I'll have these ni**ers voting democrat for the next 200 years." Welfare has robbed generations of the ability to be fully functioning members of society and led directly to where we are today. With a black POTUS who condones the rioting, encourages the outrage, and condemns the police without facts, Every single time, instead of being the leader he should be. One last bit of irony - the very people who are screaming about police brutality and police tactics, have, and will again, run out and vote for every democrat on the ticket who promises them more government and more assistance. More government necessarily means more police. The more laws you have, the more enforcement you need. Therefore you are voting to have more of the same damn thing you are screaming about. Idiots. Seriously, you just DO NOT get it. Do you ever look outside your extreme right ring bubble? Please please show me where our President says he "condones" the rioting and encourages the outrage? Put down the tea bags and shut off what ever is giving you this false information and listen to to what REAL PEOPLE are saying. Their outrage is REAL. They LIVE the systemic inequality every day. If you think this is condoning then you seriously have comprehension problems: “This is not new. It’s been going on for decades,” said President Barack Obama in a long response to reporter questions about Baltimore during a press conference alongside Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. “If we think we’re just going to send police in to do the dirty work of containing the problems that arise there, and if, as a nation, we don’t ask what we can do to change these communities, to help uplift these communities and give these kids opportunity, then we’re not going to solve this problem.” Quote from this article
Here is a good story explaining how our cities got to the state they are in. part of the reason
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