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Post by Regina Phalange on May 1, 2015 21:45:56 GMT
BTW - a close friend who lives in Baltimore says the local stations are running the news that Freddie didn't have neck surgery, his father with the same name did.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 21:56:05 GMT
I think its difficult for some people to view black men as human beings. In the same vein that slavemasters likened them to livestock. That is why it's easy to read about a black man being killed and then setting out to make him culpable in his own death. I am glad charges are being brought against the real criminals in this case. Additionally in the report (in response to further claims he was responsible for his own death: I sure hope that this news makes it to every person who said or implied that Freddie Gray was responsible for his own death because he "broke the law," and that he was obviously a guilty criminal because he had been arrested on April 12.
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Post by boxermom73 on May 1, 2015 22:24:59 GMT
OMG JONDA look they are talking about the 300 men march out working on black on black crime!! They are talking about what can be done and what's being done...wow you should join up since it's a problem near and dear to your heart!! Not sure why you would look at that as a slam. I find that news really good, and if you have a link, I'd love it so I can see when and where it is taking place. This is very hopeful steps in the right direction. how did i say it was a slam?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 1, 2015 23:13:05 GMT
Oh I had no problems formulating my thoughts, but it honestly wouldn't have mattered because you are going to consider anyone racist who doesn't fall in line with your version of how things should be. Does racism exist, absolutely. But let's be honest, there are a lot of times where racism is cried out when it's not as well, and as a result there are moments it rings as "boy who cried wolf" moment. I have no doubt that the officers charged today will be found guilty. And if found guilty, I completely believe they should be punished. The more I read, the more I absolutely believe they are guilty. However, I don't have all the evidence, and until the jury comes back they are innocent until proven guilty. Your constant denial of the way black men are treated by law enforcement in this country just compounds how closed-minded and arrogant you are. And your close mindedness that all cops are bad and obviously murderers narrows your thought process. I think that is anyone is found guilty in this case it might likely just be for not seatbelting him in as dept policy requires. Could that have had anything to do with his injury? How knows? We sure don't! But again, I'll wait to see what all the evidence presented shows instead of reading some fool trying to cram her narrow minded view down everyone's throat.
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Post by elaine on May 1, 2015 23:30:59 GMT
Your constant denial of the way black men are treated by law enforcement in this country just compounds how closed-minded and arrogant you are. And your close mindedness that all cops are bad and obviously murderers narrows your thought process. I think that is anyone is found guilty in this case it might likely just be for not seatbelting him in as dept policy requires. Could that have had anything to do with his injury? How knows? We sure don't! But again, I'll wait to see what all the evidence presented shows instead of reading some fool trying to cram her narrow minded view down everyone's throat. If you actually watched any of the press conferences today, you will see that there is much more that happened than just not seatbelting Gray in. If that was the only evidence, 6 officers wouldn't be charged. And then that way you could hear it from a number of people, including the State's Attorney and the Mayor of Baltimore. Here is a link to the transcript of the State's Attorney's press conference. I hope that you read it.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 0:12:55 GMT
And your close mindedness that all cops are bad and obviously murderers narrows your thought process. I think that is anyone is found guilty in this case it might likely just be for not seatbelting him in as dept policy requires. Could that have had anything to do with his injury? How knows? We sure don't! But again, I'll wait to see what all the evidence presented shows instead of reading some fool trying to cram her narrow minded view down everyone's throat. If you actually watched any of the press conferences today, you will see that there is much more that happened than just not seatbelting Gray in. If that was the only evidence, 6 officers wouldn't be charged. And then that way you could hear it from a number of people, including the State's Attorney and the Mayor of Baltimore. Here is a link to the transcript of the State's Attorney's press conference. I hope that you read it. This.
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Post by momstime on May 2, 2015 1:31:43 GMT
Your constant denial of the way black men are treated by law enforcement in this country just compounds how closed-minded and arrogant you are. And your close mindedness that all cops are bad and obviously murderers narrows your thought process. I think that is anyone is found guilty in this case it might likely just be for not seatbelting him in as dept policy requires. Could that have had anything to do with his injury? How knows? We sure don't! But again, I'll wait to see what all the evidence presented shows instead of reading some fool trying to cram her narrow minded view down everyone's throat. He should NOT HAVE BEEN ARRESTED IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!! What don't you understand? Let's start there and let the snowball roll downhill. OMG!!! He died in police custody. He should not have been in police custody to begin with, but let's just say for the sake of argument that he had actually committed a crime. Well, I don't care what crime he had committed, he should never be safer than when he is in police custody. Every single police officer should hang their head in shame today. Every single one. Good cops are only good cops when they report the bad cops. If they don't report the bad cops, they are ALL BAD COPS! This poor young man could have been my son...but only if my son were black. TRUTH!
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Post by Pahina722 on May 2, 2015 1:53:19 GMT
And your close mindedness that all cops are bad and obviously murderers narrows your thought process. I think that is anyone is found guilty in this case it might likely just be for not seatbelting him in as dept policy requires. Could that have had anything to do with his injury? How knows? We sure don't! But again, I'll wait to see what all the evidence presented shows instead of reading some fool trying to cram her narrow minded view down everyone's throat. He should NOT HAVE BEEN ARRESTED IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!! What don't you understand? Let's start there and let the snowball roll downhill. OMG!!! He died in police custody. He should not have been in police custody to begin with, but let's just say for the sake of argument that he had actually committed a crime. Well, I don't care what crime he had committed, he should never be safer than when he is in police custody. Every single police officer should hang their head in shame today. Every single one. Good cops are only good cops when they report the bad cops. If they don't report the bad cops, they are ALL BAD COPS! This poor young man could have been my son...but only if my son were black. TRUTH! Uh, what? Every single police officer should hang their head in shame today? WHY? So, the police in Washington State should be ashamed? WHY? How about the ones where I live in Florida? Should they be hanging their heads as well? The only police who need to be ashamed about this case are the ones who were involved. Unless an officer were a witness or participant in the arrest, what exactly would he have to report? Folks, please don't let your horror over the situation outweigh simple common sense.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 2, 2015 5:13:00 GMT
And your close mindedness that all cops are bad and obviously murderers narrows your thought process. I think that is anyone is found guilty in this case it might likely just be for not seatbelting him in as dept policy requires. Could that have had anything to do with his injury? How knows? We sure don't! But again, I'll wait to see what all the evidence presented shows instead of reading some fool trying to cram her narrow minded view down everyone's throat. If you actually watched any of the press conferences today, you will see that there is much more that happened than just not seatbelting Gray in. If that was the only evidence, 6 officers wouldn't be charged. And then that way you could hear it from a number of people, including the State's Attorney and the Mayor of Baltimore. Here is a link to the transcript of the State's Attorney's press conference. I hope that you read it. I don't disagree, I had seen/read and with the way some things go, I was stating that it could come down to that! If they are found guilty of manslaughter I hope the are punished.
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Post by momof3pits on May 2, 2015 5:22:01 GMT
I'm glad to hear the Gray family will get their day in court. I'm sad that it even needs to happen.
I don't feel too optimistic about the state of our country/society lately.
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Post by elainebenis on May 2, 2015 7:45:38 GMT
I just wish that all those good cops out there would do something about the bad cops in their midst.
Tolerating and looking the other way when corruption, abuse and brutality occurs makes oneself complicit in that corruption, abuse and brutality, does it not?
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Post by jonda1974 on May 2, 2015 15:16:46 GMT
I just wish that all those good cops out there would do something about the bad cops in their midst. Tolerating and looking the other way when corruption, abuse and brutality occurs makes oneself complicit in that corruption, abuse and brutality, does it not? I Actually agree, but this philosophy doesn't just apply to the cops, it applies to the people of Baltimore, of every city, who turn a blind eye to crime. So someone in Baltimore who knows someone who looted, who rioted, who commits a crime and doesn't come forward to turn them in is just as complicit.
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Post by jonda1974 on May 2, 2015 15:18:00 GMT
Not sure why you would look at that as a slam. I find that news really good, and if you have a link, I'd love it so I can see when and where it is taking place. This is very hopeful steps in the right direction. how did i say it was a slam? You didn't have to, the post was dripping in sarcasm, and provided no link for more information.
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Post by elainebenis on May 2, 2015 18:44:57 GMT
I just wish that all those good cops out there would do something about the bad cops in their midst. Tolerating and looking the other way when corruption, abuse and brutality occurs makes oneself complicit in that corruption, abuse and brutality, does it not? I Actually agree, but this philosophy doesn't just apply to the cops, it applies to the people of Baltimore, of every city, who turn a blind eye to crime. So someone in Baltimore who knows someone who looted, who rioted, who commits a crime and doesn't come forward to turn them in is just as complicit.
Yes. But, oddly enough, we only ever seem to hear people mouthing the latter....
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Post by nurseypants on May 2, 2015 18:59:48 GMT
I Actually agree, but this philosophy doesn't just apply to the cops, it applies to the people of Baltimore, of every city, who turn a blind eye to crime. So someone in Baltimore who knows someone who looted, who rioted, who commits a crime and doesn't come forward to turn them in is just as complicit.
Yes. But, oddly enough, we only ever seem to hear people mouthing the latter....
Severed. spine.
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Post by boxermom73 on May 2, 2015 22:50:39 GMT
how did i say it was a slam? You didn't have to, the post was dripping in sarcasm, and provided no link for more information. I think if you really wanted to help and find info you would have. It takes a google search...
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Post by Peace Sign on May 2, 2015 23:09:56 GMT
I'm just so sad over this, and trayvon, and Walter Scott, and John crawford, and on and on and on. There really are some people who do not place any value on black boys and girls. My two little boys are cute and friendly, but I know what's coming when they turn into teenagers. They become scary. I'm fearful.
I had to talk with my ten year old gifted adorable light of my life son about running. I told him never to run. Not ever. And I was practically bawling while I Said it.
We all have to do better. If you don't speak up when you see discrimination, then you are complicit to it.
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Post by samantha25 on May 3, 2015 2:20:30 GMT
I question the use of the term "so sad". News media, etc. use this term. I am not "sad" over this. What is a better adjective to use?
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Post by Olan on May 3, 2015 2:27:45 GMT
I'm saddened. I think my behavior here has really shown that. Good or bad.
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Post by Peace Sign on May 3, 2015 2:31:31 GMT
I'm not sure why you're questioning my feelings, but yes, I am sad. It's a huge weight. That it's happening, that people say stupid and insensitive things, that my sons have to hear about boys that look like them getting shot. I don't have the luxury of watching the news and moving on with my day...the news affects me personally.
I'm angry, too. And my circle of friends shrinking because when these stories happen on the news, people's true feelings come out. But yes, as far as my children go it us very heavy, very real and very sad.
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Post by samantha25 on May 3, 2015 2:41:43 GMT
I'm not specifically addressing anyone about the so sad comment. I just find the term fluff, so sad, my bad. Are people really sad? It seems to be the new buzz word for news networks... It's so sad...that so and so and so and so happened. it's sad. I'm not sad. I feel something else, like empowered to make a decision to find the truth and then react.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 3, 2015 4:28:41 GMT
Yes. But, oddly enough, we only ever seem to hear people mouthing the latter....
Severed. spine. Burned down businesses. Looted stores. Assaulting police. Loss of jobs by innocent people by rioters.
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Post by boxermom73 on May 3, 2015 6:15:56 GMT
I'm just so sad over this, and trayvon, and Walter Scott, and John crawford, and on and on and on. There really are some people who do not place any value on black boys and girls. My two little boys are cute and friendly, but I know what's coming when they turn into teenagers. They become scary. I'm fearful. I had to talk with my ten year old gifted adorable light of my life son about running. I told him never to run. Not ever. And I was practically bawling while I Said it. We all have to do better. If you don't speak up when you see discrimination, then you are complicit to it. I agree I see more compassion for animals than our babies who we love and care for ... I wonder if it was there son / family member targeted would they be so callous...
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 13:52:19 GMT
JUST STOP! MY jaw is on the floor at what I'm reading about myself here. The logical part of me knows that some people here are dismissing what was actually said, because it doesn't align with how they've already made up their mind. But my heart is utterly destroyed. Let me say right off the bat, I am glad that the officers are being charged since the evidence is showing they were responsible. But to take my response of what the other prisoner was thinking in answering the question of how he could know what the other prisoner was doing if he couldn't see him, to take that as license to say that I don't view black men as human, to liken me to a slave owner, to say that I don't care if an innocent black man is shot in the back, or that I'm callous and inhumane, is shocking and sickening. My response was based on the other prisoner's statement and what I've learned from the officers being interviewed in recent days on the behavior of people taken into custody and the attempts at lawsuits. To then take my support of gay rights while also supporting Christian rights as a reason to liken me to a skinhead or KKK member is beyond the pale. To ignore all the times I've said it sure does look like the cops are at fault here and that we don't have all the facts yet in favor of saying I'm blaming the victim and painting me as an inhumane racist human being, defies logic. But too often facts don't matter when they don't support your conclusion to pile on. I've been respectful when I disagree with something and I'm utterly devastated and destroyed at how I'm being painted simply because I responded to a question of the other prisoner's thought process based on what I've learned recently. I'm not sure why you are taking what I've said so personally but I am sure being introspective is difficult. What you do once you are faced with things you don't like or had not recognized about yourself is really the most important thing. I don't like to compare atrocities but I think there are instances where humanity has seen the error in some of those atrocities...again don't want to compare atrocities or introduce another element you can zero in on to take the focus off the actual issue at hand...but the victims in those instances have posthumously been "humanized". Black men arent given that same benefit. Instead they get put on trial before their bodies even hit the grave which you effectively did when you said Gray must have injured himself in hopes of some huge settlement. I think the words you're searching for are, "Oh, now that I've read your explanation, the explanation of several others and read your original words again, I see that what you said was based on a universal truth about the actions of many people taken into police custody and what you said had no correlation to race at all."
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Post by Olan on May 3, 2015 14:06:19 GMT
I'm not sure why you are taking what I've said so personally but I am sure being introspective is difficult. What you do once you are faced with things you don't like or had not recognized about yourself is really the most important thing. I don't like to compare atrocities but I think there are instances where humanity has seen the error in some of those atrocities...again don't want to compare atrocities or introduce another element you can zero in on to take the focus off the actual issue at hand...but the victims in those instances have posthumously been "humanized". Black men arent given that same benefit. Instead they get put on trial before their bodies even hit the grave which you effectively did when you said Gray must have injured himself in hopes of some huge settlement. I think the words you're searching for are, "Oh, now that I've read your explanation, the explanation of several others and read your original words again, I see that what you said was based on a universal truth about the actions of many people taken into police custody and what you said had no correlation to race at all." I wasn't searching for words and didn't need you to provide a narrative for me. I don't actually understand what what you've just said (or rather "tried to say for me") even means.
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Post by anxiousmom on May 3, 2015 14:06:37 GMT
I'm not sure why you're questioning my feelings, but yes, I am sad. It's a huge weight. That it's happening, that people say stupid and insensitive things, that my sons have to hear about boys that look like them getting shot. I don't have the luxury of watching the news and moving on with my day...the news affects me personally. I'm angry, too. And my circle of friends shrinking because when these stories happen on the news, people's true feelings come out. But yes, as far as my children go it us very heavy, very real and very sad. I will own the "this makes me sad" comment-particularly as it applies to what peace sign is trying to explain. My experience, as a white mother with boys is different, but if I put myself in your shoes (and I am not sure that I would be able to fully understand because our experiences are different) I can absolutely feel sad that beyond all the other lessons we try to teach our children, having to teach practical applications of how to deal with an asshole with racial issues can not be in any way easy. I say this a lot, but my experience is that my children have a father who is an attorney, their expectations of the dealing with law enforcement and the legal system is different than most people to begin with. I don't have to teach my children the same lessons that peace sign will-and that makes does make me sad. And angry. It shouldn't have to be that way.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 14:20:49 GMT
I'm not specifically addressing anyone about the so sad comment. I just find the term fluff, so sad, my bad. Are people really sad? It seems to be the new buzz word for news networks... It's so sad...that so and so and so and so happened. it's sad. I'm not sad. I feel something else, like empowered to make a decision to find the truth and then react. It's not fluff it's a very normal human reaction. First come sadness, then anger and then hopefully doing something to fix this. I just can't believe we are at the crux of a huge racial issue again here in 2015. It is sad. All the work from past generations seem to be losing ground.
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Post by Nink on May 3, 2015 17:11:42 GMT
I'm hoping I can word this correctly as I don't want to come across as insensitive to this issue, but since three of the six officers were black themselves, do you (general you) think this particular case is motivated by race or an abuse of power? I absolutely believe racism does still exist, I'm just wondering about this particular case. Regardless, what happened to him was horrible and I'm glad something is being done.
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Post by Pahina722 on May 3, 2015 17:17:15 GMT
I'm not specifically addressing anyone about the so sad comment. I just find the term fluff, so sad, my bad. Are people really sad? It seems to be the new buzz word for news networks... It's so sad...that so and so and so and so happened. it's sad. I'm not sad. I feel something else, like empowered to make a decision to find the truth and then react. It's not fluff it's a very normal human reaction. First come sadness, then anger and then hopefully doing something to fix this. I just can't believe we are at the crux of a huge racial issue again here in 2015. It is sad. All the work from past generations seem to be losing ground. No, we aren't losing ground. If you look back at what African Americans dealt with that was legal and sanctioned in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, clearly we have made progress. Now, when a black man is arrested and dies in custody, there is immediate outrage and vocal demonstrations from both whites and blacks. And those who protest peacefully aren't in danger of being fire-hosed or shot or beaten. However, today, just as there were then, some want immediate fixes and become violent when those fixed don't appear fast enough. I am afraid that the result will be similar to what happened with the Black Panthers, for example. Although they started with noble goals and made progress, when they turned to violence against their own members, the party fell apart and lost support from its own constituents. That is what I see as happening today with the Baltimore riots. Even though there are both a legitimate reason to protest and serious problems with the police there, when the protests devolved into rioting and looting, the attention shifts away from where it needs to be.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 18:02:51 GMT
It's not fluff it's a very normal human reaction. First come sadness, then anger and then hopefully doing something to fix this. I just can't believe we are at the crux of a huge racial issue again here in 2015. It is sad. All the work from past generations seem to be losing ground. No, we aren't losing ground. If you look back at what African Americans dealt with that was legal and sanctioned in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, clearly we have made progress. Now, when a black man is arrested and dies in custody, there is immediate outrage and vocal demonstrations from both whites and blacks. And those who protest peacefully aren't in danger of being fire-hosed or shot or beaten. However, today, just as there were then, some want immediate fixes and become violent when those fixed don't appear fast enough. I am afraid that the result will be similar to what happened with the Black Panthers, for example. Although they started with noble goals and made progress, when they turned to violence against their own members, the party fell apart and lost support from its own constituents. That is what I see as happening today with the Baltimore riots. Even though there are both a legitimate reason to protest and serious problems with the police there, when the protests devolved into rioting and looting, the attention shifts away from where it needs to be. And I respectfully disagree. Racial issues are getting worse. I'm seeing more and more blatant open racism than I ever have lately. And even peaceful protesting has encountered issues. I'm not saying the rioting is right at all. But the majority of the protests have been peaceful. People seem to forget that.
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