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Post by moodyblue on May 23, 2015 14:57:14 GMT
I believe from the articles and such the girls were not much older or younger too. So, who is really at fault and aren't the girls just as guilty? ? This was NOT two little kids mutually exploring their bodies! This was a teenage boy fondling the breasts and genitals of younger girls while they were sleeping. How in the hell is that the fault of the girls in any way???
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Post by Peamac on May 23, 2015 15:04:08 GMT
I'm sorry- what? The girls are all younger than Josh, so they were 13-5 years old at the time. They didn't even have much by way of "breasts" for him to touch. He snuck in their room at night while they were sleeping - what were they guilty of? Not going to the press or calling the police on their older brother? As someone who was molested as a child and teen, I understand why they didn't go to the police. They told their parents, the ones who should have protected them.
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Post by hop2 on May 23, 2015 15:35:47 GMT
I am not looking at this as "celebrity gossip" which seems mostly harmless. I am viewing this in the light from a fairly recent incident that occurred to the family of another person here. That situation was mostly 'groundless' but raised the double standard that exists today between teen girls and teen boys. I knew there was one for adults, I did not know how vicious is the one for children and teens. This incident with the younger Mr. Dugger happened when he was 14, fourteen, that's 10 plus 4. I think lots of us have kids that did some really stupid, but at the time either felt good or seemed like a good idea, or "just happened." Frankly any parent of a boy could really say there but for... I believe from the articles and such the girls were not much older or younger too. So, who is really at fault and aren't the girls just as guilty? So at what age does it stop? Or start? What is fair game for those that are set to not be satisfied with tarnishing or trashing, but outright destroy any possible adult livelihood and relationships. I think someone "broke the seal" on a juvenile record, and that person ought to be criminally charged. Those that are "breathless" over what could come out next disgust me. I pray that NO ONE you know is ever treated in a similar manner. And I pray for anyone that has boys, this could very, very easily happen to your precious child too. What happened to another really has opened my eyes to the intolorrence. Note: I do not condone what happened, seems all the parties involved had long ago settled the matter. There was punishment and discipline at the time, so why "pop up" now nearly what, 15 years later??? . Omg, really? You did not just go blame a 6 year old girl (most likely 4 if it was his sister ) for being molested did you? One of his victims from TWELVE years ago is STILL a minor do the math she can not have been more than 6 How the %%>#%%%# is a SIX year old just as guilty? Really? I'm going to loose my ever lovin mind. Please for my sanity tell me I misunderstood you?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 15:39:53 GMT
I think lots of us have kids that did some really stupid, but at the time either felt good or seemed like a good idea, or "just happened." Frankly any parent of a boy could really say there but for... I believe from the articles and such the girls were not much older or younger too. So, who is really at fault and aren't the girls just as guilty? You are smoking crack! An accident does not happen 5 times! A little girl who is molested by her brother is not guilty of anything participatory. Not a damn thing. Treated this way? How should an abuser of children be treated after he portrays himself as a moral high grounder who seeks to shun and defame those who claim a different sexual practice than himself? He's a liar and a hypocrite. You seem to think he's being falsely accused. He's not. He did do these crimes. And there was no punishment. And he is a grown man. Time to face the music.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 15:52:20 GMT
I am not looking at this as "celebrity gossip" which seems mostly harmless. I am viewing this in the light from a fairly recent incident that occurred to the family of another person here. That situation was mostly 'groundless' but raised the double standard that exists today between teen girls and teen boys. I knew there was one for adults, I did not know how vicious is the one for children and teens. This incident with the younger Mr. Dugger happened when he was 14, fourteen, that's 10 plus 4. I think lots of us have kids that did some really stupid, but at the time either felt good or seemed like a good idea, or "just happened." Frankly any parent of a boy could really say there but for... I believe from the articles and such the girls were not much older or younger too. So, who is really at fault and aren't the girls just as guilty? So at what age does it stop? Or start? What is fair game for those that are set to not be satisfied with tarnishing or trashing, but outright destroy any possible adult livelihood and relationships. I think someone "broke the seal" on a juvenile record, and that person ought to be criminally charged. Those that are "breathless" over what could come out next disgust me. I pray that NO ONE you know is ever treated in a similar manner. And I pray for anyone that has boys, this could very, very easily happen to your precious child too. What happened to another really has opened my eyes to the intolorrence. Note: I do not condone what happened, seems all the parties involved had long ago settled the matter. There was punishment and discipline at the time, so why "pop up" now nearly what, 15 years later??? What the FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?
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Post by anxiousmom on May 23, 2015 15:52:23 GMT
Excuse the upcoming crudity in answering the question of whether or not the girls share guilt...
If a same age girl was willing giving the same age boy a blowjob in a dark corner as part of THEIR experimentation, then yes, perhaps the girls has some culpability in the events. (Note I said willingly.)
If a young child of 6 is groped and prodded while sleeping the no, not one single solitary iota of culpability in any way shape or form. She was robbed of her right to say no by an older, more powerful and larger person who was molesting her.
Crazy to even think that it is possible.
And y'all? I'm just going to say this-do you really think that those poor girls were actually asleep? I have had kids that age and I can't imagine them sleeping through something like this. Maybe for a moment at first, but throughout the whole thing? And every single victim? No, I am sorry, I don't buy it.
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Post by padresfan619 on May 23, 2015 15:54:28 GMT
Excuse the upcoming crudity in answering the question of whether or not the girls share guilt... If a same age girl was willing giving the same age boy a blowjob in a dark corner as part of THEIR experimentation, then yes, perhaps the girls has some culpability in the events. (Note I said willingly.) If a young child of 6 is groped and prodded while sleeping the no, not one single solitary iota of culpability in any way shape or form. She was robbed of her right to say no by an older, more powerful and larger person who was molesting her. Crazy to even think that it is possible. And y'all? I'm just going to say this-do you really think that those poor girls were actually asleep? I have had kids that age and I can't imagine them sleeping through something like this. Maybe for a moment at first, but throughout the whole thing? And every single victim? No, I am sorry, I don't buy it. In the police report there are interviews, not every single one, that say they woke up to being fondled.
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Post by MaryMary on May 23, 2015 16:36:46 GMT
This incident with the younger Mr. Dugger happened when he was 14, fourteen, that's 10 plus 4. I think lots of us have kids that did some really stupid, but at the time either felt good or seemed like a good idea, or "just happened." Frankly any parent of a boy could really say there but for... I believe from the articles and such the girls were not much older or younger too. So, who is really at fault and aren't the girls just as guilty? Do me a favor and go to hell.
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Post by Kelpea on May 23, 2015 16:51:03 GMT
Remember, it was five victims. The likelihood of there being only five incidents is low; God knows how many times he molested each of the five girls.
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Post by theshyone on May 23, 2015 16:53:00 GMT
This incident with the younger Mr. Dugger happened when he was 14, fourteen, that's 10 plus 4. I think lots of us have kids that did some really stupid, but at the time either felt good or seemed like a good idea, or "just happened." Frankly any parent of a boy could really say there but for... I believe from the articles and such the girls were not much older or younger too. So, who is really at fault and aren't the girls just as guilty? So at what age does it stop? Or start? What is fair game for those that are set to not be satisfied with tarnishing or trashing, but outright destroy any possible adult livelihood and relationships. You are beyond my comprehension. You are blaming a four year old little girl? Four? Do you get that? Four? The teenage boy at 14 is the only guilty one. Then all those that covered it up and didn't further protect the victims. Those girls got zero justice.
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Post by myboysnme on May 23, 2015 16:54:04 GMT
I am not looking at this as "celebrity gossip" which seems mostly harmless. I am viewing this in the light from a fairly recent incident that occurred to the family of another person here. That situation was mostly 'groundless' but raised the double standard that exists today between teen girls and teen boys. I knew there was one for adults, I did not know how vicious is the one for children and teens. This incident with the younger Mr. Dugger happened when he was 14, fourteen, that's 10 plus 4. I think lots of us have kids that did some really stupid, but at the time either felt good or seemed like a good idea, or "just happened." Frankly any parent of a boy could really say there but for... I believe from the articles and such the girls were not much older or younger too. So, who is really at fault and aren't the girls just as guilty? So at what age does it stop? Or start? What is fair game for those that are set to not be satisfied with tarnishing or trashing, but outright destroy any possible adult livelihood and relationships. I think someone "broke the seal" on a juvenile record, and that person ought to be criminally charged. Those that are "breathless" over what could come out next disgust me. I pray that NO ONE you know is ever treated in a similar manner. And I pray for anyone that has boys, this could very, very easily happen to your precious child too. What happened to another really has opened my eyes to the intolorrence. Note: I do not condone what happened, seems all the parties involved had long ago settled the matter. There was punishment and discipline at the time, so why "pop up" now nearly what, 15 years later??? For real? This has to be cynical. I cannot imagine this being your position. It's crazy, especially from you. The Duggers used to be on occasional TV specials when they were 12 kids and counting. They lived in that tiny house. Then when they got the TV weekly show and built the big house, they still had all the girls in one big bedroom and all the boys in one big room. So while he was molesting one sister the rest are right there in the same bedroom. All being victimized by being exposed to what is going on. Sick sick sick. I really hope this takes this family right off the air. All of them. Did you see the huge house the Dillards live in? I think they have entertained the American TV viewers long enough. Good riddance, along with Kate and hers. They should have taken the money and run 5 kids ago.
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Post by MichyM on May 23, 2015 16:56:21 GMT
And I pray for anyone that has boys, this could very, very easily happen to your precious child too. What happened to another really has opened my eyes to the intolorrence. We're all entitled to our own opinion, though I can't disagree with what you posted more. This part has me especially scratching my head. Intolerance of what exactly? What I see is intolerance of the societal norm, it is NOT OK to sexually molest another human being, let alone multiple children...
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Post by greenlegume on May 23, 2015 17:00:48 GMT
I am not looking at this as "celebrity gossip" which seems mostly harmless. I am viewing this in the light from a fairly recent incident that occurred to the family of another person here. That situation was mostly 'groundless' but raised the double standard that exists today between teen girls and teen boys. I knew there was one for adults, I did not know how vicious is the one for children and teens. This incident with the younger Mr. Dugger happened when he was 14, fourteen, that's 10 plus 4. I think lots of us have kids that did some really stupid, but at the time either felt good or seemed like a good idea, or "just happened." Frankly any parent of a boy could really say there but for... I believe from the articles and such the girls were not much older or younger too. So, who is really at fault and aren't the girls just as guilty?
So at what age does it stop? Or start? What is fair game for those that are set to not be satisfied with tarnishing or trashing, but outright destroy any possible adult livelihood and relationships. I think someone "broke the seal" on a juvenile record, and that person ought to be criminally charged. Those that are "breathless" over what could come out next disgust me. I pray that NO ONE you know is ever treated in a similar manner. And I pray for anyone that has boys, this could very, very easily happen to your precious child too. What happened to another really has opened my eyes to the intolorrence. Note: I do not condone what happened, seems all the parties involved had long ago settled the matter. There was punishment and discipline at the time, so why "pop up" now nearly what, 15 years later??? What kind of sick, twisted freak are you? You're blaming a five year old, plus four other young girls for being molested by their teenage brother (or relative/friend in the FIFTH victim's case)?
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Post by keknj on May 23, 2015 17:10:08 GMT
I was that four year old 45 years ago and I resent your implications that I was at fault. I never did a thing to invite the attentions of a grown ass male babysitter except get dropped off by my parents. Those poor girls face a lifetime of hurtful memories that rear their ugly heads at inopportune moments. I hope they don't run into many people like you. I also hope you never have to face those kinds of memories.
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Post by BuckeyeSandy on May 23, 2015 17:34:21 GMT
I have not seen anything to tell me what age the girls were; yes I made an assumption they were close to the age of the boy.
You all can be as outraged at me as you like. I did not know the ages when I posted and frankly, 15 years later I hope some healing has occurred. The good Lord knows that constant revisiting does not heal, but rather inflicts the pain again and again.
Those who were abused as children, teens or as adults, I cannot help you. I cannot change what happened to you. But I did not abuse you, nor do I doubt that abuse happened. I will pray that you can find healing. I know no one forgets, and very few can even forgive.
I've been around to know about the flame-proof suit, but do all of you here tell me that you would "cut-off" your son if he was ever accused? He would be "dead" unto you?
I merely question the reason for bringing this up in the first place, doing judgement and condemnation based upon what? Gossip?
We all have feet of clay, we have things that we did we hope never comes to the light of day, we all have wronged someone.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 17:37:30 GMT
I have not seen anything to tell me what age the girls were; yes I made an assumption they were close to the age of the boy. You all can be as outraged at me as you like. I did not know the ages when I posted and frankly, 15 years later I hope some healing has occurred. The good Lord knows that constant revisiting does not heal, but rather inflicts the pain again and again. Those who were abused as children, teens or as adults, I cannot help you. I cannot change what happened to you. But I did not abuse you, nor do I doubt that abuse happened. I will pray that you can find healing. I know no one forgets, and very few can even forgive. I've been around to know about the flame-proof suit, but do all of you here tell me that you would "cut-off" your son if he was ever accused? He would be "dead" unto you? I merely question the reason for bringing this up in the first place, doing judgement and condemnation based upon what? Gossip? We all have feet of clay, we have things that we did we hope never comes to the light of day, we all have wronged someone. Four of the five are his SISTERS. This is not normal or just fooling around. You really need to research it before you speak out. And it is NOT rumor. They admitted it and there is a police report with full details of his many times abusing them. Hell yes I judge. Especially when the family clams that LGBT are the ones to watch out for and abuse children. In fact it was their son.
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Post by hop2 on May 23, 2015 17:42:33 GMT
I have not seen anything to tell me what age the girls were; yes I made an assumption they were close to the age of the boy. You all can be as outraged at me as you like. I did not know the ages when I posted and frankly, 15 years later I hope some healing has occurred. The good Lord knows that constant revisiting does not heal, but rather inflicts the pain again and again. Those who were abused as children, teens or as adults, I cannot help you. I cannot change what happened to you. But I did not abuse you, nor do I doubt that abuse happened. I will pray that you can find healing. I know no one forgets, and very few can even forgive. I've been around to know about the flame-proof suit, but do all of you here tell me that you would "cut-off" your son if he was ever accused? He would be "dead" unto you? I merely question the reason for bringing this up in the first place, doing judgement and condemnation based upon what? Gossip? We all have feet of clay, we have things that we did we hope never comes to the light of day, we all have wronged someone. The type of excuses your spewing are a huge part of the reason why we have a rape culture problem in the country. People like you who are so ready with an excuse and a free pass. And you STILL haven't in any way explained why it is/was ok for YOU to blame the victims. WHO the heck do you think you are to even HINT much less come right out and say the girls are at fault. Those girls are not one iota at fault and to defend the position that they are is vile.
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Post by greenlegume on May 23, 2015 17:43:05 GMT
I have not seen anything to tell me what age the girls were; yes I made an assumption they were close to the age of the boy. You all can be as outraged at me as you like. I did not know the ages when I posted and frankly, 15 years later I hope some healing has occurred. The good Lord knows that constant revisiting does not heal, but rather inflicts the pain again and again. Those who were abused as children, teens or as adults, I cannot help you. I cannot change what happened to you. But I did not abuse you, nor do I doubt that abuse happened. I will pray that you can find healing. I know no one forgets, and very few can even forgive. I've been around to know about the flame-proof suit, but do all of you here tell me that you would "cut-off" your son if he was ever accused? He would be "dead" unto you? I merely question the reason for bringing this up in the first place, doing judgement and condemnation based upon what? Gossip? We all have feet of clay, we have things that we did we hope never comes to the light of day, we all have wronged someone. ^more batshittery^ And bullshit on you saying that you don't doubt the abuse happened. Doubting and blaming the victims was the entire gist of your post. No one ever claimed that an abusing son should be regarded as "dead unto them." They said they needed to be held legally accountable for their CRIMINAL actions. Why don't you do yourself a favor, quit being so ignorant, and read the actual police reports. Just more hypocrisy from you to claim that people are merely gossiping. Molesting children goes beyond merely "wronging someone." Save your feet of clay bullshit for your fellow fundies.
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Post by Sam on May 23, 2015 17:48:59 GMT
You know what - there is always a point at which one should put down that damn shovel and stop digging.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 18:14:45 GMT
I am not looking at this as "celebrity gossip" which seems mostly harmless. I am viewing this in the light from a fairly recent incident that occurred to the family of another person here. That situation was mostly 'groundless' but raised the double standard that exists today between teen girls and teen boys. I knew there was one for adults, I did not know how vicious is the one for children and teens. This incident with the younger Mr. Dugger happened when he was 14, fourteen, that's 10 plus 4. I think lots of us have kids that did some really stupid, but at the time either felt good or seemed like a good idea, or "just happened." Frankly any parent of a boy could really say there but for... I believe from the articles and such the girls were not much older or younger too. So, who is really at fault and aren't the girls just as guilty? So at what age does it stop? Or start? What is fair game for those that are set to not be satisfied with tarnishing or trashing, but outright destroy any possible adult livelihood and relationships. I think someone "broke the seal" on a juvenile record, and that person ought to be criminally charged. Those that are "breathless" over what could come out next disgust me. I pray that NO ONE you know is ever treated in a similar manner. And I pray for anyone that has boys, this could very, very easily happen to your precious child too. What happened to another really has opened my eyes to the intolorrence. Note: I do not condone what happened, seems all the parties involved had long ago settled the matter. There was punishment and discipline at the time, so why "pop up" now nearly what, 15 years later??? The level of deliberate, willful ignorance here is just mind-blowing. It makes me truly sad to see someone so incapable of thinking for themselves.
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Post by Peamac on May 23, 2015 18:28:15 GMT
Then why wouldn't you type "Duggar" into google, go to their family website, and look at the info about the kids and their ages? Then you'd be able to do the math and see where your assumptions were incorrect.
I don't know what I'd do if I had a son and he did this, but I'd sure hope I'd protect my daughters more than what JimBob and Michelle did!
I also wonder why this is coming to light since he was a juvenile at the time and assumed those records would be kept closed, but I'm sure every state is different.
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Post by anonrefugee on May 23, 2015 18:28:40 GMT
I absolutely believe the producers of reality shows have vetted their subjects. They get extra publicity from scandals like these, and good press for pulling the plug. In this case they'll probably do a spin off about his re-education and redemption. (Trust me, I use those terms sarcastically. Even if he might be, he should go away.) I don't watch reality TV but know plenty about the Ks, the Ducks and these fruit cakes. We have got to stop glorifying athletic thugs, bitchy women and pretend down to earth families in sprawling homes. I have no idea how to do it. Not watching hasn't made them go away- here I am typing about them - dammit somebody help us!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 18:32:01 GMT
I absolutely believe the producers of reality shows have vetted their subjects. They get extra publicity from scandals like these, and good press for pulling the plug. In this case they'll probably do a spin off about his re-education and redemption. (Trust me, I use those terms sarcastically. Even if he might be, he should go away.) I don't watch reality TV but know plenty about the Ks, the Ducks and these fruit cakes. We have got to stop glorifying athletic thugs, bitchy women and pretend down to earth families in sprawling homes. I have no idea how to do it. Not watching hasn't made them go away- here I am typing about them - dammit somebody help us!!! ITA
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Post by hop2 on May 23, 2015 18:56:33 GMT
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Post by Just T on May 23, 2015 19:02:03 GMT
Buckeye Sandy, I have seriously had to pinch myself to make sure I'm not dreaming what you wrote. You are un-freaking-believable. And that is me being nice because I don't feel comfortable saying what I really and truly want to say.
First of all, as to this:
So, who is really at fault and aren't the girls just as guilty? I simply cannot believe that there are people like you in the world who believe girls getting molested are just as guilty as the one who molested them. WTF??? I don't care that you didn't know how old they are. I don't care if they were older than him (clearly, they were not since he is the oldest kid in the family!!). You don't fondle your sister's genitals and breasts while they are sleeping, whether they are 4 or 18. It sickens me that you actually believe that shit you wrote.
but do all of you here tell me that you would "cut-off" your son if he was ever accused? He would be "dead" unto you? Who said that??? I read that other thread, and this one, and perhaps in the pea livid state my brain is in, I missed something. But, I saw no one who said their son would be dead to them. I saw many moms who said that yes, they most definitely WOULD turn their son in and get help for both him and the victim, but that doesn't mean they would be cutting off their son and he would be dead to them. What a leap.
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Post by lumo on May 23, 2015 19:05:09 GMT
So, who is really at fault and aren't the girls just as guilty?What the actual fuck. I cannot believe what I just read. JOSH DUGGAR is at fault. HE is guilty. To imply in any form or fashion that the victims -- 4 of whom were HIS SISTERS -- should have even a modicum of guilt put upon them is beyond fucked up.
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Post by Just T on May 23, 2015 19:08:16 GMT
What total BS. Yes, we have all "wronged" someone. Wronging someone is NOT the same as MOLESTING CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not just once, but repeatedly. Do you not GET that? UGH.
I have been reading about this on facebook and here. I have refrained from responding because the story hits a little too close to home for me. I'm not going to share the shit my family has and is still dealing with because of family sexual abuse of children. Some of the things I have read truly make me want to throw up. And punch people.
I don't even know what else to say. I think I really need to step away from these threads. I don't know why I'm shocked that someone here has posted the terrible things that Buckeye Sandy posted, but I am. I shouldn't be.
I will say one last thing. If you have not had to deal with the effects of children being sexually abused, you are lucky. But for the love of all that is holy and good, PLEASE just shut up if all you have to say is that the victims are just as guilty. You have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on May 23, 2015 19:17:58 GMT
I merely question the reason for bringing this up in the first place, doing judgement and condemnation based upon what? Gossip? No. Based on a police report and a public admission by both the perpetrator and his parents. You miss 100% of the shots you never take, Buckeye, and sometimes you miss the ones you DO take. SMDH.
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Post by pierogi on May 23, 2015 19:36:19 GMT
The police report, although heavily redacted, is quite explicit about what Josh did (and admitted to.) There were many incidents with a specific predatory m.o. These weren't even crimes of opportunity, he chose his victims carefully and waited until they were isolated (laundry room) or helpless (sleeping.) Note that he left the oldest girl alone.
His parents covered for him, sent him away, and he came back and abused again. They sent him away again to a questionable prayer camp, and when he came back they claimed everything was dandy. Over. He moved right back into the house with his victims. If anyone here thinks he's stopped his molestation, I've got some great oceanfront property in Arizona for you.
His youngest victim was four. Four. The same age as his daughter. If that doesn't give you chills, I don't know what will.
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Post by compwalla on May 23, 2015 19:56:22 GMT
So, who is really at fault and aren't the girls just as guilty? OMFSM. How gross. The girls were asleep and woke up to their brother fondling them. How in the ever-loving-fuck is that their fault? This is perhaps the most disturbing thing I've ever read here.
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