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Post by vspindler on May 24, 2015 22:32:57 GMT
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Post by greenlegume on May 24, 2015 23:31:56 GMT
I saw that story earlier, and it just made me want to cry. Seeing what the GOP candidates have been saying in defense of Josh has been beyond disheartening, too.
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Post by JBeans on May 25, 2015 0:14:04 GMT
She doesn't have that reputation so it all points to just what she said. She made a mistake and assumed. It happens. She had recent Pea issues on her mind and didn't have all the facts. Should she have researched? Sure. But if you mistakenly think you know what's going on enough to comment, you don't think you need to research. She's human and she made a mistake. To keep on tearing her apart after that has been explained says more about those doing it than her mistake. We aren't the media, so obviously no, but you knew that. Again no. I don't really want to debate the relevance of what he said and whether or not it pertains to this thread. It was worth noting that very obvious part was left out when his post was quoted here. Gia just stop. You are sitting here telling us how wrong we are about sandy but then going on to make assumptions and jabs about a quote. Huckabee is siding with the Duggars. Who freaking hid a child molester. That's all that matters. Your devils advocate shtick is ridiculous here. The Duggars are wrong, Huckabee is wrong and sandy never ever should've commented on a topic she knew nothing about. She still hasn't said OMG I'm so sorry I didn't realize he MOLESTED HIS SISTERS. that's what any other person who made a mistake that huge would do. Sadly, there is so much of bullshit in defence of it all on social media. I've lived through making excuses for the perp. Same fucking song and dance.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 0:51:42 GMT
Gia just stop. You are sitting here telling us how wrong we are about sandy but then going on to make assumptions and jabs about a quote. Huckabee is siding with the Duggars. Who freaking hid a child molester. That's all that matters. Your devils advocate shtick is ridiculous here. The Duggars are wrong, Huckabee is wrong and sandy never ever should've commented on a topic she knew nothing about. She still hasn't said OMG I'm so sorry I didn't realize he MOLESTED HIS SISTERS. that's what any other person who made a mistake that huge would do. Sadly, there is so much of bullshit in defence of it all on social media. I've lived through making excuses for the perp. Same fucking song and dance. Just to be clear, I'm not defending the Duggars, Huckabee or Sandy's mistake. Just the fact that she made one and said so, but people continue tearing her apart as if she didn't.
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Post by Nanner on May 25, 2015 0:53:52 GMT
Every time I turn around, I read something else that makes me despise these fucking scumbags even more.
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Post by Nanner on May 25, 2015 0:56:27 GMT
I hope those girls come out and confront him publicly about it. The two married girls aren't under Daddy's control anymore (barf). I'm sure there's a whole lot more we don't know.
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Post by amom23 on May 25, 2015 1:11:09 GMT
I just read an article that stated TLC is leaning towards continuing the show minus Josh unless more major advertisers drop them like General Mills did. The idea of continuing the show makes me sick and I will not be watching.
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Post by Just T on May 25, 2015 1:17:50 GMT
You have done way more than defend that Sandy made a mistake. The reason people kept tearing her apart was because she never once apologized for the horrible things she said, she just got more defensive.
*I have not seen anything to tell me what age the girls were; yes I made an assumption they were close to the age of the boy. *I merely question the reason for bringing this up in the first place, doing judgement and condemnation based upon what? Gossip? *we have things that we did we hope never comes to the light of day, we all have wronged someone.
*I had no clue about the 'back story' but whatever *You harpies make great assumptions you know.
She didn't address, AT ALL the offensive nature of the shit she posted.
It shouldn't have mattered one bit to her the age of the victims. She never addressed that.
Nothing is based on gossip. It was in a police report for crying out loud. He freaking ADMITTED it. His parents admitted it. It's not "gossip."
Saying "we all have wronged someone" seems very dismissive to those who have been molested. Like it's not a big deal, right up there with smoking a joint or stealing a necklace from Target. Molesting your sisters is not just "wrong someone."
The backstory shouldn't have even mattered. He molested 5 young girls. More than once. Over at the very least, a 2 year period. What more backstory does there need to be for her to be outraged and not say, "they were just as much at fault?"
And then, after all that, you essentially screamed at everyone with your all caps "She didn't know it wasn't consensual!" So if the 13 year old girl would have wanted her 14 year old brother to fondle her genitals, that would have made what he did A-Okay?
I really don't get why you have been so staunchly defending the horrible things she said as well as the attitude she had about the things she said.
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Post by greenlegume on May 25, 2015 1:29:12 GMT
You have done way more than defend that Sandy made a mistake. The reason people kept tearing her apart was because she never once apologized for the horrible things she said, she just got more defensive.
*I have not seen anything to tell me what age the girls were; yes I made an assumption they were close to the age of the boy. *I merely question the reason for bringing this up in the first place, doing judgement and condemnation based upon what? Gossip? *we have things that we did we hope never comes to the light of day, we all have wronged someone.
*I had no clue about the 'back story' but whatever *You harpies make great assumptions you know.
She didn't address, AT ALL the offensive nature of the shit she posted.
It shouldn't have mattered one bit to her the age of the victims. She never addressed that.
Nothing is based on gossip. It was in a police report for crying out loud. He freaking ADMITTED it. His parents admitted it. It's not "gossip."
Saying "we all have wronged someone" seems very dismissive to those who have been molested. Like it's not a big deal, right up there with smoking a joint or stealing a necklace from Target. Molesting your sisters is not just "wrong someone."
The backstory shouldn't have even mattered. He molested 5 young girls. More than once. Over at the very least, a 2 year period. What more backstory does there need to be for her to be outraged and not say, "they were just as much at fault?"
And then, after all that, you essentially screamed at everyone with your all caps "She didn't know it wasn't consensual!" So if the 13 year old girl would have wanted her 14 year old brother to fondle her genitals, that would have made what he did A-Okay?
I really don't get why you have been so staunchly defending the horrible things she said as well as the attitude she had about the things she said.
I wish I could like this 1000 times.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 1:46:20 GMT
You have done way more than defend that Sandy made a mistake. I haven't done anything more than defend her (and now myself for the having audacity to stick up for someone) because the same thing happened to me several weeks ago when I posted about a statement made by several police officers in the news about the behavior of people taken into custody. Something that had nothing to do with the anyone's race. It covered all races. I had horrible things said about me, my "basic human decency" and what I obviously thought about about black people and more. It hit me at a hard time and basically destroyed me for a moment in time. The fact that what I said had nothing to do with race, seemed to have no bearing in the seeming need for a gang up. That's happening again here and it happens here way too often and sometimes I get tired of seeing it and speak up. I said this before, but I'll say it again... I wasn't screaming. No matter how many times or how many people explained her mistake, it was like no one was seeing it, so I put it in the biggest font we have. This is what happens here. No one reads the words being said to them. Which is bizarre to me, because you even quoted them. "Just to be clear, I'm not defending the Duggars, Huckabee or Sandy's mistake. Just the fact that she made one and said so, but people continue tearing her apart as if she didn't." I don't blame her for not coming back and attempting to explain. Too many people have said they don't believe her anyway, so why bother coming back to nobody listening and saying such vile things to you. Would you come back? At this point in time, with as many times as it's been explained, by as many people that have explained it, that she commented without knowing the facts and did not say a 4 year old or any age was at fault for being molested because that was not her understanding of the situation, as many times as it has been explained and if you still want to claim that is what she is saying, then at this point it's because you want it to be so, not because it is so. Because it isn't. She did not say that.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 2:16:09 GMT
@ilovecookies, thanks for the link, that was a very good read from the Post. This is what is bothering me the most about the whole incident "The revelation of Josh Duggar’s molestation allegations is about more than hypocrisy. This is no occasion for glee. This is a reminder of how badly the cult of purity lets victims down". The comparisons of purity to a beat up bike and a cup full of spit are vile and sadly, these innocent victims will never ever heal in the environment they are trapped in. The quote from Elizabeth Smart just serves to further illustrate how far we still have to go to protect girls. The whole fundie movement, whether Christian, Muslim or other, is based on power hungry males controlling their subjects with abuse - emotional, physical and sexual. you're welcome! I hope that everyone will read it
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Post by Just T on May 25, 2015 2:18:53 GMT
But, everything that I posted above was her coming back and explaining. Her explanations just pisssed everyone off even more.
so why bother coming back to nobody listening and saying such vile things to you. What about the vile things she said???
At this point in time, with as many times as it's been explained, by as many people that have explained it, that she commented without knowing the facts and did not say a 4 year old or any age was at fault for being molested because that was not her understanding of the situation, as many times as it has been explained and if you still want to claim that is what she is saying, then at this point it's because you want it to be so, not because it is so. Because it isn't. She did not say that.
I don't claim that is what she is saying. I am trying to say that it shouldn't matter that she didn't know on of them was only 4! The ages shouldn't matter. A 14 year old molesting his 12 or 13 or 10 or however old sister...the age does not matter. At all. It's wrong, and I don't care if they were close to his age, there is NO WAY they are just as much at fault. Nothing anyone says will ever make me agree that "oh, well she was only a year younger, so she is just as much at fault as he is." That is bullshit. And again, nothing about any of it should have been thought of as consensual, whether she knew the ages or not. Seriously, what young girl is going to have consensual sexual contact with her 14 year old BROTHER, no matter how old she is???
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 2:37:58 GMT
But, everything that I posted above was her coming back and explaining. Her explanations just pisssed everyone off even more.
so why bother coming back to nobody listening and saying such vile things to you. What about the vile things she said???
At this point in time, with as many times as it's been explained, by as many people that have explained it, that she commented without knowing the facts and did not say a 4 year old or any age was at fault for being molested because that was not her understanding of the situation, as many times as it has been explained and if you still want to claim that is what she is saying, then at this point it's because you want it to be so, not because it is so. Because it isn't. She did not say that.
I don't claim that is what she is saying. I am trying to say that it shouldn't matter that she didn't know on of them was only 4! The ages shouldn't matter. A 14 year old molesting his 12 or 13 or 10 or however old sister...the age does not matter. At all. It's wrong, and I don't care if they were close to his age, there is NO WAY they are just as much at fault. Nothing anyone says will ever make me agree that "oh, well she was only a year younger, so she is just as much at fault as he is." That is bullshit. And again, nothing about any of it should have been thought of as consensual, whether she knew the ages or not. Seriously, what young girl is going to have consensual sexual contact with her 14 year old BROTHER, no matter how old she is???
At this point in time, with as many times as it's been explained, by as many people that have explained it, that she commented without knowing the facts and did not say a 4 year old or any age was at fault for being molested because that was not her understanding of the situation, as many times as it has been explained and if you still want to claim that is what she is saying, then at this point it's because you want it to be so, not because it is so. Because it isn't. She did not say that.
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