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Post by peatlejuice on May 24, 2015 6:07:56 GMT
I still haven't seen any headlines yet. The only reason I even knew about this is from here, so maybe I'm not the only one who hasn't seen anything about this anywhere. Even now, the only thing I've seen is Huckabee's post that showed up on my Facebook because someone I know commented on it. and I got to read the whole thing, not just the part that someone here posted. Funny they left out the part that doesn't paint some of us in such a good light. Neither of you are new to the board. If you pop off on an obviously controversial topic like this without at least doing some preliminary searches, then you are trolling for a fight. Perhaps that was her intent. I've read Huckabee's entire post and I'm not sure what part you are referring to. The bloodthirsty media? That being a minor means having immature judgment? I disagree with both, at least within the scope of this event. As I've said before, it is relevant because this is a family trying to portray themselves as some sort of moral standard and who have long insinuated that all homosexuals are molesters. I don't view the molestation of your sisters as immature judgment...that is a psychological defect that needed way more therapy than "pray it away while you build a house".
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Post by back to *pea*ality on May 24, 2015 6:12:25 GMT
I have never watched the show. Each time a birth happened it garnered national media attention.
I looked for a wiki page to see the birth dates of the children. Once Jim and Michelle learned that the had an older child who hurt their younger children through sexual abuse they should have stopped the cameras and gotten *all* of their children help. Instead they concentrated on at least a half dozen additional pregnancies.
It's all about money, fame and the power that comes with it pure and simple and disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 6:16:24 GMT
I have never watched the show. Each time a birth happened it garnered national media attention. I looked for a wiki page to see the birth dates of the children. Once Jim and Michelle learned that the had an older child who hurt their younger children through sexual abuse they should have stopped the cameras and gotten *all* of their children help. Instead they concentrated on at least a half dozen additional pregnancies. It's all about money, fame and the power that comes with it pure and simple and disgusting. This!!! The parents had to have know that something was going on with 4 of their girls. Four GIRLS. You can't be a stay at home parent, around your children all the time and not know something hinky is going on. They just brushed it off hoping no one found out about Josh.
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Post by wenchie on May 24, 2015 6:34:16 GMT
I am not looking at this as "celebrity gossip" which seems mostly harmless. I am viewing this in the light from a fairly recent incident that occurred to the family of another person here. That situation was mostly 'groundless' but raised the double standard that exists today between teen girls and teen boys. I knew there was one for adults, I did not know how vicious is the one for children and teens. This incident with the younger Mr. Dugger happened when he was 14, fourteen, that's 10 plus 4. I think lots of us have kids that did some really stupid, but at the time either felt good or seemed like a good idea, or "just happened." Frankly any parent of a boy could really say there but for... I believe from the articles and such the girls were not much older or younger too. So, who is really at fault and aren't the girls just as guilty? So at what age does it stop? Or start? What is fair game for those that are set to not be satisfied with tarnishing or trashing, but outright destroy any possible adult livelihood and relationships. I think someone "broke the seal" on a juvenile record, and that person ought to be criminally charged. Those that are "breathless" over what could come out next disgust me. I pray that NO ONE you know is ever treated in a similar manner. And I pray for anyone that has boys, this could very, very easily happen to your precious child too. What happened to another really has opened my eyes to the intolorrence. Note: I do not condone what happened, seems all the parties involved had long ago settled the matter. There was punishment and discipline at the time, so why "pop up" now nearly what, 15 years later??? There. Are. No. Words. I just...I---What in the actual fu(k??
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Post by wenchie on May 24, 2015 6:44:46 GMT
I have not seen anything to tell me what age the girls were; yes I made an assumption they were close to the age of the boy. You all can be as outraged at me as you like. I did not know the ages when I posted and frankly, 15 years later I hope some healing has occurred. The good Lord knows that constant revisiting does not heal, but rather inflicts the pain again and again. Those who were abused as children, teens or as adults, I cannot help you. I cannot change what happened to you. But I did not abuse you, nor do I doubt that abuse happened. I will pray that you can find healing. I know no one forgets, and very few can even forgive. I've been around to know about the flame-proof suit, but do all of you here tell me that you would "cut-off" your son if he was ever accused? He would be "dead" unto you? I merely question the reason for bringing this up in the first place, doing judgement and condemnation based upon what? Gossip? We all have feet of clay, we have things that we did we hope never comes to the light of day, we all have wronged someone. Four of the five are his SISTERS. This is not normal or just fooling around. You really need to research it before you speak out. And it is NOT rumor. They admitted it and there is a police report with full details of his many times abusing them. Hell yes I judge. Especially when the family clams that LGBT are the ones to watch out for and abuse children. In fact it was their son. That family's sense of moral superiority is part of the reason people have really been outraged by this, that and the fact those girls haven't received any professional al counseling. Jesus, sandy, you are a real piece of work. And sadly, you are too ignorant to realize how fucked up what you posted is.
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Post by Karenina on May 24, 2015 7:25:21 GMT
Four of the five are his SISTERS. This is not normal or just fooling around. You really need to research it before you speak out. And it is NOT rumor. They admitted it and there is a police report with full details of his many times abusing them. Hell yes I judge. Especially when the family clams that LGBT are the ones to watch out for and abuse children. In fact it was their son. That family's sense of moral superiority is part of the reason people have really been outraged by this, that and the fact those girls haven't received any professional al counseling. Jesus, sandy, you are a real piece of work. And sadly, you are too ignorant to realize how fucked up what you posted is. What in the serious fuck?? You seriously think these girls "are just as guilty"? ETA: My apologies, I'm tired! I was meant to quote this gem: This incident with the younger Mr. Dugger happened when he was 14, fourteen, that's 10 plus 4. I think lots of us have kids that did some really stupid, but at the time either felt good or seemed like a good idea, or "just happened." Frankly any parent of a boy could really say there but for... I believe from the articles and such the girls were not much older or younger too. So, who is really at fault and aren't the girls just as guilty?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 7:29:26 GMT
I still haven't seen any headlines yet. The only reason I even knew about this is from here, so maybe I'm not the only one who hasn't seen anything about this anywhere. Even now, the only thing I've seen is Huckabee's post that showed up on my Facebook because someone I know commented on it. and I got to read the whole thing, not just the part that someone here posted. Funny they left out the part that doesn't paint some of us in such a good light. Neither of you are new to the board. If you pop off on an obviously controversial topic like this without at least doing some preliminary searches, then you are trolling for a fight. Perhaps that was her intent. She doesn't have that reputation so it all points to just what she said. She made a mistake and assumed. It happens. She had recent Pea issues on her mind and didn't have all the facts. Should she have researched? Sure. But if you mistakenly think you know what's going on enough to comment, you don't think you need to research. She's human and she made a mistake. To keep on tearing her apart after that has been explained says more about those doing it than her mistake. We aren't the media, so obviously no, but you knew that. Again no. I don't really want to debate the relevance of what he said and whether or not it pertains to this thread. It was worth noting that very obvious part was left out when his post was quoted here.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 13:21:31 GMT
Neither of you are new to the board. If you pop off on an obviously controversial topic like this without at least doing some preliminary searches, then you are trolling for a fight. Perhaps that was her intent. She doesn't have that reputation so it all points to just what she said. She made a mistake and assumed. It happens. She had recent Pea issues on her mind and didn't have all the facts. Should she have researched? Sure. But if you mistakenly think you know what's going on enough to comment, you don't think you need to research. She's human and she made a mistake. To keep on tearing her apart after that has been explained says more about those doing it than her mistake. We aren't the media, so obviously no, but you knew that. Again no. I don't really want to debate the relevance of what he said and whether or not it pertains to this thread. It was worth noting that very obvious part was left out when his post was quoted here. Gia just stop. You are sitting here telling us how wrong we are about sandy but then going on to make assumptions and jabs about a quote. Huckabee is siding with the Duggars. Who freaking hid a child molester. That's all that matters. Your devils advocate shtick is ridiculous here. The Duggars are wrong, Huckabee is wrong and sandy never ever should've commented on a topic she knew nothing about. She still hasn't said OMG I'm so sorry I didn't realize he MOLESTED HIS SISTERS. that's what any other person who made a mistake that huge would do.
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Post by amom23 on May 24, 2015 13:26:59 GMT
Gia LuPeaA why are you continually coming to the defense of BuckeyeSandy? Are you related or something? Geez, BuckeyeSandy seems perfectly capable of writing what's on her mind. Unfortunately for her you can't always recant with the "My Bad" position and have a do-over on the board.
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Post by christine58 on May 24, 2015 13:35:55 GMT
I am not looking at this as "celebrity gossip" which seems mostly harmless. I am viewing this in the light from a fairly recent incident that occurred to the family of another person here. That situation was mostly 'groundless' but raised the double standard that exists today between teen girls and teen boys. I knew there was one for adults, I did not know how vicious is the one for children and teens. This incident with the younger Mr. Dugger happened when he was 14, fourteen, that's 10 plus 4. I think lots of us have kids that did some really stupid, but at the time either felt good or seemed like a good idea, or "just happened." Frankly any parent of a boy could really say there but for... I believe from the articles and such the girls were not much older or younger too. So, who is really at fault and aren't the girls just as guilty?So at what age does it stop? Or start? What is fair game for those that are set to not be satisfied with tarnishing or trashing, but outright destroy any possible adult livelihood and relationships. I think someone "broke the seal" on a juvenile record, and that person ought to be criminally charged. Those that are "breathless" over what could come out next disgust me. I pray that NO ONE you know is ever treated in a similar manner. And I pray for anyone that has boys, this could very, very easily happen to your precious child too. What happened to another really has opened my eyes to the intolorrence. Note: I do not condone what happened, seems all the parties involved had long ago settled the matter. There was punishment and discipline at the time, so why "pop up" now nearly what, 15 years later??? There. Are. No. Words. I just...I---What in the actual fu(k?? I am sick.... BuckeyeSandy And the other pea that you mentioned in this post where her son was accused, there are no words to figure out your logic in comparing the two.
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Post by greenlegume on May 24, 2015 13:37:07 GMT
Neither of you are new to the board. If you pop off on an obviously controversial topic like this without at least doing some preliminary searches, then you are trolling for a fight. Perhaps that was her intent. She doesn't have that reputation so it all points to just what she said. She made a mistake and assumed. It happens. She had recent Pea issues on her mind and didn't have all the facts. Should she have researched? Sure. But if you mistakenly think you know what's going on enough to comment, you don't think you need to research. She's human and she made a mistake. To keep on tearing her apart after that has been explained says more about those doing it than her mistake. We aren't the media, so obviously no, but you knew that. Again no. I don't really want to debate the relevance of what he said and whether or not it pertains to this thread. It was worth noting that very obvious part was left out when his post was quoted here.
No it wasn't. It was just part of trolling for a fight. You'd know all about trolling for a fight. It's what you do. Constantly.
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Post by greenlegume on May 24, 2015 13:40:07 GMT
She didn't know it wasn't consensual. Of course. No argument there. Her thesis, at least to me, seemed to be that the sexual behavior was consensual among siblings and that the accusations were false. And she compared it to a rape accusation discussed on this board, not playing doctor (metaphor or not). Yes, she made an incorrect assumption about (some of the) ages. But based on that, she made some statements about accusers, "intolerance," and "vicious double standards." She warned us that our precious sons could be snared by girls like this. The four year-old thing is a red herring. It bothers me that even in our outrage we need to continually refer to the littlest girls - as if they are the most legitimate victims. Yes, that was especially hateful and vile.
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Post by julieb on May 24, 2015 13:46:13 GMT
Gia LuPeaA why are you continually coming to the defense of BuckeyeSandy? Are you related or something? Geez, BuckeyeSandy seems perfectly capable of writing what's on her mind. Unfortunately for her you can't always recant with the "My Bad" position and have a do-over on the board.
I'm not getting it either. "She didn't know it wasn't consensual" is just a ridiculous defense. The entire thread (and another thread on this board) is talking about these girls being molested, which means a crime was committed on a minor. Sandy meant what she said. The end.
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Post by Just T on May 24, 2015 13:58:31 GMT
Yep. And in my mind, it matters not one tiny little bit that they were "close in age." Why the hell does that even make a difference? A 14 year old boy engaging in sexual behaviors with his 12 or 13 year old sister somehow makes it better and makes her just as guilty as he is? I think not.
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Post by roundtwo on May 24, 2015 15:11:56 GMT
@ilovecookies, thanks for the link, that was a very good read from the Post.
This is what is bothering me the most about the whole incident "The revelation of Josh Duggar’s molestation allegations is about more than hypocrisy. This is no occasion for glee. This is a reminder of how badly the cult of purity lets victims down". The comparisons of purity to a beat up bike and a cup full of spit are vile and sadly, these innocent victims will never ever heal in the environment they are trapped in.
The quote from Elizabeth Smart just serves to further illustrate how far we still have to go to protect girls.
The whole fundie movement, whether Christian, Muslim or other, is based on power hungry males controlling their subjects with abuse - emotional, physical and sexual.
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Post by greenlegume on May 24, 2015 16:08:40 GMT
@ilovecookies, thanks for the link, that was a very good read from the Post. This is what is bothering me the most about the whole incident "The revelation of Josh Duggar’s molestation allegations is about more than hypocrisy. This is no occasion for glee. This is a reminder of how badly the cult of purity lets victims down". The comparisons of purity to a beat up bike and a cup full of spit are vile and sadly, these innocent victims will never ever heal in the environment they are trapped in. The quote from Elizabeth Smart just serves to further illustrate how far we still have to go to protect girls. The whole fundie movement, whether Christian, Muslim or other, is based on power hungry males controlling their subjects with abuse, emotional, physical and sexual.
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 24, 2015 16:16:19 GMT
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Post by greenlegume on May 24, 2015 16:17:59 GMT
Another very insightful op-ed that makes some different and very valid points: link
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Post by mallie on May 24, 2015 18:13:34 GMT
We can't really be surprised by any of this, can we? I mean, really, truly, honestly surprised?
This family is a cult led by a man and woman who have sexually fetishized fertility. controlled/demonized normal psycho-sexual development, while simultaneously diminishing females to the role of walking wombs and hands in service to men. Whenever you turn humans into nothing more than vessels of service without control over their own lives, perversion either is at the root of it or will result. Or both -- cause AND effect.
It has always been there. The truth was hidden for a while. But perversions have a way of coming to the surface. In my experience, it's critical to make note of those who defend perpetrators once their evil is visible. They are showing you their heart. Believe what they are showing you.
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Post by lumo on May 24, 2015 18:32:00 GMT
We can't really be surprised by any of this, can we? I mean, really, truly, honestly surprised? This family is a cult led by a man and woman who have sexually fetishized fertility. controlled/demonized normal psycho-sexual development, while simultaneously diminishing females to the role of walking wombs and hands in service to men. Whenever you turn humans into nothing more than vessels of service without control over their own lives, perversion either is at the root of it or will result. Or both -- cause AND effect. It has always been there. The truth was hidden for a while. But perversions have a way of coming to the surface. In my experience, it's critical to make note of those who defend perpetrators once their evil is visible. They are showing you their heart. Believe what they are showing you. Well said.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 18:48:57 GMT
Gia LuPeaA why are you continually coming to the defense of BuckeyeSandy? Are you related or something? Geez, BuckeyeSandy seems perfectly capable of writing what's on her mind. Unfortunately for her you can't always recant with the "My Bad" position and have a do-over on the board. Because the same thing happened to me several weeks ago when I posted about a statement made by several police officers in the news about the behavior of people taken into custody. Something that had nothing to do with the anyone's race. It covered all races. I had horrible things said about me, my "basic human decency" and what I obviously thought about about black people and more. It hit me at a hard time and basically destroyed me for a moment in time. The fact that what I said had nothing to do with race, seemed to have no bearing in the seeming need for a gang up. That's happening again here and it happens here way too often and sometimes I get tired of seeing it and speak up. As a side note, it was odd that a Pea who has never, ever made a post anywhere but the General Scrapping Board in the entire year we've been here, suddenly came over here to start that pile on. No matter what I said to her, no matter how I explained to her that it didn't have a single thing to do with race, I was demonized repeatedly by her and others joined in. It's odd that she's never made another post over here since.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 18:51:28 GMT
She doesn't have that reputation so it all points to just what she said. She made a mistake and assumed. It happens. She had recent Pea issues on her mind and didn't have all the facts. Should she have researched? Sure. But if you mistakenly think you know what's going on enough to comment, you don't think you need to research. She's human and she made a mistake. To keep on tearing her apart after that has been explained says more about those doing it than her mistake. We aren't the media, so obviously no, but you knew that. Again no. I don't really want to debate the relevance of what he said and whether or not it pertains to this thread. It was worth noting that very obvious part was left out when his post was quoted here.
No it wasn't. It was just part of trolling for a fight. You'd know all about trolling for a fight. It's what you do. Constantly. Do not mistake difference of opinion or speaking up for myself or someone else being attacked, as trolling for a fight.
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Post by pierogi on May 24, 2015 19:06:41 GMT
We can't really be surprised by any of this, can we? I mean, really, truly, honestly surprised? This family is a cult led by a man and woman who have sexually fetishized fertility. controlled/demonized normal psycho-sexual development, while simultaneously diminishing females to the role of walking wombs and hands in service to men. Whenever you turn humans into nothing more than vessels of service without control over their own lives, perversion either is at the root of it or will result. Or both -- cause AND effect. It has always been there. The truth was hidden for a while. But perversions have a way of coming to the surface. In my experience, it's critical to make note of those who defend perpetrators once their evil is visible. They are showing you their heart. Believe what they are showing you. If we were on Reddit, I'd give you gold for this post. So eloquently put.
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Post by greenlegume on May 24, 2015 19:08:29 GMT
No it wasn't. It was just part of trolling for a fight. You'd know all about trolling for a fight. It's what you do. Constantly. Do not mistake difference of opinion or speaking up for myself or someone else being attacked, as trolling for a fight. Oh, I'm not. I've seen your posting history. It's the birthday threads and trolling for fights. Although you did sprinkle in some innocuous posts during and after your whole troll war with foolana.
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Post by Sam on May 24, 2015 19:31:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 19:38:31 GMT
Do not mistake difference of opinion or speaking up for myself or someone else being attacked, as trolling for a fight. Oh, I'm not. I've seen your posting history. It's the birthday threads and trolling for fights. Although you did sprinkle in some innocuous posts during and after your whole troll war with foolana. I don't troll for fights. Yes, I made the mistake of attempting to discuss things with Foolana and often ended up in a circular conversation that never went anywhere but with her attacking me and me defending myself. Very similar to this side track. I also made the mistake of warning others or agreeing with them when she did it to them. I also stuck up for others when it happened to them and eventually learned that it's best just to steer clear of her altogether. Doing otherwise gets you lumped in with her actions and no one can tell who is trolling who anymore. Occasionally I post a different opinion and it gets debated, that isn't trolling for fights. If you feel the need to paint it that way, that's on you.
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Post by Sam on May 24, 2015 19:42:09 GMT
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Post by greenlegume on May 24, 2015 19:44:07 GMT
Oh, I'm not. I've seen your posting history. It's the birthday threads and trolling for fights. Although you did sprinkle in some innocuous posts during and after your whole troll war with foolana. I don't troll for fights. Yes, I made the mistake of attempting to discuss things with Foolana and often ended up in a circular conversation that never went anywhere but with her attacking me and me defending myself. Very similar to this side track. I also made the mistake of warning others or agreeing with them when she did it to them. I also stuck up for others when it happened to them and eventually learned that it's best just to steer clear of her altogether. Doing otherwise gets you lumped in with her actions and no one can tell who is trolling who anymore. Occasionally I post a different opinion and it gets debated, that isn't trolling for fights. If you feel the need to paint it that way, that's on you. I'm perfectly ok with the impression you have made on me. You have shown me who you are and what you defend. That's all on you
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 19:52:24 GMT
I don't troll for fights. Yes, I made the mistake of attempting to discuss things with Foolana and often ended up in a circular conversation that never went anywhere but with her attacking me and me defending myself. Very similar to this side track. I also made the mistake of warning others or agreeing with them when she did it to them. I also stuck up for others when it happened to them and eventually learned that it's best just to steer clear of her altogether. Doing otherwise gets you lumped in with her actions and no one can tell who is trolling who anymore. Occasionally I post a different opinion and it gets debated, that isn't trolling for fights. If you feel the need to paint it that way, that's on you. I'm perfectly ok with the impression you have made on me. You have shown me who you are and what you defend. That's all on you Just to be clear, I'm not defending the Duggars, Huckabee or Sandy' mistake. Just the fact that she made one and said so, but people continue tearing her apart af if she didn't. No person in their right mind should find fault with that.
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Post by Nanner on May 24, 2015 21:18:04 GMT
We can't really be surprised by any of this, can we? I mean, really, truly, honestly surprised? This family is a cult led by a man and woman who have sexually fetishized fertility. controlled/demonized normal psycho-sexual development, while simultaneously diminishing females to the role of walking wombs and hands in service to men. Whenever you turn humans into nothing more than vessels of service without control over their own lives, perversion either is at the root of it or will result. Or both -- cause AND effect. It has always been there. The truth was hidden for a while. But perversions have a way of coming to the surface. In my experience, it's critical to make note of those who defend perpetrators once their evil is visible. They are showing you their heart. Believe what they are showing you. Well said. Agreed
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