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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 2:37:19 GMT
SEATTLE (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was shoved aside by several Black Lives Matter activists and eventually left a Saturday afternoon event in Seattle without giving his speech.
Sanders was just starting to address several thousand people gathered shoulder to shoulder at Westlake Park when two women took over the microphone. Organizers couldn't persuade the two to wait and agreed to give them a few minutes.
As Sanders stepped back, the women spoke about Ferguson and the killing of Michael Brown and held a four minute moment of silence.
When the crowd asked the activists to allow Sanders to speak, one activist called the crowd "white supremacist liberals," according to event participants.
After waiting about 20 minutes, Sanders himself was pushed away when he tried to take the microphone back. Instead, he waved goodbye, left the stage with a raised fist salute and waded into the crowd. He shook hands and posed for photos with supporters for about 15 minutes, and then left.
The rally at Westlake Park was organized as a birthday celebration for Social security, Medicare and Medicaid.
It's not the first time that Black Lives Matter activists disrupt the Vermont senator's event.
At a town hall for Democratic presidential candidates in Phoenix last month, protesters affiliated with the Black Lives Matter movement took over the stage and disrupted an interview with Sanders and former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley.
In his campaign, Sanders has chiefly focused on issues like the middle class, climate change and criminal justice reform. In addition to advocating a $15-an-hour minimum wage and raising taxes on the rich, Sanders also supports a massive government-led jobs program to fix roads and bridges, a single-payer health care system, an expansion of Social Security benefits and debt-free college.
Sanders will hold a campaign rally at the University of Washington this evening. He will be driving to Portland on Sunday and is scheduled to hold a Sunday night rally at Portland's Moda Center, which has a capacity of about 19,000 and is home of the NBA's Portland Trail Blazers. The event had originally been scheduled at Veterans Memorial Coliseum, which can handle about 12,000.
Sanders heads to an event in Los Angeles on Monday.
news.yahoo.com/black-lives-matter-activists-disrupt-bernie-sanders-speech-225833965--election.html
"White supremacist liberals". Awesome. First we had the racist conservatives. Now they've moved on to "white supremacist liberals". At least they're equal opportunity haters.
Seriously...this is complete bull shit.
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Post by georgiapea on Aug 9, 2015 2:49:46 GMT
No more so than any other life. At the event in question it was Bernie Sanders life that 'mattered' in that he was the guest speaker.
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Post by Nicole in TX on Aug 9, 2015 2:51:40 GMT
How sad. They are losing their message in their presentation. And I also thought it was the conservatives who were racists. Did they have the wrong rally?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 2:57:44 GMT
How sad. They are losing their message in their presentation. And I also thought it was the conservatives who were racists. Did they have the wrong rally? To me, that's the saddest part. All some people are able to see is skin color.
But remember, black people cannot be racist.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 9, 2015 2:58:26 GMT
It is bullshit. These activists are really becoming bullies themselves!
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Post by happymomma on Aug 9, 2015 5:29:00 GMT
Was there no security at this event to snag these yahoos off the stage?
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Post by peatlejuice on Aug 9, 2015 5:52:00 GMT
Was there no security at this event to snag these yahoos off the stage? This was my husband's first thought, too. I have lots more thoughts about this, but it'll have to wait until morning.
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Post by happymomma on Aug 9, 2015 6:02:06 GMT
Was there no security at this event to snag these yahoos off the stage? This was my husband's first thought, too. I have lots more thoughts about this, but it'll have to wait until morning. LOL. I have more thoughts too, but I'm sure you can guess what they are by my calling them yahoos above.
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Post by MorellisCupcake on Aug 9, 2015 6:08:40 GMT
Total bullshit.
I think there has to be oversight over police abuse of power and investigation into shootings that happen.
In this case, it was done. Over.
Michael Brown was a thug and a bully and while he didn't deserve to die, he wasn't innocent in what happened.
I hate that he's being raised to champion the "black lives matter" campaign.
And crap like what happened in the OP doesn't help the cause at all. I know, I'm white and semi-privileged and don't understand racism in America today. Maybe so. But I do have mad respect for protest for change (Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks) and would support protesters like that with all I have.
I think protesters like that do far more damage than good for their cause.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 11:49:57 GMT
How sad. They are losing their message in their presentation. And I also thought it was the conservatives who were racists. Did they have the wrong rally? To me, that's the saddest part. All some people are able to see is skin color.
But remember, black people cannot be racist.
First, is conservative a skin color? I was unaware This disruption was in direct response to recent comment sanders made about black lives matter. You may not agree with disruptions and that's fine, but learn what the hell you're talking about before opening your mouth. And then sit back and sling idiot comments while blacks have to fight and protest to get equal rights in America. Be happy you don't have to organize and March just to be heard, or have your children shot to get the nations attention. Good God, sometimes you people are so obtuse. You can't just say you disagree with their tactics and move on? You are the epitome of "unaware." Be passionate about something. Make a difference. DO something!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 11:55:20 GMT
Was there no security at this event to snag these yahoos off the stage? But you know the media would spin that out of context. Shit is getting so out of control.
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Post by SabrinaM on Aug 9, 2015 11:59:06 GMT
To me, that's the saddest part. All some people are able to see is skin color.
But remember, black people cannot be racist.
First, is conservative a skin color? I was unaware This disruption was in direct response to recent comment sanders made about black lives matter. You may not agree with disruptions and that's fine, but learn what the hell you're talking about before opening your mouth. And then sit back and sling idiot comments while blacks have to fight and protest to get equal rights in America. Be happy you don't have to organize and March just to be heard, or have your children shot to get the nations attention. Good God, sometimes you people are so obtuse. You can't just say you disagree with their tactics and move on? You are the epitome of "unaware." Be passionate about something. Make a difference. DO something! Curious.. What have YOU done? I'm not a fan of Sanders, but there ARE ways of expressing yourself without making an ass of yourselves.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 12:10:40 GMT
I fight. It's a constant battle because every time one thing happens (as did yesterday) we get the same typical comments. I am a member of at least three movements for change for blacks in America., blacklivesmatter being one. I have held signs and marched with protesters. I am firmly entrenched and can use my white self to help others to understand. It has cost me personally as well, losing several friends.
Bernie sanders could be an ally for minorities and I think he wants to be, he just needs to think before he speaks, as do we all.
This absolutely IS the new civil rights movement. And these ARE tactics that were used in the sixties to protest Vietnam and other things.
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Post by farmdpea on Aug 9, 2015 12:32:26 GMT
There is an approach time, place, and way in which to do things. Sounds like these two women did more to hurt rather than help their cause.
whoops. Approach = appropriate
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 12:54:07 GMT
Maybe, to those who don't understand. There's a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking here. But these women fight every day. you, general you, see a four second blip on tv, it makes you uncomfortable, and then you dive in with the nasty comments. Thug. Blacks can't be racist (my personal fave). Hurting their cause.
On the flip, two single women did that. Not an army. Just two powerful women. I think that's pretty cool.
Really, take a moment. Ponder. Why?? Put yourself in someone else's shoes. Educate yourself. Look at things from a non white middle class point of view.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 12:54:59 GMT
There is an approach time, place, and way in which to do things. Sounds like these two women did more to hurt rather than help their cause. When would that be? How would that be?
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 9, 2015 12:59:10 GMT
Maybe, to those who don't understand. There's a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking here. But these women fight every day. you, general you, see a four second blip on tv, it makes you uncomfortable, and then you dive in with the nasty comments. Thug. Blacks can't be racist (my personal fave). Hurting their cause. On the flip, two single women did that. Not an army. Just two powerful women. I think that's pretty cool. Really, take a moment. Ponder. Why?? Put yourself in someone else's shoes. Educate yourself. Look at things from a non white middle class point of view. But people came to hear Sanders speak on a variety of important issues. I'm not sure what those women accomplished by yelling at an unreceptive audience.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 13:03:11 GMT
Disruption is one tactic. The audience, democratic mostly of course, did and does support the cause. Mostly.
And they want Bernie sanders to understand that if he is a nominee or possibly president, he needs to learn and support the cause.
You know why they haven't disrupted Hilary's campaign? Because she is already working for blacks.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 9, 2015 13:37:10 GMT
But many in the crowd were not supportive of the disruption. This is from today's Seattle Times:
"Gerald Hankerson, president of the Seattle King County NAACP, said he was “torn” by the protest. Hankerson spoke at the Westlake rally and led the crowd at one point in a chant of “Black Lives Matter.”
But he said he was surprised at how hostile some in the liberal crowd were to the protesters.
“I know they were there to hear Bernie, but what was missed was the message of these two women,” Hankerson said. “I would have loved to have seen Bernie respond to what they wanted.”
Of course people were pissed. Sanders was the keynote speaker.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 13:39:32 GMT
Actually now the Seattle BLM office has come out to say that this was not be of their sanctioned events. And apologized to sanders.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 13:41:19 GMT
To me, that's the saddest part. All some people are able to see is skin color.
But remember, black people cannot be racist.
First, is conservative a skin color? I was unaware This disruption was in direct response to recent comment sanders made about black lives matter. You may not agree with disruptions and that's fine, but learn what the hell you're talking about before opening your mouth. And then sit back and sling idiot comments while blacks have to fight and protest to get equal rights in America. Be happy you don't have to organize and March just to be heard, or have your children shot to get the nations attention. Good God, sometimes you people are so obtuse. You can't just say you disagree with their tactics and move on? You are the epitome of "unaware." Be passionate about something. Make a difference. DO something! Conservative is not a skin color, obviously. I don't know where the fuck you think I said or implied that...but have at it. If you have somehow missed all of the dialogue over the racist Republicans then perhaps you have no right to point the finger and dare call anyone else obtuse.
Because you disagree with me does in no way mean I need to "learn what the hell I'm talking about". Of course, yours is the only valid opinion. Yours is the only truth. That's really not how it works but with your attitude, I can clearly see that's perhaps how you get along in life.
Black lives matter using Michael Brown as its poster child is all sorts of fucked up. I'm sorry you don't see that. I bet if you were victimized by him you'd feel differently. He is no victim of police violence, brutality, or racism. The choices he made in life and the choices he made in the hours and minutes leading up to his death are problematic. If Eric Holder and the Justice Dept couldn't find anything wrong with the actions of Darren Wilson on that day that should be enough. (because you KNOW they looked...you know they were HOPING to find something...you KNOW they tried...empty handed)
You are really, really angry and I'm not really sure how your hostile attitude on this message board is "making a difference" in the grand scheme, but clearly it's important to you.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 9, 2015 13:42:50 GMT
So what happened? Were those women acting on their own?
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Post by hop2 on Aug 9, 2015 13:47:54 GMT
Disruption is one tactic. The audience, democratic mostly of course, did and does support the cause. Mostly. And they want Bernie sanders to understand that if he is a nominee or possibly president, he needs to learn and support the cause. You know why they haven't disrupted Hilary's campaign? Because she is already working for blacks. That last sentance is.... Hillary works for Hillary. Anything else is just smoke and mirrors. As far as the protest in the OP goes, everyone involved missed an opportunity. Sadly. It's to me we deal with, converse about, change, racism in this country. But this didn't move anyone's cause in any direction. Once they had his attention they should have had, even if it just a start, a conversation. Silence, deadlock, doesn't get you anywhere, refusing to talk about doesn't get you anywhere. Refusing to LISTEN doesn't get you anywhere. Once they interrupted him, Bernie Sanders should have, could have began a conversation. Trust me, you do not need a microphone to have a conversation. A great opportunity was created by 2 people and all involved let it pass without grabbing it, without talking. Let it go with out accomplishing a damn thing. So it was a sadly missed opportunity by all. Since it was a missed opportunity it just becomes awkward fodder for the press and doesn't move anyone's agenda forward. Sigh Lastly I'll post this link. Perhaps it can open minds, perhaps not but it sure was an interesting read goodmenproject.com/featured-content/white-fragility-why-its-so-hard-to-talk-to-white-people-about-racism-twlm/
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Post by happymomma on Aug 9, 2015 13:57:28 GMT
You know, I find this place to be a pretty accurate representation of the general public on most topics. You will see both sides post passionately on many issues, just as there are people on both sides of issues in real life. From the replies in this thread, about THIS incident, it seems most agree that this wasn't the time or place to throw up a protest. I've also read more than one reply that states that this kind of shenanigan is not helping the cause. It is a disrespectful, disruptive and rude way to go about raising awareness. How and when to do things in a positive manner? The same way people do about other issues. Schedule mass attended rallies showcasing your own cause, with speakers on the topic. Organize marches. Hold town hall meetings. Write to your congressman. Organize your own events where your cause is the focus of the evening. There are a lot of things that can be done to make yourselves heard, but if it is support you are looking for you need to be respectful and likable to those you want to support you. That just makes common sense.
My husband is part of a group called the Agent Orange Riders and they work very very hard to raise awareness about the victims of Agent Orange and other dioxins. They too have a goal of bringing awareness to the government. They do all of the things I listed above. They don't crash in on other events and bring negative attention to themselves. They do show their passion though! They just do it through proper channels where it is most likely their voices will be heard with supportive ears and changes are being made as a result.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 9, 2015 14:04:43 GMT
Actually now the Seattle BLM office has come out to say that this was not be of their sanctioned events. And apologized to sanders. Well they might want to update their facebook page. Isn't Marissa Johnson one of the women on the stage?
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 14:11:39 GMT
You know, I find this place to be a pretty accurate representation of the general public on most topics. You will see both sides post passionately on many issues, just as there are people on both sides of issues in real life. From the replies in this thread, about THIS incident, it seems most agree that this wasn't the time or place to throw up a protest. I've also read more than one reply that states that this kind of shenanigan is not helping the cause. It is a disrespectful, disruptive and rude way to go about raising awareness. How and when to do things in a positive manner? The same way people do about other issues. Schedule mass attended rallies showcasing your own cause, with speakers on the topic. Organize marches. Hold town hall meetings. Write to your congressman. Organize your own events where your cause is the focus of the evening. There are a lot of things that can be done to make yourselves heard, but if it is support you are looking for you need to be respectful and likable to those you want to support you. That just makes common sense. My husband is part of a group called the Agent Orange Riders and they work very very hard to raise awareness about the victims of Agent Orange and other dioxins. They too have a goal of bringing awareness to the government. They do all of the things I listed above. They don't crash in on other events and bring negative attention to themselves. They do show their passion though! They just do it through proper channels where it is most likely their voices will be heard with supportive ears and changes are being made as a result. You can't possibly believe that the peas are demographically diverse. That's funny.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 14:19:49 GMT
Actually now the Seattle BLM office has come out to say that this was not be of their sanctioned events. And apologized to sanders. Well they might want to update their facebook page. Isn't Marissa Johnson one of the women on the stage? Yes, there does need to be clarification. I'm hearing lots of different things.
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Post by happymomma on Aug 9, 2015 14:20:38 GMT
Well, I'm glad you find humor in my thoughts. I do feel that both sides of issues are generally represented here as a rule.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 14:22:22 GMT
I recommend ferguson: a report from occupied territory. It's on the fusion channel.
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Post by AnotherPea on Aug 9, 2015 15:23:33 GMT
Maybe, to those who don't understand. There's a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking here. But these women fight every day. you, general you, see a four second blip on tv, it makes you uncomfortable, and then you dive in with the nasty comments. Thug. Blacks can't be racist (my personal fave). Hurting their cause. On the flip, two single women did that. Not an army. Just two powerful women. I think that's pretty cool. Really, take a moment. Ponder. Why?? Put yourself in someone else's shoes. Educate yourself. Look at things from a non white middle class point of view. Why do you assume that we haven't educated ourselves and can't look past our own lives? Why can't it be that we just don't agree with what you (general) say? Is the idea that tactics, methods, accusations are wrong THAT inconceivable? That we MUST be ignorant if we disagree?
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