happymomma
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Post by happymomma on Aug 9, 2015 19:41:03 GMT
Maybe it's just me but if I knew there was a steep fine that I couldn't afford for jaywalking and I felt that I was sure to be ticketed and therefore start a downward spiral of life for doing so, I would make sure I wasn't jaywalking. That, you must admit, does seem to be a simple way not to get a ticket for jaywalking.
I have a feeling that there are bigger issues than jaywalking at play. Racial tension is not a good thing in any town or circumstance.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 19:58:29 GMT
Can't quote this post because it's already been screwed up...so I'll copy/paste. "Most social change happens this way." - Peace Sign Maybe social change TODAY happens this way. But this kind of bullshit is NOT how Rosa Parks did it. This is NOT how the students at the University of AL did it. This is NOT how the Freedom Riders did it. This is NOT how MLK Jr. did it. Personally, I think those so powerful in the Civil Rights Movement of the 60's would be mortified to see how it's "done" today. The Civil Rights "activists" today have NOTHING on those brave men and women did in the 60's. You want to talk about bravery and actions taking "guts" to do? Look at history. BLM movement would also be wise to look at history and how to protest and how to behave...and who they're making their poster child if they're truly trying to bring about anything at all positive. You must have a very whitewashed idea of what the 60s civil rights campaign was. Rosa parks included. Protesters were lynched.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 20:01:27 GMT
. Yeah, "I'm" angry. Did you read your own angry post? Your post, in addition to the post you quoted, brought up racism, conservatives and skin color in a really unclear way. And again, if you think blacklivesmatter is all about mike brown, you are sorely mistaken. Which is why I said you should educate yourself if you want to speak on racism and or blacklivesmatter. But you won't, because you don't care and you don't want to. And that is fine up until the point where you come on message boards spouting opinions based on sound bytes, your husband, and nonsense. There's no fact in your argument. It makes you look stupid, hon. In ferguson, 95% of jaywalking tickets are given to blacks. This began a system of funding small police forces off the fines given to minorities, who can't pay in a timely way and then are thrown in jail. That is the short version of it and THAT is what the justice department deemed unfair and wrong in their report. THAT is what has been festering for years and what came to a head the day mike brown was killed. Could it be that those 95% of the blacks were breaking the law, this given a ticket? Where is the flip side that that? If 100 people jaywalk and 95 of those people are black, then yes, that statistic would be accurate. But you are using only the parts that make your argument sound better---you are assuming that ONLY black people were given tickets based on their COLOR. You have no idea whatsoever how many "white" people were given a pass on jaywalking. You do know that Ferguson is a community where the MAJORITY of the population is black, right? So your statistics is not as "shocking" as you are trying to make it!!! It's people like you who jump in for a cause and spout off unbalanced or ineffective, incomplete, or relationally irrelevant statistics that poison the pool of facts that ARE out there for a particular cause. It is not that what is spouted makes us "uncomfortable" as you so coyly suggested, it pisses us off that these so called activists are now bullies, push people around, interrupt someone else's platform, are just as violent or more so than what has happened. And it is people like you, these "powerful activists" as you so put it, that cannot concede--no, REFUSE, to see or concede that there might be a better time or place for such protests, that the bullying behavior makes it worse (who's going to take them seriously?) , and that people in general respond better to civilized discussion? You won't, they won't, so you keep making it worse. [ I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion, call myself a "powerful activist" or think that I know everything. I'm giving some information.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 20:03:28 GMT
Maybe it's just me but if I knew there was a steep fine that I couldn't afford for jaywalking and I felt that I was sure to be ticketed and therefore start a downward spiral of life for doing so, I would make sure I wasn't jaywalking. That, you must admit, does seem to be a simple way not to get a ticket for jaywalking. I have a feeling that there are bigger issues than jaywalking at play. Racial tension is not a good thing in any town or circumstance. This, in other words, is saying "hey black people!! Do what your told!" Whether or not the rules were fair. I'm not directing this at you personally, mind you. But are we really saying to never challenge authority? No matter how skewed it might be?
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Post by RiverIsis on Aug 9, 2015 20:03:58 GMT
Could it be that those 95% of the blacks were breaking the law, this given a ticket? Where is the flip side that that? If 100 people jaywalk and 95 of those people are black, then yes, that statistic would be accurate. But you are using only the parts that make your argument sound better---you are assuming that ONLY black people were given tickets based on their COLOR. You have no idea whatsoever how many "white" people were given a pass on jaywalking. You do know that Ferguson is a community where the MAJORITY of the population is black, right? So your statistics is not as "shocking" as you are trying to make it!!! It's people like you who jump in for a cause and spout off unbalanced or ineffective, incomplete, or relationally irrelevant statistics that poison the pool of facts that ARE out there for a particular cause. It is not that what is spouted makes us "uncomfortable" as you so coyly suggested, it pisses us off that these so called activists are now bullies, push people around, interrupt someone else's platform, are just as violent or more so than what has happened. And it is people like you, these "powerful activists" as you so put it, that cannot concede--no, REFUSE, to see or concede that there might be a better time or place for such protests, that the bullying behavior makes it worse (who's going to take them seriously?) , and that people in general respond better to civilized discussion? You won't, they won't, so you keep making it worse. That was a super condensed version of the longtime problems in ferguson. Yes, jaywalking is against the law. Yes, blacks make up the majority of the ferguson population. But some are stopped 3x a week and there are no sidewalks in their communities. Fines can be $350. They go unpaid because the working poor don't have a spare $350. Then people come to their homes and arrest them. Then they lose their jobs. Then YOU are supporting them. Isn't it more productive to find another way to fund your city? Aside from ferguson, there are a million teeny municipalities in the area. You can drive down a road and in a mile go through three separate municipalities. They each have a police force. And they ALL fund themselves like this. It's unfair, disgusting and yes, very racially motivated. It's nonsense. You literally HAVE to go through these areas to get anywhere. This is much much more than "stop jaywalking, people!" Let's be honest we have entire communities being victimized by how laws are applied. If the laws were applied equally then there is no issue, the problem is they aren't. It isn't just black v white, but poor v rich. So Lebron's kid probably isn't going to have the same problem as Joe Average's kid for the same thing. FWIW - I don't care if Michael Brown was guilty of this that or the other. In our nation we are not supposed to impose the death penalty without a trial by jury. Seriously, how can anyone be ok with Michael Brown being killed by the state and yet James Holmes lives. This is the sort of inequality that is seen and is troubling.
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georgiapea
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Post by georgiapea on Aug 9, 2015 20:15:02 GMT
Acting disrespectful will never garner respect. Not my respect or the respect of those whom they seek the attention of. You can't DEMAND respect, it has to be earned. Earned by one's actions. When people run from law enforcement officers and are then shot I have no respect for the fleeing person, nor for the family which failed to teach that person that law enforcement exists for the protection of ALL. There has to be a point at which SOMEONE has authority and right now that authority is given to our LEO's. Start by respecting them. Start by being respectful in school. Earn respect by showing respect for others.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 9, 2015 21:39:35 GMT
Apply for a permit and conduct your own rally on the day of your choice. They do. And they don't feel heard. So they're moving on from that. It still does not make their actions right. This is the part that you are missing. Or ignoring..
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 9, 2015 21:41:25 GMT
Could it be that those 95% of the blacks were breaking the law, this given a ticket? Where is the flip side that that? If 100 people jaywalk and 95 of those people are black, then yes, that statistic would be accurate. But you are using only the parts that make your argument sound better---you are assuming that ONLY black people were given tickets based on their COLOR. You have no idea whatsoever how many "white" people were given a pass on jaywalking. You do know that Ferguson is a community where the MAJORITY of the population is black, right? So your statistics is not as "shocking" as you are trying to make it!!! It's people like you who jump in for a cause and spout off unbalanced or ineffective, incomplete, or relationally irrelevant statistics that poison the pool of facts that ARE out there for a particular cause. It is not that what is spouted makes us "uncomfortable" as you so coyly suggested, it pisses us off that these so called activists are now bullies, push people around, interrupt someone else's platform, are just as violent or more so than what has happened. And it is people like you, these "powerful activists" as you so put it, that cannot concede--no, REFUSE, to see or concede that there might be a better time or place for such protests, that the bullying behavior makes it worse (who's going to take them seriously?) , and that people in general respond better to civilized discussion? You won't, they won't, so you keep making it worse. [ I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion, call myself a "powerful activist" or think that I know everything. I'm giving some information. But you have no problem calling people ignorant and uneducated--
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 9, 2015 21:45:40 GMT
Could it be that those 95% of the blacks were breaking the law, this given a ticket? Where is the flip side that that? If 100 people jaywalk and 95 of those people are black, then yes, that statistic would be accurate. But you are using only the parts that make your argument sound better---you are assuming that ONLY black people were given tickets based on their COLOR. You have no idea whatsoever how many "white" people were given a pass on jaywalking. You do know that Ferguson is a community where the MAJORITY of the population is black, right? So your statistics is not as "shocking" as you are trying to make it!!! It's people like you who jump in for a cause and spout off unbalanced or ineffective, incomplete, or relationally irrelevant statistics that poison the pool of facts that ARE out there for a particular cause. It is not that what is spouted makes us "uncomfortable" as you so coyly suggested, it pisses us off that these so called activists are now bullies, push people around, interrupt someone else's platform, are just as violent or more so than what has happened. And it is people like you, these "powerful activists" as you so put it, that cannot concede--no, REFUSE, to see or concede that there might be a better time or place for such protests, that the bullying behavior makes it worse (who's going to take them seriously?) , and that people in general respond better to civilized discussion? You won't, they won't, so you keep making it worse. That was a super condensed version of the longtime problems in ferguson. Yes, jaywalking is against the law. Yes, blacks make up the majority of the ferguson population. But some are stopped 3x a week and there are no sidewalks in their communities. Fines can be $350. They go unpaid because the working poor don't have a spare $350. Then people come to their homes and arrest them. Then they lose their jobs. Then YOU are supporting them. Isn't it more productive to find another way to fund your city? Aside from ferguson, there are a million teeny municipalities in the area. You can drive down a road and in a mile go through three separate municipalities. They each have a police force. And they ALL fund themselves like this. It's unfair, disgusting and yes, very racially motivated. It's nonsense. You literally HAVE to go through these areas to get anywhere. This is much much more than "stop jaywalking, people!" If it's more than jaywalking then why on Earth would you campaign protest or whatever on that issue??? Like I said, it's part of the issue with some of these activists and groups---the real message gets lost in those same sound bites and irrelevancies that poison the pool of the real issues that you were so arrogantly chastising gajenny and others for as being ignorant and uneducated.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 22:00:01 GMT
Acting disrespectful will never garner respect. Not my respect or the respect of those whom they seek the attention of. You can't DEMAND respect, it has to be earned. Earned by one's actions. When people run from law enforcement officers and are then shot I have no respect for the fleeing person, nor for the family which failed to teach that person that law enforcement exists for the protection of ALL. There has to be a point at which SOMEONE has authority and right now that authority is given to our LEO's. Start by respecting them. Start by being respectful in school. Earn respect by showing respect for others. Nice. I'm sorry, but do you wish to remove all judges from their jobs and just let the LEOs do it for them? Cause that's what it sounds like to me. How about the people who aren't running from police? How about the ones who are running "to" police for help and are shot? How about the police who are caught on audio saying " I got a bucket with that niggers name on it. I'll call it self defense." Or John Crawford? Simply shopping in a walmart and shot dead by police?
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 22:08:22 GMT
[ I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion, call myself a "powerful activist" or think that I know everything. I'm giving some information. But you have no problem calling people ignorant and uneducated-- many people spout off on this issue and have no idea what they are talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 22:14:53 GMT
Let's be honest we have entire communities being victimized by how laws are applied. If the laws were applied equally then there is no issue, the problem is they aren't. It isn't just black v white, but poor v rich. So Lebron's kid probably isn't going to have the same problem as Joe Average's kid for the same thing. FWIW - I don't care if Michael Brown was guilty of this that or the other. In our nation we are not supposed to impose the death penalty without a trial by jury. Seriously, how can anyone be ok with Michael Brown being killed by the state and yet James Holmes lives. This is the sort of inequality that is seen and is troubling. That wasn't imposing the death penalty. That was defending his life from someone who made it clear to the officer that he intended to harm him -if not kill him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 22:14:55 GMT
Can't quote this post because it's already been screwed up...so I'll copy/paste. "Most social change happens this way." - Peace Sign Maybe social change TODAY happens this way. But this kind of bullshit is NOT how Rosa Parks did it. This is NOT how the students at the University of AL did it. This is NOT how the Freedom Riders did it. This is NOT how MLK Jr. did it. Personally, I think those so powerful in the Civil Rights Movement of the 60's would be mortified to see how it's "done" today. The Civil Rights "activists" today have NOTHING on those brave men and women did in the 60's. You want to talk about bravery and actions taking "guts" to do? Look at history. BLM movement would also be wise to look at history and how to protest and how to behave...and who they're making their poster child if they're truly trying to bring about anything at all positive. You must have a very whitewashed idea of what the 60s civil rights campaign was. Rosa parks included. Protesters were lynched. Yes, protesters were LYNCHED, burned, beaten, bombed and thrown in jail unjustly. My point was in how they responded. They responded in peace, non-violent. They stood up for what they thought was right, what they fought for, KNOWING it was very dangerous to do so. They were brave. Their actions took "guts". They are respected. The protesters today take control of microphones, burn their cities down, destroy property, loot and steal things that don't belong to them.
I don't really think you know as much as you think you know if you missed the point I was trying to make. But there you are, still calling people names.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 22:15:39 GMT
Papercraftadvocate...I didn't want to hit quote again because it's so long on here. People HAVE been crying foul in the st Louis area on that ticketing issue for years. It's that exasperation that made mike brown ignite so quickly. Now in the year since, they are slowly making some changes in ferguson. It has been a productive year but on the back of a dead kid. They weren't really organized before. Social media is helping greatly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 22:16:41 GMT
Let's be honest we have entire communities being victimized by how laws are applied. If the laws were applied equally then there is no issue, the problem is they aren't. It isn't just black v white, but poor v rich. So Lebron's kid probably isn't going to have the same problem as Joe Average's kid for the same thing. FWIW - I don't care if Michael Brown was guilty of this that or the other. In our nation we are not supposed to impose the death penalty without a trial by jury. Seriously, how can anyone be ok with Michael Brown being killed by the state and yet James Holmes lives. This is the sort of inequality that is seen and is troubling. That wasn't imposing the death penalty. That was defending his life from someone who made it clear to the officer that he intended to harm him -if not kill him. And people like her will never EVER see the difference.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 22:50:14 GMT
You must have a very whitewashed idea of what the 60s civil rights campaign was. Rosa parks included. Protesters were lynched. Yes, protesters were LYNCHED, burned, beaten, bombed and thrown in jail unjustly. My point was in how they responded. They responded in peace, non-violent. They stood up for what they thought was right, what they fought for, KNOWING it was very dangerous to do so. They were brave. Their actions took "guts". They are respected. The protesters today take control of microphones, burn their cities down, destroy property, loot and steal things that don't belong to them.
I don't really think you know as much as you think you know if you missed the point I was trying to make. But there you are, still calling people names.
No, my point is that in the 60s weren't all nonviolent protests, on the part of the protesters. They were met with violent response, yes, but the protesters were disrupters too. What do you think they were doing when sitting at the counter at woolworths? Disrupting the service for the whites that went there to eat.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 22:53:04 GMT
Let's be honest we have entire communities being victimized by how laws are applied. If the laws were applied equally then there is no issue, the problem is they aren't. It isn't just black v white, but poor v rich. So Lebron's kid probably isn't going to have the same problem as Joe Average's kid for the same thing. FWIW - I don't care if Michael Brown was guilty of this that or the other. In our nation we are not supposed to impose the death penalty without a trial by jury. Seriously, how can anyone be ok with Michael Brown being killed by the state and yet James Holmes lives. This is the sort of inequality that is seen and is troubling. That wasn't imposing the death penalty. That was defending his life from someone who made it clear to the officer that he intended to harm him -if not kill him. ok, take a better analogy. The white kid who murdered the people at church. He was nicely taken into custody, fed Burger King, and then got to appear in court to answer for his crimes. In a bulletproof vest.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 22:57:09 GMT
You must have a very whitewashed idea of what the 60s civil rights campaign was. Rosa parks included. Protesters were lynched. Yes, protesters were LYNCHED, burned, beaten, bombed and thrown in jail unjustly. My point was in how they responded. They responded in peace, non-violent. They stood up for what they thought was right, what they fought for, KNOWING it was very dangerous to do so. They were brave. Their actions took "guts". They are respected. The protesters today take control of microphones, burn their cities down, destroy property, loot and steal things that don't belong to them.
I don't really think you know as much as you think you know if you missed the point I was trying to make. But there you are, still calling people names.
. Again, as I said, mike brown was the straw that broke fergusons back so to speak. I can give you fifty other "poster child" names if you'd like. It makes sense that they are talking about mike brown and ferguson because it is the anniversary date. I stand by my statement...you are an uneducated idiot. Spew spew spew and never think.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 22:58:27 GMT
That wasn't imposing the death penalty. That was defending his life from someone who made it clear to the officer that he intended to harm him -if not kill him. ok, take a better analogy. The white kid who murdered the people at church. He was nicely taken into custody, fed Burger King, and then got to appear in court to answer for his crimes. In a bulletproof vest. Because, he didn't try to kill the police who came to arrest him. It had nothing to do with his skin color.
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Post by AnotherPea on Aug 9, 2015 23:06:34 GMT
Papercraftadvocate...I didn't want to hit quote again because it's so long on here. People HAVE been crying foul in the st Louis area on that ticketing issue for years. It's that exasperation that made mike brown ignite so quickly. Now in the year since, they are slowly making some changes in ferguson. It has been a productive year but on the back of a dead kid. They weren't really organized before. Social media is helping greatly. don't do that. don't start giving reasons for someone's actions when you never once spoke to him. Don't start justifying thug behavior because you want him to be your poster boy.
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Post by AnotherPea on Aug 9, 2015 23:12:15 GMT
That wasn't imposing the death penalty. That was defending his life from someone who made it clear to the officer that he intended to harm him -if not kill him. ok, take a better analogy. The white kid who murdered the people at church. He was nicely taken into custody, fed Burger King, and then got to appear in court to answer for his crimes. In a bulletproof vest. did he rush at an officer after physically assaulting him? We had a white teen shot by an LEO in my area about three years ago. He did almost the same thing that Michael Brown did. He was killed in the same manner Michael Brown was. Do you know his name? No, because he's white. The LEO, by the way, is black. Both boys were a danger to the LEOs and suffered natural consequences for their actions. You don't know the white kid's name because it doesn't fit an agenda. One difference between the white kid and the black? The white kid wasn't a thug. He didn't rob a store, use his size as intimidation or have a history of acting like an asshole. The white kid's crime was being mentally ill and grabbing a gun during a psychotic episode. While devastated at the boy's death, the family, who witnessed the exchange, completely understood why the LEO shot their child in self-defense.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 23:14:52 GMT
ok, take a better analogy. The white kid who murdered the people at church. He was nicely taken into custody, fed Burger King, and then got to appear in court to answer for his crimes. In a bulletproof vest. Because, he didn't try to kill the police who came to arrest him. It had nothing to do with his skin color. You can repeat this 1000 times but as long as there are people that only see skin color and can only see hate, logic and reason doesn't work with them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 23:22:45 GMT
Yes, protesters were LYNCHED, burned, beaten, bombed and thrown in jail unjustly. My point was in how they responded. They responded in peace, non-violent. They stood up for what they thought was right, what they fought for, KNOWING it was very dangerous to do so. They were brave. Their actions took "guts". They are respected. The protesters today take control of microphones, burn their cities down, destroy property, loot and steal things that don't belong to them.
I don't really think you know as much as you think you know if you missed the point I was trying to make. But there you are, still calling people names.
. Again, as I said, mike brown was the straw that broke fergusons back so to speak. I can give you fifty other "poster child" names if you'd like. It makes sense that they are talking about mike brown and ferguson because it is the anniversary date. I stand by my statement...you are an uneducated idiot. Spew spew spew and never think. Michael Brown has ALWAYS been their poster boy. It has nothing to do with the anniversary.
Yet you call ME the uneducated idiot. LMAO. You're cute.
I'm sure you're simply regurgitating information you've heard from one of your many groups you do work for, but it may be time to begin to think about it before you type it all out as fact.
I mean, opinions are opinions and we all have them. But to claim that Michael Brown is only being mentioned now because the anniversary is not even close to being factual. It can be your opinion, for sure...but it's not factual and anyone who has watched the news in the last 8 months knows that Michael Brown being the poster boy for the movement is nothing new.
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happymomma
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Post by happymomma on Aug 9, 2015 23:34:02 GMT
Papercraftadvocate...I didn't want to hit quote again because it's so long on here. People HAVE been crying foul in the st Louis area on that ticketing issue for years. It's that exasperation that made mike brown ignite so quickly. Now in the year since, they are slowly making some changes in ferguson. It has been a productive year but on the back of a dead kid. They weren't really organized before. Social media is helping greatly. So they are and have for years been giving tickets for jaywalking to people who were not in fact jaywalking? If that is happening that is so wrong, white or black or otherwise.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 10, 2015 0:01:51 GMT
No, happy momma, people are in fact jaywalking. But the tickets are being handed out like crazy, with a ridiculous fine, like a fundraiser for law enforcement. While murderers and other criminals go free. So the people are beaten down and feel hopeless. And cannot in any way make it out of that hole. It has created a longstanding us vs. them mentality amongst citizens, who live below the poverty line.
We had a similar situation near columbus. A little municipality called new Rome. All they did was give out speeding tickets. To fund their staff. They weren't providing services, as many of these near ferguson aren't. It got shut down and disbanded here.
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Post by Nink on Aug 10, 2015 0:40:06 GMT
No, happy momma, people are in fact jaywalking. But the tickets are being handed out like crazy, with a ridiculous fine, like a fundraiser for law enforcement. While murderers and other criminals go free. So the people are beaten down and feel hopeless. And cannot in any way make it out of that hole. It has created a longstanding us vs. them mentality amongst citizens, who live below the poverty line. We had a similar situation near columbus. A little municipality called new Rome. All they did was give out speeding tickets. To fund their staff. They weren't providing services, as many of these near ferguson aren't. It got shut down and disbanded here. So they know citizens are being ticketed right and left for jaywalking, that it comes with a huge fine they can't possibly pay, yet they continue to jaywalk and law enforcement is wrong when they get the inevitable ticket. Yeah, that makes sense. Eta: investigating a murder or other criminal action usually takes longer than handing out a ticket, so just because it's not happening right away doesn't mean it isn't happening. Also it's worth noting, that often times solving these other types of crimes takes cooperation from the community. Something tells me that I doubt law enforcement is getting that in that town and probably hasn't for a while.
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Post by georgiapea on Aug 10, 2015 0:41:43 GMT
Judges are not out on the streets keeping order in a community. Respect for law enforcement is necessary for any community to function properly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 0:44:53 GMT
Papercraftadvocate...I didn't want to hit quote again because it's so long on here. People HAVE been crying foul in the st Louis area on that ticketing issue for years. It's that exasperation that made mike brown ignite so quickly. Now in the year since, they are slowly making some changes in ferguson. It has been a productive year but on the back of a dead kid. They weren't really organized before. Social media is helping greatly. A dead kid who attempted to attack and harm a police officer. I am so sick of people leaving out that little nugget of information.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 10, 2015 1:04:06 GMT
Maybe it's just me but if I knew there was a steep fine that I couldn't afford for jaywalking and I felt that I was sure to be ticketed and therefore start a downward spiral of life for doing so, I would make sure I wasn't jaywalking. That, you must admit, does seem to be a simple way not to get a ticket for jaywalking. I have a feeling that there are bigger issues than jaywalking at play. Racial tension is not a good thing in any town or circumstance. This, in other words, is saying "hey black people!! Do what your told!" Whether or not the rules were fair. I'm not directing this at you personally, mind you. But are we really saying to never challenge authority? No matter how skewed it might be? l Maybe this is the disconnect. Yes, if there is a law that someone-anyone should be following, and you don't follow ot-then it is your fault. For example, I was speeding on the Ohio turnpike. I rounded a bend, and there was the HW patrol. He pulled me over, and I got an expensive ticket. Did I argue with him? Nope. I paid the ticket. It was my fault.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 10, 2015 1:31:20 GMT
This, in other words, is saying "hey black people!! Do what your told!" Whether or not the rules were fair. I'm not directing this at you personally, mind you. But are we really saying to never challenge authority? No matter how skewed it might be? l Maybe this is the disconnect. Yes, if there is a law that someone-anyone should be following, and you don't follow ot-then it is your fault. For example, I was speeding on the Ohio turnpike. I rounded a bend, and there was the HW patrol. He pulled me over, and I got an expensive ticket. Did I argue with him? Nope. I paid the ticket. It was my fault. of course. but you're not hearing or considering the rest of what I've said. again, not you personally. it's not that simple.
why are the fines so large for jaywalking? the punishment so harsh. this wouldn't fly in other areas. it's insane. people would band together, speak up, and be heard. that's all i'm saying. heck...I got a speeding ticket doing 18 miles over the speed limit many years ago and the fine wasn't anywhere near this. it's an unfair practice. yes, you shouldn't jaywalk. especially when you know they're "out" for it. but really, aren't there more important things for police to do? aren't there hierarchies of offenses? and how long would you take unfair police practices and unfair unreasonable fines before you got fed up and angry?
seriously? all anyone has to say is that these people should follow the rules, not jaywalk, and their lives will be great? it's so insane. I believe in community policing and lifting people up.
it's easy to sit in a middle class environment where these things don't happen to you, or anyone you know, and brush it off. (general you again). it doesn't affect you.
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