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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 15:24:30 GMT
First, is conservative a skin color? I was unaware This disruption was in direct response to recent comment sanders made about black lives matter. You may not agree with disruptions and that's fine, but learn what the hell you're talking about before opening your mouth. And then sit back and sling idiot comments while blacks have to fight and protest to get equal rights in America. Be happy you don't have to organize and March just to be heard, or have your children shot to get the nations attention. Good God, sometimes you people are so obtuse. You can't just say you disagree with their tactics and move on? You are the epitome of "unaware." Be passionate about something. Make a difference. DO something! Conservative is not a skin color, obviously. I don't know where the fuck you think I said or implied that...but have at it. If you have somehow missed all of the dialogue over the racist Republicans then perhaps you have no right to point the finger and dare call anyone else obtuse.
Because you disagree with me does in no way mean I need to "learn what the hell I'm talking about". Of course, yours is the only valid opinion. Yours is the only truth. That's really not how it works but with your attitude, I can clearly see that's perhaps how you get along in life.
Black lives matter using Michael Brown as its poster child is all sorts of fucked up. I'm sorry you don't see that. I bet if you were victimized by him you'd feel differently. He is no victim of police violence, brutality, or racism. The choices he made in life and the choices he made in the hours and minutes leading up to his death are problematic. If Eric Holder and the Justice Dept couldn't find anything wrong with the actions of Darren Wilson on that day that should be enough. (because you KNOW they looked...you know they were HOPING to find something...you KNOW they tried...empty handed)
You are really, really angry and I'm not really sure how your hostile attitude on this message board is "making a difference" in the grand scheme, but clearly it's important to you. . Yeah, "I'm" angry. Did you read your own angry post? Your post, in addition to the post you quoted, brought up racism, conservatives and skin color in a really unclear way. And again, if you think blacklivesmatter is all about mike brown, you are sorely mistaken. Which is why I said you should educate yourself if you want to speak on racism and or blacklivesmatter. But you won't, because you don't care and you don't want to. And that is fine up until the point where you come on message boards spouting opinions based on sound bytes, your husband, and nonsense. There's no fact in your argument. It makes you look stupid, hon. In ferguson, 95% of jaywalking tickets are given to blacks. This began a system of funding small police forces off the fines given to minorities, who can't pay in a timely way and then are thrown in jail. That is the short version of it and THAT is what the justice department deemed unfair and wrong in their report. THAT is what has been festering for years and what came to a head the day mike brown was killed.
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Post by AnotherPea on Aug 9, 2015 15:25:26 GMT
There is an approach time, place, and way in which to do things. Sounds like these two women did more to hurt rather than help their cause. When would that be? How would that be? Apply for a permit and conduct your own rally on the day of your choice.
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Post by AnotherPea on Aug 9, 2015 15:26:49 GMT
Actually now the Seattle BLM office has come out to say that this was not be of their sanctioned events. And apologized to sanders. Does this make you less proud of the women's actions?
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 15:33:55 GMT
Maybe, to those who don't understand. There's a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking here. But these women fight every day. you, general you, see a four second blip on tv, it makes you uncomfortable, and then you dive in with the nasty comments. Thug. Blacks can't be racist (my personal fave). Hurting their cause. On the flip, two single women did that. Not an army. Just two powerful women. I think that's pretty cool. Really, take a moment. Ponder. Why?? Put yourself in someone else's shoes. Educate yourself. Look at things from a non white middle class point of view. Why do you assume that we haven't educated ourselves and can't look past our own lives? Why can't it be that we just don't agree with what you (general) say? Is the idea that tactics, methods, accusations are wrong THAT inconceivable? That we MUST be ignorant if we disagree? No of course not. Conversation is wonderful! I'm learning, too, and don't have all the answers. and I'm not assuming that others arent educated on the topic. I just wish more people would stop and learn and think before being so quick to post, spew anger, and run off. The conversation is great! It's needed. It can be uncomfortable. The tactics are also uncomfortable. Rude. I'm just trying to explain them a little. Sanders did go on to speak at the university. Later that day I believe.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 15:34:42 GMT
When would that be? How would that be? Apply for a permit and conduct your own rally on the day of your choice. They do. And they don't feel heard. So they're moving on from that.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 15:35:31 GMT
Actually now the Seattle BLM office has come out to say that this was not be of their sanctioned events. And apologized to sanders. Does this make you less proud of the women's actions? I think it took some guts to do.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 9, 2015 15:35:37 GMT
Maybe, to those who don't understand. There's a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking here. But these women fight every day. you, general you, see a four second blip on tv, it makes you uncomfortable, and then you dive in with the nasty comments. Thug. Blacks can't be racist (my personal fave). Hurting their cause. On the flip, two single women did that. Not an army. Just two powerful women. I think that's pretty cool. Really, take a moment. Ponder. Why?? Put yourself in someone else's shoes. Educate yourself. Look at things from a non white middle class point of view. Why do you assume that we haven't educated ourselves and can't look past our own lives? Why can't it be that we just don't agree with what you (general) say? Is the idea that tactics, methods, accusations are wrong THAT inconceivable? That we MUST be ignorant if we disagree? It's interesting that Peace Sign keeps accusing those that don't think like her or agree with her of being white, privileged, ignorant, etc. I'm Mexican and I've been called a spic, a wetback and a juetra. I've lived in public housing and been so poor that beans and rice were the meal. My SO was handcuffed during a traffic stop. Sorry, but we don't have to agree with the way Black Lives Matter does things. And yes, they are losing support and listeners due to the way they are delivering their message. Keep calling us names and convincing yourself it's us not you. And then wonder why you aren't seeing change.
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Post by AnotherPea on Aug 9, 2015 15:37:24 GMT
It really is only uncomfortable when people start slamming those that disagree. When people make assumptions and implying racism when there is a difference of opinion. When people polarize the topics and refuse to see a middle ground. Accept responsibility for their own contributions to the problems and accept it as truth with others say they are innocent of the accusations put forth.
I can accept the concept of white privilege, for example. But that doesn't mean that if I disagree that it is a result of my white privilege. It might just be because the other person is actually wrong.
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Post by AnotherPea on Aug 9, 2015 15:39:28 GMT
Apply for a permit and conduct your own rally on the day of your choice. They do. And they don't feel heard. So they're moving on from that. Which is wrong. It doesn't matter if they don't feel heard. If they aren't heard, maybe it is because no one wants to hear their message. Because their message is convoluted or distorted. Or coming from the wrong place. Or filled with hate. Or presented at the wrong time and place. Not feeling heard and then disrupting someone else's message is no better than a three year old slapping his mother in the face because she is talking on the phone. Not cool and needs to be addressed.
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Post by AnotherPea on Aug 9, 2015 15:40:07 GMT
Does this make you less proud of the women's actions? I think it took some guts to do. Eh. It took guts for Lee Harvey Oswald to pull the trigger in Dallas. Nothing to be admired.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 9, 2015 15:44:13 GMT
Does this make you less proud of the women's actions? I think it took some guts to do. And a bit of tone-deafness as well. Tactics like this cause many people to not want to listen to you. Read some of the comments in the articles that have been written about this -I'm not sure what to call it. It is not going over well. You can't bully people into feeling empathy.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 15:46:28 GMT
It really is only uncomfortable when people start slamming those that disagree. When people make assumptions and implying racism when there is a difference of opinion. When people polarize the topics and refuse to see a middle ground. Accept responsibility for their own contributions to the problems and accept it as truth with others say they are innocent of the accusations put forth. I can accept the concept of white privilege, for example. But that doesn't mean that if I disagree that it is a result of my white privilege. It might just be because the other person is actually wrong. I came on strong because the article posted, and then the first 6-8 comments I read, were strong too. I never implied racism as the reason for the difference of opinion in this thread. And I do feel that many peas post things and know nothing about what they're saying. Not all. Not even most. There is middle ground, to be sure.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 15:48:18 GMT
I think it took some guts to do. And a bit of tone-deafness as well. Tactics like this cause many people to not want to listen to you. Read some of the comments in the articles that have been written about this -I'm not sure what to call it. It is not going over well. You can't bully people into feeling empathy. Maybe so. But race equality should be a part of the political platform. You can be sure sanders will be incorporating it from here on. In that respect, they did win.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 15:49:08 GMT
I think it took some guts to do. Eh. It took guts for Lee Harvey Oswald to pull the trigger in Dallas. Nothing to be admired. Yes, that's the same. You asked my opinion and I gave it.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 9, 2015 15:50:04 GMT
And a bit of tone-deafness as well. Tactics like this cause many people to not want to listen to you. Read some of the comments in the articles that have been written about this -I'm not sure what to call it. It is not going over well. You can't bully people into feeling empathy. Maybe so. But race equality should be a part of the political platform. You can be sure sanders will be incorporating it from here on. In that respect, they did win. I agree with you there.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 15:51:11 GMT
They do. And they don't feel heard. So they're moving on from that. Which is wrong. It doesn't matter if they don't feel heard. If they aren't heard, maybe it is because no one wants to hear their message. Because their message is convoluted or distorted. Or coming from the wrong place. Or filled with hate. Or presented at the wrong time and place. Not feeling heard and then disrupting someone else's message is no better than a three year old slapping his mother in the face because she is talking on the phone. Not cool and needs to be addressed. I guess that depends on your opinion, and the message. If it were a matter important to you, you may feel differently. Who knows?
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Post by AnotherPea on Aug 9, 2015 15:54:26 GMT
Eh. It took guts for Lee Harvey Oswald to pull the trigger in Dallas. Nothing to be admired. Yes, that's the same. You asked my opinion and I gave it. I asked if you were proud of their actions. And wanted to know if your opinion changed once you learned that it wasn't sanctioned by the BLM movement. Since we have evidence that it was, but BLM is back-tracking, has your opinion of BLM changed? Just based on what we know at this point. I ask because so many people get hooked on 'a cause' and feel that no wrong can come out of that cause. That every action is justifiable. That if they do XYZ, it is amazing. But if the cause states they actually weren't responsible for XYZ and find XYZ deplorable, then those people automatically switch to thinking the actions were deplorable. No critical thought, just blindly following.
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Post by happymomma on Aug 9, 2015 15:54:32 GMT
To add: I just read that people paid between $200 and $1000 to attend this event! That gives them the right to hear what they came to hear, not what these women wanted them to hear on behalf of their group. And they wonder why they got a negative reception?
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 16:19:11 GMT
Actually, it's still unclear if it was or wasn't sanctioned. There are at least three Seattle BLM facebook pages. Me yes, I think the one you posted probably is the official one and has NOT denounced this act.
My point was and is that Bernie sanders choken on the alllivesmatter debate and on the sanders bland case when he could have taken advantage of an opportunity to be an ally. He IS an ally. And more to the point of this post, disrupting an event such as this has always been a tactic of protest. And most importantly to me, as I sais, racial equality will be discussed amongst candidates.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 16:32:11 GMT
They do. And they don't feel heard. So they're moving on from that. Which is wrong. It doesn't matter if they don't feel heard. If they aren't heard, maybe it is because no one wants to hear their message. Because their message is convoluted or distorted. Or coming from the wrong place. Or filled with hate. Or presented at the wrong time and place. Not feeling heard and then disrupting someone else's message is no better than a three year old slapping his mother in the face because she is talking on the phone. Not cool and needs to be addressed. Preach. So now what happens when they're not heard when they disrupt events they're not scheduled to speak at? Will their actions escalate?
I don't think there's anything brave or honorable about these women. I don't think what they did took "guts" at all. You cannot expect to act disrespectful while demanding respect.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 9, 2015 16:54:13 GMT
Actually, it's still unclear if it was or wasn't sanctioned. There are at least three Seattle BLM facebook pages. Me yes, I think the one you posted probably is the official one and has NOT denounced this act. My point was and is that Bernie sanders choken on the alllivesmatter debate and on the sanders bland case when he could have taken advantage of an opportunity to be an ally. He IS an ally. And more to the point of this post, disrupting an event such as this has always been a tactic of protest. And most importantly to me, as I sais, racial equality will be discussed amongst candidates. They probably have succeeded in getting Sanders to address this during the campaign. However, they have also left a very bad impression with a lot of people. BLM wants a national conversation, wants people to talk about equality and race. Right? I have been reading about this national conversation for awhile. I gotta tell you, I would not want to have a conversation with either of those women. I bet I'm not alone, either.
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Post by sweetpeasmom on Aug 9, 2015 17:18:02 GMT
That.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 17:22:12 GMT
Which is wrong. It doesn't matter if they don't feel heard. If they aren't heard, maybe it is because no one wants to hear their message. Because their message is convoluted or distorted. Or coming from the wrong place. Or filled with hate. Or presented at the wrong time and place. Not feeling heard and then disrupting someone else's message is no better than a three year old slapping his mother in the face because she is talking on the phone. Not cool and needs to be addressed. Preach. So now what happens when they're not heard when they disrupt events they're not scheduled to speak at? Will their actions escalate?
I don't think there's anything brave or honorable about these women. I don't think what they did took "guts" at all. You cannot expect to act disrespectful while demanding respect. [/p
Most social change happens this way.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 17:23:33 GMT
That's a good line. I'll save it for the next McKinney Texas pool party. Thanks.
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Post by Nicole in TX on Aug 9, 2015 17:43:19 GMT
You know, I find this place to be a pretty accurate representation of the general public on most topics. You will see both sides post passionately on many issues, just as there are people on both sides of issues in real life. From the replies in this thread, about THIS incident, it seems most agree that this wasn't the time or place to throw up a protest. I've also read more than one reply that states that this kind of shenanigan is not helping the cause. It is a disrespectful, disruptive and rude way to go about raising awareness. How and when to do things in a positive manner? The same way people do about other issues. Schedule mass attended rallies showcasing your own cause, with speakers on the topic. Organize marches. Hold town hall meetings. Write to your congressman. Organize your own events where your cause is the focus of the evening. There are a lot of things that can be done to make yourselves heard, but if it is support you are looking for you need to be respectful and likable to those you want to support you. That just makes common sense. My husband is part of a group called the Agent Orange Riders and they work very very hard to raise awareness about the victims of Agent Orange and other dioxins. They too have a goal of bringing awareness to the government. They do all of the things I listed above. They don't crash in on other events and bring negative attention to themselves. They do show their passion though! They just do it through proper channels where it is most likely their voices will be heard with supportive ears and changes are being made as a result. You can't possibly believe that the peas are demographically diverse. That's funny. Yes, we screen everyone when they register for the forum.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 17:57:35 GMT
Conservative is not a skin color, obviously. I don't know where the fuck you think I said or implied that...but have at it. If you have somehow missed all of the dialogue over the racist Republicans then perhaps you have no right to point the finger and dare call anyone else obtuse.
Because you disagree with me does in no way mean I need to "learn what the hell I'm talking about". Of course, yours is the only valid opinion. Yours is the only truth. That's really not how it works but with your attitude, I can clearly see that's perhaps how you get along in life.
Black lives matter using Michael Brown as its poster child is all sorts of fucked up. I'm sorry you don't see that. I bet if you were victimized by him you'd feel differently. He is no victim of police violence, brutality, or racism. The choices he made in life and the choices he made in the hours and minutes leading up to his death are problematic. If Eric Holder and the Justice Dept couldn't find anything wrong with the actions of Darren Wilson on that day that should be enough. (because you KNOW they looked...you know they were HOPING to find something...you KNOW they tried...empty handed)
You are really, really angry and I'm not really sure how your hostile attitude on this message board is "making a difference" in the grand scheme, but clearly it's important to you. . Yeah, "I'm" angry. Did you read your own angry post? Your post, in addition to the post you quoted, brought up racism, conservatives and skin color in a really unclear way.
And again, if you think blacklivesmatter is all about mike brown, you are sorely mistaken. Which is why I said you should educate yourself if you want to speak on racism and or blacklivesmatter. But you won't, because you don't care and you don't want to. And that is fine up until the point where you come on message boards spouting opinions based on sound bytes, your husband, and nonsense. There's no fact in your argument. It makes you look stupid, hon. In ferguson, 95% of jaywalking tickets are given to blacks. This began a system of funding small police forces off the fines given to minorities, who can't pay in a timely way and then are thrown in jail. That is the short version of it and THAT is what the justice department deemed unfair and wrong in their report. THAT is what has been festering for years and what came to a head the day mike brown was killed. Funny...I haven't seen anyone else being confused or "unclear" in anything I've posted.
My HUSBAND? I'm totally unclear as to what that's supposed to mean???
Feel free to consider me stupid and continue to call me names. I'm not the only one sensing your anger, attitude, and annoyance that we're not all right there in line with your way of thinking. I'm totally okay to not be right next to you with your attitudes and opinions. I wouldn't dare claim myself so all knowing and arrogant as to make the comments you've made not only about me, but others who don't see things exactly the same way you do.
Carry on with your attitude.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 9, 2015 18:02:02 GMT
All lives matter - period, over and out!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 18:05:27 GMT
Can't quote this post because it's already been screwed up...so I'll copy/paste.
"Most social change happens this way." - Peace Sign
Maybe social change TODAY happens this way. But this kind of bullshit is NOT how Rosa Parks did it. This is NOT how the students at the University of AL did it. This is NOT how the Freedom Riders did it. This is NOT how MLK Jr. did it.
Personally, I think those so powerful in the Civil Rights Movement of the 60's would be mortified to see how it's "done" today. The Civil Rights "activists" today have NOTHING on those brave men and women did in the 60's. You want to talk about bravery and actions taking "guts" to do? Look at history. BLM movement would also be wise to look at history and how to protest and how to behave...and who they're making their poster child if they're truly trying to bring about anything at all positive.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 9, 2015 18:39:22 GMT
Conservative is not a skin color, obviously. I don't know where the fuck you think I said or implied that...but have at it. If you have somehow missed all of the dialogue over the racist Republicans then perhaps you have no right to point the finger and dare call anyone else obtuse.
Because you disagree with me does in no way mean I need to "learn what the hell I'm talking about". Of course, yours is the only valid opinion. Yours is the only truth. That's really not how it works but with your attitude, I can clearly see that's perhaps how you get along in life.
Black lives matter using Michael Brown as its poster child is all sorts of fucked up. I'm sorry you don't see that. I bet if you were victimized by him you'd feel differently. He is no victim of police violence, brutality, or racism. The choices he made in life and the choices he made in the hours and minutes leading up to his death are problematic. If Eric Holder and the Justice Dept couldn't find anything wrong with the actions of Darren Wilson on that day that should be enough. (because you KNOW they looked...you know they were HOPING to find something...you KNOW they tried...empty handed)
You are really, really angry and I'm not really sure how your hostile attitude on this message board is "making a difference" in the grand scheme, but clearly it's important to you. . Yeah, "I'm" angry. Did you read your own angry post? Your post, in addition to the post you quoted, brought up racism, conservatives and skin color in a really unclear way. And again, if you think blacklivesmatter is all about mike brown, you are sorely mistaken. Which is why I said you should educate yourself if you want to speak on racism and or blacklivesmatter. But you won't, because you don't care and you don't want to. And that is fine up until the point where you come on message boards spouting opinions based on sound bytes, your husband, and nonsense. There's no fact in your argument. It makes you look stupid, hon. In ferguson, 95% of jaywalking tickets are given to blacks. This began a system of funding small police forces off the fines given to minorities, who can't pay in a timely way and then are thrown in jail. That is the short version of it and THAT is what the justice department deemed unfair and wrong in their report. THAT is what has been festering for years and what came to a head the day mike brown was killed. Could it be that those 95% of the blacks were breaking the law, this given a ticket? Where is the flip side that that? If 100 people jaywalk and 95 of those people are black, then yes, that statistic would be accurate. But you are using only the parts that make your argument sound better---you are assuming that ONLY black people were given tickets based on their COLOR. You have no idea whatsoever how many "white" people were given a pass on jaywalking. You do know that Ferguson is a community where the MAJORITY of the population is black, right? So your statistics is not as "shocking" as you are trying to make it!!! It's people like you who jump in for a cause and spout off unbalanced or ineffective, incomplete, or relationally irrelevant statistics that poison the pool of facts that ARE out there for a particular cause. It is not that what is spouted makes us "uncomfortable" as you so coyly suggested, it pisses us off that these so called activists are now bullies, push people around, interrupt someone else's platform, are just as violent or more so than what has happened. And it is people like you, these "powerful activists" as you so put it, that cannot concede--no, REFUSE, to see or concede that there might be a better time or place for such protests, that the bullying behavior makes it worse (who's going to take them seriously?) , and that people in general respond better to civilized discussion? You won't, they won't, so you keep making it worse.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 9, 2015 19:33:51 GMT
. Yeah, "I'm" angry. Did you read your own angry post? Your post, in addition to the post you quoted, brought up racism, conservatives and skin color in a really unclear way. And again, if you think blacklivesmatter is all about mike brown, you are sorely mistaken. Which is why I said you should educate yourself if you want to speak on racism and or blacklivesmatter. But you won't, because you don't care and you don't want to. And that is fine up until the point where you come on message boards spouting opinions based on sound bytes, your husband, and nonsense. There's no fact in your argument. It makes you look stupid, hon. In ferguson, 95% of jaywalking tickets are given to blacks. This began a system of funding small police forces off the fines given to minorities, who can't pay in a timely way and then are thrown in jail. That is the short version of it and THAT is what the justice department deemed unfair and wrong in their report. THAT is what has been festering for years and what came to a head the day mike brown was killed. Could it be that those 95% of the blacks were breaking the law, this given a ticket? Where is the flip side that that? If 100 people jaywalk and 95 of those people are black, then yes, that statistic would be accurate. But you are using only the parts that make your argument sound better---you are assuming that ONLY black people were given tickets based on their COLOR. You have no idea whatsoever how many "white" people were given a pass on jaywalking. You do know that Ferguson is a community where the MAJORITY of the population is black, right? So your statistics is not as "shocking" as you are trying to make it!!! It's people like you who jump in for a cause and spout off unbalanced or ineffective, incomplete, or relationally irrelevant statistics that poison the pool of facts that ARE out there for a particular cause. It is not that what is spouted makes us "uncomfortable" as you so coyly suggested, it pisses us off that these so called activists are now bullies, push people around, interrupt someone else's platform, are just as violent or more so than what has happened. And it is people like you, these "powerful activists" as you so put it, that cannot concede--no, REFUSE, to see or concede that there might be a better time or place for such protests, that the bullying behavior makes it worse (who's going to take them seriously?) , and that people in general respond better to civilized discussion? You won't, they won't, so you keep making it worse. That was a super condensed version of the longtime problems in ferguson. Yes, jaywalking is against the law. Yes, blacks make up the majority of the ferguson population. But some are stopped 3x a week and there are no sidewalks in their communities. Fines can be $350. They go unpaid because the working poor don't have a spare $350. Then people come to their homes and arrest them. Then they lose their jobs. Then YOU are supporting them. Isn't it more productive to find another way to fund your city? Aside from ferguson, there are a million teeny municipalities in the area. You can drive down a road and in a mile go through three separate municipalities. They each have a police force. And they ALL fund themselves like this. It's unfair, disgusting and yes, very racially motivated. It's nonsense. You literally HAVE to go through these areas to get anywhere. This is much much more than "stop jaywalking, people!"
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