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Post by digirlwiz on Oct 28, 2016 10:43:56 GMT
yes- also read the book. A great read...I did not know anything about her until I read her story.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 28, 2016 12:03:35 GMT
Yes.
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Post by scorpeao on Oct 28, 2016 12:49:46 GMT
I do because I routinely grow her cells Then can you explain, in layman's terms, why her cells didn't die outside her body like other people's cells? Because they are cancer cells. She had cervical cancer and the cells were from her cervix. They have a mutation that allows them to grow unchecked; they are immune to the signals that normally induce cell death.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 28, 2016 15:36:16 GMT
^^^ 'Normal' cancer cells would eventually die whenever they tried to grow them, if I remember correctly... the mutation that allows the HeLa cells to grow unchecked is pretty rare, right?? that's why there are so few truly 'immortal' cell lines?
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Post by scorpeao on Oct 28, 2016 15:44:07 GMT
^^^ 'Normal' cancer cells would eventually die whenever they tried to grow them, if I remember correctly... the mutation that allows the HeLa cells to grow unchecked is pretty rare, right?? that's why there are so few truly 'immortal' cell lines? I'm not sure that her mutation was rare as it was caused by HPV. I don't know if all cancer cells are immortal in a lab setting, but any cell type can be "made" to be immortal. It's not easy though...I tried many times with one cell type and wasn't successful.
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Post by grinningcat on Oct 28, 2016 17:38:23 GMT
I had not heard of her before this thread, but I have not delved into this realm before. Now, I do know who she is and I may pick up the book suggested.
So really, how did you get on to the topic when the CDC called? Was it an interesting conversation?
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Post by gina on Oct 28, 2016 17:47:01 GMT
Yes. I read the book on her story.
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Post by Olan on Oct 29, 2016 13:52:16 GMT
I do because I routinely grow her cells Then can you explain, in layman's terms, why her cells didn't die outside her body like other people's cells? Cool! scorpeao what is it that you do?
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Post by scorpeao on Oct 29, 2016 14:17:33 GMT
Then can you explain, in layman's terms, why her cells didn't die outside her body like other people's cells? Cool! scorpeao what is it that you do? I'm a researcher at a university.
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Post by M in Carolina on Oct 29, 2016 14:25:22 GMT
I haven't read the book, but I knew who she was.
If doctors and researchers could learn anything from me, I'd gladly volunteer it and have before. Whatever keeps fewer people from having to go through what I've gone through.
When I was a patient at U of M in Michigan, I was asked to be an example for a class--the students asked questions and examined me to try to figure out what my condition was as part of a rotation. It was really interesting.
I also get asked by the cardiology department to let everyone come in a see what a bubble study SHOULD look like. A bubble study is when they shoot saline through my system that has had thousands of tiny little bubbles added. I had the POF hole in my heart patched with a little gortex and wire device that the body then scars over, closing the hole. Sometime the hole doesn't patch over perfectly, so when the bubbles go into one heart chamber, they'll pass through the patch. I scar very easily and thickly, so no bubbles at all go across. So anytime the cardiologists check to make sure that the patch is still scarred over right, they get really excited. So I wind up having the whole department line up to see it in person.
I already have the IV, and it's just saline. The bubbles do feel weird. It's like that effervescent feeling in your nose when you sniff a glass of carbonated soda that is all bubbling up with foam. Except you can feel it in your brain. It's pleasant, not bad weird, and the nurses and doctors are so excited.
Anytime I'm in the hospital, all the nurses want to hear my mitral valve click as well. It doesn't bother me, but it's really easy to hear. They tell me that once they know what it's supposed to sound like, it's easier to hear on other people. Doesn't hurt me, helps them. Why not?
I also had my doctors at the Mayo Clinic send my pancreatitis tests to the surgeon who did my gallbladder removal. He didn't do anything wrong--there was no reason to think that my anatomy was different. I really admired how concerned he was about me and did everything he could to help me get better--instead of clamming up and being afraid that I'd sue him. (lots of people told me I should) He mostly wanted to know what went wrong so he'd know how to keep that from happening again. I did run into him a couple years later. He was so happy I was doing better, and he told me that ever since, he'd always looked for the anatomical difference I had. He'd recently operated on a girl about my age, and she had it, too. And because I'd made the doctors send him all my files, he knew what to look for. So she didn't have a bile leak, get painful scar tissue, or develop pancreatitis.
I've lost a lot of people I love to horrible diseases. I really admire those who donate their bodies and volunteer for clinical trials, etc. Sometimes it's not about just what can help us personally. It's about making life easier for other people, even people we'll never meet.
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Post by Olan on Oct 29, 2016 14:53:31 GMT
I haven't read the book, but I knew who she was. If doctors and researchers could learn anything from me, I'd gladly volunteer it and have before. Whatever keeps fewer people from having to go through what I've gone through. When I was a patient at U of M in Michigan, I was asked to be an example for a class--the students asked questions and examined me to try to figure out what my condition was as part of a rotation. It was really interesting. I also get asked by the cardiology department to let everyone come in a see what a bubble study SHOULD look like. A bubble study is when they shoot saline through my system that has had thousands of tiny little bubbles added. I had the POF hole in my heart patched with a little gortex and wire device that the body then scars over, closing the hole. Sometime the hole doesn't patch over perfectly, so when the bubbles go into one heart chamber, they'll pass through the patch. I scar very easily and thickly, so no bubbles at all go across. So anytime the cardiologists check to make sure that the patch is still scarred over right, they get really excited. So I wind up having the whole department line up to see it in person. I already have the IV, and it's just saline. The bubbles do feel weird. It's like that effervescent feeling in your nose when you sniff a glass of carbonated soda that is all bubbling up with foam. Except you can feel it in your brain. It's pleasant, not bad weird, and the nurses and doctors are so excited. Anytime I'm in the hospital, all the nurses want to hear my mitral valve click as well. It doesn't bother me, but it's really easy to hear. They tell me that once they know what it's supposed to sound like, it's easier to hear on other people. Doesn't hurt me, helps them. Why not? I also had my doctors at the Mayo Clinic send my pancreatitis tests to the surgeon who did my gallbladder removal. He didn't do anything wrong--there was no reason to think that my anatomy was different. I really admired how concerned he was about me and did everything he could to help me get better--instead of clamming up and being afraid that I'd sue him. (lots of people told me I should) He mostly wanted to know what went wrong so he'd know how to keep that from happening again. I did run into him a couple years later. He was so happy I was doing better, and he told me that ever since, he'd always looked for the anatomical difference I had. He'd recently operated on a girl about my age, and she had it, too. And because I'd made the doctors send him all my files, he knew what to look for. So she didn't have a bile leak, get painful scar tissue, or develop pancreatitis. I've lost a lot of people I love to horrible diseases. I really admire those who donate their bodies and volunteer for clinical trials, etc. Sometimes it's not about just what can help us personally. It's about making life easier for other people, even people we'll never meet. I'm sure the admiration means the world to the Lacks family..... but I can only imagine what I would feel like if my mother was the reason folks weren't dropping dead from polio and no one even bothered to name a building after her. The disparity in care is still prevalent. Having that bit of racism dismantled would be compensation enough I bet. I have older black people in my family who are still very leery of doctors. J. Marion Sims, Tuskegee syphyliss experiment, hell present day medicine all contribute to this! This month my sister had to ask her doctor (In Ohio) about a "Don't Tred on Me" poster she was shocked to find in her examining room. Oct 28, 2016 6:44:07 GMT -4 scorpeao said: crimsoncat05 Avatar Oct 28, 2016 6:36:16 GMT -4 crimsoncat05 said: ^^^ 'Normal' cancer cells would eventually die whenever they tried to grow them, if I remember correctly... the mutation that allows the HeLa cells to grow unchecked is pretty rare, right?? that's why there are so few truly 'immortal' cell lines? I'm not sure that her mutation was rare as it was caused by HPV. I don't know if all cancer cells are immortal in a lab setting, but any cell type can be "made" to be immortal. It's not easy though...I tried many times with one cell type and wasn't successful. Interesting.
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Post by Nink on Oct 29, 2016 15:13:48 GMT
Forgive my ignorance, but why is the "Don't tread on me" poster about? Isn't that a battle cry from the revolutionary war against the British?
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Post by Olan on Oct 29, 2016 15:46:04 GMT
Forgive my ignorance, but why is the "Don't tread on me" poster about? Isn't that a battle cry from the revolutionary war against the British? She called me from the doctors office. Neither of us knew what it meant. Deciding to take a stand and not be seen that day sucked for her. He tried to explain himself but it didnt belong in that setting at all. But when you think about it if it was say a bumper sticker his patients never saw and he treated them well that wouldn't be good either. That's why I think the divisiveness this election caused was much needed in many many many ways.
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Post by Kymberlee on Oct 29, 2016 15:57:38 GMT
Olan, I'm very confused. I don't mean to be dense, but what are you talking about? Oh, and in answer to your question, I do know who Henrietta Lachs was and I find the story fascinating. M in Carolina, thank you for sharing your story. I'm sure being a human guinea pig isn't the most pleasant experience but I thank you for doing your part in helping others.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Oct 29, 2016 16:19:42 GMT
Yes. I read the book.
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Post by Nink on Oct 29, 2016 16:19:46 GMT
Olan, I'm very confused. I don't mean to be dense, but what are you talking about? Oh, and in answer to your question, I do know who Henrietta Lachs was and I find the story fascinating. M in Carolina, thank you for sharing your story. I'm sure being a human guinea pig isn't the most pleasant experience but I thank you for doing your part in helping others. I'm confused as well. I'm sincerely not trying to be argumentative or get off topic, but just trying to understand. If you didn't know what it meant what was she taking a stand against? I read the link that was posted, but that term was not racially motivated when it was created. Maybe the practitioner was trying to explain him/herself because like many of us, it was not on their radar that it meant anything more to them than the revolutionary war/British history behind it.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 29, 2016 16:49:14 GMT
Yes I do.
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Post by scrappinghappy on Oct 29, 2016 16:57:29 GMT
Yes I do. I actually did research using them when I was still in college.
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Post by scrapaddie on Oct 29, 2016 18:28:15 GMT
Yes!
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Post by scrapaddie on Oct 29, 2016 19:02:36 GMT
^^^ 'Normal' cancer cells would eventually die whenever they tried to grow them, if I remember correctly... the mutation that allows the HeLa cells to grow unchecked is pretty rare, right?? that's why there are so few truly 'immortal' cell lines? I'm not sure that her mutation was rare as it was caused by HPV. I don't know if all cancer cells are immortal in a lab setting, but any cell type can be "made" to be immortal. It's not easy though...I tried many times with one cell type and wasn't successful. Most human cells, healthy or cancerous, will die after several generations ( the number 7 comes to mind, but I am not certain). He@La cells kept on growing and growing.... infant they seem almost invincible! 1 HeLa cell stuck to the side of a culture dish can overtake most other cell cultures!!
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Post by Olan on Oct 29, 2016 20:19:08 GMT
Olan, I'm very confused. I don't mean to be dense, but what are you talking about? Oh, and in answer to your question, I do know who Henrietta Lachs was and I find the story fascinating. M in Carolina, thank you for sharing your story. I'm sure being a human guinea pig isn't the most pleasant experience but I thank you for doing your part in helping others. Not sure what you mean. Confused about why she walked out the doctors office or what the "Don't Tred On Me" sign meant? I thought gun control and I forget what her guess was. Neither of us were entirely clear on what it meant even after I googled because my focus was switched to helping her find a new doctor. We both agreed it didn't belong in an examining room.
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Post by Nink on Oct 29, 2016 20:25:45 GMT
Olan, I'm very confused. I don't mean to be dense, but what are you talking about? Oh, and in answer to your question, I do know who Henrietta Lachs was and I find the story fascinating. M in Carolina, thank you for sharing your story. I'm sure being a human guinea pig isn't the most pleasant experience but I thank you for doing your part in helping others. Not sure what you mean. Confused about why she walked about the doctors office or what the "Don't Tred On Me" sign meant? I thought gun control and I forget what her guess was. Never of us were entirely clear of what it meant even after I googled because my focus was switched to helping her find a new doctor. We both agreed it didn't belong in an examining room. So, you admit that neither of you have a clue what it means, but decided to be offended by it? Which I guess is your right, but that seems a little over reactive. It has nothing to do with gun control. It was a sign of Independence and freedom during the revolutionary war.
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 29, 2016 20:42:27 GMT
Not sure what you mean. Confused about why she walked about the doctors office or what the "Don't Tred On Me" sign meant? I thought gun control and I forget what her guess was. Never of us were entirely clear of what it meant even after I googled because my focus was switched to helping her find a new doctor. We both agreed it didn't belong in an examining room. It has nothing to do with gun control. It was a sign of Independence and freedom during the revolutionary war. I have read (and don't quote me on this because I can't remember where) is that in the 10 years or so that the flag has been co-opted by some of the more in the fringe groups to signify their concerns that the government has strayed too far from the original intent as set up by the founding fathers. Think the Clive Bundy types. Not that it's an overtly racist symbol, more of an anti-government one. But. It wasn't really seen that way until president Obama was elected and was thought to be a closet Muslim who sided with terrorists and was going to circumvent all the rules and turn the US into a socialist country. That is my understanding though. I wouldn't jump to the automatic assumption that it is a racist symbol, because that wasn't the feeling I got from what I read, but definitely one where I would definitely have questions about their political leanings...
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Post by Nink on Oct 29, 2016 20:44:44 GMT
It has nothing to do with gun control. It was a sign of Independence and freedom during the revolutionary war. I have read (and don't quote me on this because I can't remember where) is that in the 10 years or so that the flag has been co-opted by some of the more in the fringe groups to signify their concerns that the government has strayed too far from the original intent as set up by the founding fathers. Think the Clive Bundy types. Not that it's an overtly racist symbol, more of an anti-government one. But. It wasn't really seen that way until president Obama was elected and was thought to be a closet Muslim who sided with terrorists and was going to circumvent all the rules and turn the US into a socialist country. That is my understanding though. I wouldn't jump to the automatic assumption that it is a racist symbol, because that wasn't the feeling I got from what I read, but definitely one where I would definitely have questions about their political leanings... Thank you for that explanation. I was unaware of it.
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Post by Kymberlee on Oct 30, 2016 1:00:56 GMT
I know what "Don't Tread On Me" means. I was just confused why you were so offended by it. It sounds like you weren't sure why you were offended by it either so whatever.
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Post by chaosisapony on Oct 30, 2016 1:09:14 GMT
I've only heard of her from the threads about the book here and on the old two peas. It seems fascinating but I haven't attempted to read it, not sure I'd understand the science side of it.
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Post by Olan on Oct 30, 2016 3:33:26 GMT
I know what "Don't Tread On Me" means. I was just confused why you were so offended by it. It sounds like you weren't sure why you were offended by it either so whatever. That isn't exactly true. Conversation went more like hey Olan I kinda think this might be offensive. I say after much back and forth "Well we only think it's offensive because the kid in High school had it"...that and many others. Mostly Hitler related. Because of reasons I won't share here (the peas focus on petty) I say "Love I think it has something to do with the NRA you must see the visit through". Hey the kid did love guns too. She says Olan GOOGLE it! So I google it. I don't come up with anything new. Even more confused in fact. We talk a little more and I find out she is IN the examine room. I thought it was in the waiting room. You guys will probably find a way to spin this but for me that kinda changes things. Then even more shocking I say well hell at least make him explain why he has it in the damn examining room! We hang up. Maybe he wasn't expecting it but he stammered out "I just think Trump will shake things up a bit" first thing. He does a little more explaining and to my knowledge she didn't argue his politics just his bright idea that it somehow belonged in an examine room. So no maybe not exactly how you think it went down. All that's to say what you think the flag means vs what he thinks it means which I guess is overtly Trump support really doesn't matter much. No ones political leanings or revolutionary war reenactment hobby should be viewable in a waiting room. Blow by blow of telemarketing call so we are two for two and Gina can say I am a "real" pea and not someone who just drops black history facts (which I fully intend primary focus so yay!) here it goes: Olan: Hello CDC: Something Something vaccines in children. Olan: *again...grrr* Tell me what you know about HeLa. Olan: *before she could finish* you don't even know who she is. CDC: scripted answer blabber. No I don't know who she is. I didn't call you earlier. She didn't answer the phone when I called. Olan: *stares at phone* Why would a poster about the revolutionary war be in an examine room. Or waiting room for that matter.
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 30, 2016 11:08:01 GMT
Olan I am a middle aged white girl and a Gadsen flag in the exam room would make me uncomfortable too. Particularly if the doc couldn't give me a clear and inoffensive answer as to why it was there. I'm not a big fan of mixing politics and business, but it happens. I do, however, expect that if questions are asked, the business owner is prepared for the loss if business if I find it offensive. (Although, unlike the people in the other thread, I am not a shouter or harasser, I just won't come back.)
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Post by teddyw on Oct 30, 2016 11:17:08 GMT
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