joelise
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Post by joelise on Oct 2, 2017 16:22:31 GMT
Shocking news. My heart goes out to everyone affected!
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freebird
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Post by freebird on Oct 2, 2017 16:36:22 GMT
Fully automatic weapons are not legal. He probably modified his semi-automatic weapons which he may or may not have obtained legally. Right, so how are lax laws to blame for this? I still maintain this is a mental health issue. We need more mental health care facilities - which started going out under the Reagan era.
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Post by busy on Oct 2, 2017 16:42:23 GMT
Right, so how are lax laws to blame for this? I still maintain this is a mental health issue. We need more mental health care facilities - which started going out under the Reagan era. I also think we need more mental health care options for a whole host of reasons, but I find it curious how quickly we assume it's a mental health issue when the perpetrator is a white man and how quickly we assume it's ideologically-driven terrorism when it's not.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Oct 2, 2017 16:51:16 GMT
Did he have these weapons legally? I can't confirm, but just by the sound, it sounded like an automatic weapon. From what I know, that would be illegallt. He could have modified a legal gun to do that, but that would make it illegal as well. I believe that he had 10+ rifles modified to hold higher capacity magazines. This is my city. I always knew something like this was possible (and probable) given how many people are tightly packed in a small area, but you never expect to wake up and hear your biggest concerns realized. I got a call from my MIL last night well after we had gone to bed. I ignored the call to get rid of the lights and loud sound and then pulled up FB on my phone as soon as I was a bit more with it to see if she had an emergency she was trying to contact me about and had posted about it only to discover people were talking about the shooting. At the time, it was 3 critically wounded and hotels other than Mandalay also dealing with suspected shooters. When we had the idiot mow down tourists several months back and the number of deaths went from 20+ speculated to just 1, it was a relief to know that the loss of life wasn't as bad as expected. To wake up and find out that instead of 3 wounded, we were faced with 50+ deaths and hundreds injured...much worse than what was being speculated last night tears my heart out. I can't donate blood right now. I tried to go to a facility and I only have a couple of hours. The lines are insanely long with 4+ hour waits (with my obligations to pick my kids up from school, the most I can wait is about 3 hours at any point today) and they are using some vacant land from bulldozed buildings as overflow parking because there are so many people wanting to donate. I am trying to hold onto that sight, that this tragedy is bringing out the best in my community. Thankfully, it doesn't appear that anyone I know was harmed and I only knew of 2 people who might have been in the area (that was before I learned it was a country music festival and that dropped the number to one...he is a friend's husband who is a valet and the first thing that popped up on FB today was his wife stating that they were all okay). The closest this has impacted me is that I know of is a former co-worker of my husband's who now drives taxis on the strip. He was working when it happened and used his vehicle to pile people in and get them out of harm's way and went back and forth for as long as he could. My husband told me that the interior of his friend's vehicle was covered in blood when all was said and done. You always wonder, but you never expect it to hit you so close to home.
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freebird
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Post by freebird on Oct 2, 2017 16:56:41 GMT
I still maintain this is a mental health issue. We need more mental health care facilities - which started going out under the Reagan era. I also think we need more mental health care options for a whole host of reasons, but I find it curious how quickly we assume it's a mental health issue when the perpetrator is a white man and how quickly we assume it's ideologically-driven terrorism when it's not. I think that anyone that shoots up a crowd of ppl has mental health problems, no matter what his or her color is.
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Post by heather on Oct 2, 2017 17:06:04 GMT
Just heard 2 coworkers discussing this and saying events like this is why we need more concealed carry.
We are getting what we deserve.
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Post by katlady on Oct 2, 2017 17:11:27 GMT
Just heard 2 coworkers discussing this and saying events like this is why we need more concealed carry. We are getting what we deserve. The shooter was shooting from across the street, 32 floors up. I don’t see how anybody with guns on the concert floor could have done anything. It was dark, bullets were bouncing off the concrete floor, there was chaos.
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Post by gale w on Oct 2, 2017 17:24:12 GMT
My sister and nephew posted on FB that they're safe, and I got texts from my other two sisters. My mom is, of course, with my sister. So she's fine. My other nephew lives at home so if he was in danger/hurt/worse my sister would have let me know by now. When I read this it was 1 am over there so I didn't want to call. So I was up every couple of hours checking to see if they had replied. Praying for Las Vegas and everyone affected by this.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Oct 2, 2017 17:25:53 GMT
Just heard 2 coworkers discussing this and saying events like this is why we need more concealed carry. We are getting what we deserve. The shooter was shooting from across the street, 32 floors up. I don’t see how anybody with guns on the concert floor could have done anything. It was dark, bullets were bouncing off the concrete floor, there was chaos. Yup. And in that chaos, if concealed carry people were permitted to do so at the concert, a number of them might have added bullets to the chaos. Seriously? Seriously! What were these co workers of heather thinking?
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Post by anonrefugee on Oct 2, 2017 18:44:05 GMT
Oh my goodness how terrifying. Five years ago yesterday dh and I were at Mandalay Bay starting our vacation. 🙁 It's the small connections to place or event that enhances the horror. My teenage DS recently saw Jason Aldean perform in an outdoor venue, it was his second or third comment after waking up to the news. Peace to Refupeas who help make the world smaller in a good way!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 19:10:04 GMT
The shooter was shooting from across the street, 32 floors up. I don’t see how anybody with guns on the concert floor could have done anything. It was dark, bullets were bouncing off the concrete floor, there was chaos. Yup. And in that chaos, if concealed carry people were permitted to do so at the concert, a number of them might have added bullets to the chaos. Seriously? Seriously! What were these co workers of heather thinking? They're not thinking. That's the problem.
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Post by deekaye on Oct 2, 2017 19:52:39 GMT
My daughter and I spent a few days together in Las Vegas last week. We checked out of Mandalay Bay on Friday; the shooter had checked in on Thursday. I couldn't sleep last night thinking of how close we were to this tragedy. My hearts go out to those that were there.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 2, 2017 19:56:07 GMT
One of the heads of my company was there... this is what he shared. So scary.
We are safe ... we at first didn't believe it. It sounded like fireworks. I heard 3 go off first. Everyone was looking around for what it was. Concert kept going.
Then it just started to rain gunshots. Literally hundreds and hundreds. No one believed it was gunfire. 30 or 40 of us ran into our suite to take cover. Thank god we at least had the chairs and the thin walls for cover. We all laid together on the floor. Screaming, yelling, shut the door.
Only now did the concert and Jason Aldean realize he had to stop and now everyone realized it was gunfire. We left everything behind and just hid. Everyone outside laid on the ground thinking if you got down you would be safe.
Then people started running and screaming and jumping the fence in the middle of the arena. You could see that shots were coming from the Strip side and we assumed someone on the ground. We stayed down on the floor for several more minutes. I started to look up behind the chairs to see if we should run.
I saw police running towards the bodies (god bless them) and I assumed the shooter. No one could have known it was a sniper. People were down everywhere. We assumed they were trampled or fell. Only now do we know they were shot.
Gunshots came through the window of our suite just above our heads even though some ex military said it doesn't sound like shots. We hit the floor again. I held Lauren tight between my legs on the floor trying to cover her as everyone was screaming. People were praying out loud. They thought we were going to die.
Finally someone ripped the door open and screamed get out, get out. We all ran out the back and Lauren and I got separated. I panicked, she panicked. I passed several people being carried or dragged, one lady dead for sure. Blood everywhere on so many.
I took cover again. The gunshots were still going it seemed like it would never end. Behind a concrete barrier right behind our suite screaming for Lauren.
I couldn't find Lauren. I found my friend Marshall and we both agreed to meet at Hooters Hotel as we could see it. Still gun shots ringing out everywhere it seemed to come from all over.
I called and called Lauren. Screaming yelling and panic. Everyone running. Still gunshots ringing. Was many many minutes I would guess 6 or 7 minutes of shooting. People running. Blood on so many.
I reached Lauren on the phone but it kept breaking up, I was running and knew she was running too. I could still hear gunshots. I passed another 6 or 7 people who had been hit. None fatal out here just blood flowing. I ran though the parking lot. People were climbing the spiked security fence and getting hurt but better than staying there.
I ran another half mile and guys were angry shouting they wanted their guns to go kill all those mothers.
I found several police cars and took cover. I called and called Lauren she was hiding under a car back in the parking lot as people were shouting of another shooter. I couldn't move so I helped with handing out first aid gear. The guy next to me was shot through the hand. Girl next to him in chest. Next guy the leg. Next girl in the shoulder. They were all along the street, just so many.
Police were all carrying either shotguns or pistols. Off duty police started showing badges and helping with traffic. Cars were racing they were all full with people. It was dangerous. Ambulances started arriving.
I still couldn't find Lauren. It had been another 5 or so minutes. I was scared for her. We got each other on phone. She didn't know where she was but was with a group all taking cover behind an apartment complex. People were smashing windows to get into buildings to survive.
Then police tactical with at least 12 SWAT or similar officers running and taking cover behind it drove past down the road I had run along to escape and get where I was.
I found Lauren on Find My IPhone. I ran towards her. I reached her on the phone. About a half mile run later I found her. So relieved. We ran again. Towards Tropicana and when we got there police told us to keep running.
My amazing buddy Marshall had found his car and we ran to Top Golf and he picked us up.
Everyone has called. Thank you.
We are home. We are exhausted. We were scared like crazy. Hasn't really hit yet.
All my friends who were there got out safe but so many did not. So many were shot.
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Post by holly on Oct 2, 2017 19:56:08 GMT
I just found out that my cousins daughter was at the concert. She's ok but her friend was shot in the arm, she's going to be ok too. I can't even imagine. Everyone else I know that happened to be in Vegas, I know of 4-5, all are safe.
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melissa
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Post by melissa on Oct 2, 2017 20:08:52 GMT
Such horrific accounts coming out. My heart goes out to all affected. Everyone I know who is in the Vegas area is OK, but I am surprised by the one to two degrees of separation with posts from friends. A woman from a breast cancer support group I once was active in is "on life support" but now stable (I am guessing she is on a vent). The mother of a dance studio owner where a friend's dd danced is also in ICU with a chest wound. An orthopedist from TN lost her husband. Another friend of a doctor can't find her husband even now. So much tragedy. Dd and all in her ballet company are fine. A group of them were in the area during the day, but had an early call this morning at one of the Cirque theaters so everyone went home nice and early. Dd works for an agency that provides models to stand around at booths at these sorts of things and could have technically worked this festival, but country music is not her thing, she had an early call on Monday and she has a midterm coming up for her one college class. She was supposed to rehearse this morning at the theater, but all Cirque shows are closed today. Those nearest (MJ One) were on lock down and were there for hours and, naturally, are taking the day off. I am headed to Vegas in about a week. It will be my first visit to the strip.
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luckyexwife
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Post by luckyexwife on Oct 2, 2017 20:36:56 GMT
Reports here saying he shot himself and the woman they were looking for was not even in the country, he used her id it seems. I saw a young woman interviewed who said a woman made her way to the front seats and said you are all going to die, this was about 45 mins before the shooting began, security took her and another person away. Have you heard any more about this? Has anyone? Was she actually trying to warn people, or was it just a coincidence?
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wellway
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Post by wellway on Oct 2, 2017 20:52:06 GMT
Reports here saying he shot himself and the woman they were looking for was not even in the country, he used her id it seems. I saw a young woman interviewed who said a woman made her way to the front seats and said you are all going to die, this was about 45 mins before the shooting began, security took her and another person away. Have you heard any more about this? Has anyone? Was she actually trying to warn people, or was it just a coincidence? This is the link to the interview. I've been out so haven't seen any update. It just struck me as odd. news.sky.com/story/las-vegas-shooting-crowd-warned-youre-all-going-to-die-11064484
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Post by mom on Oct 2, 2017 21:02:06 GMT
I still maintain this is a mental health issue. We need more mental health care facilities - which started going out under the Reagan era. I also think we need more mental health care options for a whole host of reasons, but I find it curious how quickly we assume it's a mental health issue when the perpetrator is a white man and how quickly we assume it's ideologically-driven terrorism when it's not. There has been no evidence whatsoever to base any reasoning that this could be ideology related. They have said (and quite quickly released) that he was not on anyone's radar. He had no criminal history, no known associations with any fringe group. His race never came into my mind when I heard what happened. I don't care what color he is. He obviously has some sort of mental health crisis going on. SaveSave
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Post by mom on Oct 2, 2017 21:03:25 GMT
Such horrific accounts coming out. My heart goes out to all affected. Everyone I know who is in the Vegas area is OK, but I am surprised by the one to two degrees of separation with posts from friends. A woman from a breast cancer support group I once was active in is "on life support" but now stable (I am guessing she is on a vent). The mother of a dance studio owner where a friend's dd danced is also in ICU with a chest wound. An orthopedist from TN lost her husband. Another friend of a doctor can't find her husband even now. So much tragedy. Dd and all in her ballet company are fine. A group of them were in the area during the day, but had an early call this morning at one of the Cirque theaters so everyone went home nice and early. Dd works for an agency that provides models to stand around at booths at these sorts of things and could have technically worked this festival, but country music is not her thing, she had an early call on Monday and she has a midterm coming up for her one college class. She was supposed to rehearse this morning at the theater, but all Cirque shows are closed today. Those nearest (MJ One) were on lock down and were there for hours and, naturally, are taking the day off. I am headed to Vegas in about a week. It will be my first visit to the strip. I am so glad your daughter and her friends are safe. You must have been so relieved to hear from her! SaveSave
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Post by heather on Oct 2, 2017 21:11:30 GMT
The shooter was shooting from across the street, 32 floors up. I don’t see how anybody with guns on the concert floor could have done anything. It was dark, bullets were bouncing off the concrete floor, there was chaos. Yup. And in that chaos, if concealed carry people were permitted to do so at the concert, a number of them might have added bullets to the chaos. Seriously? Seriously! What were these co workers of heather thinking? I was going to mention that to them. But if someone thinks that the solution to America’s gun problem is more guns, then there’s not much to be said. I can’t believe that this is my country.
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Post by birukitty on Oct 2, 2017 21:30:45 GMT
My heart and prayers go out to everyone effected by this terrible tragedy. I am so angry that it's happened yet again in this country where a purpose driven NRA bribes a corrupt congress into deciding what laws to make or strike from the books regarding gun control. In the other civilized nations this doesn't occur. Not with this frequency. What will it take? How many dead will be enough? While mental health does play a part you must admit that other nations also have mental health problems and yet their citizens aren't being gunned down in record numbers like U.S. citizens are. It has to be our gun laws. Or lack there of in comparison to the UK or Australia.
There is no purpose for a citizen to own a semi-automatic gun in my opinion. With this law on the books this man was able to modify his legal semi-automatic gun into an automatic gun and commit this horrific slaughter. And yet, if a classroom full of dead kindergartners doesn't change things I guess nothing will.
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marimoose
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Post by marimoose on Oct 2, 2017 21:42:40 GMT
Such horrific accounts coming out. My heart goes out to all affected. Everyone I know who is in the Vegas area is OK, but I am surprised by the one to two degrees of separation with posts from friends. A woman from a breast cancer support group I once was active in is "on life support" but now stable (I am guessing she is on a vent). The mother of a dance studio owner where a friend's dd danced is also in ICU with a chest wound. An orthopedist from TN lost her husband. Another friend of a doctor can't find her husband even now. So much tragedy. Dd and all in her ballet company are fine. A group of them were in the area during the day, but had an early call this morning at one of the Cirque theaters so everyone went home nice and early. Dd works for an agency that provides models to stand around at booths at these sorts of things and could have technically worked this festival, but country music is not her thing, she had an early call on Monday and she has a midterm coming up for her one college class. She was supposed to rehearse this morning at the theater, but all Cirque shows are closed today. Those nearest (MJ One) were on lock down and were there for hours and, naturally, are taking the day off. I am headed to Vegas in about a week. It will be my first visit to the strip. So happy that your daughter is safe. That must be a tremendous relief. I do hope that your trip next week is not ruined by this event. I have been to Vegas 3 times for music events in the past year, after a 30 year hiatus, and I never felt unsafe. I was at another huge outdoor country music festival there and loved every minute of it. This is an isolated incident by a crazed person and I hope this tragedy does not make people stop enjoying life and all it offers.
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Post by monklady123 on Oct 2, 2017 22:03:50 GMT
Such horrific accounts coming out. My heart goes out to all affected. Everyone I know who is in the Vegas area is OK, but I am surprised by the one to two degrees of separation with posts from friends. A woman from a breast cancer support group I once was active in is "on life support" but now stable (I am guessing she is on a vent). The mother of a dance studio owner where a friend's dd danced is also in ICU with a chest wound. An orthopedist from TN lost her husband. Another friend of a doctor can't find her husband even now. So much tragedy. Dd and all in her ballet company are fine. A group of them were in the area during the day, but had an early call this morning at one of the Cirque theaters so everyone went home nice and early. Dd works for an agency that provides models to stand around at booths at these sorts of things and could have technically worked this festival, but country music is not her thing, she had an early call on Monday and she has a midterm coming up for her one college class. She was supposed to rehearse this morning at the theater, but all Cirque shows are closed today. Those nearest (MJ One) were on lock down and were there for hours and, naturally, are taking the day off. I am headed to Vegas in about a week. It will be my first visit to the strip. Wow Melissa, so happy that your dd is okay. And I'm very sorry for your other connections to those who were shot.
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luckyexwife
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Post by luckyexwife on Oct 3, 2017 0:14:24 GMT
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Post by jenn on Oct 3, 2017 0:58:43 GMT
Such awful news to wake up to. Sending prayers up for those involved and their family & friends. my entire family is in vegas. Hopefully safe at home. Gale - I hope your family is safe. Thinking of you as you wait for word. (((hugs))) As it is, I have one friend in the hospital and another has not returned texts. I am hoping he is safe. Jenn - Any word from your second friend? I will keep them both in my thoughts & prayers. Thankfully they are both ok. His phone dropped when it happened. He is safe. My other friend seems to be ok... more shaken up than anything. Thanks for asking.
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Post by panda on Oct 3, 2017 1:25:06 GMT
The father of my son's best friend was shot. He was in Vegas with his wife, we are from Vancouver BC. Luckily he is ok, it went straight through his shoulder.
This is so heartbreaking.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 3, 2017 1:36:51 GMT
I'm reading about some of the victims with tears running down my face.
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marimoose
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Post by marimoose on Oct 3, 2017 1:49:48 GMT
The father of my son's best friend was shot. He was in Vegas with his wife, we are from Vancouver BC. Luckily he is ok, it went straight through his shoulder. This is so heartbreaking. Thank goodness. This is good news in light of everything else I have read today.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 3:36:33 GMT
My thoughts and prayers are with everyone involved, those helping and all of us affected. Closely or otherwise.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Oct 3, 2017 4:00:04 GMT
My friend was there with 2 family members. They ended up being separated so for her, it was terrifying until she found out they were okay. This was the end of their trip in the USA. I was shocked to see her post when I woke up that all 3 of them were okay and in lockdown.
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