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Post by gale w on Feb 2, 2019 23:03:31 GMT
I'm sure it's been brought up and then deleted at least a few times.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 10:50:27 GMT
Embri your little die cut critters are art so I can see why they get the Copic love. I have Prismacolor Alcohol Markers I use for crafting. I am thinking of getting some of the cheaper off brand ones too. A hobbyist artist I know loves the ProMarkers. I wanted to see the thread about the Picket Fence brushes. I noticed the board is very quiet. It is more quiet than usual. I think Lydia and Dini are pulling posts after posts. The board seemed really censored. Maybe, it's just something that has been going on a long time & I just noticed. I am not being snarky but I am really surprised the site is still getting decent ad revenue. Traffic there seems to be diminishing. The forum itself does not seem to be very informational. I know if I found that board as a stamper I would think it was a dead board and look for something else. It is a shame because there are so few stamping forums. The girls have been talking over there for months how stamping is not popular. I definitely think that is not the case.. Instagram is proof that it's more popular than ever. I think SCS is not as big or an important resource as it once was. It's a shame it was a really good resource. The worst thing you can do as a mod is be over controlling on your forum. Your forum needs it's own personality to survive.
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Post by Embri on Feb 3, 2019 18:42:21 GMT
I started with the ProMarkers, they're quite good as long as you aren't reliant on a brush nib. The only reason I went with Copics in the end was because they were refillable. Almost all of mine are the original style with chisel/fine point. I'd concur that SCS is quieter than usual, even just between the time I actively started posting and now. There've only been a few posts to any of the topics I'm subscribed to. Maybe it's a demographic split? I'm no spring chicken but a lot of the posts there make me feel the generation gap all the same. Between that and the heavy religious undertone... I can see why younger stampers might not be flocking to join up and going with more modern platforms like Insta.
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Post by riley on Feb 3, 2019 21:43:05 GMT
Totally not a spring chicken but mostly it's so boring over there, no humor. Once in awhile someone makes a pretty good joke and you can tell they don't even get it. Just a different kind of board I guess. Yeah it feels either like a delete or people just don't want to get banned or chastised.
Had this thought about stamp positioners. Seems like if stamp positioners had been allowed to evolve instead of the lawsuit approach we would have ended up a with a better end product. There is room for improvement on all of these and if different companies had been allowed to compete and keep making more refined ones.
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Post by Embri on Feb 3, 2019 22:58:23 GMT
Definitely we'd have a better line of products. Competition breeds innovation, and it's pretty hard to argue that the MISTI is the pinnacle of perfection with no design flaws. (Hah!) I mean I could build a better one with a few hours and some polycarbonate, soooo... *headshake* You don't use acrylic sheets where there's going to be a lot of repeated stress and flexing, not if you want a durable product.
The junk yard dog attitude is also ironic given that the MISTI isn't even her own idea... similar presses have been in use since the early days of set typography, and more recently with things like the Letterpress.
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Post by scrapnnana on Feb 3, 2019 23:58:18 GMT
amayalylac, when scrapbooking was popular, stamping was not. Since I had been stamping about 10 years before I started scrapbooking, I was delighted when stamping made a comeback. Stamping is still popular, which is why the stamp platform was such a hot item. No, I do not think it is losing interest among crafters, at least not yet.
Embri, you are right. Competition stimulates innovation. Instead of becoming more competitive, MSP just brought legal action to stomp out her competition. I think she knew she couldn't compete. The Tim Holtz platform was a smart improvement. So was the one by Stampin' Up. They were competing with the MISTI, so they had to be innovative in order to be competitive.
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Post by riley on Feb 4, 2019 3:06:50 GMT
I edited my post to sound less critical. I must still be slightly annoyed from when my Misti developed cracks within a couple weeks. Stuff happens though.
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Post by Embri on Feb 4, 2019 4:04:55 GMT
Why wouldn't you be annoyed? You (presumably) paid a hefty price for a premium specialty product, and instead got something that started showing signs of damage after less than a month of use. Tools aren't supposed to break under normal operating conditions. Sure, they often wear out over time - but years, or decades of use, not days. There's enough throwaway waste in our modern culture without adding in products that should have a long useful lifespan as well.
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Post by riley on Feb 4, 2019 17:21:29 GMT
True. It was replaced but with what was clearly a second because the ruler was misaligned with a huge gap at the bottom. My friend who was barely past her warranty couldn’t get hers replaced. After that I just decided I was not in her corner. Maybe replacements got a little more liberal as it became clear the wrong materials had been used. Seems like Don spoke to that plastic issue some years ago.
I agree about the competition and innovation.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 5, 2019 17:13:30 GMT
I thought about this thread the other day. I’m in some different cookie decorating groups online and someone linked an Instagram post showing a stencil holder tool for cookies that is the same basic concept, a hinged holder thing that the stencil snaps into. Put your iced cookie in it over the outline underneath, flip the stencil down and you can either airbrush through the stencil or “screenprint” with thickened royal icing. I immediately thought to myself, “I wonder if the sue-happy positioner lady is going to go after these people too!”
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Post by riley on Feb 5, 2019 18:15:49 GMT
I thought about this thread the other day. I’m in some different cookie decorating groups online and someone linked an Instagram post showing a stencil holder tool for cookies that is the same basic concept, a hinged holder thing that the stencil snaps into. Put your iced cookie in it over the outline underneath, flip the stencil down and you can either airbrush through the stencil or “screenprint” with thickened royal icing. I immediately thought to myself, “I wonder if the sue-happy positioner lady is going to go after these people too!” That would be pretty funny.
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Post by Embri on Feb 6, 2019 2:11:42 GMT
A near identical system is used for batch screen printing multi-colour designs on t-shirts, too. The various stencils are loaded on a carousel that rotates, so you can apply each colour without fiddling with the positioning.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 6, 2019 5:00:50 GMT
A near identical system is used for batch screen printing multi-colour designs on t-shirts, too. The various stencils are loaded on a carousel that rotates, so you can apply each colour without fiddling with the positioning. I had one of those four head screen printing presses back in the day! #BTDT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 11:32:42 GMT
Embri I was so tired and stressed last week. I didn't mean to say ProMarker's. I meant to type in Spectrum Noir, lol. Those are the ones with refills. I am in my forties. I started SCS in my thirties. I always felt the generational gap. It's funny the ladies in their 70's & 80's over there never made me feel that way. I have a youthful artsy view about stamping. I am also frugal. I do buy high end because I don't like to buy things over and over again. I buy once and keep it a billion years. I need to have art techniques in my creativity. I am not good at trend tools or trend techniques. I don't have anything against them. I love to encourage, ooh and aah over my friends that love to do those things. For me it feels alien and weird. All that combined you can't help feel a gap. I do see artsy stampers. They do not belong to a community. They will YouTube or Instagram. I guess the artsy stampers are the hermit stamper's, lol. riley I want to give you 1000 likes about the no humor over there. I loved to be cheeky and I have a good sense of humor. I always felt like I had to tone it down or I would get punched. Yes, I mean the word punched. One of my friends that posts over there really gets mad at the girls who tell her off for being funny. Don't edit your posts because you think your being too critcal. I bet you were not. I agree about the stamp positioners could be a better quality product now. I pressed down on Tim's platform the other day and small piece of plastic broke. I do not have arm strength so this was not a case of pressing the platform too hard. I was so upset. No damage to the platform that will make it unusable. Still, a piece chipped off. Competition if a lovely thing. I am so flummoxed that she has been in this industry for years and does not know it at all. A lot of us would have bought her MISTI and the other platforms. We buy multiples of the same kind of tools- positioners, die cutters, trimmer's, etc.... She also forgot this industry does not work well unless they work together. Also she should have not been a stickler about her religious phrase on the MISTI. I understand that some customer's would be thrilled to have that on their products. Give her customer's options for those who do not want it. Can you imagine if Tonic or SU put a religious phrase on their product? The public would have a melt down.
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Post by josie29 on Feb 11, 2019 10:46:28 GMT
I just don't get how she can do this. There are zillions of products that are copies of others. What a sad lady she must be to have to hunt potential copiers down and take them to court. Interestingly, I was watching a You-Tube video tonight about a homemade version of the MISTI from 2015 by Hallmark Scrapbook - link here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OroCHt54r4 which was done extremely well. But what surprised me was further down in the comments was where Hallmark Scrapbook mentioned the Stampressive which was made prior to the MISTI and linked to a video about it (Feb 2013) ---> www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcPnEjgAT_g (I hope it's OK to include the links as I am new at commenting in this forum?) It was designed in 2012 and patented in 2014 but in the UK (not sure about other countries). I found a link to a website in the UK that sells it www.ninacrafts.com/product.sc;jsessionid=71CDED6EA5E485D3B4921D0CCB9AA6FC.p3plqscsfapp002?productId=235 - and the following is taken from the Ninacrafts Website description under the Stampressive: "The ORIGINAL stamping platform designed and developed by Roy Higginbottom who has worked in the industry for 15+ years. A lovely lady approached Roy at a show many years ago, saying that she wished she was able to stamp, but her disability meant she wasn't able to. This sparked something for Roy and he began his work on the stampressive, Designed in 2012 and patented in 2014 the Stampressive works like a folder. The base is solid acrylic and the lid is a flexy polycarbonate lid (same material as the stamp and stash) this means you still only need fingertip pressure when stamping, it also means that if for any reason you have missed a little bit of printing, then providing you have used the stocky dots to secure your artwork you can re ink and fold the stamp over and impress your image again and it will be in the same place as before. A video is available on our facebook page or you can follow this link to the video on Youtube..."
I have no connection to any of the companies but have been watching the whole MSP saga & been more than irritated by the bullying and nastiness that MSP has shown even to people who want to make a homemade version for nothing more than their own personal use which I read some time ago on this forum. I think his name was Don (?) - not to mention others around the web. Makes me wonder if My Sweet Petunia based the MISTI on the Stampressive (?). Doesn't seem so original now.......and like alot of these products, there are often variations around the base idea - which is why it is nuts to go after SU and Tim Holtz's Stamping Platform because there are differences in the products - and people will purchase the product that is right for their type of crafting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 6:40:11 GMT
josie 29 you did a great job. Welcome to the board. I do remember way back at SCS there was a discussion about that Stampressive and how Iliana (sp?) got the idea from them. Any of my SCS girls do you remember that thread? I do remember it got pulled. I know it was about three to four years ago. That's all I can remember. Roy Higginbottom the creator of the Stampressive is an angel for making this product & his reasons for creating it. Thank you to him. I have seen so many new stampers who have disabilities now can stamp because of the stamp presses. I wrote in an earlier post I could stamp again without pain because of the stamp presses. NOOOOO does MS MISTI care about that she helped people become more creative, could have helped them through a dark time in their life, gave them a new spark and interest. OH NOOOOOOO! She cares about suing. Then she puts a Christian verse on her platform? That is just wrong on so many levels. If I was a creator of a stamp press and I saw homemade versions I would be so excited my product sparked that kind of interest. I would be so supportive. You are always going to have people who will buy the product, make the product or do both. I fall in the do both category. We as a community of stampers both as consumers and businesses need to be supportive & encouraging all types of ways we all stamp and how we use our tools. This kind of thing encourages innovation, freshness and longevity for our beloved hobby.
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Post by josie29 on Feb 12, 2019 12:07:39 GMT
Thank you for the welcome I don't remember reading on SCS about the Stampressive but no doubt, it was pulled. I used to post alot on SCS but haven't been on there very much in the past couple of years & have felt that discussions seem to get over-moderated so it has become a bit stifling & even cliquey at times. It's like you can't have an animated discussion about something - and I don't mean being catty or rude - just healthy discussion with people feeling free to share their points of view & not get shut down or get their posts deleted. And the boards are quieter which is a shame as it used to be so busy. Unfortunately, MSP's threats and behaviour will continue to come back to bite her. There is a difference between protecting your intellectual property (which she has the right to do of course) and setting the wolves on anyone & everyone who is inspired by her product(s). My MISTI lid cracked the 2nd time I used (I had the original one) and has continued to crack & 2 hinges are broken. When people initially had the same problem, MLP was very quick to shut people down & tell them they had misused her product or cleaned it with the wrong cleaner - but as it turned out, it was a manufacturing fault. I could have returned my MISTI to the USA (I live in another country) AT MY EXPENSE for Iliana to check - but it was unaffordable & I had already decided that I did not want to deal with someone who seemed to prefer to lash out rather than be apologetic & helpful.
In business, reputation is everything. It can take years to build a fantastic reputation but 5 minutes to tear it down. Success isn't just about what you accomplish in your life; it's about what you inspire others to do. And we are what we repeatedly do. I have replaced my MISTI with the Stamparatus & would never get another MISTI because of her seemingly rabid mentality. What if my 2nd MISTI had a problem & I needed to return it(?). I don't want to deal with someone like that. I feel sorry for her really.
I love what you said:
"We as a community of stampers both as consumers and businesses need to be supportive & encouraging all types of ways we all stamp and how we use our tools. This kind of thing encourages innovation, freshness and longevity for our beloved hobby."
This sums up exactly how I feel. Thank you
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Post by Embri on Feb 12, 2019 20:07:44 GMT
I used to post alot on SCS but haven't been on there very much in the past couple of years & have felt that discussions seem to get over-moderated so it has become a bit stifling & even cliquey at times. It's like you can't have an animated discussion about something - and I don't mean being catty or rude - just healthy discussion with people feeling free to share their points of view & not get shut down or get their posts deleted. And the boards are quieter which is a shame as it used to be so busy.
Welcome to the land of sane, reasonable crafters! This was my experience as well, and it left an unpleasant aftertaste, let me tell you. Any kind of discussion beyond mindless head-nodding was shocking and got 'oh my goodness' reactions. You don't have the same "opinion" as the majority? Good luck interacting in any meaningful way on SCS. In business, reputation is everything. It can take years to build a fantastic reputation but 5 minutes to tear it down. Success isn't just about what you accomplish in your life; it's about what you inspire others to do. And we are what we repeatedly do. I have replaced my MISTI with the Stamparatus & would never get another MISTI because of her seemingly rabid mentality. What if my 2nd MISTI had a problem & I needed to return it(?). I don't want to deal with someone like that. I feel sorry for her really.
Couldn't have said it better myself. It doesn't take long for a bad rep to get around in a niche community, not in today's connected world of instant information access. However, I don't feel sorry for her at all. She made her bed, now she gets to lie in it; reap what you sow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 7:06:47 GMT
josie29 I am trying to remember you from days of yore over at SCS. I feel so bad. I usually good at remembering all the regulars. A bunch of us from SCS are over here too. I can't post there any more because it makes my anxiety worse. I am not making light of that. The site actually gives me anxiety attacks. It was really hard to leave because I am so close to some of the girls over there. I felt like I was being attacked and judged a lot for being myself and happy go lucky. Ironically it was the kindness club crowd that was doing it. Life is to short for toxic "kindness". I love it over here because all of us care about each other even if we disagree. We don't turn our back on members or treat them like they have the plague because we don't agree with their viewpoints. We encourage other viewpoints so we can get different perspectives. We can even admit we are wrong too.
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Post by josie29 on Feb 15, 2019 3:56:39 GMT
Hey, I don't expect you to remember me. I'm so sorry about your anxiety. I personally know how difficult it is to live with & how you need to avoid triggers and it can be really hard for others to understand. I have been a bit of a lurker on here for a while & getting a feel for the place & I love how open the discussion is and it's real & supportive. I am also very sorry that you had such a bad experience over at SCS ((hugs))
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Post by camcas on Mar 18, 2019 9:26:07 GMT
I could always send across a few contraband SU platforms if they are discontinued. None of MSP's crap applies in New Zealand. I agree- so glad it doesn’t apply in Australia either!
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 18, 2019 16:29:21 GMT
FWIW, I am pretty sure the SU stamp platforms are still being sold in the U.S., in spite of the lawsuit.
I bought mine not that long ago from a local SU rep. I would hate to have to pay overseas shipping to get one. If you think you'll want it and can afford it, you probably should go ahead and buy it, just in case. At least that was my rationale.
If you want to make several of the same layered stamped card at one time, it is really nice to have.
I use my TH platform most of the time, but having the SU platform, with extra plates, does make the layered stamping easier for mass production of cards.
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Post by cupcake0061 on Mar 20, 2019 23:13:32 GMT
I'm new to card making and was looking for a stamping tool. I bought TH and love it a bit heavy tho. So I looked into a misti. My word how expensive for a but of plastic so went to etsy and bought a stamp perfect only to have someone say I'm using a stolen patent. So I did alot of research and how can MSP have a patent for somthing that they didn't invent? Should I keep using my stamp perfect. I quite like it and it was half the cost and that's it coming from England.
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 21, 2019 13:56:50 GMT
I'm new to card making and was looking for a stamping tool. I bought TH and love it a bit heavy tho. So I looked into a misti. My word how expensive for a but of plastic so went to etsy and bought a stamp perfect only to have someone say I'm using a stolen patent. So I did alot of research and how can MSP have a patent for somthing that they didn't invent? Should I keep using my stamp perfect. I quite like it and it was half the cost and that's it coming from England. I think you are the only one who can decide that. The Stamp Perfect did appear to be a copy of the MISTI, which is why it is no longer sold in the US, but it sounds like you did not know that when you bought it. I suspect that the people criticizing you are MISTI fans or MSP supporters. I see the MISTI as an unauthorized "derivative work" of a letterpress, for which the patent was improperly approved. Now MSP is suing everyone else who has done the same thing, including those who made very innovative changes. I won't be criticizing you for using your Stamp Perfect, but then, it's human nature to ignore laws that are either stupid or unjust. I obviously think the MISTI patent falls into that category.
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Post by riversong1963 on Mar 21, 2019 13:58:41 GMT
I'm new to card making and was looking for a stamping tool. I bought TH and love it a bit heavy tho. So I looked into a misti. My word how expensive for a but of plastic so went to etsy and bought a stamp perfect only to have someone say I'm using a stolen patent. So I did alot of research and how can MSP have a patent for somthing that they didn't invent? Should I keep using my stamp perfect. I quite like it and it was half the cost and that's it coming from England. I have 2 Stamp Perfects, the small one and the large one. I use those more than any other positioner. You paid for it honestly, and she didn't invent the concept. Enjoy what you bought without any guilt. That's my two cents' worth, anyway. Have fun!
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Post by cbet on Mar 21, 2019 18:41:08 GMT
Also, the MISTI patent only applies in the US. You didn't buy from a seller in the US.
But I can tell you, the MISTI woman and her fans are quite vocal about what she "invented".
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Post by josie29 on Apr 15, 2019 12:35:55 GMT
Just read this on the Craft Industry Alliance News Round-up for the Scrapbooking industry - see THIS link - but will cut & paste the bottom section down below re MSP suing SU as it gives a little more info on the whole saga: My Sweet Petunia Sues Over MISTI Patents Again
My Sweet Petunia wasn’t done with patent litigation after settling their patent infringement lawsuit against Tonic Studios over the Tim Holtz stamp platform last summer. In October 2018, the company sued Stampin’ Up! alleging that their Stamparatus tool also violated the patent on My Sweet Petunia’s MISTI tool.
Stampin’ Up! has filed counter-claims against My Sweet Petunia challenging, among other things, the validity of My Sweet Petunia’s patents. The company is citing the L Letterpress Tool from Lifestyle Crafts and the Cathie Allan Position-It tool as examples of similar products that pre-date the MISTI. In addition, Stampin’ Up! are citing a patent granted in 2013 to Lifestyle Crafts as prior art. Given the complexity of patent litigation, this suit is likely to be ongoing for months (if not years), barring a settlement.
I would so LOVE to see the MSP's patent taken away given the evidence above.
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Post by scrapnnana on Apr 15, 2019 16:08:49 GMT
Just read this on the Craft Industry Alliance News Round-up for the Scrapbooking industry - see THIS link - but will cut & paste the bottom section down below re MSP suing SU as it gives a little more info on the whole saga: My Sweet Petunia Sues Over MISTI Patents Again
My Sweet Petunia wasn’t done with patent litigation after settling their patent infringement lawsuit against Tonic Studios over the Tim Holtz stamp platform last summer. In October 2018, the company sued Stampin’ Up! alleging that their Stamparatus tool also violated the patent on My Sweet Petunia’s MISTI tool.
Stampin’ Up! has filed counter-claims against My Sweet Petunia challenging, among other things, the validity of My Sweet Petunia’s patents. The company is citing the L Letterpress Tool from Lifestyle Crafts and the Cathie Allan Position-It tool as examples of similar products that pre-date the MISTI. In addition, Stampin’ Up! are citing a patent granted in 2013 to Lifestyle Crafts as prior art. Given the complexity of patent litigation, this suit is likely to be ongoing for months (if not years), barring a settlement.
I would so LOVE to see the MSP's patent taken away given the evidence above. Thanks for posting this.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Apr 15, 2019 16:38:23 GMT
Stampin’ Up! has filed counter-claims against My Sweet Petunia challenging, among other things, the validity of My Sweet Petunia’s patents. The company is citing the L Letterpress Tool from Lifestyle Crafts and the Cathie Allan Position-It tool as examples of similar products that pre-date the MISTI. In addition, Stampin’ Up! are citing a patent granted in 2013 to Lifestyle Crafts as prior art. Given the complexity of patent litigation, this suit is likely to be ongoing for months (if not years), barring a settlement. Thanks for the update! Glad to see SU picking up the fight and challenging the patents. It's what everyone's been wondering: how did Bitter Petunia get the "tech" patented? I wonder what Tonic Studios are thinking now. They not only settled but decided to partner up with MSP. Doesn't look like it was the best deal (although I understand an ongoing lawsuit is super costy, especially in the USA).
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 15, 2019 17:58:28 GMT
Just read this on the Craft Industry Alliance News Round-up for the Scrapbooking industry - see THIS link - but will cut & paste the bottom section down below re MSP suing SU as it gives a little more info on the whole saga: My Sweet Petunia Sues Over MISTI Patents Again
My Sweet Petunia wasn’t done with patent litigation after settling their patent infringement lawsuit against Tonic Studios over the Tim Holtz stamp platform last summer. In October 2018, the company sued Stampin’ Up! alleging that their Stamparatus tool also violated the patent on My Sweet Petunia’s MISTI tool.
Stampin’ Up! has filed counter-claims against My Sweet Petunia challenging, among other things, the validity of My Sweet Petunia’s patents. The company is citing the L Letterpress Tool from Lifestyle Crafts and the Cathie Allan Position-It tool as examples of similar products that pre-date the MISTI. In addition, Stampin’ Up! are citing a patent granted in 2013 to Lifestyle Crafts as prior art. Given the complexity of patent litigation, this suit is likely to be ongoing for months (if not years), barring a settlement.
I would so LOVE to see the MSP's patent taken away given the evidence above. It's about time one of these companies pushed back with those examples. They have been discussed here several times as examples that pre-dated the MISTI! Wooohooo, go SU!!
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