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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2024 14:30:36 GMT
Trump will also allow an abortion ban to go into effect. He’s said there should be punishment for women who have abortions. Well damn... back to square one. it's a no win situation. To be clear, there is no major Republican candidate who would admit to being pro-choice. It’s part of their party’s purity test to keep the evangelicals and conservative Catholics voting for them.
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2024 14:12:04 GMT
I haven't researched her stance so going off what you guys have posted. Her abortion views would SADLY make me vote for Dump if those were my only two options (in fact I would choose to think about not voting if those were the choices). I can't even imagine these poor women having to go back to the 1950s or whenever to get an illegal abortion. I can't deal with that kind of inhumane stuff. I'm not all about getting abortions nilly willy but there needs to be options. And the slavery? Really? But in any case, my vote is with Biden... aggg.. not what I would really want but... Trump will also allow an abortion ban to go into effect. He’s said there should be punishment for women who have abortions.
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2024 13:30:44 GMT
Any chance this case be brought to the US Supreme Court? With the ruling quoting the bible, I was shocked, I thought they were supposed to keep religion out of it? They’re very clear about the fact that they want to make the US a theocracy - the constitution notwithstanding.
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2024 12:01:17 GMT
Sweet boy. Happy birthday!!
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2024 11:52:58 GMT
This is a bit off topic, but my eyebrows went up when I read it. From this morning’s NYT: “ Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. on Tuesday renewed his criticisms of the Supreme Court’s landmark decision recognizing the right to same-sex marriage, saying that people who oppose homosexuality risk being unfairly “labeled as bigots and treated as such.” The justice included his warning in a five-page statement explaining why the court had rejected a request to hear a Missouri case about people removed from a jury after voicing religious objections to gay relationships. The case, Justice Alito wrote, “exemplifies the danger” from the court’s 2015 decision, Obergefell v. Hodges. The ruling, he added, shows how “Americans who do not hide their adherence to traditional religious beliefs about homosexual conduct will be ‘labeled as bigots and treated as such’ by the government.” The statement appeared to offer a glimpse into Justice Alito’s continued discontent with Obergefell v. Hodges, in which the court, by a 5-to-4 vote, guaranteed a right to same-sex marriage, a long-sought victory in the gay rights movement. “ In the years since, Justice Alito and Justice Clarence Thomas, who both dissented from the 2015 decision, have appeared to urge the court to reconsider the ruling. The court, they have contended, invented a right not based in the text of the Constitution and said it had cast “people of good will as bigots.”“People of good will.” Let that sink in. Religion trumps all with these people. If you think that they don’t mean to re-open Obergefell, then you are living under a rock. I suppose he’d say the same about civil rights legislation that casts some people as bigots and racists. Is it now the role of the court to withhold rights from some to protect the reputation of others? Alito sounds like he’s too old and unhinged for this job.
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2024 11:48:29 GMT
The idea that Trumpers are being “silenced” when we hear from him and them all day, every day, in the media and on social media, is simply ludicrous.
No one is silencing you, Gia. You’re not a victim. You’re not giving some voice to the voiceless here. You’re just a person who continually comes to this board to try to stick it to the libs because … I don’t know, you get your jollies that way?
As you’ve pointed out, even the NYT has jumped on the “Biden is too old” bandwagon. You’re not raising some hidden point that no one is talking about. You’re not starting some important “conversation.”
There are any number of forums where you can post where people only support Trump and criticize Biden. The comments sections of any major newspaper, big sections of Twitter, Trump Social, Reddit, 4chan … why you feel the need to hammer the peas with your nonsense is beyond me.
You have the right to be here, of course. What you don’t have is the right to post in a vacuum or to limit who can post on threads you start. Complaining that there are too many liberal opinions on your posts when the vast majority of the peas who like to discuss politics are liberal is not rational. You seem to expect some kind of affirmative action here for Trump friendly views, but no one is obligated to provide that for you. We’re also not obligated to make way for views that many of us feel pose an existential threat to ourselves and our loved ones.
We’re all aware that there are people like you who disagree with us. Many of us live in red states and we tolerate hearing their opinions just fine every day. It seems you are the one who just can’t tolerate hearing our opinions. We outnumber you here and you just can’t stand that. I don’t know what to tell you except that there are any number of forums where you can be in the majority.
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2024 11:25:41 GMT
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2024 11:24:22 GMT
She’s fine with a nationwide abortion ban. That’s a no from me. I thought you were pro-choice?
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2024 0:55:39 GMT
And yet...... 74 million of your fellow countrymen still voted for him in the last election. We’re as confused as you are, believe me.
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2024 0:53:34 GMT
The only kids we need to worry about are the ones being raised by hateful, vile, anti (fill in the blank) "adults". The ones being bombarded with hateful messages by MAGA idiots, their parents, social media influencer, etc. Even with proper laws in place and proper supportive measures, kids who are not white, straight, Christian will continue to be harmed and killed. This nation needs a whole lot of healing and it starts at home with how the adults talk. And frankly how our elected leaders talk. When our leaders accuse teachers of “grooming” and sexualizing kids if they mention trans individuals, it sends a strong message that trans kids are dangerous and must be eliminated. Kids hear this message from some elected leaders and even from the pulpit, in addition to from their parents. And this is what happens.
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2024 20:38:04 GMT
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2024 20:26:57 GMT
A court of law says it's fraud so it doesn't matter what you "think" you aren't the judge. It IS fraud and you ARE defending it. Take Trump out of it and look at it logically... Your neighbor is accused of running over someone and leaving the scene and the so called victim says no, they were not even hit, but the judge says that your neighbor is guilty anyway. You are discussing how you think that your neighbor is not guilty. Do you think that means that you are defending hit and run? Because that's exactly what you are claiming of me. That’s not logical. What you’re missing from your analogy is that the driver actually did hit the victim. The victim is saying it’s no big deal, perhaps because he’s afraid of retaliation from the driver. But the hit and run still happened under our laws.
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2024 20:01:21 GMT
As usual, Lizacreates is much classier and more succinct than me. No worries - I'll own my rant up there. But someday I hope to be as smooth as Lizacreates about it all. Lifegoals. I would have been ranting, too, were it not for the fact I was laughing so hard. Lol. I was eyerolling at the “dishonest” part, but it was the “policy disagreement” claim that almost caused me to fall off my chair. At present, Republicans are tripping over each other trying to impeach Biden, Mayorkas, Garland, Austin, and for all I know the guy who mops the House floor. Not because any of these people committed high crimes and misdemeanors, but because the GOP is against Dem policies and can’t gain traction on their unpopular agenda. Yet, WE are the ones who cannot handle policy disagreements. Go figure that one out. And fraud…more lol…it’s freakin’ fraud by any legal standard! 90% of Engoron’s 92-page ruling detailed every single instance of massive fraud. It’s not like the judge pulled all this out of his backside. I know because I read the whole thing. Trump was even lucky this wasn’t prosecuted in criminal court. He’s lucky because the tax fraud against Trump Org from last year was a separate case. If the whole shebang—bank fraud, insurance fraud, tax fraud—had been combined, that’s bloody enterprise corruption with prison time and asset forfeiture. And to stand up for Trump who, in all his adult life, hasn’t seen a law he didn’t want to violate, and DID violate a goodly number? I was in district court for years, and I swear to everybody I never came across anyone who had this many felony charges against him. Not even close. There’s no desire here to even pause and assess the character of the person she’s defending continuously, passionately and unconditionally. This board has the distinction of having a resident MAGA-adherent-cum-doctor-cum-lawyer. And from very recent posts, looks like cum-judge as well. I’m telling y’all...it’s a Monty Python farce. I do appreciate your perspective. I tend to see all this from a more emotional perspective and it’s nice to have an attorney experienced with these issues to weigh in. The fact that people who clearly are not experienced attorneys are willing to argue points of law with you on this just boggles the mind.
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2024 18:27:57 GMT
I guess it sucks when rewriting what I ACTUALLY said and tacking on something I NEVER said doesn't work for you, huh smear merchant. 🤔 Whatever you say, Gia. Keep digging that hole.
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2024 18:26:19 GMT
The whole thing is a huge Pandora’s box. As I’ve stated again and again, when a government is allowed to force you to go through with a pregnancy you don’t want, people shouldn’t be surprised when that same government doesn’t allow you to pursue a pregnancy you DO want. Exactly. This isn’t unintended consequences, the ruling is a logical progression. For the people who initiated these laws, yes, it’s intended. For the people who were duped into thinking Democrats just want to kill babies, this probably wasn’t the intended outcome. But now, thanks to them, we’re all going to have to live with the consequences.
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2024 18:18:43 GMT
Uh huh. Go back to where you were accusing all the Republicans opposed to Trump of being manipulated by the media. I know you’re a literalist, but the *implication* there is that you think the media - other than right wing - can’t be trusted. And yet here you are happy to use it when you think it proves your point. Has it occurred to you that perhaps these are the manipulative articles, and not the ones opposed to Trump? No. *I* KNOW what *I* said. YOU need to go back and look for yourself. I have never said I "don't believe anything the mainstream media says." Never. I also never said "They’re only manipulating people." You can't rewrite what I actually said, add onto it, and then try to attribute it to me. OK, Gia. 🙄
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2024 17:39:49 GMT
Uh huh. Go back to where you were accusing all the Republicans opposed to Trump of being manipulated by the media. I know you’re a literalist, but the *implication* there is that you think the media - other than right wing - can’t be trusted.
And yet here you are happy to use it when you think it proves your point. Has it occurred to you that perhaps these are the manipulative articles, and not the ones opposed to Trump?
I’m still curious what you think Trump’s good qualities are, and which policies of his you support.
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2024 17:25:17 GMT
From the NY Times: A.G. Salzburger He is a historically unpopular incumbent and the oldest man to ever hold this office. We've reported on both of those realities extensively, and the Whitehouse has been extremely upset about it. I thought you didn’t believe anything the mainstream media says. They’re only manipulating people, you said.
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2024 17:24:00 GMT
Moron or no, I’m more concerned about the actual fascism he wants to unleash. It’s sad that his supporters can’t see that hyper-nationalist, nativist crap for what it is.
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2024 17:22:13 GMT
What's getting ridiculous is the repeated back and forth between a mentally unstable pea and peas with a brain who can't stop themselves from responding. FFS stop engaging! The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over and over expecting a different result. Yeah yeah. Sometimes people get bored.
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2024 15:35:18 GMT
Umm... yep. That is exactly what happened. 🤡🤡🤡 At the very least, we’ve gotten you to show your unwavering loyalty to dear leader so there’s no doubt. But hon, he’s never going to love you back. Why don’t you share some of the things you like about what Trump did in the past and what he says he will do next? You should probably leave out the fraud.
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2024 15:34:04 GMT
Fuckers all of them. My only hope (that I'm clinging to) is a blue wave in November, and that they FINALLY turn Roe V Wade into law already. DH and I have a college friend who has three daughters and is 100% for an abortion ban. I said, you have three daughters! What if something happens and they need help? He just thinks it will never be HIS daughters and they "deserve and will get" healthy children. Seriously, WTF. I have one daughter who doesn't want children, and I'm so rabid about about making the world right for her and every woman in the future who needs/wants/whatever an abortion. Yes, they never think it will happen to them. It only happens to “bad” women who “deserve” it.
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2024 14:29:43 GMT
That’s not how Texans want their tax dollars to be used. Such a waste.
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2024 14:28:40 GMT
wapo.st/49CQf1WNow I'm going to bet that lots of women in Alabama and any place that ends up ruling similarly rise up and say, "But we didn't mean THOSE kinds of embryos." Obviously they only meant the embryos of women who want to end a pregnancy, not those who are trying to create one and end up discarding dozens of embryos afterward. But this is the completely foreseeable consequence of extending full human rights to an embryo. Now you can't do IVF without risking prosecution. And you've opened the door to banning all the forms of birth control that can cause an embryo not to implant - pills, implants, IUDs, shots, and nuvaring. Really anything other than good old condoms and diaphragms. Is this what GOP voters intended? Can you do IVF and then give away your extra embryos legally? I ask because I know someone who did this, several years ago. So her child has biological siblings about 20 years younger than they are raised by non biological parents. You can - I believe we had a pea here a while back who used adopted embryos for IVF - but some people, understandably, don’t want their genetic embryos being gestated and birthed by people they don’t know. And most people who do IVF use their own egg and sperm if possible.
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2024 14:26:13 GMT
But it's just a policy disagreement! What's the big deal?!? It doesn't look like internment camps are the words of Trump. Looks like another instance of the time Obama built "migrant holding facilities" that SUDDENLY, MAGICALLY became "cages" when Trump took office. More bullshit. Umm … no.
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2024 13:48:23 GMT
Meanwhile, the house is on a 2-week break despite its failure to pass a funding bill for the border, and this is what the speaker and Republican front-runner are up to. x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1759757896999383370?s=20So is the border a crisis, or can it wait until Mike has finished kissing up to his dear leader? (Actually, border funding is being withheld at the request of dear leader, who prefers to campaign on it.)
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2024 13:45:56 GMT
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2024 13:32:40 GMT
The internment camps are a shameful part of our history and the fact that Trump is talking about them for undocumented immigrants is absolutely horrific. heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/february-19-2024Today is the anniversary of the day in 1942, during World War II, that President Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066 enabling military authorities to designate military areas from which “any or all persons may be excluded.” That order also permitted the secretary of war to provide transportation, food, and shelter “to accomplish the purpose of this order.” Four days later a Japanese submarine off the coast of Santa Barbara, California, shelled the Ellwood Oil Field, and the Office of Naval Intelligence warned that the Japanese would attack California in the next ten hours. On February 25 a meteorological balloon near Los Angeles set off a panic, and troops fired 1,400 rounds of antiaircraft ammunition at supposed Japanese attackers. On March 2, 1942, General John DeWitt put Executive Order 9066 into effect. He signed Public Proclamation No. 1, dividing the country into military zones and, “as a matter of military necessity,” excluding from certain of those zones “ ny Japanese, German, or Italian alien, or any person of Japanese Ancestry.” Under DeWitt’s orders, about 125,000 children, women, and men of Japanese ancestry were forced out of their homes and imprisoned in camps around the country. Two thirds of those incarcerated were U.S. citizens.
DeWitt’s order did not come from nowhere. After almost a century of shaping laws to discriminate against Asian newcomers, West Coast inhabitants and lawmakers were primed to see their Japanese and Japanese-American neighbors as dangerous.
Those laws reached back to the 1849 arrival of Chinese miners in California and reached forward into the twentieth century. Indeed, on another February 19—that of 1923—the Supreme Court decided the case of United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind. It said that Thind, an Indian Sikh man who identified himself as Indo-European, could not become a U.S. citizen. Thind claimed the right to United States citizenship under the terms of the Naturalization Act of 1906, which had put the federal government instead of states in charge of who got to be a citizen and had very specific requirements for citizenship that he believed he had met.
But, the court said, Thind was not a “white person” under U.S. law, and only “free white persons” could become citizens.
What were they talking about? In the Thind decision, the Supreme Court reached back to the case of Japan-born Takao Ozawa, decided a year before, in 1922. In that case, the Supreme Court ruled that Ozawa could not become a citizen under the 1906 Naturalization Act because that law had not overridden the 1790 naturalization law limiting citizenship to “free white persons.” The court decided that “white person” meant “persons of the Caucasian Race.” “A Japanese, born in Japan, being clearly not a Caucasian, cannot be made a citizen of the United States,” it said.
As the 1922 case indicated, Asian Americans could not rely on the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, ratified in 1868, to permit them to become citizens, because a law from 1790 knocked a hole in that amendment. The Fourteenth Amendment provided that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.” But as soon as that amendment went into effect, the new states and territories of the West reached back to the 1790 naturalization law to exclude Asian immigrants from citizenship on the basis of the argument that they were not “free, white persons.”
That 1790 restriction, based in early lawmakers’ determination to guarantee that enslaved Africans could not claim citizenship, enabled lawmakers after the Civil War to exclude Asian immigrants from citizenship.
From that exclusion grew laws discriminating against Chinese immigrants, including the 1882 Chinese Exclusion Act that prohibited Chinese workers from migrating to the United States. Then, when Chinese immigration slowed and Japanese immigration took its place, the U.S. backed the so-called Gentlemen’s Agreement of 1907 under which Japanese officials promised to stop emigration to the United States. The United States, in turn, promised not to restrict the rights of Japanese immigrants already in the United States, although laws prohibiting “aliens” from owning land meant Japanese settlers either lost their land or had to put it in the names of their American-born children, who were citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment.
After the 1923 Thind decision, the United States stripped the citizenship of about 50 South Asian Americans who had already become American citizens. One of them was Vaishno Das Bagai, an immigrant from what is now Pakistan who came from wealth and who settled in San Francisco in 1915 with his wife and three sons to start a business. Less than three weeks after arriving in the United States, Bagai began the process of naturalization. He became a citizen in 1920.
The Thind decision took that citizenship away from Bagai, making him fall under California’s alien land laws that said he could not own land. He lost his home and his business. In 1928, explicitly telling the San Francisco Examiner that he was taking his life in protest of racial discrimination, Bagai committed suicide. His widow, Kala Bagai, became a community activist.
World War II changed U.S. calculations of who could be a citizen as global alliances shifted and Americans of all backgrounds turned out to save democracy. From Japanese-American concentration camps, young men joined the army to fight for the nation. In 1943 the War Department authorized the formation of Japanese-American combat units. One of those units, the 442d Regimental Combat Team, became the most decorated unit for its size in U.S. military history. Their motto was “Go for Broke.”
Congress overturned the Chinese exclusion laws in 1943 and, in 1946, made natives of India eligible for U.S. citizenship. The last Japanese internment camp closed in March 1946, and Japanese immigrants gained the right to become U.S. citizens in 1952.
In 1976, President Gerald R. Ford officially repealed Executive Order 9066 and noted that it was a “setback to fundamental American principles.” “We now know what we should have known then,” he said. “[N]ot only was that evacuation wrong, but Japanese Americans were and are loyal Americans…. I call upon the American people to affirm with me this American Promise—that we have learned from the tragedy of that long-ago experience forever to treasure liberty and justice for each individual American, and resolve that this kind of action shall never again be repeated.”
But now so-called “internment camps” are back in the news.
Trump has promised his supporters that in a second term he would launch “the largest domestic deportation operation in American history.” To deport as many as ten million of what he called “foreign national invaders,” Trump advisor Stephen Miller explained on a November podcast, the administration would federalize National Guard troops from Republican-dominated states and send them around the country to round people up, moving them to “large-scale staging grounds near the border, most likely in Texas,” that would serve as internment camps.But it's just a policy disagreement! What's the big deal?!?
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2024 1:35:52 GMT
The church has been against forms of birth control that can prevent an embryo from implanting and also ivf for these reasons for as long as I can remember so it’s not a stretch at all that they would try and extend the ban. There was someone running in AZ that were trying to limit birth control and I think he was including condoms even. I think he was trying to get a bill passed to this effect. Yep. I was raised in a Catholic family opposed to all forms of artificial contraception, but especially methods that might cause an embryo not to implant. I really couldn't have imagined that this viewpoint would become more widespread, and not less. It at least never occurred to my family to want to outlaw contraception for others - only their children were expected to follow those beliefs. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Q_m8lDOvc_3Le3r1GKdf.jpg)
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2024 1:26:17 GMT
You are a monster, Gia. Your cult has made you a monster. I will never forgive you and your people for what you are doing to this country, and I hope that history deals with you the way most of us have dealt with Nazis and fascists of all stripes. All of us, that is, except for the party you worship. They love the Nazis and fascists! They're very fine people and very special, and Trump loves them very much, especially when they're committing violence on his behalf. All that stuff you mentioned about cities up there is a dog whistle for "urban" people that we often hear from white nationalist groups. I live in one of the large cities you mention - a big, blue sanctuary city not far from the border. Those people you're talking about are my neighbors. Your party wants to further defund and then destroy our public schools, the ones most of us depend on to help lift people out of poverty. Your policies cause greater poverty and you’re “surprised” when people turn to crime. The bullshit your people make up about what is going on in our cities is based on nothing but fantasies, just like the bullshit you make up about what's going on at the border. You all sit in your non-border states and your suburbs/rural areas and make city people out to be monsters, when you are in fact the monsters. It's just stupid that you think that Trump's own people have been "manipulated" against him when they're speaking from their own personal experience working with him. Seriously, how dumb do you have to be to think that? Absolute willful stupidity. You say you don't like Trump, either, but you also don't believe any negative thing anyone says about him. Hypocrite. Eat shit, Gia. You're a huge failure as a human being. It should physically hurt to be as stupid and cruel as you are. You and Marge and Bobo - quite a trio of the stupidest people ever to open their mouths. You can't refute anything I said above. All you can do is try to turn it around with your ignorance and shout, I know you are, but what am I? like an eight year old on the playground. So incredibly stupid. I know. 🙄 You've called me that before. Another time you were MENTALLY UNABLE TO CONVERSE WITHOUT VICIOUSLY SMEARING anyone who disagrees with you, backs it up and stands up to people like you, who will not allow any other facts or opinions other than yours, WITHOUT SMEARING THEM.
That is someone you seem to think you have sufficiently smeared and you are applying it to me as nothing more than a smear tactic' "like an eight year old on the playground." My name is morecowbell. If you call me anything else, it is for no other reason than the simple point of smearing. Every time you call me anything but morecowbell you continue to show JUST HOW MUCH YOU ARE MENTALLY UNABLE TO HANDLE DISAGREEMENT.
"dog whistle" is a smear tactic you and your party likes to employ. Nothing more, nothing less. KEEP SHOWING JUST HOW MUCH YOU ARE MENTALLY UNABLE TO DEAL WITH DISAGREEMENT.Oh, the irony. You have no self awareness. Yeah, yeah. Don't care what you think.
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