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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 19:05:36 GMT
I thought you weren’t able to read his mind about his plans. This doesn’t at all agree with what he’s said on the subject numerous times, so you must have some extra information we don’t have.I've heard him say it recently...I wouldn't be narcissistic enough to think I could read his mind about his plans. Weird, because you sure seemed to think you knew what he intended for healthcare despite having no evidence to back up your beliefs. “Mass deportations,” a phrase he’s used countless times, does not imply limited removal of violent criminals. Why don’t you believe him when he says what he’s going to do? Indeed, I think you know that he plans to try to deport them all, or you wouldn’t be so hung up on how many of them there are. Trump has also recently said that there is no limit to what he will spend on deportations. No limit! Does that seem fiscally responsible to you? |
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 18:56:10 GMT
Nope. All still wrong. Read the first article I linked. The 20m number you cite was first spouted by Marco Rubio, whose office was able to provide no source for that number (i.e., he made it up). The groups that actually study these things keep the number around 11m. The other two links are from groups that actually study immigration. Understand that many immigrants cross through unauthorized areas because that's where their coyote takes them. They then present themselves to the agents (as in Eagle Pass) and are taken to be processed and start an asylum case if that's what they want. Greg Abbott has indeed shipped immigrants all over the country at great expense to Texas taxpayers. Take that up with him. You seem impervious to actually learning anything, though. How do you think a president is doing his duty to the people of the USA when he lets our industries go without the workers they need, reducing their contributions to our economy? Why are you so against America first and deporting the criminals murderers and rapists? Why do you ask loaded questions when you’ve been shown to be wrong about something? |
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 18:54:22 GMT
This is a Mexican-American who voted for Trump. His reasoning makes no sense! His family is undocumented, but because his family has been here 20 years, that makes them better than newer undocumented families??? In the end, his family will still be deported if Trump has his way! The disconnect is real. “Seeing my undocumented family members, who have been in the U.S. for more than 20 years, work, pay taxes and buy their own homes with zero benefits, then watching millions of new migrants skip the line with government-funded help, only inflamed me and other Latinos like me. When my mother came to America as a single mother of two, she did not get any benefits. This election became personal. It was about my family!” www.yahoo.com/news/commentary-am-mexican-american-voted-131500521.htmlTrump will be focusing on the criminals, murderers and rapists, cartels, child traffickers and drug dealers. I'm pretty sure that someone that has been here for 20 years and working and paying taxes will be very, very low on the list. I thought you weren’t able to read his mind about his plans. This doesn’t at all agree with what he’s said on the subject numerous times, so you must have some extra information we don’t have. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 18:53:05 GMT
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 16:58:04 GMT
Nothing that you just posted is true. 1. YOU said initially that there were 20 million criminal illegal aliens let in by Biden alone. When I pointed out to you that there aren't even 20 million illegal immigrants of any kind in the US, you claimed you were "over-exaggerating." 2. Applying for asylum is going through the proper channels. Yet those are the people you and Trump want to turn away or deport. For unskilled workers who don't qualify for asylum, there is no reasonable proper channel for most of them to come here despite the fact that we dangle the carrot of jobs that need to be filled. Would you support an expanded guest worker program? Keep in mind that (a) we need the workers and (b) as many are leaving grinding poverty, in order to get the workers productive, we will have to help them get on their feet. That may include things like a decent pair of shoes or some money to buy food and necessities. I guarantee you no one is making the long, dangerous journey north just for the promise of Nikes and a gift card. 3. There are still not 20 million undocumented immigrants here. The closer estimate is 11 million. Which precludes any possibility of 10 million arriving during the Biden administration. We've been over this already and I'm sure we'd all appreciate it if you'd stop telling lies. www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2024/06/12/politifact-how-many-undocumented-immigrants-live-in-the-u-s/74047477007/www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-population/state/USThe border is no more porous now than it was before. Believe it or not, the numbers of immigrants that show up here increase in relation to worsening conditions in their own countries, not because of who is president. Most would rather not leave their homes and families and move to a country that is hostile to them. When numbers increase, it's because things are bad in central and south America. Kamala Harris helped reduce the flow of immigrants here by partnering with private companies (not using tax dollars) to increase opportunity in Venezuela and other hot spots. That's the most rational and effective way to stem undocumented immigration. There are 20 million illegals in the country now. That is a fact. I corrected myself and said 10 million were let in by biden. Ten million were let in by biden. That is a fact.
I never said that people that are going through proper channels should be deported. The people that should be deported are the criminals, rapists and murderers. And the ones that bypassed the LEGAL way to get into the country. If you want to seek asylum, come in through the port of entry and do the paperwork LEGALLY. I'm not sure why that is a sticking point for you.
The border is/was more porous now because the biden administration let 10+ million people in and a great number of them not through proper channels or port of entry and they have been shipped all over the country to sanctuary cities and beyond because the border states were sick of the influx. I'm not sure where you don't see that as well.
kamala nor biden did absolutely anything to staunch the flow of illegals until the beginning of fall and then only because it was tanking her campaign. Regardless of what is happening in other countries, the United States owes the United States citizens all of the benefits, social programs and help before any foreigners. America first. Nope. All still wrong. Read the first article I linked. The 20m number you cite was first spouted by Marco Rubio, whose office was able to provide no source for that number (i.e., he made it up). The groups that actually study these things keep the number around 11m. The other two links are from groups that actually study immigration. Understand that many immigrants cross through unauthorized areas because that's where their coyote takes them. They then present themselves to the agents (as in Eagle Pass) and are taken to be processed and start an asylum case if that's what they want. Greg Abbott has indeed shipped immigrants all over the country at great expense to Texas taxpayers. Take that up with him. You seem impervious to actually learning anything, though. How do you think a president is doing his duty to the people of the USA when he lets our industries go without the workers they need, reducing their contributions to our economy? |
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 14:59:32 GMT
Of interest to me is that, when Obama tried to use recess appointments to make an end-run around Republican obstruction of his nominees, SCOTUS struck those down. Said he couldn't do it. rollcall.com/2014/06/26/supreme-court-strikes-down-obamas-recess-appointments/Several current SCOTUS members were on that court. One wonders if they'll shut Trump down the same way. But probably not. Also a funny comment I saw in relation to these appointments: "That's not a cabinet. It's a junk drawer!"  |
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 14:50:27 GMT
This may be your opinion (about the ‘free for all’) but there are other opinions also. There are a lot more people and families trying to get in because there are a lot more people in the rest of the world who are starving and dying and trying to save their families…not any conspiracy theory about Biden. Any undocumented worker I know of is not getting free things from our government. They are trying to fly under the radar and are working at your family farm, who would be failing faster than they are because they can not get help. It is a very hard and rigorous job and most American’s don’t seem to think that it is worth doing for what a small business can pay. I believe that those people/families that are getting any assistance wouldn’t be undocumented because it would mean they went through the process of asking for asylum, which means they are not truly undocumented. Why would we not try to help these people become part of the actual economy of our country filling positions that can’t be filled. Republicans consider asylum seekers among the undocumented, of course. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 14:45:27 GMT
The thought of alllll this makes me sick. These are human beings who are mostly here to make a better life for themselves. There are not 20 million criminals here like the right likes to rant about. I really wish that instead of putting billions of dollars into getting rid of immigrants we could put that time and effort into making it easier for those who truly want to come here and work for a better life to be able to do that. Because that is the majority of people who come here. They aren't coming because they heard that you can get free Nike's and food gift cards. I know someone who works with immigrants, some here illegally, and she said they do everything they can to lay low. They surely don't vote or get free healthcare or anything else. I hate so many people right now. nobody said that I really wish that instead of putting billions of dollars into getting rid of immigrants we could put that time and effort into making it easier for those who truly want to come here and work for a better life to be able to do that.the majority of people are fine with this...IF they come through the proper ports of entry and go through the proper channels to be here legally They aren't coming because they heard that you can get free Nike's and food gift cards.oh yes they were...it was a complete free-for-all these last 3.5 years if you consider that there are currently about 20 million undocumented illegals in the US up to now, and 10+ million have come over in bidens administration alone. That's half in the last 3.5 years... Nothing that you just posted is true. 1. YOU said initially that there were 20 million criminal illegal aliens let in by Biden alone. When I pointed out to you that there aren't even 20 million illegal immigrants of any kind in the US, you claimed you were "over-exaggerating." 2. Applying for asylum is going through the proper channels. Yet those are the people you and Trump want to turn away or deport. For unskilled workers who don't qualify for asylum, there is no reasonable proper channel for most of them to come here despite the fact that we dangle the carrot of jobs that need to be filled. Would you support an expanded guest worker program? Keep in mind that (a) we need the workers and (b) as many are leaving grinding poverty, in order to get the workers productive, we will have to help them get on their feet. That may include things like a decent pair of shoes or some money to buy food and necessities. I guarantee you no one is making the long, dangerous journey north just for the promise of Nikes and a gift card. 3. There are still not 20 million undocumented immigrants here. The closer estimate is 11 million. Which precludes any possibility of 10 million arriving during the Biden administration. We've been over this already and I'm sure we'd all appreciate it if you'd stop telling lies. www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2024/06/12/politifact-how-many-undocumented-immigrants-live-in-the-u-s/74047477007/www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-population/state/USThe border is no more porous now than it was before. Believe it or not, the numbers of immigrants that show up here increase in relation to worsening conditions in their own countries, not because of who is president. Most would rather not leave their homes and families and move to a country that is hostile to them. When numbers increase, it's because things are bad in central and south America. Kamala Harris helped reduce the flow of immigrants here by partnering with private companies (not using tax dollars) to increase opportunity in Venezuela and other hot spots. That's the most rational and effective way to stem undocumented immigration. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 14:31:11 GMT
I wasn't for my parents despite being the eldest daughter. I moved too far away for one, and also I was kind of the black sheep of the family. My brother was dad's go-to and my sister was mom's.
I am the go-to person for my husband and children. The keeper of all knowledge, holder of emotional labor, and so forth. Like most women. Yay.
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 14:28:01 GMT
We've got to take our little nuggets of happiness where we can find them these days. I hope he ends up living under a bridge.
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 11:01:50 GMT
That did make me feel better. I hope that the folks on Bluesky are wrong about this being a ruse to help Gaetz avoid ethics troubles and planning to install a Paxton type at a later date. I know. I’m wavering between horror that Paxton will get the nod and the thought that it’s the only way we’ll get him out of Texas. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 3:03:30 GMT
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 2:17:59 GMT
Imagine being proud of this motley lineup.
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 2:05:02 GMT
I hadn’t seen your post when I was speculating on the same thing. Since he has already resigned, it makes sense. I really wish that it would get leaked. Enough of the House hates him that it almost certainly will be leaked. Further speculation is that Gaetz is being teed up for failure and will ultimately be pulled in favor of someone arguably even worse - TX AG Ken Paxton. Or our governor, Greg Abbott, who was formerly AG here. Both of these would be far more dangerous because they actually know what they're doing. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 1:27:55 GMT
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 0:56:42 GMT
An accused sex trafficker for attorney general. That definitely tracks. A known white supremist to as deputy chief of policy also tracks with this administration. Department of Government Efficiency isn't even an official department. He's just making shit up now. Why not put Elon as the first lady? Melania clearly doesn't give a damn. Worse than making shit up, he's creating an entirely new department. Something he doesn't have the authority or power to actually do. Only Congress can create a new department. But details like the Constitution have never stopped him before. Apparently the workaround is that this is an extra-governmental effort to advise the actual government on cost-cutting measures. I'm sure most of these measures will involved slashing entitlement programs and turning various departments into privately run profit centers for their corporate cronies. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 0:55:12 GMT
Someone online commented that it seems Trump is filling his cabinet with characters from the Star Wars cantina, and that seems about right. Has there ever been such a collection of miscreants and weirdos in the White House?
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 0:50:49 GMT
I can't wait to see the cost. Undocumented migrants cost NYC $10 billion in 2023. That's just one city. We have plenty more cities and communities in this country that are facing burdens they aren't prepared to shoulder because there are simply too many people that have flooded the border. Rep. Esposito seems to have left off the citation for that data, but I found the NYPost article he's referencing. They're talking about a report from conservative (their words) Federation for American Immigration Reform. I found the actual report here: www.fairus.org/sites/default/files/2023-03/Fiscal%20Burden%20of%20Illegal%20Immigration%20on%20American%20Taxpayers%202023%20WEB_0.pdf. I will have to leave it to others to determine if the methods of research here are sound, but I noticed that the citations used a lot of words like "assumed" and "estimated," which always makes me a bit nervous. Conversely, the nonpartisan group Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy reported a few months ago that illegal immigrants in NYC contribute $3B to the economy in taxes alone. That doesn't count the money they spend, which also boosts our economy, and the productivity they add, which again, boosts our economy. They also point out that if these working immigrants were granted work authorizations, they would generate even more revenue (and wouldn't be so easily exploited as they wouldn't have to worry about being found out and deported if they complain). www.nyic.org/2024/07/new-report-undocumented-immigrant-new-yorkers-contribute-3-billion-in-taxes-which-would-increase-with-work-authorizations/#:~:text=FACT%3A%20Undocumented%20immigrant%20New%20Yorkers,to%20New%20York%20State's%20economy. I wasn't able to find a recent study on the net effect of undocumented immigrants on the economy in NYC, though when similar studies have been run in Texas, it's clear that these immigrants have a net positive effect on the Texas economy, and summarily removing them would be an economic disaster. All that to say - counting only the expense of getting these immigrants on their feet, whether done reliably or not, is a very incomplete picture of a complex issue. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2024 0:32:46 GMT
 I think detention camps will be the first step. I wouldn't be surprised if an entire private, for profit industry is developed as part of the process.And what about recognized asylum seekers? They are not undocumented immigrants and cannot be deported under US and international law. Nor, just to be clear, are they lunatics and criminals making their way from asylums in their home country.  It's not just those coming over the southern border that have to worry. From June 2023:
THIS!! The value of GEO Group, a privately held prison company was up 41% immediately following the election, per a posting by Heather Cox Richardson. Another large prison company was up almost 30% in a day. There are a lot of disgusting people ready to make a ton of money in this sh*t show of an adminstration. Speculation online is that the new "Department of Government Efficiency" overseen by Elmo and Vivek will primarily work to tease out chunks of government work that can be done by private contractors, thus allowing more rich people to profit of our tax dollars. Prisons have certainly been one egregious example of that. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 13, 2024 22:28:04 GMT
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Post by Merge on Nov 13, 2024 22:27:04 GMT
Just burn it down, burn it all down! Matt Gaetz announced for Attorney General. I believe conservative peas are against underage human trafficking, and sex crimes against minors in general. Former Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy believes he was taken out, in part, to stop the ethics investigation into Matt Gaetz. Trump wants him as the country's lawyer. I’ll just repeat what I said on another thread, Oh, HELL NO! So this is not what you voted for? |
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Post by Merge on Nov 13, 2024 22:25:27 GMT
I keep wondering what plans he has in his administration for Marge and Bobo. He can't include Gaetz and leave them out, right?
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Post by Merge on Nov 13, 2024 22:22:01 GMT
I live in a well to do area of Texas with many many food choices, but the produce here is poor. I have never found a fresh tomato in any store or even farmer's market. they are tasteless. Not sure what is going on. You know May is peak tomato season here, right? |
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Post by Merge on Nov 13, 2024 22:21:00 GMT
No idea if anyone buys from them. I don't. My most memorable experience was the kiosk worker who grabbed my hand as I walked by. I turned and ripped him a new one.
Touching me without permission is not going to induce me to buy anything from you.
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Post by Merge on Nov 13, 2024 22:17:43 GMT
Let’s look at it this way, he will have no excuse to not do all the outlandish things he said, maybe waking some people up before the midterms. Did you see his cabinet picks so far? Matt Gaetz as AG?  Every cabinet pick is worse than the last. Apparently Matt Gaetz's only experience with the federal judicial system is as a person of interest in a sex trafficking case. And he went to a second tier law school. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 13, 2024 21:25:01 GMT
They.don't.want.them.here. These neanderthals only want white people in America. I wouldn't feel safe even if I had papers or was a naturalized citizen. Yes! *** I have tried to explain that TFG said the undocumented are taking the Black, brown and Latino jobs. Who does he say will fill those jobs when the undocumented people are gone. You bet, the Blacks, brown and Latinos will be directed to fill those jobs, meat packing, stoop labor, ditch diggers,email jobs. They will be the chosen ones... Because some one does HAVE to fill those jobs. They DO need to be done!! Or, you know, poor black and brown children. Gotta do something with them when their public schools are closed. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 13, 2024 19:39:43 GMT
Then there is this. Apparently the right doesn’t accept the freedom of no religion. They are going to try and shove it down your throat whether you want it or not ”Donald Trump announces his 10-point plan to rebuild America's school system: Among his promises is teach patriotism, bring back 'school prayer, and fire teachers who disagree. This is how our freedom ends.” x.com/calltoactivism/status/1855756667868057802?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwHe will also run out of teachers so schools will be taught by Trump appointed people who aren't teachers and just use a set curriculum to indoctrinate students. Not even human teachers - kids will be parked in front of screens with a low-paid minder there to keep order. They'll either have online modules to complete or they'll log in to a remote class taught over Zoom. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 13, 2024 19:34:27 GMT
My goodness, even someone who marries an American citizen can't get a quick immigration turnaround?
I'm curious if the same applies to your son in Mexico - does he get a travel visa or is something else in play since they're married.
With regards to the OP, nobody knows how all this is going to work. They say criminals first, but of course those who have committed crimes in the US are often already in our prisons. Will they deport them directly from prison rather than having them finish their sentence? Who knows.
I also heard Stephen Miller mention workplace raids as part of their first sweep. So gross.
We've read that there will be increased detention camps built here in Texas. Whatever they do, they won't be rounding people up and dumping them over the border. They're going to put people in camps in south Texas for an indeterminate amount of time while they work everything out. Should be a real shitshow.
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Post by Merge on Nov 13, 2024 18:02:48 GMT
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Post by Merge on Nov 13, 2024 16:54:41 GMT
Secretary of Defense needs Senate confirmation. Hopefully there are enough sane senators to vote Nay! LOL. There are not. With Elon threatening to fund a primary challenger for anyone who goes against the Trump agenda, they will all fall in line quite nicely. |
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I think detention camps will be the first step. I wouldn't be surprised if an entire private, for profit industry is developed as part of the process.
