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Post by pixiechick on Feb 28, 2022 17:34:33 GMT
I have had this conversation with family. I think slowly but surely, more and more people will become aware that this is always a possibility in their own lives and their own little bubbles. The hard part for those currently living it is waiting for this to become standard knowledge for everyone. So many people can't see past their current experience and current situation in their own lives. I hope that makes sense.🤔 |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 28, 2022 16:30:44 GMT
Shaming is never appropriate. But as Brene Brown says, there's a difference between shaming and accountability. If you choose to support organizations knowing they are engaging in behavior that is discriminatory toward LGBTQ persons, then you have to own that you are OK with this discrimination. Now, it's one thing if you aren't informed. But @zima put this post out there and she informed me. Now, it's up to me to act. I have to live my values in nearly every circumstance I can. Do I understand that someone might only be able to afford a $6.00 fast fashion t-shirt? Yes, I do. But if you are the kind of person who is buying 20 different $6.00 t-shirts that are irresponsibly made when you could afford 3 ethically made ones, well...that's not in accordance with my values as I have recently been informed. I am all for individuals living their lives based on their values. At for owning 20 different "fast fashion" t shirts, at one time that was me. I was living in a homeless shelter doing laundry in a laundromat and working a sweaty job. I could only wear a tshirt one work shift before it was too smelly to wear a second time. Coin laundries are too expensive to wash just a small load. A load of two changes of clothes cost the same at a full load. 3 ethical tshirts didn't make a large enough load plus the time it took to wait (2 hours). You can't do something else while the machines run because people will literally take your clothes out, throw them on the floor and put their wash in your machine to use your money for their laundry. This just goes to show, that so often shaming/naming is based on your knowledge, your ability and your privilege. As opposed to the person you're shaming. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 28, 2022 14:52:36 GMT
Thanks for the book recommend pixiechick I have added it to my want to read list on Goodreads. I hope you share your impressions with me/us, even if it's far into the future.  |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 28, 2022 14:09:58 GMT
My husband got us each a bottle to try a few days ago. I ended up just tasting his and neither of us liked it. His description was a cotton candy, cream soda mix with a hint of cherry. I didn't put that much thought into trying to describe it, I just didn't care for it.
I like my basic Coke. A little too much, maybe.
Passed the second bottle on to our oldest to try. Haven't heard yet.
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 28, 2022 3:05:28 GMT
Sending up prayers for that sweet baby and you and your family.
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 28, 2022 2:40:50 GMT
I actually HAVE learned so much here. I've said this before but this little snippet from a much longer post is exactly what I want to say in this thread...
There are times I've had my mind changed here, having spent so much time reading here with a group of women all so different and from so many different places, that I've come to realize we are ALL more alike than we are different. I've even come to a place where I approach my intake of what I hear from the media with an ear from all the women here. Knowing what you all would say.
You should hear me yell at my TV or podcast when I know the people I'm listening to have left something crucial out in order to make their point.
There IS a lot of good here.
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 28, 2022 1:44:08 GMT
I was going to wait until the Reading thread tomorrow but I've just finished reading Hivemind: The New Science of Tribalism in our Divided World. And I think it should be required reading for anyone with strong political opinions on either side of the spectrum. Cavanagh is a psychologist who examines group think, positive and negative and gives us hope for how we can bridge some of the gap between us. I think it was a very interesting look into the phenomenon of people being so beholden to their hive, that they can't reach across and see where the other side is coming from. This was what I intended to be my first (and possibly only) response to this thread... Thanks for this. Based on your description and recommendation it's going to be the very next book I read. ...when I finish the one I'm reading now. I just finished one and I only just started another. I recommend the one I finished, Don't Burn This Book: Thinking for Yourself in an Age of Unreason by Dave Rubin It was so interesting. I'd love to recommend the other, but I should probably read the whole thing before I do. Both are written by Left leaning writers if that holds any weight to something *I* might recommend. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 28, 2022 0:57:15 GMT
If that is the case why did she not just generalise rather than personalise to our family. I have seen the hatred on this board between republicans and democrats . I object to being used as a pawn in her game to score points in a political feud. This is my family’s life. The remarks were cruel and hurtful and should never have been made. I have been reading and not commenting, at all, but I need to speak up here. Sassyangel is not very kind to me, at all. Because I have a different opinion from the majority and dare to say it and defend myself from the personal attacks that happen when I speak up and because I stand behind my statements when the facts back them up instead of sitting down and shutting up when the "we have told you how it is" crowd try to get me to do so even when the facts do not support them. She tries to get people to not respond to me and tells me I add nothing to this board. Nevertheless, she did not say what you took it as. She's saying the anti-vax are the ones that don't care if people live or die and she only RELATED it to your situation. It wasn't a veiled attempt to say it about you at all. With as hateful as she is to me and I'm saying that the way you took it is not what she said, please believe that. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 23, 2022 16:07:55 GMT
Doing “home research” where you’re comparing subsets of data, related or not is dicey at best, and then to combine that data from disparate studies can and usually does produce misleading or unreliable results.
While science is “fluid”, ever evolving, updating —no amount of “home study or personal research/compilation of data is going to be accurate for the masses. no amount of “home study or personal research/compilation of data is going to be accurate for the masses. Neither is across the board, no exceptions, mass mandated medical treatment. Especially given the new science and most recent information that has come out about who is most and least at risk. And the new science about the effectiveness of natural immunity. Home study, personal research/compilation of data, along with discussing with your own doctor IS going to be accurate for your personal decisions. This is my post with what I quoted you as saying, highlighted. You did not include my entire statement. You cherry picked. As you do frequently. You’re dishonest. Your post and what I quoted you as saying are exactly the same. What do you think is missing? Where is your disconnect? |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 23, 2022 16:07:35 GMT
It is hard to keep up with these threads so thought I might post this in both threads as they now seem to be over lapping. I notice that some of the conversation has turned to vaccine effectiveness amongst all the other tangents. It is all a learning curve , for me anyway. It is not unlike a situation where I have found myself in before. I used to think that science was absolute but I found that the devil is in the detail . ( I learned this whilst home - researching a post viral health condition over many years ) There are shades of grey I have only taken a quick glance at vaccine effectiveness but if I were to take a more serious look ( which I am not ) then I would take the following factors into consideration - Epidemiological data from various countries . Comparison of above data and why variations may occur - In an earlier post I linked to data including tables that showed 2 shot vaccine effectiveness in the UK was lower than that reported by the US . The UKHSA ( UK Health Security Agency )showed roughly 40% ish effectiveness compared to 60% ish from the CDC. ( US Centre for Disease Control ) A potential reason for this could be because the UK used both Astra Zeneca and Pfizer ( confirmed ) in comparison to the US which used Moderna and Pfizer ( at least I think so but have not double checked ) Other things to take into consideration might be - Different vaccine types Timescales of waning immunity Number and timing of shots . Covid variants as vaccine efficacy for Delta was higher than for Omicron. Immunosuppressed individuals Rates of infection for different areas . Through previous personal experience of home research there a few things I picked up along the way including - Taking into consideration the ranking of a journal. Some are more respected and high profile than others. They are rated regarding their impact factor. Even high ranking journals sometimes have a controversial history on certain subjects. I also came to realise that any meta analysis is only as good as the original articles which reviewers may take at face value. If the original articles were unreliable or biased in the first place than the conclusion of any meta analysis may reflect this and could be potentially flawed leading to misleading conclusions . Decent meta analysis should highlight any weaknesses and issues concerned. In my experience this can vary. The devil in the detail is to be found in between the abstract and the conclusion of the article. There have been times when headers don’t always stand up to closer scrutiny. Going off topic slightly - The type of misleading research that I am most familiar with has thankfully since been discredited due it’s poor practices . Unfortunately the same discredited researchers have turned their attention to Long Covid. I have huge respect for the patients/ families (affected by this particular post viral illness )- dubbed as citizen scientists who have collaborated with decent medical/scientific researchers to co-author papers in order to get them published in peer reviewed journals . Amongst other researchers, they have contributed to altering particular Health guidelines in the UK and elsewhere. The new guidelines have turned the old ones upside down. This could also influence Long Covid health guidelines in the future due to their similarity. As a non-scientist I have come across information ( post viral ) that I found difficult to understand and wanted to learn more about clinical findings . As such I contacted a few biomedical researchers to ask if they could help explain things. I have been so lucky because they took the time and trouble to help. Going back to Covid , things are emerging and constantly changing medically, scientifically and politically. Information is fast moving and often contradictory . Online abuse is rife. Hate speech / crimes online have increased. I am from the UK but I read that New Zealand has a campaign to encourage people to stop and think before they press send. They try to show people that disagreement can occur and strong views expressed without resorting to personal attacks. Winding back online rage. www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/11/what-would-your-mother-say-new-zealand-urges-citizens-to-wind-back-online-rageI might just hide under the duvet now !
While science is “fluid”, ever evolving, updating —no amount of “home study or personal research/compilation of data is going to be accurate for the masses. This is your post with what you said highlighted. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 23, 2022 1:25:06 GMT
That's an opinion, not a fact. You base your opinion on a picture that you created the meaning of IN YOUR HEAD. You can have your own opinion, you can't have your own facts. Hmmm, where have I heard that before. The fact is the Native American, Nathan Phillips, committed stolen valor AND he has done this very thing before. To a group of college kids who were in their own backyard and the police discredited his claim then too. My opinion is, based on his need for the spotlight (shown by his stolen valor) he saw some kids in MAGA hats and viewed it as an opportunity. And the VIDEO (not a picture that you can create your own scenario from) the FULL VIDEO showed what actually happened. You are absolutely correct that is my opinion. (See how easy that was?) But let me see if I understand your reasoning. Because this Nathan Phillips “committed stolen valor” it was ok for the punk to act like a racist punk? Really? Let me ask you two questions. 1. Why did the punk continue to stand that close to Nathan Phillips? Why didn’t he just move away? Why did he feel the need to stand his ground? To me he was being confrontational. And if he wasn’t a racist punk, he would have just moved and ignored Phillips. He wanted to start something. 2. Just what were his buddies in the background laughing about? What was so funny. They all seemed to pretty good time laughing at something. Maybe it was because they got a big kick out of watching their buddy being an ass. But let me see if I understand your reasoning. Because this Nathan Phillips “committed stolen valor” it was ok for the punk to act like a racist punk? Really? Standing still and doing nothing or saying nothing is not racist. No one with a functioning brain would try to push the idea that it is. So the fact remains, that Nathan Phillips committed stolen valor AND he had done this before.. 1. Why did the punk continue to stand that close to Nathan Phillips? Why didn’t he just move away? Why did he feel the need to stand his ground? To me he was being confrontational. And if he wasn’t a racist punk, he would have just moved and ignored Phillips. He wanted to start something. The one that wanted to start something was the one that was beating his drum and claimed he wanted to go up the steps, but ignored the big empty spot in the steps to go to and instead chose to go UP TO someone already standing in a spot with a group around him. THAT'S who started this, the one who had started just this kind of thing before. 2. Just what were his buddies in the background laughing about? What was so funny. They all seemed to pretty good time laughing at something. Maybe it was because they got a big kick out of watching their buddy being an ass. Maybe they were kids just laughing and enjoying a moment, that's what kids do. Maybe they were laughing at the uncomfortable situation with ACTUAL racist adults screaming at them and the antagonistic man with a drum that decided the empty spot on the steps was not a good place to go up the steps, but the better place to attempt to ascend the steps was the very spot where a group of people were already standing. Minding their own damn business. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 23, 2022 1:00:49 GMT
What? You don't like your concerns to be oversimplifed? Hmmm. Our bodies, our choice? Hmmm. You have to look into the history and the lives of the founders and leaders of your movement? Hmmm. You want the freedom to take the life of your own unborn, and sometimes even newborn, but you don't want others to have the freedom to choose to treat possible viral infections with long-used, effective, and generically cheap therapeutics instead of continually injecting their entire families with experimental vaccines that aren't stopping infection but are yielding bumper profits for big pharmaceutical companies. But... WHITE SUPREMACY! Say the people supporting a corporation responsible for killing tens of millions of minority children. The true arrogance of white privilege on full display. Isn't this a clear example of that "selfish thinking" that y'all attribute to anti-mandate people? Asking for a friend.  |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 23, 2022 0:55:27 GMT
Doing “home research” where you’re comparing subsets of data, related or not is dicey at best, and then to combine that data from disparate studies can and usually does produce misleading or unreliable results. While science is “fluid”, ever evolving, updating —no amount of “home study or personal research/compilation of data is going to be accurate for the masses. no amount of “home study or personal research/compilation of data is going to be accurate for the masses. Neither is across the board, no exceptions, mass mandated medical treatment. Especially given the new science and most recent information that has come out about who is most and least at risk. And the new science about the effectiveness of natural immunity. Home study, personal research/compilation of data, along with discussing with your own doctor IS going to be accurate for your personal decisions. Sorry but no. And here you are again, only cherry picking a part of my words. You’ll never stop being dishonest in your attempts at posting. Speaking of dishonest, you'll see here I quoted every. single. word. you. said. I left nothing out. If I address the one thing you said, that I disagree with and back it up, that is NOT cherry picking. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 23, 2022 0:50:36 GMT
There you go with backing off and claiming you didn't mean what you said when you're asked for specifics. But I'll play your game. Read the "you" in my post as the general "you," just as you're claiming that the "someone" you reference was some other random person and not yourself. Link us up. Give us a screenshot. Show us where someone on the right here posted "undeniable proof" and was uniformly rebuffed by the left.
I'm not sure how my describing what isn't actually undeniable proof is "degrading," as you say, but this form of victimhood does seem to be a strong theme among the right-wing peas. I’m not convinced you even understand what sort of proof was being asked for in that exchange. Based on your bringing up the other thread, you seem to believe we were asking for proof of conservative victimhood, but that wasn’t it at all. Seems pretty obvious to me, but do point out what it is that you think I don't understand. What context is missing? Exactly which goal post was moved here? |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 23, 2022 0:50:06 GMT
If you’re baking a post “to create good will” or “pay it forward” it’s a shame that you couldn’t do it on your own merit, but instead used another peas words out of context to do it. Nothing was taken out of context. I posted what she said that caused me to think what *I* posted. I attributed no thoughts or feelings to her. NONE whatsoever. It was MY thought. So FFS, no, she was not taken out of context. This thread - LINK - see the reality for yourself the very 1st postIt wasn’t an issue until you tried to use it to vilify here HERE, on this thread. You are the most dishonest pea posting. She made a kind, harmless thread into an issue well before the start of this thread. As far as being dishonest, it's so embarrassingly clear that you are projecting. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 22, 2022 19:03:34 GMT
Just a response to explain my definition of home research. It is not a substitute for peer reviewed science at all. It is about trying to understand information better to put things into context so that it can help to make informed decisions. Numbers are meaningless without full context. Variables can alter conclusions. Home research is more than trying to keep up with scientific developments for me , it also includes keeping up to date with parliamentary debates and questions , together with health legislation. Knowing funders of trials and any potential conflict of interest. Long term follow ups , selection criteria , reporting of harms , trial protocol, the list goes on. Basically it gives a much better depth of understanding than just a shallow grasp. The old UK health guidelines that were damaging to people with a type of post viral illness were overturned in part by public scrutiny and legal release of clinical trial data through Freedom of Information requests. A court case brought by the UK information Commissioner on behalf of an Australian patient ( harmed by his country following UK NICE guidelines ) was based on his Freedom of Information request . The judge ruled in favour and it was the breakthrough needed to expose manipulated data and false reporting of results . Independent scientific and medical researchers were then able to reanalyse the raw data according to the original trial protocol and publish correct results. It made international news. This all contributed to the previous trial data being officially downgraded through a process of review held by NICE the National Institute of Health and Clinical Excellence over several years. It was reported in the UK Parliament as the biggest medical scandal of the 21st Century. The new health guidelines introduced a few months ago would never have changed without patients and their families doing home research. It has been a collective effort. www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng206 I don’t whether this is unique to this particular post viral illness but the collaboration between patients /advocates and biomedical researchers has changed the previous dynamics. Post viral research currently also has an impact on Long Covid so I think this pertinent enough to mention it during this thread. Home research is not instead of peer reviewed science but in addition to. Learning and questioning things can bring better understanding and result in significant changes to patient care. Learning and questioning things can bring better understanding and result in significant changes to patient care. This is so vital! And it's astonishing that so many try to put a stop to that. And they wonder why millions of people have so much distrust of the across the board, no exceptions, mass mandated medical treatment being pushed on people who may not need it, by politicians and politicians masquerading as medical experts, and the censorship and shaming from people trying to get others not to question and learn. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 22, 2022 16:34:43 GMT
The protesters and everyone else I know, want the mandates ended. We want to go where we want, when we want, without restriction. The mask mandates as well as the vaccines have been proven to not be as effective as the drug companies thought they would be. EVERYONE is getting some form of covid whether you wear 6 masks or none, if you have been quadruple boosted or not. If you want to continue to wear a mask, by all means, do so. We now know that the overwhelming number of deaths, over 75%, occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities, so really these are people who were sick to begin with. We also know that the vaccine does not prevent you from getting covid and that you can get it from someone who is vaxed, boosted and masked, even if YOU are vaxed, boosted and masked. We also know that children are suffering in school because of this pandemic and that many are now far behind their learning because of virtual schooling. We know that the vast majority of people do not follow the mask mandates anyway, (super bowl and other very large sporting events, concerts, politicians not wearing masks at events, pro mask people being found on social medial without masks on, etc). We also know that a little piece of plexiglass in front of you at a register in a store does NOTHING to stop the airborne droplets from going over, under or around that little piece of plexiglass. That's just common logic FFS. At this point, we need to learn how to live with this virus and get on with life. You've made your selfishness regarding masks perfectly clear. And please show how children are suffering. Do you have any studies or personal experience? In my personal experience, elementary school kids are doing just fine with masks, even the littles and kids with sensory issues. The only ones that have a problem are adults. Not so.
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 22, 2022 15:04:40 GMT
You absolutely just proved my point. I never said “me”. I meant it as a generalized statement. But there you go with the degrading. There you go with backing off and claiming you didn't mean what you said when you're asked for specifics. But I'll play your game. Read the "you" in my post as the general "you," just as you're claiming that the "someone" you reference was some other random person and not yourself. Link us up. Give us a screenshot. Show us where someone on the right here posted "undeniable proof" and was uniformly rebuffed by the left.
I'm not sure how my describing what isn't actually undeniable proof is "degrading," as you say, but this form of victimhood does seem to be a strong theme among the right-wing peas. I’m not convinced you even understand what sort of proof was being asked for in that exchange. Based on your bringing up the other thread, you seem to believe we were asking for proof of conservative victimhood, but that wasn’t it at all. Seems pretty obvious to me, but do point out what it is that you think I don't understand. What context is missing? |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 22, 2022 15:00:40 GMT
That’s what amazes me about this site. No matter what someone’s point of view is, no matter what their beliefs are no matter what proof they have to back their story/post, if someone doesn’t like what they have to say, even if the proof is undeniable, that person will be shit on, swore at and degraded. There really is no room for neutral here. Why can’t people be entitled to their own beliefs and/or opinions without being told that their opinion/beliefs don’t matter??? Why is that? Can you show us where the lefties hurt you? When did you show "undeniable" proof? Usually when questioned, you back off and say, I never said it was fact, just my opinion. A half-baked opinion from you or your favorite infotainer is not "undeniable proof." A video or article that doesn't actually show what is being claimed is not "undeniable proof." An article based on wild assertions with no evidence to back them up is not "undeniable proof." |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 22, 2022 14:59:06 GMT
Nothing I said in that thread was insulting without twisting yourself into being offended. So, what you're saying is, you didn't REALLY want to see proof, you were just using that as another asinine way to dismiss. Just like you twisting yourself into an offended pretzel on my thread in order to diminish anything I say. Got it. As usual, you completely fail to understand context. You posting that thread in the context of everything you’ve said here is insulting. Like offering someone a sticker after you’ve stomped all over them for years. I don’t have time right now to go back and look for whatever proof you’re claiming. I’m not convinced you even understand what sort of proof was being asked for in that exchange. Based on your bringing up the other thread, you seem to believe we were asking for proof of conservative victimhood, but that wasn’t it at all. You are not and never have been the misunderstood victim you like to believe. We see you quite clearly. I don’t have time right now to go back and look for whatever proof you’re claiming. Not now, but of course you will since you asked specifically for it, right? I don't believe for a second that I'm a victim, and especially don't believe that I'm misunderstood. At all. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 22, 2022 14:04:31 GMT
Well look at it off of Tapatalk. Or ask for proof and continue to find asinine ways to dismiss the proof without even looking at it. That's fine, it's just more proof. As far as my thread being an insult, it is only if you want to twist it into that. And you clearly NEEDED to. It's almost pathological with you these days. Plenty of people didn't see it as an insult and appreciated the thread. Funny thing about insults. You don’t get to decide whether or not the other person feels insulted. You don’t get to make yourself the victim when you’ve insulted someone else. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to teach some divisive concepts, like understanding how the music of African slaves is the root of all the music we enjoy today. LMK if you need more deets so you can report me. Nothing I said in that thread was insulting without twisting yourself into being offended. So, what you're saying is, you didn't REALLY want to see proof, you were just using that as another asinine way to dismiss. Just like you twisting yourself into an offended pretzel on my thread in order to diminish anything I say. Got it. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 22, 2022 13:02:38 GMT
I posted a thread in order to pay it forward and create good will. A thread that people were appreciating. YOU were the one lecturing in order to diminish anything I say. I gave undeniable proof - my posts on page 29 of this thread. You don't have to count anything. I use Tapatalk. There are no “pages.” And as I said in the other thread, “good will” is an insult when you consistently vote for, defend, and support people whose policies hurt the people to whom you’re giving good will. Your thread was an insult to all of them/us. Well look at it off of Tapatalk. Or ask for proof and continue to find asinine ways to dismiss the proof without even looking at it. That's fine, it's just more proof. As far as my thread being an insult, it is only if you want to twist it into that. And you clearly NEEDED to. It's almost pathological with you these days. Plenty of people didn't see it as an insult and appreciated the thread. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 22, 2022 12:32:48 GMT
It is hard to keep up with these threads so thought I might post this in both threads as they now seem to be over lapping. I notice that some of the conversation has turned to vaccine effectiveness amongst all the other tangents. It is all a learning curve , for me anyway. It is not unlike a situation where I have found myself in before. I used to think that science was absolute but I found that the devil is in the detail . ( I learned this whilst home - researching a post viral health condition over many years ) There are shades of grey I have only taken a quick glance at vaccine effectiveness but if I were to take a more serious look ( which I am not ) then I would take the following factors into consideration - Epidemiological data from various countries . Comparison of above data and why variations may occur - In an earlier post I linked to data including tables that showed 2 shot vaccine effectiveness in the UK was lower than that reported by the US . The UKHSA ( UK Health Security Agency )showed roughly 40% ish effectiveness compared to 60% ish from the CDC. ( US Centre for Disease Control ) A potential reason for this could be because the UK used both Astra Zeneca and Pfizer ( confirmed ) in comparison to the US which used Moderna and Pfizer ( at least I think so but have not double checked ) Other things to take into consideration might be - Different vaccine types Timescales of waning immunity Number and timing of shots . Covid variants as vaccine efficacy for Delta was higher than for Omicron. Immunosuppressed individuals Rates of infection for different areas . Through previous personal experience of home research there a few things I picked up along the way including - Taking into consideration the ranking of a journal. Some are more respected and high profile than others. They are rated regarding their impact factor. Even high ranking journals sometimes have a controversial history on certain subjects. I also came to realise that any meta analysis is only as good as the original articles which reviewers may take at face value. If the original articles were unreliable or biased in the first place than the conclusion of any meta analysis may reflect this and could be potentially flawed leading to misleading conclusions . Decent meta analysis should highlight any weaknesses and issues concerned. In my experience this can vary. The devil in the detail is to be found in between the abstract and the conclusion of the article. There have been times when headers don’t always stand up to closer scrutiny. Going off topic slightly - The type of misleading research that I am most familiar with has thankfully since been discredited due it’s poor practices . Unfortunately the same discredited researchers have turned their attention to Long Covid. I have huge respect for the patients/ families (affected by this particular post viral illness )- dubbed as citizen scientists who have collaborated with decent medical/scientific researchers to co-author papers in order to get them published in peer reviewed journals . Amongst other researchers, they have contributed to altering particular Health guidelines in the UK and elsewhere. The new guidelines have turned the old ones upside down. This could also influence Long Covid health guidelines in the future due to their similarity. As a non-scientist I have come across information ( post viral ) that I found difficult to understand and wanted to learn more about clinical findings . As such I contacted a few biomedical researchers to ask if they could help explain things. I have been so lucky because they took the time and trouble to help. Going back to Covid , things are emerging and constantly changing medically, scientifically and politically. Information is fast moving and often contradictory . Online abuse is rife. Hate speech / crimes online have increased. I am from the UK but I read that New Zealand has a campaign to encourage people to stop and think before they press send. They try to show people that disagreement can occur and strong views expressed without resorting to personal attacks. Winding back online rage. www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/11/what-would-your-mother-say-new-zealand-urges-citizens-to-wind-back-online-rageI might just hide under the duvet now ! Doing “home research” where you’re comparing subsets of data, related or not is dicey at best, and then to combine that data from disparate studies can and usually does produce misleading or unreliable results. While science is “fluid”, ever evolving, updating —no amount of “home study or personal research/compilation of data is going to be accurate for the masses. While science is “fluid”, ever evolving, updating —no amount of “home study or personal research/compilation of data is going to be accurate for the masses. Neither is across the board, no exceptions, mass mandated medical treatment. Especially given the new science and most recent information that has come out about who is most and least at risk. And the new science about the effectiveness of natural immunity. Home study, personal research/compilation of data, along with discussing with your own doctor IS going to be accurate for your personal decisions. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 22, 2022 12:28:09 GMT
It is hard to keep up with these threads so thought I might post this in both threads as they now seem to be over lapping. I notice that some of the conversation has turned to vaccine effectiveness amongst all the other tangents. It is all a learning curve , for me anyway. It is not unlike a situation where I have found myself in before. I used to think that science was absolute but I found that the devil is in the detail . ( I learned this whilst home - researching a post viral health condition over many years ) There are shades of grey I have only taken a quick glance at vaccine effectiveness but if I were to take a more serious look ( which I am not ) then I would take the following factors into consideration - Epidemiological data from various countries . Comparison of above data and why variations may occur - In an earlier post I linked to data including tables that showed 2 shot vaccine effectiveness in the UK was lower than that reported by the US . The UKHSA ( UK Health Security Agency )showed roughly 40% ish effectiveness compared to 60% ish from the CDC. ( US Centre for Disease Control ) A potential reason for this could be because the UK used both Astra Zeneca and Pfizer ( confirmed ) in comparison to the US which used Moderna and Pfizer ( at least I think so but have not double checked ) Other things to take into consideration might be - Different vaccine types Timescales of waning immunity Number and timing of shots . Covid variants as vaccine efficacy for Delta was higher than for Omicron. Immunosuppressed individuals Rates of infection for different areas . Through previous personal experience of home research there a few things I picked up along the way including - Taking into consideration the ranking of a journal. Some are more respected and high profile than others. They are rated regarding their impact factor. Even high ranking journals sometimes have a controversial history on certain subjects. I also came to realise that any meta analysis is only as good as the original articles which reviewers may take at face value. If the original articles were unreliable or biased in the first place than the conclusion of any meta analysis may reflect this and could be potentially flawed leading to misleading conclusions . Decent meta analysis should highlight any weaknesses and issues concerned. In my experience this can vary. The devil in the detail is to be found in between the abstract and the conclusion of the article. There have been times when headers don’t always stand up to closer scrutiny. Going off topic slightly - The type of misleading research that I am most familiar with has thankfully since been discredited due it’s poor practices . Unfortunately the same discredited researchers have turned their attention to Long Covid. I have huge respect for the patients/ families (affected by this particular post viral illness )- dubbed as citizen scientists who have collaborated with decent medical/scientific researchers to co-author papers in order to get them published in peer reviewed journals . Amongst other researchers, they have contributed to altering particular Health guidelines in the UK and elsewhere. The new guidelines have turned the old ones upside down. This could also influence Long Covid health guidelines in the future due to their similarity. As a non-scientist I have come across information ( post viral ) that I found difficult to understand and wanted to learn more about clinical findings . As such I contacted a few biomedical researchers to ask if they could help explain things. I have been so lucky because they took the time and trouble to help. Going back to Covid , things are emerging and constantly changing medically, scientifically and politically. Information is fast moving and often contradictory . Online abuse is rife. Hate speech / crimes online have increased. I am from the UK but I read that New Zealand has a campaign to encourage people to stop and think before they press send. They try to show people that disagreement can occur and strong views expressed without resorting to personal attacks. Winding back online rage. www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/11/what-would-your-mother-say-new-zealand-urges-citizens-to-wind-back-online-rageI might just hide under the duvet now ! Doing “home research” where you’re comparing subsets of data, related or not is dicey at best, and then to combine that data from disparate studies can and usually does produce misleading or unreliable results. While science is “fluid”, ever evolving, updating —no amount of “home study or personal research/compilation of data is going to be accurate for the masses. no amount of “home study or personal research/compilation of data is going to be accurate for the masses. Neither is across the board, no exceptions, mass mandated medical treatment. Especially given the new science and most recent information that has come out about who is most and least at risk. And the new science about the effectiveness of natural immunity. Home study, personal research/compilation of data, along with discussing with your own doctor IS going to be accurate for your personal decisions. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 22, 2022 12:17:43 GMT
And one specifically involving YOU merge. A thread I started to try to spread goodwill and pay it forward, in hopes that it would have a nice effect on some people going through a rough time in the service industry. People were appreciating it and adding their own experiences of how rough the service industry is having it lately. Even Lucy appreciated it. Lucy: "Thank you. I cannot find a single thing there to disagree with.  " Merge: Hold my beer. I’m not going up to count responses to find whatever you’re talking about, but the question was about undeniable proof. Not places where people simply disagreed with you. I disagreed with you lecturing anyone about kindness on that thread and I very clearly explained why. And I stand by it. I posted a thread in order to pay it forward and create good will. A thread that people were appreciating. YOU were the one lecturing in order to diminish anything I say. but the question was about undeniable proof. I gave undeniable proof - my posts on page 29 of this thread. You don't have to count anything. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 22, 2022 12:07:29 GMT
And one specifically involving YOU merge. A thread I started to try to spread goodwill and pay it forward, in hopes that it would have a nice effect on some people going through a rough time in the service industry. People were appreciating it and adding their own experiences of how rough the service industry is having it lately. Even Lucy appreciated it. Lucy: "Thank you. I cannot find a single thing there to disagree with. " Merge: Hold my beer. You’re being insidious—disingenuous. Again. Where did merge’s original quote come from? You’re the OP in the thread in which you pulled a snippet/sentence from merge that she posted on ANOTHER thread. Merge wasn’t responding to or quoting you in this thread that you started. So what? Including what made me think of it, in no way minimizes what I said. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 22, 2022 2:44:21 GMT
Show us where someone on the right here posted "undeniable proof" and was uniformly rebuffed by the left. I don't know if she did, but I will... Here's just one recent of endless examples... This thread. Page 29, 14th post down. My post. In response to sideways saying "TFG had no plan whatsoever to get vaccines into arms. None. Zero. Zilch." 21 down. My post. 24 down. My post. 26 down. My post. 28 down. My post. A thread I started to try to spread goodwill and pay it forward, in hopes that it would have a nice effect on some people going through a rough time in the service industry. People were appreciating it and adding their own experiences of how rough the service industry is having it lately. Even Lucy appreciated it. Lucy: "Thank you. I cannot find a single thing there to disagree with. " Merge: Hold my beer. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 21, 2022 6:03:37 GMT
Show us where someone on the right here posted "undeniable proof" and was uniformly rebuffed by the left. I don't know if she did, but I will... Here's just one recent of endless examples... This thread. Page 29, 14th post down. My post. In response to sideways saying "TFG had no plan whatsoever to get vaccines into arms. None. Zero. Zilch." 21 down. My post. 24 down. My post. 26 down. My post. 28 down. My post. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 21, 2022 5:53:33 GMT
So she wasn't elderly, that makes knocking people down with horses insignificant, while twirling reins near someone but not making contact is horrific and inexcusable . Remind me again, what ever happened with the results of the "investigation"? 😂 So you concede that nobody was trampled then? I seem to remember things being said about civil rights protestors being in the street and what some people would do if protestors got in the way of their cars. These were horses walking through the crowd to separate them. People had all been told to leave, so maybe they shouldn’t have been in the street? I don’t know what incident or “investigation” your referring to. I’m not going to indulge your RWNJ red herrings. Do try to stay on topic. I never said anyone was trampled. If protesters and a car are on topic, then so is a horse incident at the border. Unless you're invoking the double standard again? Biden Administration Will Investigate Border Patrol's Use Of Horse Reins Against Haitian Migrants |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 21, 2022 5:47:59 GMT
No, immigrants and refugees are eligible for vaccines after they've been granted admittance or refugee status. You don't need a green card to get a vaccine, as we've said multiple times in this thread. You're still suggesting immigrants and refugees should be singled out for a vaccine mandate? That's what I'm saying... you don't NEED a green card to get vaccinated, but they are not MANDATED to get vaccinated until they get one and they are not eligible to get the green card for a whole year. So there's a whole year of them possibly moving around the country unvaccinated. THAT'S what I'm saying. No, I'm not suggesting immigrants and refugees should be singled out for a vaccine mandate. What i AM saying is the mandates are what YOU believe in and yet, you DON'T have a problem with possibly millions of people wandering around possibly infecting everyone - IF they've come here illegally. Why is that? Now that you're speaking to me again... Why is it that you can't answer that aj2hall? Why can't you back up your claims? |
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