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Post by pixiechick on Nov 18, 2021 8:07:57 GMT
The problem in NH is how do you define divisive concepts? The Republican and Democratic definitions are very different. I showed very clearly how divisive concepts are defined: -with the letter from the teacher who had to resign because of the divisive concept for teaching that's ordered by the school -the parent sharing with the school board the attempted divide created among their own biracial family members that his child had experienced from his teacher AND the child was ridiculed by the principal for objecting to it. Very divisive. -the student who, among other issues, shared about the government teacher that sought to dehumanize anyone who didn't have the correct political views. Very divisive among the students. -the video of the OTHER teacher who had to resign because of the divisive way of teaching her school required & the sending out of forms to teachers to tell on other teachers that don't follow the conformity of thought - even in their private life- is very fucking divisive. All of that teaches children silence. It teaches children, don't question, wait until you get a consensus before you voice an answer, opinion or thought. It teaches not to think on your own, just conform. It's a very divisive culture if you dare to stand up for yourself and stand up for very appropriate diversity of thought. It isn't a difference in defining divisive concepts. Those define divisive concepts precisely.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 18, 2021 4:00:04 GMT
NO ONE is saying not to do that. That isn't even a debate any one is having. Sorry but I see MANY people that are not wanting the TRUE story of slavery and the confederacy taught. They are saying if we teach the truth that is CRT. Link to one person saying we can't teach about slavery so I can see what you are seeing. If we can teach students about the horrors of Nazi Germany and the wrongs that THOSE people in THOSE times committed, then why can't we do the same thing for teaching about slavery in our country? THOSE people in THOSE times did these atrocious things. This is what you said.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 18, 2021 3:52:36 GMT
If that's what the Washington Post thinks people are saying is divisive and racist, they are not qualified to talk about what critics are saying. New Hampshire recently passed a law regarding teaching "divisive concepts" in K-12 schools Good, why would you WANT to teach children to be divisive? How do you teach about the civil rights movement without mentioning systematic racism or white privilege? Some recent laws specifically ban mention of them. Please point to the exact wording specifically that "bans teaching about the civil rights movement without mentioning systematic racism or white privilege". I don't believe that is what it says.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 18, 2021 3:42:37 GMT
If we can teach students about the horrors of Nazi Germany and the wrongs that THOSE people in THOSE times committed, then why can't we do the same thing for teaching about slavery in our country? THOSE people in THOSE times did these atrocious things. NO ONE is saying not to do that. That isn't even a debate any one is having.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 18, 2021 3:13:02 GMT
You might not realize this, because it isn't your experience, but this board has become a culture where conservatives "have to prove" everything they think and say. If we don't, our opinions and/or facts are dismissed. It's absolutely idiotic though, because even those times when we do back it up with indisputable facts, it's all dismissed anyway, and almost always, for some moronic reason. You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own set of facts. There are no "alternative facts". And your "indisputable facts" are not dismissed for moronic reasons. They're disputed for very specific reasons that you choose to ignore. How many times did we try to tell you there's a difference between acquired immunity & immunity from a vaccine? How many times, how many ways have we tried to tell you that your 17 statements & videos are not proof that CRT is taught in classrooms across the country? One of the Fox videos that you linked as part of your "indisputable proof" included statements from individuals from conservative organizations with a clear bias. I'm not talking about vaccines. You can NOT put every idiotic dismissal onto the topic of the vaccine MANDATE debate. There are too many other topics and too many other baseless dismissals to blame them on one single topic. "I'm not going to watching a video that shows my narrative is wrong." "I'm not telling you why I think what I think, google it and figure out why I think what I think." Just 2 of the latest and most absurd. This pull yourself up by the bootstraps theory does not hold true for everyone. It is not a universal truth. Not everyone has the same advantages. Having disadvantages because of the color of your skin is simply wrong. Economic inequality and health disparities for people of color are well documented and genuinely indisputable. As a result of systematic racism, people of color face disadvantages their entire life from birth to death because of the color of their skin. I said "The individual that can do something that the world wants done, will, in the end, make his way." And yes that's true no matter the color of your skin, gender, or what neighborhood you live in. And yes, it's a universal truth. That means it applies to everyone.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 18, 2021 2:54:32 GMT
Perhaps the people who do violence to black people and oppress millions of women and poor people through the ballot box should care a little more about the violence they may instigate with their actions. People have been provoked. Perhaps the media who do violence by pushing a narrative without facts even being available yet, and never let go of that narrative even when they have the facts that dispute that narrative should care a little more about the violence they may instigate with their actions. People have been provoked. Lucy keeps saying "we're doomed." and people keep repeating it, If she's even a little bit right, most of the dooming is coming from the media. And yes, every single area of the media. ETA: I guess the right is correct and we should remove mention of the civil rights movement from our curriculum because it’s “divisive” and might encourage someone else to do the same. Please show where anyone has ever said that.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 18, 2021 2:36:50 GMT
pixiechick I shared *my* thoughts. How about you state what *your* objections specifically are? What exact parts are you having trouble with? What parts of my post do you take issue with children learning? At what point do you feel that educators cross the line? How about we just have a conversation? Because really the facts are humbling for me as a white person. And critical thinking is always in play. It just naturally leads to one conclusion, IMO. So why don't you tell me from that statement full of quotes which you stand behind and why? Quit trying to argue for the anti-CRT movement. Why don't we simply have a conversation and see if we can have a meeting of the minds? I did share my thoughts. I also backed them up with why I feel that way. I'll try again. I think the hostile culture of "this is the only conclusion you can reach" is dangerous. Why do I think that? Because the people that are pushing that idea are basing "this is the only conclusion you can reach" on a twisted version of what the opposing side ACTUALLY said/think. They state what the opposing side said in such a twisted from all reality way, that no one on the planet would think is anything but evil or at least wrong. And yet, the way they state what was said, in NO WAY conveys what the opposing side has actually SAID in reality. It's dishonest, because it's a way to insist that you are right when you may not actually be. But by doing so, the type of person that would do that, thinks it's a way to push their opinion and thinks they're coming from a from the moral high ground, because they start to believe their own "propaganda". How to recognize it? It's backed up by, some form of "if you disagree, it's only because you're a racist." All of that teaches silence. It teaches not to think, just conform. I think it's wrong to tell the teachers "you'd fire all the white ones if you could". Why do I think that? Because that actually IS racist. We're supposed to hire based on ability, not skin color. I think teaching children that white people are all racist even if they don't mean to be is wrong. Teaching them that you're a victim or a privileged oppressor depending on your skin color, is wrong. Why do I think that? Because if you're not teaching children (and adults at this point in time) that "The individual that can do something that the world wants done, will, in the end, make his way.", then you're doing it wrong. And yes that's true no matter the color of your skin, gender, or what neighborhood you live in. It's a universal truth. Is it easy? No, but we all have some sort of advantages and we all have some sort of disadvantages compared to others. All of us. And the 17 points have absolutely no thought process attached to them. They are just meaningless words floating in the stratosphere. I know I'm not the link queen, but when I share it is with my own thoughts, ideas, and experience. Just once I would like to see someone on that team put forth their own ideas, experience, and thoughts. What is the specific problem? What is troubling you so badly about this you have to come to a message board and argue about it? What is it? Because I can honestly say I have no problem with kids being taught these concepts appropriate to grade level. I say that as a parent. And I would stand in front of my school board and say the same. Luckily I live in a very diverse community that embraces these things so I don't have to. So what is exactly the problem? What points of CRT do you specifically object to? What don't you want taught? Not any of this was aimed at you specifically. But I just don't get the opposition. I don't get what they are objecting to. You might not realize this, because it isn't your experience, but this board has become a culture where conservatives "have to prove" everything they think and say. If we don't, our opinions and/or facts are dismissed. It's absolutely idiotic though, because even those times when we do back it up with indisputable facts, it's all dismissed anyway, and almost always, for some moronic reason.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 17, 2021 21:56:57 GMT
But if they are teaching actual CRT in high school then I’m good with it. I did not want this comment to get missed. Because I am too, good with it. There are issues where one side is right and one side is wrong. Critical thinking should lead you to this conclusion. I don't think it's indoctrination to present these ideas to kids. And the critical thinking piece is that these kids, after being presented with these theories make up their mind that the theories actually do hold water. You only need to look at the numbers of black people shot by the police vs. white people shot by the police, or sentencing for crimes white vs. black to see that structural racism does, in fact, exist. The fact that organizations like the Proud Boys still exist show that we are not living in a post racist society and there are a lot of people who still believe that whites are superior and should be in power over people of color. Our last president tweeted xenophobic things directed at Congresswomen of color about going back to their own country, which according to the Equal Employment Commission are racist words for the workplace. If anyone bothered to read the comments under these tweets, you can see a whole lot of people not only agreeing with these ideas but putting their own racist and xenophobic spins on the presidents words. I recently attempted to read the book Caste. I was so horrified that I had to put the book down. My heart is simply too delicate to read over and over again the atrocities perpetuated against black people in our history. Is that what we are worried about teaching children? Empathy? We don't want to tell them about these things because we are afraid they will be as sickened as I was reading about it? So nope, I think exposing kids to this kind of information does nothing but foster the common good. There just simply isn't a side that is worthy of discussion that allows for this kind of treatment of people of color to be OK. Critical thinking does sometimes lead to one conclusion. Inclusion and empathy are things we should be fostering in kids. Honestly, after reading that book, I can't believe black people aren't taking to the streets to shout down racism every single day. It's disgusting. And if having your white children be disgusted by these actions is upsetting to you, maybe you ought to think harder about how black kids deal with these things every single day of their lives and how your white children need to be fighting against it. What is going on is not OK. And I don't care if my children are presented with theories which lead them straight to the idea that it's not OK. Because by holding back facts about our history, current statistics on racial disparities related to justice and law enforcement, current statistics on hiring practices (we've all seen that there is discrimination just based on the name on your resume), pay inequities, we are saying that these things are OK. And they are just not. So nope, I think exposing kids to this kind of information does nothing but foster the common good. Not the way the way it's being done in too many places. LINK Amazing parent testimony on Critical Race Theory in our schools.
This letter from another teacher resigning: There just simply isn't a side that is worthy of discussion that allows for this kind of treatment of people of color to be OK. No one is disagreeing with that. No one is trying to allow mistreatment of people of color. No one objects to history being taught, that's an absurd summation of what the people are actually saying across the country. Not just the parents, but the teachers and students immersed in the environment. School boards being overturned in places because of that summation.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 17, 2021 21:13:08 GMT
The article I linked actually counted the number of times fox mentioned it. A google search proves nothing. Many of the articles were before the election. I can't read your article without paying for it, but when I linked that there was an article from "5 hours ago", one from "8 hours ago", one from "1 day ago", "4 days ago", "6 days ago", "a week ago" and so on. They are still covering CRT on Fox.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 17, 2021 21:05:10 GMT
The ruling from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit calls Biden vaccine mandate ‘fatally flawed’ and ‘staggeringly overbroad’ and halted it.
Biden being above the law and all, told businesses to do it anyway. OSHA is smart enough to not comply with the Biden admin.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 17, 2021 13:08:32 GMT
I'm not bothered by how early anyone is doing anything Christmas related. They're happy and enjoying something... and really, that's a good thing in my book.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 17, 2021 6:44:41 GMT
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 17, 2021 6:41:25 GMT
Going just off your bolded posts, as that seems to be what you're asserting... Your link shows no video, it only plays audio with accompanying commentary on what the commentator thinks/wants you to think. No video provided for someone to decide for themselves. It even says "But the videos also show cases where some protesters clearly tried to incite the police, highlighting the complexity of the event." Police Commissioner William Gross placed a sergeant who bragged about hitting three protestors with his car on administrative leave. In a statement, Gross said his office is also looking into other abuses shown on the tapes. They're investigating a particular instance and looking into some vague claim of others. A single verifiable instance of bad behavior. There is solid evidence that police infiltrated the recent demonstrations. A North Dakota officer posed as a protester, photographed activists, and yelled “F**k the police” while checking for guns at a Black Lives Matter protest in Fargo. Undercover officers disguised as Orthodox Jews attended anti-racism protests in New Jersey. The Texas Department of Public Safety outright acknowledged embedding undercover officers in the protests to root out “criminals.” Going undercover for surveillance is not instigating violence. A broader solution is to simply prohibit plainclothes police from attending protests. Using undercover police in connection with protests and protest movements can only further undermine trust between law enforcement and communities at a time when that trust has already been badly eroded by repeated, high-profile instances of racialized police brutality. Whatever the merits and drawbacks of undercover operations in other settings, protests are one context where people should feel free to come together and express themselves without fear of surreptitious law enforcement monitoring. So stop wearing protective gear and stop keeping an eye on protests. That doesn't seem very productive and still not showing police as instigating violence. We asked experts to watch videos showing officers using tear gas, pepper balls and explosives on protesters. Police actions often escalated confrontations. Videos from social media. How can we rely on those videos when they don't show what happened prior to the so called "escalation"? Not proof police are instigating violence. weapons that aren’t designed to be lethal, from beanbag rounds to grenades N ot only can some of these weapons cause considerable injury to protesters, particularly if misused, but experts say the mere presence of the weapons often incites panic, intensifies confrontations and puts people on all sides at risk.People call for non lethal force and then demonize the police when they comply. Still not showing police as instigating violence. about 10 minutes before an 8 p.m. curfew went into effect, the marchers encountered scores of police officers with riot gear, including helmets, shields, and batons. Bicycle police used their bikes to form a wall and prevented the protesters from moving forward, while other officers pushed from behind – a tactic known as “kettling.” The protesters were trapped, with no way to disperse.Don't know if that was a mistake on the police's part, they had a specific reason for doing what they did, or not how it actually happened. But still not showing police as instigating violence. Just after 8 p.m. and the start of the city-wide curfew – imposed a few days earlier due to looting in other areas– the police moved in on the protesters, unprovoked and without warning, whaling their batons, beating people from car tops, shoving them down to the ground, and firing pepper spray in their faces. How do we know that really happened? Where's the proof? T he City Council will consider a report Wednesday, Sept. 22, that largely blames Portland police for violence at political protests and calls for a series of reforms.Did they get police input at all or just input from a bunch of people already pissed off that police exist? As someone recently posted to me in a post that you personally LIKEd "Once again you put a lot of stuff out there but do not provide any actual proof what is being said is actually happening . People make all kinds of accusations but that doesn’t mean what they are saying is actually happening." So yeah, that goes both ways.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 16, 2021 23:08:12 GMT
Your quotes -all of them- were written in your posts as if they were your words. If they're not your words you should put quotation marks to indicate you're quoting someone. In the second one I realize that your words indicate she said it. And nothing you supposedly quoted show that police response escalated the situation. If you read my post, I did say the quote was from Sunshine. These are my exact words. My post was in response to this post by sunshine that seemed to suggest those 2 convictions were sufficient and we should be content.
Now who needs to read more carefully? Now who needs to read more carefully? You do. I already SAID that I realize that.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 16, 2021 22:37:40 GMT
You should point out what it is in those articles that YOU THINK says the above. I'm not going to read through all of those articles to try to determine what YOU THINK. You sure do spend a lot of time and effort dismissing and/or downplaying it all. You asked for exact verbiage and I did post quotes from the articles I initially linked about how police escalated the violence. I'm not going to read the articles for you. The 2nd quote - those are not my words. Sunshine wrote them. Your quotes -all of them- were written in your posts as if they were your words. If they're not your words you should put quotation marks to indicate you're quoting someone. In the second one I realize that your words indicate she said it. And nothing you supposedly quoted show that police response escalated the situation.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 16, 2021 22:28:37 GMT
I'm not going to trust information from a far right media source with a clear bias. They even openly admit their bias. www.allsides.com/news-source/daily-wirewww.npr.org/2021/07/19/1013793067/outrage-as-a-business-model-how-ben-shapiro-is-using-facebook-to-build-an-empireDaily Wire articles with headlines such as "BOOK REVIEW: Proof That Wokeness Is Projection By Nervous, Racist White Women Who Can't Talk To Minorities Without Elaborate Codes" regularly garner tens of thousands of shares for the site, and Shapiro is turning that Facebook reach into a rapidly expanding, cost-efficient media empire — one that experts worry may be furthering polarization in the United States. The articles The Daily Wire publishes don't normally include falsehoods (with some exceptions), and the site said it is committed to "truthful, accurate and ethical reporting." But as Settle explains, by only covering specific stories that bolster the conservative agenda (such as negative reports about socialist countries and polarizing ones about race and sexuality issues) and only including certain facts, readers still come away from The Daily Wire's content with the impression that Republican politicians can do little wrong and cancel culture is among the nation's greatest threats. Publicly the site does not purport to be a traditional news source. On its "About" page, the site declares, "The Daily Wire does not claim to be without bias," and goes on to say, "We're opinionated, we're noisy, and we're having a good time."I'm not going to trust information from a far right media source with a clear bias. You don't have to. That's why quoted from the DOJ inspector general Michael Horowitz’s report, just so you didn't have to depend on The Daily Wire.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 16, 2021 22:24:26 GMT
In many instances the police have been told "to stand down", have been told to not wear protective gear so as not to be intimidating and they didn't. They had fire starters thrown at them, bricks, frozen water bottles, etc. all while not wearing protective gear so they didn't "intimidate" the people that were there to intimidate them. Hundreds of police were injured in these peaceful protests. Hundreds. Please point out the exact verbiage in the link that show that police response escalated the situation. additional links time.com/5849839/police-brutality-george-floyd-protests-spreadsheet/www.nytimes.com/2021/03/20/us/protests-policing-george-floyd.htmlwww.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2020/08/usa-law-enforcement-violated-black-lives-matter-protesters-human-rights/www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/29/us-police-brutality-protestwww.wgbh.org/news/local-news/2020/12/23/police-escalated-violence-while-protesters-tried-to-incite-video-showswww.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/police-infiltration-protests-undermines-first-amendmentFrom the ones I initially posted www.radcliffe.harvard.edu/news-and-ideas/black-lives-matter-protesters-were-overwhelmingly-peaceful-our-research-findsPolice were reported injured in 1% of the protests. A law enforcement officer killed in California was allegedly shot by supporters of the far-right “boogaloo” movement, not anti-racism protesters. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/16/this-summers-black-lives-matter-protesters-were-overwhelming-peaceful-our-research-finds/In many instances, police reportedly began or escalated the violence, but some observers nevertheless blame the protesters. The claim that the protests are violent — even when the police started the violence — can help local, state and federal forces justify intentionally beating, gassing or kettling the people marching, or reinforces politicians’ calls for “law and order.” How the news media frame protests influences how the public perceives them. Ambiguous framings — such as those describing “clashes” between protesters and police — can convey false information about which side is violent. For instance, an extensive archive reveals that police themselves allegedly instigated a number of reported “clashes,” which also likely led to more arrests, participant injuries and possibly even property damage. police reportedly began or escalated the violence, — even when the police started the violence — You should point out what it is in those articles that YOU THINK says the above. I'm not going to read through all of those articles to try to determine what YOU THINK. Is justice always fair, absolutely not. However, immediate lashing out by rioting, looting, burning, attacking and killing before all of the facts can even be determined isn't the way. I'll never condone, justify or condone any of that.You sure do spend a lot of time and effort dismissing and/or downplaying it all.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 16, 2021 22:15:01 GMT
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 16, 2021 21:38:10 GMT
And as Merge pointed out and many of the articles that I linked showed that in some cases, the police response escalated the situation instead of de-escalating. In many instances the police have been told "to stand down", have been told to not wear protective gear so as not to be intimidating and they didn't. They had fire starters thrown at them, bricks, frozen water bottles, etc. all while not wearing protective gear so they didn't "intimidate" the people that were there to intimidate them. Hundreds of police were injured in these peaceful protests. Hundreds. Please point out the exact verbiage in the link that show that police response escalated the situation. Do you really think the arrest and conviction of 2 police officers is a sufficient response to the hundreds of black Americans, many of them unarmed that have been shot by the police? It wasn't a response to the hundreds of black Americans at all. It was a response to those 2 cases and those 2 cases only.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 16, 2021 21:27:42 GMT
What part are you calling phooey? That is literally, exactly what that witness said on the stand. Did you watch his testimony? I read his testimony and I watched the video of the chase not once but twice. And in my opinion it wasn’t self defense. He set off a chain of events that night that ultimately led to him shooting three people two of them who died. As much as he wants to portray it, he’s no victim. And he should be held accountable for his actions that night and not be given a pass because he cried and claimed he was a victim. He set off a chain of events that night that ultimately led to him shooting three people two of them who died. What is it that you think he did to set off the chain of events? Not your opinion of what he did, what did he do that is backed up by facts that it set off the chain of events?
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 16, 2021 21:26:58 GMT
When you're outnumbered 3 against one, with a mob forming behind the 3, they're also armed too, they threatened to kill him twice, he was bashed in the head with a skateboard twice, had a running kick to the face, (the guy was off the ground completely as his feet made contact to Kyle's face), they chased him, advanced on him and POINTED A GUN AT KYLE. On video. The "victim"/aggressor/witness for the prosecution testified that he only got shot after he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse and advanced on him. Also on video. It was self defense. Is it self defense if I break into my neighbor’s house and I only shoot him after he throws a brick at md and points a gun at me? Kyle crossed state lines with a weapon with the intent of indulging his absurd male power fantasy. How lucky for him that opportunity so miraculously presented itself. Who's house did Kyle break into? He did not cross state lines with a weapon. And you left out the part where they threatened to kill him several times, and attempted to do so, several times. On video.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 16, 2021 6:22:40 GMT
I'm not taking any side in the Rittenhouse trial. I've seen some pretty asshole memes on both sides. But what pisses me off about this is that anyone would even compare this to being transgender. No matter what side you stand on the issue of whether it was a murder or self defense, it's dirty to bring innocent people into it. And yeah, you can sit here and try to parse words all you'd like, pixiechick I'm looking at you, but there is no need to make every single issue a comparison to being transgender. It was a slam. And it was intended to be a slam by the "I'm not an asshole" who posted it. I'd be willing to put my bank account on the line that the person who posted it is a bigot. And chances are this wasn't their first meme to that effect. It's amazing the number of people I've just watched creep right out of the woodwork with slams against being transgender since my own child has come out. People are cruel. I'm willing to bet all my money that that person in fact, an asshole about gender fluid people. And when called will say, well, but not you...the others... 🙄 You're absolutely right. When I read his tweet on the other thread, I understood what he was TRYING to say. That's why I said what I said. But you're absolutely right, it was completely wrong to bring in innocent people into his point. I'm sorry I didn't see that until you pointed it out, but that's the good thing about having conversations. Thank you for taking the time, even though you were so mad, to civilly point it out to me. I'm really sorry, I will try to be more thoughtful about excusing such comparisons in the future.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 15, 2021 22:06:20 GMT
So my question is, how do we change our laws such that a person who unnecessarily puts themselves into a dangerous situation and then uses deadly force to "protect" themselves does not get away with murder? Can any of Kyle's supporters here see the potential for our current laws to continue be misused by people just looking to shoot someone? When you're outnumbered 3 against one, with a mob forming behind the 3, they're also armed too, they threatened to kill him twice, he was bashed in the head with a skateboard twice, had a running kick to the face, (the guy was off the ground completely as his feet made contact to Kyle's face), they chased him, advanced on him and POINTED A GUN AT KYLE. On video. The "victim"/aggressor/witness for the prosecution testified that he only got shot after he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse and advanced on him. Also on video. It was self defense.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 15, 2021 21:51:14 GMT
I’m guessing that’s a no. And I don’t understand what your question is supposed to mean. That’s not an element related in any way to self defense. I'm referring to the statement in the OP that Rittenhouse was "defending himself against murderers". The original tweet from Steven Crowder never called them murderers. It said: "If you accuse Kyle Rittenhouse of "faking tears" from being forced to relive the trauma of having to shoot violent, armed child-rapists and arsonists, but claim PTSD from being called the wrong pronouns ...you might be an asshole."
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 15, 2021 21:06:02 GMT
The meme is not against gay people. It's meant to say that if you can understand the trauma of being called by the wrong pronoun on purpose, you should be able to understand the trauma happening in a 17 year old brain that was in a situation where he thought he was going to die and the trauma of having killed 2 people and severely injuring a third.If you purposely choose to ignore that fact in order to make fun of him, you're no better than someone who refuses to honor your pronouns and who you are as a person. He went there to kill people. Your defence of him is inexcusable. No he didn't. Your statement is not backed up by the facts. I'm defending the right to self defense.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 15, 2021 18:30:02 GMT
The meme is not against gay people. It's meant to say that if you can understand the trauma of being called by the wrong pronoun on purpose, you should be able to understand the trauma happening in a 17 year old brain that was in a situation where he thought he was going to die and the trauma of having killed 2 people and severely injuring a third.
If you purposely choose to ignore that fact in order to make fun of him, you're no better than someone who refuses to honor your pronouns and who you are as a person.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 14, 2021 4:08:13 GMT
I was answering the question "why 2 people there to render aid, needed to be armed." My answer referring to David Dorn, stands. I was not aware of the pillow guy being a white supremacist either. As stated upthread "That’s not the issue. The issue is what does that have to do with his trial? He’s not on trial for being a racist. You can’t convict him because he’s racist. That’s not illegal." Rittenhouse went to help keep the car dealership and the cars from being burned to the ground. He was putting out fires set by the criminals and that's what set off the actual aggressors. (Like David Dorn who didn't protect himself and now he's dead) Putting out fires is not provoking conflict. They threatened to kill him twice, he was bashed in the head with a skateboard twice, had a running kick to the face, (the guy was off the ground completely as his feet made contact to Kyle's face), they chased him, advanced on him and pointed a gun at him. It was self defense. The video shows that. The "victim"/aggressor/witness for the prosecution testified that he only got shot after he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse. That is self defense. No matter how disgusting the beliefs of the one defending themselves are, they are still entitled to defend their life, when all they're doing is putting out literal fires and handing out band-aids or whatever he was doing with his med kit. He may be a stupid teenager with ignorant beliefs, but it was still self defense. The thing is that he was not equipped to be there. He was not trained to protect someone's property in a volatile situation. He went in, in his arrogance and delusion, the big man with the gun, thinking he could "help." He has no training in avoiding conflict. He has no training in de-escalation. In addition having no training in these things, there's evidence that his mindset was one of racial hostility toward the people protesting. He was, unfortunately, encouraged in his delusion by the local police department. He was a vigilante who, due to arrogance and hubris, ended up helping no one and instead killed two people. David Dorn's situation, while tragic, has nothing to do with this. He went in unarmed because he had a history and background in actual law enforcement and a commitment to his community to try to de-escalate those situations and keep young men out of prison. Yes, he paid the biggest price and it's tragic. But it's not remotely related to a young, arrogant punk named Kyle Rittenhouse who took a big gun into a volatile situation and made it worse. I guess to me it comes down to whether two wrongs make a right. Looting is wrong. The appropriate response is for law enforcement to use proven tactics to de-escalate the situation and restore peace. Sending in and encouraging armed vigilantes to "protect" properties is also wrong. That's not how our justice system works. Kyle made very stupid choices. The first, worst choice, was to be there at all. He didn't know what he was doing. He made things worse. People died. The fact that our legal system may well let him skate on that is not evidence of his innocence. It's evidence of the brokenness of our system. I don't disagree with a lot of that. I answered the question as what would make anyone take a gun into this situation. I'm not comparing David Dorn to Kyle Rittenhouse, I'm saying those are the things that would enter the mind of someone that would take a gun. I'm not asking you to agree with it as the right thing to do, I'm simply saying that's what comes to mind. It's the kind of thing that would make most people think to just stay away, but clearly hundreds of people thought otherwise. You can disagree with that mindset (I do) but that's the answer to the question. You're right, none of that is evidence of his innocence, but the video of them attacking him and WHEN he shot and the testimony from the prosecution's witness that Kyle did not shoot him until he was advancing on Kyle and pointed a gun at Kyle IS evidence that it was self defense.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 13, 2021 2:19:20 GMT
I hope the Prosecutors show up and have their case nailed down. This should be a slam dunk for a guilty verdict. IF the Prosecutor does his job.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 13, 2021 2:07:05 GMT
Yes that's why I said I was not aware of those pictures. What does who his bail was paid for have to do with anything? David Dorn was not armed in June and all he was doing was protecting the pawn shop. He's dead. David Dorn was a retired police officer who routinely responded to alarm calls at that shop, which was owned by his friend, not a random nobody who showed up uninvited in a city in another state with his rifle to "render aid." As for who paid his bail, when your biggest financial supporters are white supremacists, someone somewhere got the message that you're one, too. Rittenhouse was not just a disinterested third party trying to keep peace. I was answering the question "why 2 people there to render aid, needed to be armed." My answer referring to David Dorn, stands. I was not aware of the pillow guy being a white supremacist either. As stated upthread "That’s not the issue. The issue is what does that have to do with his trial? He’s not on trial for being a racist. You can’t convict him because he’s racist. That’s not illegal." Rittenhouse went to help keep the car dealership and the cars from being burned to the ground. He was putting out fires set by the criminals and that's what set off the actual aggressors. (Like David Dorn who didn't protect himself and now he's dead) Putting out fires is not provoking conflict. They threatened to kill him twice, he was bashed in the head with a skateboard twice, had a running kick to the face, (the guy was off the ground completely as his feet made contact to Kyle's face), they chased him, advanced on him and pointed a gun at him. It was self defense. The video shows that. The "victim"/aggressor/witness for the prosecution testified that he only got shot after he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse. That is self defense. No matter how disgusting the beliefs of the one defending themselves are, they are still entitled to defend their life, when all they're doing is putting out literal fires and handing out band-aids or whatever he was doing with his med kit. He may be a stupid teenager with ignorant beliefs, but it was still self defense.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 13, 2021 2:02:39 GMT
Am I correct that he was shot by the police? Not by armed vigilantes. No, you are not correct. He was shot by rioters and looters.
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