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Post by pixiechick on Nov 13, 2021 1:22:54 GMT
I was not aware of those pictures of him and what you say is correct. Didn't you ask why he was being called a racist? (and his charges are not about racism.). Should we also point out that his bail was paid by my pillow guy and others, and also paid for his representation. Its been an interesting case. Yes that's why I said I was not aware of those pictures. What does who his bail was paid for have to do with anything? It baffles us as we watch the trial why 2 people there to render aid, needed to be armed. David Dorn was not armed in June and all he was doing was protecting the pawn shop. He's dead.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 12, 2021 22:23:44 GMT
Throwaway account While you all should know who I am, I won't come up on a search with my regular username. Ok here goes. We own our home. It has appreciated in value quite a bit. I don't make nearly as much as dh does, but I want to keep my home. Loan is in dh's name. We paid down his debt so that we could qualify for the loan. The down-payment came from my family. I know this is stupid, but I want my home and am desperate to keep it. So technically I've never owned a home before since it is in dh's name. We also live in a rural area. Where do I start looking for someone to give me a loan to buy my own damn house? Just a little heads up, if your regular pea name comes up in a search, that may get whoever is looking here to look at other titles like this one and your D list title. I'd give them titles less likely to cause someone to look into the thread. Anyone who wants to follow can bookmark the thread. I'm really sorry you're going through this.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 12, 2021 22:12:47 GMT
There is something terrifyingly wrong with a country where someone who does what Kyle Rittenhouse did, is considered a victim and is then heroized by a decent amount of people, some of them prominent and/or elected officials. It is one thing to think that he made some really bad really choices and that he still *might* have somehow acted in self defense. It is quite another to lionize and defend it. 😨😵💫 No one here is lionizing him. They are looking at the chain of events and talking about what they actually know. Rittenhouse went to help keep the car dealership and the cars from being burned to the ground. He was putting out fires set by the criminals and that's what set off the actual aggressors. (Like David Dorn who didn't protect himself and now he's dead) Putting out fires is not provoking conflict. They threatened to kill him twice, he was bashed in the head with a skateboard twice, had a running kick to the face, (the guy was off the ground completely as his feet made contact to Kyle's face), they chased him, advanced on him and pointed a gun at him. It was self defense. The video shows that. The "victim"/aggressor/witness for the prosecution testified that he only got shot after he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse. That is self defense.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 12, 2021 21:23:34 GMT
I don’t think anyone disputes that he *is* a racist. That’s not the issue. The issue is what does that have to do with his trial? He’s not on trial for being a racist. You can’t convict him because he’s racist. That’s not illegal.
I was not aware of those pictures of him and what you say is correct.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 12, 2021 4:02:35 GMT
Unfuckingbelievable
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 12, 2021 3:52:33 GMT
The prosecuting attorney needs to be disbarred for trying to get a witness to change his statement.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 12, 2021 0:09:26 GMT
Kyle Rittenhouse is a racist punk who wanted to play God. Where does the racism come in? What has he done that makes you think he's a racist?
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 11, 2021 4:29:25 GMT
Here's the information I have for you: prosecutors are not used to having to be good at their jobs or pleasing the judge, often. They usually have the sympathy of the judge and are prosecuting someone without resources. It's a fact-based running joke among defense attorneys that prosecutors don't know how to cross-examine witnesses. Honestly what you are watching is a judge treating the prosecutor like they normally treat the defense attorney. We have to ask permission before we do absolutely everything or the judge will take our heads off. Also what you are seeing is that self-defense law in this country has gone far off of its original form, which was that if you provoked a conflict you could not claim self-defense. Anyhow, the thing is that the absolute best version of events here is that a minor with terrible judgment was driven by an adult with terrible judgment to a place he had no business being with a gun he had no business carrying, and is now being enabled by adults with a gross political agenda. No matter what happens here, I think it is going to be very difficult to rehabilitate him into a force for good. Did Rittenhouse provoke a conflict?
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 11, 2021 1:43:38 GMT
Defense is asking for a mistrial with prejudice, meaning Kyle walks free, no retry. What the hell!? That will provoke more rioting, imo. The prosecutors got in big trouble in court today. People should prepare for riots. I just don’t see a guilty verdict happening with the way the judge has worded things thus far and the laughably terrible job of the prosecution. Did you see the pictures of the prosecutor burying his face in his hands after witness testimony yesterday? You never, ever do that in court. The prosecutor absolutely sucks at his job. I just watched him question Rittenhouse and he accidentally proved that he wasn't just shooting at anyone who was shooting off their gun, but that he was only reacting to personal threats. That wasn't the prosecutor's intention. He was so focused on his line of questioning and steering it a certain way that I'm not even sure if he realized that he did that. If I had come in at that point I would have thought he was the defense.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 10, 2021 21:21:55 GMT
Well it’s nice that you provided a link but is it for all your “examples” you posted earlier or is this new? It's new. I posted it to you yesterday, but I think it got buried. It contains this:
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 10, 2021 18:39:06 GMT
I'm not really concerned with what anyone CALLS it. That isn't really the issue. What stands out to me is what the students and teachers are experiencing from whatever you want to call it, that they are employing in schools: "hostile culture of conformity and fear that has taken hold of our school""school’s ideology requires students to see themselves not as individuals, but as representatives of a group, forcing them to adopt the status of privilege or victimhood""This is the dominant and divisive ideology that is guiding our adolescent students.""In my classroom, I see up close how this orthodoxy hinders students’ ability to read, write, and think."
"Students have internalized the message that this is the way we read and think about the world, and as a result, they fixate on power and group identity. This fixation has stunted their ability to observe and engage with the full fabric of human experience in our literature. In our school, the opportunity to hear competing ideas is practically non-existent.""How can students, who accept a single ideology as fact, learn to practice intellectual curiosity or humility or consider a competing idea they’ve never encountered?"" How can students develop higher order thinking if they are limited to seeing the world only through the lens of group identity and power?" "these students have found comfort in their moral certainty, and so they have become rigid and closed-minded, unable or unwilling to consider alternative perspectives.""Of course, not all students are true believers. Many pretend to agree because of pressure to conform." "I’ve heard from students who want to ask a question but stop for fear of offending someone. I have heard from students who don’t participate in discussions for fear of being ostracized."
"One student did not want to develop her personal essay — about an experience she had in another country — for fear that it might mean that she was, without even realizing it, racist. In her fear, she actually stopped herself from thinking. This is the very definition of self-censorship."" the stifling conformity has only intensified. Last fall, two administrators informed faculty that certain viewpoints simply would not be tolerated during our new “race explicit” conversations with our new “anti-racist” work. They said that no one would be allowed to question the orthodoxy regarding “systemic racism.” The message was clear, and the faculty went silent in response."
" The reality is that fear pervades the faculty. On at least two separate occasions in 2017 and 2018, our Head of School, standing at the front of Hajjar Auditorium, told the entire faculty that he would fire us all if he could so that he could replace us all with people of color.""During a recent faculty meeting, teachers were segregated by skin color. Teachers who had light skin were placed into a “white caucus” group and asked to “remember” that we are “White” and “to take responsibility for [our] power and privilege.” D-E’s racial segregation of educators, aimed at leading us to rethink of ourselves as oppressors, was regressive and demeaning to us as individuals with our own moral compass and human agency." "DE claims that we teach students how to think, not what to think. But sadly, that is just no longer true." "I hope administrators and board members awaken in time to prevent this misguided and absolutist ideology from hollowing out D-E, as it has already hollowed out so many other institutions." Once again you put a lot of stuff out there but do not provide any actual proof what is being said is actually happening. People make all kinds of accusations but that doesn’t mean what they are saying is actually happening. That is why it’s important that what these folks are claiming is verified by outside sources. Has this happened? In any of the examples you provided above? LINK If you want to click on their links and see for yourself.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 10, 2021 16:20:11 GMT
I never said we had the right to know. It's not about your rights. Posts like this potentially taint any new members in the minds of others, and that is completely unfair. No-one has the right to know if a new poster had a previous ID or if so what it was: each should be judged on their own merits. I suggested that you'd get more respect if you admitted it yourself. Everyone here with a functioning brain knows that isn't true. Doesn't matter who I was, that isn't the issue you have with me, it's the opinions and facts I give under the pixiechick name. So deal with those, that's all you get. If you don't have enough to discredit me or vilify me as pixiechick, that ought to tell you something. Because we all know that's what this is all about. You don't care how much respect I get here. You aren't fooling anyone. I couldn't care less if you respect me or not. You can interact with pixiechick or scroll on by. Doesn't bother me either way.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 10, 2021 15:28:48 GMT
And I was talking about Congressional Republicans, not you. I would have thought that was obvious. When you're quoting and responding to people that specifically call out the "peas" for it, no it's not obvious you weren't also talking about the peas.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 10, 2021 14:24:20 GMT
I don’t even see where he apologized. It seemed that he just said it was a joke. Either way, I’m sure it will be let go just like all of the other things he and others have said or done that are threatening and vile. Those things are the Republican way. Totally agree. It's not an apology. But his party will consider it as such, and therefore the matter is finished. I don't consider his "apology" an apology.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 10, 2021 14:22:25 GMT
I think you’d get more respect here if you admitted your previous usernames. You’re not fooling anyone. That’s an action that speaks louder than words, too - your refusal to own all your history on this board. LINK to this post: That is not true, and almost as unhelpful as the OP. Posts like this potentially taint any new members in the minds of others, and that is completely unfair. No-one has the right to know if a new poster had a previous ID or if so what it was: each should be judged on their own merits.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 10, 2021 14:16:18 GMT
Abandoning the topic to lay out list of whatabouts is the very definition of deflection. The comments he made regarding Charlottesville can be interpreted a lot of ways. If his statement was unclear and led to misunderstanding, that’s on him. No they can't. Words mean things. Pretending they mean something else and mindreading doesn't make it reality. If a certain type of person is bound and determined to "misinterpret" that's on them. Also, as others have have pointed out, you and other conservatives on this board have remained silent about the indefensible statements by Republicans. No I have not. You either just flat out lie or you just don't care to know the truth when you need to smear the right. This was a disgusting event by a bunch of dumbass thugs who lost their minds. If they ever even had one to begin with. It was completely wrong and NEVER should have happened.
LINK I personally commented 6 times on Jan 6. I think another commented 4 times.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 10, 2021 11:09:40 GMT
I didn't know about the Paul Gosar thing until IamKristin posted about him in another thread. It was disgusting and inappropriate and I hope the House Ethics committee and the secret service pay him a visit and drag him through it like they did with Kathy Griffin. For someone in his position to do that is so wrong and he should know better. The fact that he didn't speaks volumes about him.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 10, 2021 7:12:13 GMT
I'm not really concerned with what anyone CALLS it. That isn't really the issue. What stands out to me is what the students and teachers are experiencing from whatever you want to call it, that they are employing in schools: "hostile culture of conformity and fear that has taken hold of our school""school’s ideology requires students to see themselves not as individuals, but as representatives of a group, forcing them to adopt the status of privilege or victimhood""This is the dominant and divisive ideology that is guiding our adolescent students.""In my classroom, I see up close how this orthodoxy hinders students’ ability to read, write, and think."
"Students have internalized the message that this is the way we read and think about the world, and as a result, they fixate on power and group identity. This fixation has stunted their ability to observe and engage with the full fabric of human experience in our literature. In our school, the opportunity to hear competing ideas is practically non-existent.""How can students, who accept a single ideology as fact, learn to practice intellectual curiosity or humility or consider a competing idea they’ve never encountered?"" How can students develop higher order thinking if they are limited to seeing the world only through the lens of group identity and power?" "these students have found comfort in their moral certainty, and so they have become rigid and closed-minded, unable or unwilling to consider alternative perspectives.""Of course, not all students are true believers. Many pretend to agree because of pressure to conform." "I’ve heard from students who want to ask a question but stop for fear of offending someone. I have heard from students who don’t participate in discussions for fear of being ostracized."
"One student did not want to develop her personal essay — about an experience she had in another country — for fear that it might mean that she was, without even realizing it, racist. In her fear, she actually stopped herself from thinking. This is the very definition of self-censorship."" the stifling conformity has only intensified. Last fall, two administrators informed faculty that certain viewpoints simply would not be tolerated during our new “race explicit” conversations with our new “anti-racist” work. They said that no one would be allowed to question the orthodoxy regarding “systemic racism.” The message was clear, and the faculty went silent in response."
" The reality is that fear pervades the faculty. On at least two separate occasions in 2017 and 2018, our Head of School, standing at the front of Hajjar Auditorium, told the entire faculty that he would fire us all if he could so that he could replace us all with people of color.""During a recent faculty meeting, teachers were segregated by skin color. Teachers who had light skin were placed into a “white caucus” group and asked to “remember” that we are “White” and “to take responsibility for [our] power and privilege.” D-E’s racial segregation of educators, aimed at leading us to rethink of ourselves as oppressors, was regressive and demeaning to us as individuals with our own moral compass and human agency." "DE claims that we teach students how to think, not what to think. But sadly, that is just no longer true." "I hope administrators and board members awaken in time to prevent this misguided and absolutist ideology from hollowing out D-E, as it has already hollowed out so many other institutions." Once again you put a lot of stuff out there but do not provide any actual proof what is being said is actually happening. People make all kinds of accusations but that doesn’t mean what they are saying is actually happening. That is why it’s important that what these folks are claiming is verified by outside sources. Has this happened? In any of the examples you provided above? LINK If you want to click on their links and see for yourself.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 10, 2021 5:34:46 GMT
Moving those goal posts again. Missing the forest for the trees again. And a convenient deflection from the overwhelming evidence that former ignored the rise and danger of white supremecists and refused to condemn them. That's not deflection, that's responding on point to what YOU were talking about while also pointing out that you are unable to deal with being wrong. I notice you had to erase what I said in order to make your incorrect point. YOUR deflection statement wouldn't stand up to scrutiny if you had left my quotes in. Gosar openly embracing white supremacy and issuing death threats against the president and members of Congress. Silence when MTG posted anti-Semitic comments. Silence when the former president through his actions and words supported white supremacy and on multiple occasions, refused to condemn it. They remain silent or in some cases, defend all of those politicians because they have an R after their name. Just as they were quick to condemn Cuomo but remain silent about Matt Gaetz. Anything goes if you’re a Republican but Democrats get held to a higher standard. The hypocrisy is unbelievable. That is the epitome of deflection from the topic.^ The hypocrisy is unbelievable.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 10, 2021 1:55:15 GMT
In comparison, former said there were good people on both sides and never apologized for those comments. That's been debunked. Even by Politifact. His actual words: “Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.” “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”“Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”
So, now that you know... stop spreading misinformation. I don’t care about the number of times he read a statement prepared by someone else. Or the number of times he “denounced” them. Moving those goal posts again.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 10, 2021 1:28:09 GMT
You pretending to read his mind in order to claim he meant something other that the actual words he used, doesn't change the words, the meaning of them, or reality. You trying to do that is absolutely twisting. So it would seem you deemed it necessary. The only way the words he said mean something different than the words actual meaning is for you to pretend. My name is pixiechick. To call me someone else is rude. But to call me by someone's name that you've already successfully vilified only shows your desperate need to vilify. It reveals that you don't have enough faith in your twisting of reality. If you need to vilify ME you can do it by basing it on MY posts. Oh, Gia. You never disappoint. As does your need to rely on personal smears when you know your statements are nothing but hogwash.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 9, 2021 23:50:27 GMT
“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.” He denounced them. I just find it so interesting that the “good” protestors trying to protect Robert E Lee’s monument felt comfortable mixing with Neo-Nazis. I cannot imagine any “cause” that would make me protest with them. But that’s me.I have a strange aversion to Nazis. Guess everyone is just different.👀 At least 38 times he disavowed and people are still trying to defy reality and say that he refuses to disavow and that Youngkin should condemn him for never disavowing racism and hate and apologize for him. It's irrational.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 9, 2021 23:45:35 GMT
Absolutely no twisting. Remember in the debate when he was asked to tell white supremecists to stand down? He clearly told them to stand by and stand back, he refused to denounce them. I don’t care what other statements he or his press secretaries made. They’re outweighed by his refusals to denounce them. When he’s asked a clear, direct, simple question and has an opportunity to denounce them, he refuses to do it. He undeniably refused to condemn them. “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.” He denounced them.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 9, 2021 23:41:39 GMT
Absolutely no twisting. Remember in the debate when he was asked to tell white supremecists to stand down? He clearly told them to stand by and stand back, he refused to denounce them. I don’t care what other statements he or his press secretaries made. They’re outweighed by his refusals to denounce them. When he’s asked a clear, direct, simple question and has an opportunity to denounce them, he refuses to do it. He undeniably refused to condemn them. “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.” He denounced them.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 9, 2021 23:40:37 GMT
He undeniably differentiated them in his statement. No matter how you twist them, the words he used, clearly show that he is not calling white supremacists, white nationalists, or racists, "good people". He undeniably condemns them. Because he’s trying to have his cake and eat it too. No twisting necessary. Now matter how arduously you defend him, Gia, he’ll never love you. You pretending to read his mind in order to claim he meant something other that the actual words he used, doesn't change the words, the meaning of them, or reality. You trying to do that is absolutely twisting. So it would seem you deemed it necessary. The only way the words he said mean something different than the words actual meaning is for you to pretend. My name is pixiechick. To call me someone else is rude. But to call me by someone's name that you've already successfully vilified only shows your desperate need to vilify. It reveals that you don't have enough faith in your twisting of reality. If you need to vilify ME you can do it by basing it on MY posts.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 9, 2021 22:39:14 GMT
Yes they did: From the article: His actual words: “Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.” “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”“Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”
So, now that you know... stop spreading misinformation. Semantics. I know, you know, and Trump knows too, that there is no difference between white nationalists and people on the "keep Confederate statues from the Jim Crow era up in our town square" side of that debate. He wants to keep the support of the white nationalists but also disavow them. He undeniably differentiated them in his statement. No matter how you twist them, the words he used, clearly show that he is not calling white supremacists, white nationalists, or racists, "good people". He undeniably condemns them.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 9, 2021 6:40:58 GMT
But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. There are NO FINE PEOPLE on the side of Nazis. Ur welcome. He didn’t say on the side of Nazis. He said on both sides of the statue removal debate. YOU are welcome.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 9, 2021 5:12:10 GMT
So we're just supposed to take your word for it that McAuliffe or his staff tweeted something? I saw it and I don't give a rip roarin' fuck what you believe. Initially you claimed his campaign was involved so forgive me if I don't believe you. No, I did not. You have a problem with saying I said something I never said and even when you're told and shown the exact quote you still keep repeating your twisted version of it. You're doing it on purpose, you're not that dumb. Stop pretending you are. Let's say he did tweet something? Surely someone took a screen shot? You'd think. Yes they did: From the article: His actual words: “Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.” “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”“Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”
So, now that you know... stop spreading misinformation.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 9, 2021 5:01:36 GMT
You ask for verifiable proof from me, I give it. You say, one teacher is not enough. I give other teachers, a students' and a parents' experience For future reference: anecdotes are not "verifiable proof". You really need to look into what it takes to "prove" something. X number of anecdotes ain't it. The scientific method - look into it if you're going to play pretend expert. I'm pretty sure the expert on someone's own experiences is that person. I provided video of people giving their testimony on their own experiences. Take it or leave it, I don't really care. It's just interesting that you all provide anecdotes all day long every damn day and you just take it as gospel to the conversation. No one asks you for proof and then moves the goal post at every thing provided. Double standard noted. Makes honest conversation non existent.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 9, 2021 4:15:00 GMT
In comparison, former said there were good people on both sides and never apologized for those comments. That's been debunked. Even by Politifact. the Republican Party’s embrace of those values, and Glenn Youngkin’s failure to condemn it,” No need for him to condemn something that isn't even true.
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