seaexplore
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Post by seaexplore on Oct 24, 2020 5:08:36 GMT
A friend at work and I were talking today... she's all excited that theaters are opening for 25% capacity and cannot wait to go. I asked her if that was really a smart thing to do. She said, "Well, yes, I mean it's 25% capacity so people are spread out and you have to wear a mask unless you're eating/drinking." I replied.... "Theaters can seat 400 people, so you'll be in a room for over 2 hours with around 100 people. Most of whom will rip their mask off as soon as they possibly can because they're in the dark and no one can see them. All breathing the same air. Then all the theaters are probably sharing the same ventilation system so how many theaters are open in that venue? Is it really worth it?" She sat there and stared at me for a minute and said, "yes, I think it's worth it." Then I said, "Well, then, if you come in contact and get it (and she cut me off with "I would not get it most likely") and I continued "and you get it and you don't know you have it and go grocery shopping, then you go to "family night" with your "family" who are friends who are seeing other friends, and you give it to them, then you come to school and yes, even tho we are wearing a mask, transmission can happen, and you give it to a kid in your class and they take it home and kill their elderly grandparent. How would you feel?" She didn't have an answer other than, "Well, 96% of people survive and most of those cases are really mild and only last a few days." I just sighed. She doesn't get it. I can no longer eat lunch in my classroom with her. We have to eat outside if we're going to be together and talk. She's doing things that I am not ok with the risk level. Thankfully many of my fellow staff members feel the same as I do and we are very respectful of each other. We know who doesn't do as they're supposed to do.  Kids come back Nov.9 face to face- we do not have Plexiglas dividers for teacher areas, I still do not have a smart board for my students who are remote to see my lessons I'm teaching in class. We currently have some students on class (RSP and do nothings) and many of them can't even follow the rules. I fully plan on getting Covid for Thanksgiving or Christmas. Need to up my life insurance. |
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Post by Night Owl on Oct 24, 2020 5:23:35 GMT
No way am I missing out on anything fun as long as risk is forced on my house anyway. I had to double check this wasn't a parody account. WTF?! |
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Post by J u l e e on Oct 24, 2020 16:03:49 GMT
“Well, yes, I mean it's 25% capacity so people are spread out and you have to wear a mask unless you're eating/drinking." Two people I work with were talking with about having to sit for a really long flight wearing a mask. One guy said, “On my last flight I brought a bag of pretzels and slowly ate them for the entire flight. You don’t have to wear a mask if you’re eating. I made sure I had a pretzel in my hand the whole time so I never had to wear my mask.” Some people’s very nature is to find a work around for everything, no matter what they’re being asked to do. |
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Post by seaexplore on Oct 24, 2020 16:12:58 GMT
“Well, yes, I mean it's 25% capacity so people are spread out and you have to wear a mask unless you're eating/drinking." Two people I work with were talking with about having to sit for a really long flight wearing a mask. One guy said, “On my last flight I brought a bag of pretzels and slowly ate them for the entire flight. You don’t have to wear a mask if you’re eating. I made sure I had a pretzel in my hand the whole time so I never had to wear my mask.” Some people’s very nature is to find a work around for everything, no matter what they’re being asked to do. Yep. I just can’t understand this mentality when in an enclosed space. Sigh. I’m kinda guilty of this in that I eat as I’m walking from place to place OUTSIDE on campus with NO kids and I can avoid people. |
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Post by pierogi on Oct 24, 2020 17:47:39 GMT
No way am I missing out on anything fun as long as risk is forced on my house anyway. I had to double check this wasn't a parody account. WTF?! We all wish it was. |
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Post by Sharon on Oct 24, 2020 23:03:49 GMT
No way am I missing out on anything fun as long as risk is forced on my house anyway. I had to double check this wasn't a parody account. WTF?! I'm confused. That is a quote from 2014. What is wrong with it? |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 24, 2020 23:05:27 GMT
I had to double check this wasn't a parody account. WTF?! I'm confused. That is a quote from 2014. What is wrong with it? The quote functions sometimes give bad dates when quoting. The quote was from 2020. |
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Post by gar on Oct 24, 2020 23:05:37 GMT
I had to double check this wasn't a parody account. WTF?! I'm confused. That is a quote from 2014. What is wrong with it? Board glitch again? |
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Oct 25, 2020 9:14:23 GMT
A friend at work and I were talking today... she's all excited that theaters are opening for 25% capacity and cannot wait to go. I asked her if that was really a smart thing to do. She said, "Well, yes, I mean it's 25% capacity so people are spread out and you have to wear a mask unless you're eating/drinking." I replied.... "Theaters can seat 400 people, so you'll be in a room for over 2 hours with around 100 people. Most of whom will rip their mask off as soon as they possibly can because they're in the dark and no one can see them. All breathing the same air. Then all the theaters are probably sharing the same ventilation system so how many theaters are open in that venue? Is it really worth it?" She sat there and stared at me for a minute and said, "yes, I think it's worth it." Then I said, "Well, then, if you come in contact and get it (and she cut me off with "I would not get it most likely") and I continued "and you get it and you don't know you have it and go grocery shopping, then you go to "family night" with your "family" who are friends who are seeing other friends, and you give it to them, then you come to school and yes, even tho we are wearing a mask, transmission can happen, and you give it to a kid in your class and they take it home and kill their elderly grandparent. How would you feel?" She didn't have an answer other than, "Well, 96% of people survive and most of those cases are really mild and only last a few days." I just sighed. She doesn't get it. I can no longer eat lunch in my classroom with her. We have to eat outside if we're going to be together and talk. She's doing things that I am not ok with the risk level. Thankfully many of my fellow staff members feel the same as I do and we are very respectful of each other. We know who doesn't do as they're supposed to do. Kids come back Nov.9 face to face- we do not have Plexiglas dividers for teacher areas, I still do not have a smart board for my students who are remote to see my lessons I'm teaching in class. We currently have some students on class (RSP and do nothings) and many of them can't even follow the rules. I fully plan on getting Covid for Thanksgiving or Christmas. Need to up my life insurance. I bolded the text above. Here's something you can show your co-worker, if you're still talking to her. According to the article below, the global recovery rate is less than 68%. I knew it wasn't as high as 96% but that figure shocked me. www.rappler.com/newsbreak/fact-check/trump-says-people-recover-from-covid-19 |
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Post by hop2 on Oct 25, 2020 13:12:07 GMT
I was required to go back to In person work in August. For me in person work means seeing 50-150 different people each week. Yes that puts me at risk. BUT it also puts everyone around me at risk. Therefore I have to curb my outside of work interactions. Why the hell would I go gather with friends on weekends because the risk is ‘already forced into my house’ when I could be the asymptomatic carrier? Because I have go to work I am the increased risk, I am the risk factor. I can’t rightly go socializing with other people. That means I’m CHOOSING to put my friends, family, & neighbors at risk. Wow what kind of person does that?
That just a big “Fuck you family, friends, & neighbors, If risk is forced into my house I’m just gonna bring that risk to all of you!” Anyone who does that is selfish.
I will not see family outside my household for the holidays, well for any reason, unless I can spend 2 weeks not working in the field. I think I have it figured out for the holidays but I can’t be sure until then. Until I’m sure I can’t go socializing with a clear conscience.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 13:28:46 GMT
A friend at work and I were talking today... she's all excited that theaters are opening for 25% capacity and cannot wait to go. I asked her if that was really a smart thing to do. She said, "Well, yes, I mean it's 25% capacity so people are spread out and you have to wear a mask unless you're eating/drinking." I replied.... "Theaters can seat 400 people, so you'll be in a room for over 2 hours with around 100 people. Most of whom will rip their mask off as soon as they possibly can because they're in the dark and no one can see them. All breathing the same air. Then all the theaters are probably sharing the same ventilation system so how many theaters are open in that venue? Is it really worth it?" She sat there and stared at me for a minute and said, "yes, I think it's worth it." Then I said, "Well, then, if you come in contact and get it (and she cut me off with "I would not get it most likely") and I continued "and you get it and you don't know you have it and go grocery shopping, then you go to "family night" with your "family" who are friends who are seeing other friends, and you give it to them, then you come to school and yes, even tho we are wearing a mask, transmission can happen, and you give it to a kid in your class and they take it home and kill their elderly grandparent. How would you feel?" She didn't have an answer other than, "Well, 96% of people survive and most of those cases are really mild and only last a few days." I just sighed. She doesn't get it. I can no longer eat lunch in my classroom with her. We have to eat outside if we're going to be together and talk. She's doing things that I am not ok with the risk level. Thankfully many of my fellow staff members feel the same as I do and we are very respectful of each other. We know who doesn't do as they're supposed to do. Kids come back Nov.9 face to face- we do not have Plexiglas dividers for teacher areas, I still do not have a smart board for my students who are remote to see my lessons I'm teaching in class. We currently have some students on class (RSP and do nothings) and many of them can't even follow the rules. I fully plan on getting Covid for Thanksgiving or Christmas. Need to up my life insurance. I bolded the text above. Here's something you can show your co-worker, if you're still talking to her. According to the article below, the global recovery rate is less than 68%. I knew it wasn't as high as 96% but that figure shocked me. www.rappler.com/newsbreak/fact-check/trump-says-people-recover-from-covid-19It also depends on how that % was worked out. Are they recovered enough, not to die, to leave hospital, return to work, showing negative test, the list goes on. So many permutations of how countries will class someone as being recovered. I have no doubt that even that figure will be adjusted in time when the long Covid affect will be taken into consideration. At the moment it is to early to have those figure because no one truly knows the long term affect that it will have on many. As for the rest of the discussion on this thread. No one needs to have a written rule or have anyone else to have to tell them to use their rule of common sense when dealing with a virus who itself doesn't have any rules to abide by. We're not toddlers needing to be spoon fed common sense. Just because there isn't a written/mandated rule doesn't mean that there are no moral/common sense " rules" A virus, any virus, will only spread if f we, the people will allow it to. That needs everyone to start using the rule of common sense to break that chain. The less people you closely interact with the less likely you are to come into contact with the red figure in the image below. Wearing a mask, thoroughly and diligently washing your hands and keeping your social distancing will also lessen the risk of that red person infecting you. Don't be the red figure in this either, with your casual disregard to others around you, in turn the black figures will be safer. Keep that R rate down. Otherwise at some point along that transmission chain, many more will overwhelm our hospitals and inevitable many more will die. The main reason that it is still spreading in countries like the US or returning to other countries that have managed to get it to a controllable lever in the past is because people have become complacent and not continued to consider the risk that affect the actions they are taking now. We're in this for a very long time and at least until possibly mid 2021 when we can hopefully have a vaccine, note I said hopefully as there is no guarantee as yet. Does it suck? of course it does but it's better than the loss of families and friends because we've been selfish in wanting life to continue as we have always been used to.  |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 25, 2020 14:15:03 GMT
"If" "If" "If" If wishes were dimes, I'd be rich. We had a period of time in the US where EVERYBODY stayed home. It was unreal the compliance. What good did it do? Not much. You know, it's not like I'm zooming around hanging out in crowds and swapping germs with all and sundry. I don't know anyone that is doing that. I'm staying home as much as I can possibly, do, I am washing my hands and wearing my freaking mask. It's what I see everyone do. In my area, compliance is quite high. And guess what? STILL our cases are climbing. As they are everywhere - compliant and non-compliant areas alike. This is all out of our hands, for the most part. I know it's scary to acknowledge that. When exactly was that? I don’t ever recall a time when every state truly locked down. Some states did a lot more to attempt to contain the virus early on than others. Compliance was pretty high here and still is. The leadership in other states did almost nothing and are still doing almost nothing. Viruses are gonna virus. The infections from the non-compliant areas are spilling over into the compliant areas because even the best efforts to mitigate the spread are imperfect. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Oct 25, 2020 15:42:55 GMT
Lol. I live close to the Italian border. I guess you can persuade yourself or others that Italy "did everything right" if you didn't witness the summer season they had and the amount of unmasked people meeting friends and family left and right (as happend in other EU countries). It's the unfortunate boldness of having flattened the curve due to harsh measures that worked in spring. You get complacent afterwards. It was a typical social response to the very encouraging results from the national lockdown measures. Alas, all the virus wasn't gone and started spreading again.
Meanwhile, the US who didn't take national measures didn't manage to flatten the curve as a country. I mean, hehehe, OP.
Mask up, stay safe, practice social distancing, etc. It works as the severe drop in coronavirus infections and Covid-19 deaths in Europe at the end of spring show. Just prepare yourself to the fact that it's only a temporary victory.
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 26, 2020 2:51:57 GMT
"If" "If" "If" If wishes were dimes, I'd be rich. We had a period of time in the US where EVERYBODY stayed home. It was unreal the compliance. What good did it do? Not much. You know, it's not like I'm zooming around hanging out in crowds and swapping germs with all and sundry. I don't know anyone that is doing that. I'm staying home as much as I can possibly, do, I am washing my hands and wearing my freaking mask. It's what I see everyone do. In my area, compliance is quite high. And guess what? STILL our cases are climbing. As they are everywhere - compliant and non-compliant areas alike. This is all out of our hands, for the most part. I know it's scary to acknowledge that. Jan 31 Trump orders 1st quarantine in 50 years USA Today Biden's lie that Trump did nothing doesn't seem to be holding up to scrutiny. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 26, 2020 3:03:53 GMT
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Post by dewryce on Oct 26, 2020 3:54:35 GMT
aj2hall I just wanted to say that I appreciate all of the time you have spent providing sources for us to back up what you and others are saying.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 26, 2020 3:57:48 GMT
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 26, 2020 4:01:33 GMT
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Post by lucyg on Oct 26, 2020 4:10:28 GMT
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 26, 2020 4:21:37 GMT
From Fact Check.orgThe documents show that most of the CDC staffers let go were Chinese nationals — contrary to Biden’s claim that President Donald Trump had “brought home the vast majority of them.”
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Post by lucyg on Oct 26, 2020 4:25:23 GMT
From Fact Check.orgThe documents show that most of the CDC staffers let go were Chinese nationals — contrary to Biden’s claim that President Donald Trump had “brought home the vast majority of them.” Were they U.S. employees reporting back to the U.S. CDC? Yeah, thought so. But back in those days, it was more important to steal every last dollar from “non-essential” government services in order to direct it towards Trump’s wall (that blew over in a stiff wind). |
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Post by prapea on Oct 26, 2020 4:31:35 GMT
What in the ever loving fuck....is Biden the President right now? No?
Did he ignore a pandemic and caused millions of people to die? No?
Then please, stfu, mask up and stay the fuck home before you all kill more people with your fucking stupidity and stupid ass articles
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 26, 2020 5:16:05 GMT
From Fact Check.orgThe documents show that most of the CDC staffers let go were Chinese nationals — contrary to Biden’s claim that President Donald Trump had “brought home the vast majority of them.” Were they U.S. employees reporting back to the U.S. CDC? Yeah, thought so. But back in those days, it was more important to steal every last dollar from “non-essential” government services in order to direct it towards Trump’s wall (that blew over in a stiff wind). And yet the scientists still dispute that he didn't act early enough. |
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Post by lucyg on Oct 26, 2020 6:04:34 GMT
Were they U.S. employees reporting back to the U.S. CDC? Yeah, thought so. But back in those days, it was more important to steal every last dollar from “non-essential” government services in order to direct it towards Trump’s wall (that blew over in a stiff wind). And yet the scientists still dispute that he didn't act early enough. 4% of the world’s population. 20% of the world’s deaths. And he’s still in denial ... along with, apparently, his followers. If you can find a scientist who isn’t on his payroll and isn’t trying to make a good impression on him who still claims he’s done a good job on the pandemic, let me know. I don’t think any exist. Mostly because it is patently apparent he has f*cked this up, right from the get-go. |
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 26, 2020 11:03:44 GMT
And yet the scientists still dispute that he didn't act early enough. 4% of the world’s population. 20% of the world’s deaths. And he’s still in denial ... along with, apparently, his followers. If you can find a scientist who isn’t on his payroll and isn’t trying to make a good impression on him who still claims he’s done a good job on the pandemic, let me know. I don’t think any exist. Mostly because it is patently apparent he has f*cked this up, right from the get-go. So we're supposed to listen to the experts Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx -except when they debunk the bogus claims about Trump not doing anything at all, or he did something but not early enough, or or not listening to them. Then all of a sudden they are not trustworthy? Sure. |
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Post by pyccku on Oct 26, 2020 13:02:08 GMT
The thing about Drs. Fauci and Birx is that they have an end goal with the virus - they want people to be safe, and they want to minimize the death and suffering of Americans as much as possible. They took an oath to do no harm. But they work for an infantile moron who doesn't like being told no. They're straddling a very fine line between doing what they know is medically and scientifically correct and not pissing off the guy who will fire them if his feelings are hurt. That's got to be tough, knowing that if you upset the guy in charge, innocent people may very well die.
On the other hand, we have people here who don't have any such responsibility and aren't dependent upon supporting a moron in order to keep their jobs. Nope, they're willing to kiss his butt for free. Not saving any lives, not bringing home a paycheck, not helping to further the cause of controlling the pandemic - and yet still willing to throw away their credibility and self-respect for some guy who doesn't care one bit about them.
I guess everyone needs a hobby.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 13:09:52 GMT
I've come to the conclusion that those folks that want to risk COVID exposure are
a) Wealthy or at least have $50k - 100k in their bank account to cover any medical costs
b) Super healthy tri-athletes that don't have any pre-existing medical conditions that would put them in the higher risk category
c) have blood type 0; again lower risk
d) have access to healthcare where they will get treatment before they can't breathe and are guaranteed an ICU bed no matter if they are available or not
e) are really really good cooks - because missing Turkey for one year /or even having Turkey for one year but not with their extended family will shorten their life expectancy
f) are a Marvel super hero that can go into a room with Ebola and not catch it - cos they go super fast and can hold their breath for hours at a time......
g) Their family members also have a through f
IF NOT.....oh well .. At least I hope they have a) .
From the NY Times
"Health economists are only starting to understand the full costs of coronavirus treatment, just as scientists are mapping out how the disease works and spreads. They do have some early estimates: The median charge for a coronavirus hospitalization for a patient over 60 is $61,912, according to a claims database, FAIR Health.
That figure includes any medical care during the hospital stay, such as an emergency room visit that led to admission or drugs provided by the hospital.
For insured patients, that price would typically be negotiated lower by their health plan. FAIR Health estimates that the median amount paid is $31,575. That amount, like most things in American health care, varies significantly from one patient to another.
In the FAIR Health data on coronavirus patients over 60, a quarter face charges less than $26,821 for their hospital stay. Another quarter face charges higher than $193,149, in part because of longer stays.
Many, but not all, health insurers have said they will not apply co-payments or deductibles to patients’ coronavirus hospital stays, which could help shield patients from large bills."
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Post by Merge on Oct 26, 2020 13:36:13 GMT
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Post by Really Red on Oct 26, 2020 13:39:39 GMT
And yet the scientists still dispute that he didn't act early enough. 4% of the world’s population. 20% of the world’s deaths. And he’s still in denial ... along with, apparently, his followers. If you can find a scientist who isn’t on his payroll and isn’t trying to make a good impression on him who still claims he’s done a good job on the pandemic, let me know. I don’t think any exist. Mostly because it is patently apparent he has f*cked this up, right from the get-go. So, not that I'm not on your side completely lucyg, but I don't quite believe those numbers. I think there are seriously vastly unreported deaths in China and other third world countries. There are very few countries where I believe their numbers. That doesn't make a difference at all in how poorly I think we're doing, but I don't think the difference is that bad. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 26, 2020 15:02:19 GMT
I think China could have been more forthcoming in December and early January. Trump did "something" when he banned travelers from Wuhan, but it was an extremely limited response and not adequate in any way shape or form. I happened to have relatives traveling in Asia in February. The measures being taken in other countries during that time were much, much more extensive. They cut their trip short for fear that they would be stuck in Asia. They were shocked to arrive in the US directly from Asia, with absolutely no protocols to screen passengers. And frankly it was the lack of banning travelers from Europe that hit New York so hard. That doesn't even scratch the surface of the fiasco that was our PPE coordination.
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Kids come back Nov.9 face to face- we do not have Plexiglas dividers for teacher areas, I still do not have a smart board for my students who are remote to see my lessons I'm teaching in class. We currently have some students on class (RSP and do nothings) and many of them can't even follow the rules. I fully plan on getting Covid for Thanksgiving or Christmas. 
