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Post by amom23 on Mar 9, 2021 20:17:46 GMT
So ALL cops should be targeted?? Just for the record I don't think what DC did was right but it would have never happened if GF would have stayed in the car! Stayed in the car?  . George Floyd was going to be removed from the car one way or another. There is no way he wasn’t at least going to be questioned about trying to pass of a fake $20 bill at the Cup Market. That is what started this mess in the first place. Over $20. Don't forget that it was proven that most of us would have had no idea we were in possession of a fake bill of any denomination. So it was more than likely George didn't know either. But I'm damn sure the cops wouldn't have treated me (blonde hair - blue eyes) the same way as they did poor George.  My BIL is a lawyer and works for the judge over seeing this case. Talk about some long hours. Everyone just hopes justice will prevail. |
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 9, 2021 20:17:53 GMT
The Minneapolis Police Department squad car has been in storage at the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension garage pending this trial. One day a couple months ago, Nelson, along with the other defense attorneys and some staff members, went there to look over the car. Inside, Nelson said they spotted some chewed up pills and a full pill. And the state tested them. "They are in fact methamphetamine and fentanyl, and they contain the DNA of George Floyd," Nelson said. The implication is that the drugs were in Floyd's mouth, and he spit them out when the former officers were trying to place him in the police car. The state has given no explanation how the BCA could have missed that potential evidence. Nelson brought it up Monday in the course of arguing for the 2019 arrest of George Floyd to be allowed as evidence, which Judge Peter Cahill said he most likely will not allow it. But the drug evidence itself will likely play a key role in Chauvin's defense. They plan on claiming Floyd died of a drug overdose rather than from Chauvin's knee on Floyd's neck. In December, the BCA had to search Floyd's car a second time, because they failed to collect some pieces of evidence. According to a search warrant, they ended up finding fentanyl and meth. For FFS, there is no way I believe this wasn't planted.  And how could GF die of an overdose if he spat out the drugs?  He died because there was a knee on his neck obstructing his ability to breath.  |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Mar 9, 2021 20:37:36 GMT
There is a "hypothetical" posed in many criminal law courses: If a man is suicidal and jumps from a building, but he is intentionally shot as he falls, is it murder?
I believe the answer is yes, if the shot killed him before he hit the ground.
So even if Floyd was dying of an overdose, if Chauvin kneeled on his neck "with malice" and hastened his death, then it is murder. Just like if a nurse decides to give a terminal patient an overdose to speed things along, it is murder if the overdose is the cause of death.
You don't get a pass for murderous behavior just because you pick a victim that was "going to die anyway."
In this case, the medical examiner was clear that the cause of death was the neck compression. Yes, he had enough drugs that could have caused his death, and if he had been found dead in his home with no evidence of a different cause of death, then it would have been an overdose.
If Chauvin had actually shot him instead of kneeling on his neck, would they still claim that the excessive drugs were the cause of death? I doubt it (although I wouldn't put it past them). Chauvin's choice of weapon (knee vs. gun) doesn't make any difference in the eyes of the law.
And yet, I imagine there will be someone on the jury who buys the overdose theory.
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Post by Laurie on Mar 9, 2021 20:59:43 GMT
This should be an open and shut case. Chauvin was wrong. Period.
I do think when it comes to the Minneapolis police department Chauvin isn't the only bad one of the bunch. We go to Minneapolis frequently and there has been more than one occasion where dh has had us lost and was going to do a u-turn or other some minor traffic infraction and I always told him not to do it because the police here don't fuck around (pardon my language). This was a few years ago and I was able to gather that from living in SD and reading different news stories/facebook posts.
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Post by Olan on Mar 11, 2021 18:38:32 GMT
A third charge of 3rd degree murder was reinstated today.
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Post by flanz on Mar 11, 2021 20:35:08 GMT
There are more than a few on this very board who are addicted to pain pills and other meds. If they go to the store and a cop kills them they would also have drugs in their system. Does that mean that they deserved to die? Or that the cop should get off? I know this is rhetorical, but I believe the answer would vary based on the color of their skin. I am fairly confident that as a white woman I could be high on PCP and waving a gun around a police station parking lot and I would be in less danger then a black person walking down a street. This is an ugly truth. I agree and it sickens me, but it is true. White people get away with even murder.... GRRRR |
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Post by flanz on Mar 11, 2021 20:36:30 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if the toxicology report is fake. It's hard to believe many things any more due to rampant corruption.
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Post by flanz on Mar 11, 2021 20:37:09 GMT
A third charge of 3rd degree murder was reinstated today. This is a great development. I wish it were higher but it's a hopeful step. Praying for conviction and harsh sentence! |
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Post by Olan on Mar 20, 2021 2:23:32 GMT
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Post by grammanisi on Mar 30, 2021 21:25:03 GMT
Has anyone else been watching?
It is so traumatic just seeing it on tv. I imagine how the witnesses are feeling. Especially the 9yo girl that testified today.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 30, 2021 21:37:49 GMT
Has anyone else been watching? It is so traumatic just seeing it on tv. I imagine how the witnesses are feeling. Especially the 9yo girl that testified today. I watched a little of it when I was home. I had a hard time understanding the line of questioning and why the defense was asking what they were. |
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Post by naby64 on Mar 30, 2021 21:43:41 GMT
I only saw parts of it yesterday. It has had some very hard moments to watch. And some infuriating moments. I almost screamed at the TV when Chauvin's attorney was giving Mr. Floyd's drug/medical history. And attributing all that to his death. Uh no, he may have had all of that but he would not have died if a knee was not on his neck.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 30, 2021 21:44:56 GMT
I was not trilled they put the little one on the stand!
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Post by Really Red on Mar 30, 2021 21:46:44 GMT
It's sort of like "Hey. I shot you 7 times, but you died from the drugs." The prosecution did some good things yesterday. The defense? Not so much. Ignoring the tape was stunning.
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Post by uksue on Mar 30, 2021 22:03:02 GMT
I’m just watching the female fire officer testifying - I don’t know how she’s keeping her patience with that defence guy trying to twist things.
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Post by myboysnme on Mar 30, 2021 22:07:55 GMT
Incredible witnesses. That EMT firefighter is a bad ass and she even got herself reprimanded by the judge because she took every opportunity to say Mr Floyd was murdered. I personally want to see the murderer killed the same way in prison.
I am not a physician or nurse, but I worked as a medical provider for almost 30 years, and everything the EMT described about Mr Floyd's medical situation is exactly what one would expect to see as a person's life leaves their body. I had no doubt he was murdered right in front of her. I now believe as she said, that he probably was paralyzed before he passed and possibly died because his spinal cord was compressed at a high level. He likely would never ever have breathed on his own if he had been allowed medical care. I worked on a spinal cord injury unit for almost 20 years. I believe that murderer compressed his spinal cord beyond the ability to live, not just cut off his airway.
I don't believe in God with any true faith, but if there is God, if there is justice, if there is anyone in a position to do something about this torture and murder that occurred last year, then please let every officer involved in this suffer the same fate.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Mar 30, 2021 22:13:31 GMT
I am not a physician or nurse, but I worked as a medical provider for almost 30 years, and everything the EMT described about Mr Floyd's medical situation is exactly what one would expect to see as a person's life leaves their body. I had no doubt he was murdered right in front of her. I now believe as she said, that he probably was paralyzed before he passed and possibly died because his spinal cord was compressed at a high level. He likely would never ever have breathed on his own if he had been allowed medical care. I worked on a spinal cord injury unit for almost 20 years. I believe that murderer compressed his spinal cord beyond the ability to live, not just cut off his airway. That's not what I believe 2 autopsies said. I'm sure that will brought up numerous times. That is why they are going after the drug OD excuse so hard, due to no evidence saying there was any cord compression. They feel they can get away with it due to that. |
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Post by Delta Dawn on Mar 30, 2021 22:13:35 GMT
There are more than a few on this very board who are addicted to pain pills and other meds. If they go to the store and a cop kills them they would also have drugs in their system. Does that mean that they deserved to die? Or that the cop should get off? Benzodiazepines but yes. |
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Post by chaosisapony on Mar 30, 2021 22:15:42 GMT
I feel for the EMT that just testified. You can tell she was getting so frustrated. It would be very hard to sit up there and have to listen to the defense attorney attempt to discredit you, twist things around, and then be told by the Judge that he will decide when you have answered the question fully. She did a great job and I totally admire her.
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Post by DEX on Mar 30, 2021 22:19:09 GMT
My son is a police officer in a suburb of Mpls. He was talking to a long time defense attorney who said that one of the things the prosecution will have to get over is that placing a knee on someone’s neck has been part of the training for Mpls. cops for years. Doesn’t make it right but his own police department trained him in that technique.
As far as the drugs found later in the back of the police car being planted...not likely. The car was impounded and sealed until the MN Bureau of Crime lab investigated. Problem was they waited so long to inspect it. One of the things that will come out in the trial is that George Floyd was arrested a year ago for drugs. In the video he is shown to be showing signs of overdose and paramedics were called. He tried to spit out the drugs in the back of the squad car that time.
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Post by femalebusiness on Mar 30, 2021 22:22:27 GMT
I’m just watching the female fire officer testifying - I don’t know how she’s keeping her patience with that defence guy trying to twist things. I am watching too. I thought she was a great witness. She is very intelligent and defense guy is having a very difficult time trying to make her look not credible. She is rock solid. |
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 30, 2021 22:26:35 GMT
I watched a bit yesterday, it was excruciating to watch. I really hope justice is served.
Any idea how long testimony will take?
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Post by mom on Mar 30, 2021 22:34:07 GMT
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 30, 2021 22:44:42 GMT
My son is a police officer in a suburb of Mpls. He was talking to a long time defense attorney who said that one of the things the prosecution will have to get over is that placing a knee on someone’s neck has been part of the training for Mpls. cops for years. Doesn’t make it right but his own police department trained him in that technique. As far as the drugs found later in the back of the police car being planted...not likely. The car was impounded and sealed until the MN Bureau of Crime lab investigated. Problem was they waited so long to inspect it. One of the things that will come out in the trial is that George Floyd was arrested a year ago for drugs. In the video he is shown to be showing signs of overdose and paramedics were called. He tried to spit out the drugs in the back of the squad car that time. I don’t care how high he was. Or that they are trained in that technique. It was very clear that they had control over him and keeping him in that position was not necessary. They kept telling him to get in the car but how could he with them on top of him? Complete power trip on their part. Also, if he was showing signs of overdose it seems that should have made them more likely to be careful with him than less. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Mar 30, 2021 22:58:32 GMT
Dex is just explaining what the defense is going for.
I think the trial will go faster then they think. They thought picking a jury was going to take a month it took 11 days.
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Post by SockMonkey on Mar 30, 2021 23:14:45 GMT
I'm following the trial through Twitter, but not watching.
And this, this broke me today.
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Post by moodyblue on Mar 30, 2021 23:17:25 GMT
I'm following the trial through Twitter, but not watching. And this, this broke me today. It was an incredibly powerful moment. There were so many people who were trying to help, to save a man's life. Some were very young and I can imagine this will haunt everyone who was there. |
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 30, 2021 23:30:36 GMT
I'm following the trial through Twitter, but not watching. And this, this broke me today. It was an incredibly powerful moment. There were so many people who were trying to help, to save a man's life. Some were very young and I can imagine this will haunt everyone who was there. Yes. So many people who tried to help and intervene. And they were ignored or threatened themselves by the other officers. |
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 30, 2021 23:31:02 GMT
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Post by peano on Mar 30, 2021 23:37:02 GMT
Imagine a Black 17-year-old girl standing up to police. She has done everything she could have done in this instance by filming. How devastating for her to feel that way. I hope she finds comfort in a just verdict.
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. George Floyd was going to be removed from the car one way or another. There is no way he wasn’t at least going to be questioned about trying to pass of a fake $20 bill at the Cup Market. That is what started this mess in the first place. Over $20.
