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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 19:15:33 GMT
They function is the same. That system doesn’t leave room for good cops. And before anyone asks yes that includes Black police officers.
Being pulled over for tags in a pandemic where DMVs aren’t even open still causes no one to scratch their chin and think hmm maybe the problem is police in Black communities period.
How about this! For one month just don’t police Black communities. When I was a kid racist white people used to say “Just leave em they will all kill themselves anyway” haven’t heard that line of thought in a while.
Sounds perfect. No police for a month and they either sit home with no pay or go do the same type of traffic stops and work over on white communities.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 13, 2021 19:15:50 GMT
Police are “supposed” to be the ones trained to stay calm, diffuse, etc. but they’re the ones doing the killing. A normal fear reaction is flight. Black males fear for their lives just for existing. Totally agree! Seems like they need a lot more training for this. And continued education even if they are a veteran! It appears that the MN police need 100% replacement. Systemic racism is not “just a few bad apples”. Republicans/Conservatives are quick to cry that “it’s not guns that kill, it’s bad guys with guns”...well there ya go—they’re located within the MN police dept. get them and do something that is real change. Their $$$$$ in recent training is failing. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 19:41:46 GMT
It does when it's mis-information. The whole pulled over for an air freshener, isn't true. I totally get what you guys are saying, that black people are pulled over much more, and the pulling out of guns. But do you guys think it's ok for someone to resist arrest? to run? so police should just let them go? and then send them a notice in the mail? How often do you think that person with a warrant out for their arrest pays that fine then? How should someone resisting arrest be handled? should they just be let go? Police are “supposed” to be the ones trained to stay calm, diffuse, etc. but they’re the ones doing the killing. A normal fear reaction is flight. Black males fear for their lives just for existing. Have you personally reached out to your local law enforcement and shared those concerns? |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 13, 2021 21:50:52 GMT
What they need today is not accept her resignation. Let her face charges. Let her lose her pension or a good portion of it.
Supposedly in some places when a cop retires they have to state that they are NOT facing charges, otherwise the pension is held until there is an outcome. You technically not collect your full pension if you have been charged with crimes etc.
Often why/how bad cops and other civil servants resign and collect their pensions. Of course that is with management cooperation.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 13, 2021 22:36:44 GMT
Police are “supposed” to be the ones trained to stay calm, diffuse, etc. but they’re the ones doing the killing. A normal fear reaction is flight. Black males fear for their lives just for existing. Have you personally reached out to your local law enforcement and shared those concerns? More than once, yes. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 22:39:28 GMT
Have you personally reached out to your local law enforcement and shared those concerns? More than once, yes. Keep at it. You’ve been consistent at many a thing. By many I mean being antagonistic to me. Glad to see you keep that same energy. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 14, 2021 3:17:59 GMT
Keep at it. You’ve been consistent at many a thing. By many I mean being antagonistic to me. Glad to see you keep that same energy. You stay the same—keep at it—a disingenuous person who changes her posts, tweaking the words, changing the context after a comment or a like. At least you’re consistent with something, you’ve been doing the same thing for many years here. Since you’re into repeating your own dishonest history, I snapped a photo of your post before you changed it.  I knew it was a mistake to even respond to you. Cue up your excuses. I’m sure that you’ll blame this on me for calling out your dishonestly. Per usual. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 14, 2021 15:30:09 GMT
wtop.com/maryland/2021/04/md-attorney-general-moves-to-dismiss-lawsuit-claiming-cover-up-of-anton-blacks-death/amp/Another Black man killed. Same medical examiner. The Biden admin decided against the National Police oversight commission they promised Black voters. The Maryland Attorney General’s Office has filed a motion to dismiss a lawsuit from the family of Anton Black claiming the medical examiner tried to cover up his death in his autopsy report. Black, 19, died while in police custody on the Eastern Shore in September 2018. Black’s family filed a lawsuit last December saying the office did not release its findings in Black’s death until Gov. Larry Hogan intervened. In a new motion to dismiss filed in Maryland District Court, the Attorney General’s office defends the actions of Dr. Russell Alexander, who performed the autopsy, former chief medical examiner Dr. David Fowler and current chief medical examiner Dr. Victor Weedn. The general attorney’s office is representing the medical examiner’s officer in the matter. Fowler is set to testify for the defense in the Minneapolis murder trial of former police officer Derek Chauvin on Wednesday, who is charged with killing George Floyd. Black’s family claims excessive force and racial bias led to their son’s death by “positional asphyxiation,” and allege a cover-up involving the state medical examiner and police personnel from the Eastern Shore towns of Greensboro, Ridgley and Centreville. For example, the family’s lawsuit claims the medical examiner failed to release its toxicology report showing Black did not have drugs in his system because it would have contradicted the police narrative that he did.
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Post by pierogi on Apr 14, 2021 16:50:24 GMT
It doesn't matter if black people stay in the car, get out of the car, stay, try to run away, try to drive away. As we've seen just in this past year, they will be killed regardless. The police seem to escalate these situations. They make excuses to pull over black men. In this case, they know that states are behind in sending out tabs during the pandemic. It should have been a non issue, as should the air freshener. And the misdemeanor warrant, yes, send a citation out in the mail. ETA Now, I am not saying every police officer, but far too many. Especially in the Minneapolis area. I keep going back to the Michael Brown case. A child whose name was dragged through the mud on this board after being killed by the Ferguson cop. He and his friend were just walking in the road when the cop followed them and pulled a gun. Within minutes, Michael was dead. I never believed the cop's ridiculous story about the kid trying to grab his gun - it was just so over-the-top unbelievable. Then later the excuses flowed in for his death such as: he was using teh marijuana! He was accused of shoplifting! Neither of which are capital offenses in this country. Unless you're black I guess. There were a million different ways for the cop to handle the situation against two unarmed kids, none of which involve a deadly weapon. Yet the onus was on the kids to manage and diffuse the situation, which is unacceptable and frankly, impossible. If a cop doesn't see you as a human being, your life is in danger long before they pull you over. If a cop doesn't see you as a human being, they won't consider reasonable alternatives (talking, warnings, citations, etc) to killing you. |
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Post by luckyexwife on Apr 14, 2021 17:09:37 GMT
It doesn't matter if black people stay in the car, get out of the car, stay, try to run away, try to drive away. As we've seen just in this past year, they will be killed regardless. The police seem to escalate these situations. They make excuses to pull over black men. In this case, they know that states are behind in sending out tabs during the pandemic. It should have been a non issue, as should the air freshener. And the misdemeanor warrant, yes, send a citation out in the mail. ETA Now, I am not saying every police officer, but far too many. Especially in the Minneapolis area. I keep going back to the Michael Brown case. A child whose name was dragged through the mud on this board after being killed by the Ferguson cop. He and his friend were just walking in the road when the cop followed them and pulled a gun. Within minutes, Michael was dead. I never believed the cop's ridiculous story about the kid trying to grab his gun - it was just so over-the-top unbelievable. Then later the excuses flowed in for his death such as: he was using teh marijuana! He was accused of shoplifting! Neither of which are capital offenses in this country. Unless you're black I guess. There were a million different ways for the cop to handle the situation against two unarmed kids, none of which involve a deadly weapon. Yet the onus was on the kids to manage and diffuse the situation, which is unacceptable and frankly, impossible. If a cop doesn't see you as a human being, your life is in danger long before they pull you over. If a cop doesn't see you as a human being, they won't consider reasonable alternatives (talking, warnings, citations, etc) to killing you. I put this in a different thread, but it fits here too. I read this this morning, and I was speechless: From new friend David Gray: "I need to drive my two-year-old to daycare tomorrow morning. To ensure we arrive alive, we won't take public transit (Oscar Grant). I removed all air fresheners from the vehicle and double-checked my registration status (Daunte Wright), and ensured my license plates were visible (Lt. Caron Nazario). I will be careful to follow all traffic rules (Philando Castille), signal every turn (Sandra Bland), keep the radio volume low (Jordan Davis), and won't stop at a fast food chain for a meal (Rayshard Brooks). I'm too afraid to pray (Rev. Clementa C. Pickney) so I just hope the car won't break down (Corey Jones). When my wife picks him up at the end of the day, I'll remind her not to dance (Elijah McClain), stop to play in a park (Tamir Rice), patronize the local convenience store for snacks (Trayvon Martin), or walk around the neighborhood (Mike Brown). Once they are home, we won't stand in our backyard (Stephon Clark), eat ice cream on the couch (Botham Jean), or play any video games (Atatiana Jefferson). After my wife and I tuck him into bed around 7:30pm, neither of us will leave the house to go to Walmart (John Crawford) or to the gym (Tshyrand Oates) or on a jog (Ahmaud Arbery). We won't even walk to see the birds (Christian Cooper). We'll just sit and try not to breathe (George Floyd) and not to sleep (Breonna Taylor)." These are things white people simply do not have to think about." -David Gray |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 14, 2021 18:43:19 GMT
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Post by hop2 on Apr 14, 2021 19:15:17 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 14, 2021 20:11:23 GMT
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Post by hop2 on Apr 14, 2021 20:21:44 GMT
Yeah he was identified in the video I linked. Scary shit. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 14, 2021 20:32:30 GMT
Reading the whole thing and comprehension helps!  hop2 |
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Post by hop2 on Apr 14, 2021 20:42:19 GMT
Reading the whole thing and comprehension helps! hop2I mean the guy went out of his way to be as passive as possible and the jerk wouldn’t leave him alone Scary shit |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 14, 2021 20:52:48 GMT
Dr. Fowler, CYA, to go with what Dr Martin Tobin said about the time of death. 4 min ago Forensic pathologist: Floyd had a seizure after he lost consciousness Expert defense witness Dr. David Fowler testified that he observed George Floyd have a seizure after he lost consciousness on May 25, 2020. Asked by defense attorney Eric Nelson to describe the seizure, Fowler said he observed "a small amount of twitching and/or extension of a body part" by Floyd. He said this is common where people experience "certain cardiac events" as well as in a situation where "the brain not getting enough oxygen." www.cnn.com/us/live-news/derek-chauvin-trial-04-14-21/index.htmlI did not like this guy! |
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Post by edie3 on Apr 14, 2021 21:13:38 GMT
Me either. Doesn't seem to be worth the $350 an hour, either! |
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Post by moodyblue on Apr 14, 2021 21:32:41 GMT
Me either. Doesn't seem to be worth the $350 an hour, either! I only heard pieces of his testimony, but I was not impressed. |
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Post by naby64 on Apr 15, 2021 16:44:31 GMT
So the defense has rested. Now prosecuting gets to rebut. I haven't been too involved in trials in the past. Does this seem like a very short amount of time for the defense? Do they feel like they have it in the bag and no more time is needed? OR do they just not have anything/anyone else to help make his case?
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Post by DEX on Apr 15, 2021 16:49:04 GMT
There only needs to be one juror who votes not to convict Chauvin. I think the defense is counting on having that one juror. That is my concern that there will be a hung jury and he will have to be tried again. In my opinion, the prosecution did a great job and worked hard to convict. It just takes one person to muddy the water.
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Post by peasquared on Apr 15, 2021 17:43:00 GMT
Sadly, I don't have much faith in ALL the jurors seeing the facts that were presented.
I was on a jury once where we had the defendant's road rage crime and threat right on the 911 call, for all of us to hear. One juror was adamant that he didn't believe he did it. How much more proof does it take?
I am praying this jury is successful in finding him guilty.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 21:15:10 GMT
Sadly, I don't have much faith in ALL the jurors seeing the facts that were presented. I was on a jury once where we had the defendant's road rage crime and threat right on the 911 call, for all of us to hear. One juror was adamant that he didn't believe he did it. How much more proof does it take? I am praying this jury is successful in finding him guilty. You are right that one juror can mess it up. But... let me tell you my experience: I have only mentioned to TPs a couple of times about the trial for the man that attacked me. The trial itself took three weeks. There was DNA evidence. I spent a day and a half on the stand giving my testimony. In the end, he was convicted and got life! Thank God! He brutally attacked 3 other women but my case was the only conviction, perhaps because of the DNA. About 5 or 6 months after the trial ended, I was walking out of a grocery store. I heard my name...but it was my maiden name (in the trial, my maiden name was used). I turned around and the person who called me was not someone I recognized. The woman told me.."you may not remember me, but I was one of the jurors in the trial for the man that attacked you." I STILL get chills remembering that moment quite honestly. She spent the next 20 minutes telling me what went on in the jury room. When the judge sent the jury to deliberate, they hadn't been out long. Maybe one hour and a half tops. They claimed they were a hung jury. The judge was pissed and told them they had not deliberated for long enough and to go back and deliberate more. Evidently, one young woman refused to convict the guy because she fell asleep during my testimony. The other jurors were SO convinced of his guilt that they refused to let her go so easy. They went back through the ENTIRE trial and the evidence until she agreed he was guilty. I am hoping that justice will truly prevail for Floyd and his family. It's time for healing to begin and justice must be given for that to happen. |
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Post by DEX on Apr 15, 2021 21:25:23 GMT
Sadly, I don't have much faith in ALL the jurors seeing the facts that were presented. I was on a jury once where we had the defendant's road rage crime and threat right on the 911 call, for all of us to hear. One juror was adamant that he didn't believe he did it. How much more proof does it take? I am praying this jury is successful in finding him guilty. You are right that one juror can mess it up. But... let me tell you my experience: I have only mentioned to TPs a couple of times about the trial for the man that attacked me. The trial itself took three weeks. There was DNA evidence. I spent a day and a half on the stand giving my testimony. In the end, he was convicted and got life! Thank God! He brutally attacked 3 other women but my case was the only conviction, perhaps because of the DNA. About 5 or 6 months after the trial ended, I was walking out of a grocery store. I heard my name...but it was my maiden name (in the trial, my maiden name was used). I turned around and the person who called me was not someone I recognized. The woman told me.."you may not remember me, but I was one of the jurors in the trial for the man that attacked you." I STILL get chills remembering that moment quite honestly. She spent the next 20 minutes telling me what went on in the jury room. When the judge sent the jury to deliberate, they hadn't been out long. Maybe one hour and a half tops. They claimed they were a hung jury. The judge was pissed and told them they had not deliberated for long enough and to go back and deliberate more. Evidently, one young woman refused to convict the guy because she fell asleep during my testimony. The other jurors were SO convinced of his guilt that they refused to let her go so easy. They went back through the ENTIRE trial and the evidence until she agreed he was guilty. I am hoping that justice will truly prevail for Floyd and his family. It's time for healing to begin and justice must be given for that to happen. I am so sorry for what you went though. I can not even imagine your terror. I appreciate your telling of your story. |
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Post by edie3 on Apr 15, 2021 21:28:28 GMT
I was watching Court TV today and they flipped out when they asked that pulmologist a question. Had something to do with carbon monoxide. Why was that?
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Post by DEX on Apr 15, 2021 21:40:49 GMT
I was watching Court TV today and they flipped out when they asked that pulmologist a question. Had something to do with carbon monoxide. Why was that? Honestly, there was no evidence that the squad car was running. The defense is trying to show that he died from drugs and now carbon monoxide. In my opinion died from the force on his neck. There is no evidence from others to support the defense claim. |
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Post by edie3 on Apr 15, 2021 21:44:00 GMT
there was no evidence that the squad car was running But one of the commentators mentioned a mistrial, like the pulmologist said something he wasn't supposed to. |
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Post by peasquared on Apr 15, 2021 22:43:26 GMT
Sadly, I don't have much faith in ALL the jurors seeing the facts that were presented. I was on a jury once where we had the defendant's road rage crime and threat right on the 911 call, for all of us to hear. One juror was adamant that he didn't believe he did it. How much more proof does it take? I am praying this jury is successful in finding him guilty. You are right that one juror can mess it up. But... let me tell you my experience: I have only mentioned to TPs a couple of times about the trial for the man that attacked me. The trial itself took three weeks. There was DNA evidence. I spent a day and a half on the stand giving my testimony. In the end, he was convicted and got life! Thank God! He brutally attacked 3 other women but my case was the only conviction, perhaps because of the DNA. About 5 or 6 months after the trial ended, I was walking out of a grocery store. I heard my name...but it was my maiden name (in the trial, my maiden name was used). I turned around and the person who called me was not someone I recognized. The woman told me.."you may not remember me, but I was one of the jurors in the trial for the man that attacked you." I STILL get chills remembering that moment quite honestly. She spent the next 20 minutes telling me what went on in the jury room. When the judge sent the jury to deliberate, they hadn't been out long. Maybe one hour and a half tops. They claimed they were a hung jury. The judge was pissed and told them they had not deliberated for long enough and to go back and deliberate more. Evidently, one young woman refused to convict the guy because she fell asleep during my testimony. The other jurors were SO convinced of his guilt that they refused to let her go so easy. They went back through the ENTIRE trial and the evidence until she agreed he was guilty. I am hoping that justice will truly prevail for Floyd and his family. It's time for healing to begin and justice must be given for that to happen. OMG how awful for you to have to 1) go through the attack and 2) endure a trial and all that it brings up. I'm so sorry allipeas! I'm thankful that your jury took the time to go through it all again and convict him! I can only imagine how alarmed and then relieved you were when this lady approached you. I wish every juror was like her and gave it all her full attention. I'm praying justice will prevail,too! Take care, sweet pea friend! |
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Post by grammanisi on Apr 15, 2021 22:47:34 GMT
So the defense has rested. Now prosecuting gets to rebut. I haven't been too involved in trials in the past. Does this seem like a very short amount of time for the defense? Do they feel like they have it in the bag and no more time is needed? OR do they just not have anything/anyone else to help make his case? I also thought that the defense time was really short. |
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Post by peasapie on Apr 15, 2021 23:26:49 GMT
It doesn't seem as if the defense has much to work with. The other day they showed a 10+ minute video of nonsense as their evidence.
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