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Post by jillonthehill on Mar 30, 2021 23:52:46 GMT
I'm afraid that no matter what the verdict is, parts of Minneapolis will be destroyed. It will be by the same people that came to Minneapolis last time with the only intention of causing chaos.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 31, 2021 0:45:37 GMT
For what it is worth: Medical examiner report added to former MPD officers' defense in George Floyd case Handwritten notes of a law enforcement interview with Dr. Andrew Baker, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, say Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his system. "If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an OD. Deaths have been certified with levels of 3," Baker told investigators. Except he was alive and breathing without distress until someone decided to kneel on his neck. But I fear this officer will get away with killing him because of this. This. He was alive and breathing. Until he wasn't BECAUSE of Chavin.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 31, 2021 0:47:44 GMT
Has anyone else been watching? It is so traumatic just seeing it on tv. I imagine how the witnesses are feeling. Especially the 9yo girl that testified today. I watched a little of it when I was home. I had a hard time understanding the line of questioning and why the defense was asking what they were. The defense only has to sow doubt and confusion. The prosecution has the burden to prove his guilt.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Mar 31, 2021 1:13:13 GMT
I'm afraid that no matter what the verdict is, parts of Minneapolis will be destroyed. It will be by the same people that came to Minneapolis last time with the only intention of causing chaos. IDK they have things pretty locked down and heavy military support this time. I’m just worried civilians will get hurt/killed this x
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Post by cindyupnorth on Mar 31, 2021 1:13:34 GMT
I watched a little of it when I was home. I had a hard time understanding the line of questioning and why the defense was asking what they were. The defense only has to sow doubt and confusion. The prosecution has the burden to prove his guilt. Exactly!
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Post by edie3 on Mar 31, 2021 3:31:42 GMT
He was an excellent witness, in my opinion. He was cool calm and collected no matter how hard they tried to anger him.
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Post by chaosisapony on Mar 31, 2021 3:55:06 GMT
I missed his testimony but I have been reading a lot about it today, thanks for the link. I can't seem to figure out what is on his undershirt though, do you know what it says?
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Post by Olan on Mar 31, 2021 4:09:20 GMT
It reads Black Excellence.
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Post by chaosisapony on Mar 31, 2021 4:15:47 GMT
Oh that's awesome.
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Post by Olan on Mar 31, 2021 4:18:28 GMT
He was an excellent witness, in my opinion. He was cool calm and collected no matter how hard they tried to anger him. I thought so too! The whole being painted out to be angry whilst people ignore the very pressing issue making you angry is very triggering for me. “I said what I said.” coined by NeNe Leakes was so fitting for that line of questioning. To be Black is to be gaslight constantly it seems. It’s been my signature for the last 4-5 years and I’m not even a Real Housewives fan.
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Post by candleangie on Mar 31, 2021 4:45:41 GMT
No, that is not what I hear her saying. I heard that Target did nothing to deserve that. Cops did. That is just a fact. Anger should be directed at those who deserve it. I should probably just ignore you, because I can see where this is heading, but it sure as hell isn’t one bad cop. How many cops witnessed DC murder George Floyd? So ALL cops should be targeted?? Just for the record I don't think what DC did was right but it would have never happened if GF would have stayed in the car! Are you seriously implying that it’s acceptable for there to be FATAL consequences for getting out of a police car without permission? Please tell me you’re not. Because that consequence is horribly out of proportion to what he did wrong.....
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Post by Olan on Mar 31, 2021 13:56:39 GMT
So ALL cops should be targeted?? Just for the record I don't think what DC did was right but it would have never happened if GF would have stayed in the car! Are you seriously implying that it’s acceptable for there to be FATAL consequences for getting out of a police car without permission? Please tell me you’re not. Because that consequence is horribly out of proportion to what he did wrong..... It’s just like decades past. Regardless of presumed innocence or punishment matching the “crime” most people are perfectly fine with death being the consequence for Black citizens. Hundreds of dead Black bodies don’t move anyone into action because we are comfortable seeing Black people harmed. It’s almost like society has no real empathy/sympathy for Black people. “On March 31, 1914, a white lynch mob in Wagoner County, Oklahoma, seized a 17-year-old Black teenaged girl named Marie Scott from the local jail, dragged her screaming from her cell, and hanged her from a nearby telephone pole. Days before, a young white man named Lemuel Pierce was stabbed to death while he and several other white men were in the city's "colored section"; Marie was accused of being involved. The Associated Press wire report and accounts published by Northern papers explained that the group of white men had ventured into the Black residential area to sexually assault Black women and attempted to rape Marie Scott. According to some of these accounts, Marie stabbed Pierce in self-defense; in others, Marie's brother killed Pierce in an effort to defend her, and Marie was only arrested and lynched because her brother escaped. Local press reports, on the other hand, didn't say anything about why the white youth were in the Black neighborhood or what they did while there, and simply claimed that Marie Scott stabbed Pierce unprovoked and in cold blood. For generations of Black women, racial terror included the constant threat of sexual assault and a complete lack of legal protection. The same communities that lynched and legally executed Black men for the scarcest allegations of sexual contact with white women regularly tolerated and excused white men’s sexual attacks against Black women and girls. Given this history, Marie Scott may have been among the many Black women targeted for sexual violence during this era by white men who knew that they would face no judgment or consequences for rampaging her community. Whether she acted in her own defense or was protected by her brother, Marie Scott died at the hands of a mob, the victim of a society that devalued her life and body; deprived her of the chance to defend herself at trial; and denied her right to be free from rape, fear, and racial terror” I knew by the dehumanizing way the peas talked about other Black men and women killed by police that America had an issue seeing Black people as fully human. And that was going to be the biggest hurdle of this particular foot race. If Philando Castile was a white man killed in front of his child we would have never heard the end of it but because society somehow thinks Black children and Black women are “strong” enough to keep burying their fathers no one intervenes and more people die every year. “Experts said Floyd's killing also helped humanize Black people in the minds of White people.” "George Floyd turned Black men into human beings for White people, and he did that by calling out for his mother," Janet Helms, a Boston College professor of counseling and psychology, has told CNN. "Covid made White people sit and look at the murder of George Floyd. They couldn't get away from it, especially White women. ... They became aware they were allowing this to happen." amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/03/30/us/witness-derek-chauvin-trial/index.html
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Post by myboysnme on Mar 31, 2021 14:13:32 GMT
That's not what I believe 2 autopsies said. I don't believe much of anything in this case except that Mr Floyd was murdered by that so called officer in the street in front of people (other officers) who refused to help and in front of innocent bystanders who were not allowed to because they would have been arrested themselves, if not worse.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 31, 2021 15:22:48 GMT
No, that is not what I hear her saying. I heard that Target did nothing to deserve that. Cops did. That is just a fact. Anger should be directed at those who deserve it. I should probably just ignore you, because I can see where this is heading, but it sure as hell isn’t one bad cop. How many cops witnessed DC murder George Floyd? So ALL cops should be targeted?? Just for the record I don't think what DC did was right but it would have never happened if GF would have stayed in the car! Philando Castile stayed in the car...
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Post by Olan on Mar 31, 2021 17:31:29 GMT
And then we were comfortable with the police discharging a weapon in a car that held a woman and small child. So yeah natural progression is what I’m seeing in George Floyd’s case what about everyone else?
The Philando Castile was recently bumped and I’m sure everyone saw how far removed from the tragedy most of the conversation was. Hearing Diamond and her daughter didn’t pull any pea heart strings. America’s either because how many died at the hands of police after him? No legislative changes. No white led protests. No stop anti-black hate ads. 🤷🏾♀️That’s why I say we are comfortable with Black suffering.
I still believe the reason Philando Castile got a license to carry was to protect the school he worked at. No ones mind could go there because cannabis use means you are a horrible person. It’s legal and white people make a ton of money from it but when Black people use it, that automatically makes them criminal and kill worthy. No one feels that way about white women and prescription drugs. Or white men and meth/heroin.
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Post by edie3 on Apr 1, 2021 2:25:38 GMT
I know the answer, but how is this not a cut and dried case? I watched again today and my heart just bleeds for all the people who wanted to help, but couldn't. The guy working at the store who wonders what if he had just taken that $20, or the EMT, or the little girl. How traumatized they are from this, while Chauvin probably got a hard on while his knee was on his neck.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 3:59:45 GMT
"What might be characterized as the Chauvin Defense continues a long and cruelly American tradition of devaluing Black life. This argument rests on the proposition that Black defendants and ordinary citizens are inherently guilty of whatever a White person alleges... A just society does not put first responders in the position of watching a man's life slip away, nor does it force children to witness the same. These scenes of trauma and violence, so often depersonalized in our national culture, have the power to reshape the social fabric of the entire nation. " www.cnn.com/2021/03/31/opinions/derek-chauvin-trial-witness-testimony-joseph/index.html
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Post by chaosisapony on Apr 1, 2021 4:51:37 GMT
I know the answer, but how is this not a cut and dried case? I watched again today and my heart just bleeds for all the people who wanted to help, but couldn't. The guy working at the store who wonders what if he had just taken that $20, or the EMT, or the little girl. How traumatized they are from this, while Chauvin probably got a hard on while his knee was on his neck. I got stuck on this today too. Especially for the cashier. I cannot imagine the amount of guilt he must carry with him every day.
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Post by edie3 on Apr 4, 2021 15:13:32 GMT
Is Chauvin expected to testify?
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Post by sabrinae on Apr 4, 2021 15:23:03 GMT
Is Chauvin expected to testify? He hasn’t been expected to — generally defense attorneys want to keep their clients away from the witness stand. But, given the defense that they are trying to use combined with the testimony from officers as to the appropriateness of knelling on his neck, his defense may be putting themselves in a position he has to testify in order to have any hope of acquittal.
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Post by edie3 on Apr 4, 2021 15:49:17 GMT
I want to see him maskless with that smirk wiped off.
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Post by DEX on Apr 4, 2021 16:26:50 GMT
I am from MN and have been quite impressed with the witnesses from the Mpls Police Department who have testified. There is no "Blue Wall" here. All of them have testified that what Chauvin did was wrong. So far, no one has tried to stonewall or minimize using the neck kneel. The Chief of Police is expected to testify for the prosecution next week.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Apr 4, 2021 19:18:39 GMT
I would not be surprised if they DO have him testify. They are basically putting everything upfront right from the start. Including his drug use.
That is their main defense. The autopsy did not show any sort of asphyxiation , but that he died from a combo of basically a heart attack and drug use. That's going to be the cause of doubt.
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Post by hannahruth on Apr 5, 2021 13:44:39 GMT
I'm afraid that no matter what the verdict is, parts of Minneapolis will be destroyed. It will be by the same people that came to Minneapolis last time with the only intention of causing chaos. IMHO if this guy gets off I won’t be surprised at what damage will be done in MN. It will be chaotic and rightly so. The offender did not have the right to do what he did to any one whether black or white it was totally inexcusable. Hopefully the jury and judge will have the guts to do the right thing and find him guilty and sentence him accordingly.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Apr 5, 2021 15:31:18 GMT
I'm watching today. They have the ER Dr on now, and going thru all the medical parts of when George was brought in.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 5, 2021 15:43:13 GMT
I want to see him maskless with that smirk wiped off. he took his mask off in court to be identified and was still smirking
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Post by edie3 on Apr 5, 2021 16:32:33 GMT
he took his mask off in court to be identified and was still smirking Motherf'er
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Post by cindyupnorth on Apr 5, 2021 17:08:21 GMT
he took his mask off in court to be identified and was still smirking eh..was that the very 1st day? I havn't seen it during the trial. The Mpls Chief of Police now on the stand. They are working up to training, and I'm sure if that knee hold was taught.
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