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Post by Really Red on Apr 9, 2021 14:00:47 GMT
That pulmonologist was amazing. I have no words to express how hopeful I am that his testimony above all sends Mr Floyd's murderer to his own death under the knees of all of his fellow inmates. He was outstanding. I mean, I wish this guy would testify all the time. He was adamant that lack of oxygen killed Mr. Floyd. He told the jurors to put their hands on their necks and push. That is exactly the kind of testimony that will sink Chauvin. FWIW, I do not think either Mr. Floyd's drug use history nor Chauvin's brutal past should be brought up. That is for sentencing and should be held against them at that point. After the medical examiner, this case seems open and shut. I hope that remains true. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 9, 2021 14:07:30 GMT
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Post by cindyupnorth on Apr 9, 2021 17:37:16 GMT
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Post by Olan on Apr 9, 2021 18:08:07 GMT
At the very bottom of that article it mentions Chauvin having a spectator today. I wonder who she is. And how is it that she is unidentified.
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Post by Layce on Apr 9, 2021 19:30:52 GMT
We've been just stunned by some of the court coverage especially defense arguments. I mean, seriously?!
The video of Chauvin casually kneeling on George Floyd as he died a slow, panicked death is burned into my memory..
Hands in his pockets, coolly surveying the crowd while they watched in horror.. he didn't look scared and that defense won't fly.
Better not.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Apr 9, 2021 22:08:05 GMT
At the very bottom of that article it mentions Chauvin having a spectator today. I wonder who she is. And how is it that she is unidentified. She was asked her name, but did not respond. I think everyone has the right to privacy, but knowing media, it will probably come out eventually. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 14:20:37 GMT
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Post by cindyupnorth on Apr 13, 2021 15:28:29 GMT
Totally agree! And this was a 26 year old veteran? What was going thru her mind?
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 15:39:54 GMT
That it’s perfectly fine to kill Black citizens because no one really gives a damn.
We are having a trial to decide if 9 mins of Chauvin knee on another human beings neck is what really killed him.
Why should the MN police precinct still be standing again?
She was doing her job. Functioning just like she should. So are you guys.
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Post by myboysnme on Apr 13, 2021 16:41:45 GMT
Black people are being murdered and harmed by cops for shit like failing to use a turn signal, air freshener hanging from a mirror, sitting in the car, driving and breathing at the same time, sleeping in your own home, playing in a park, walking, buying cigarettes. No one in law enforcement is learning anything new. Same old shit. Who tasers someone for having an air freshener on the mirror? I am an elderly white woman and I have become fearful that in an effort to hide racism now everyone is at high risk of death by traffic stop. When I saw that mother fr Gutierrez in my state was fired I immediately though of 5 million podunk police forces that will hire him. If Derek Chaavin gets off then someone will take him out. I don't know why prisoners haven't saved the trouble and done it already.
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 16:45:31 GMT
He’s out on bail. I think it amounted to like 100K. His wife filed for divorced the day after he killed Floyd. Hiding assets cheating the IRS is likely the reason. She is a real estate agent.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Apr 13, 2021 16:54:17 GMT
Black people are being murdered and harmed by cops for shit like failing to use a turn signal, air freshener hanging from a mirror, sitting in the car, driving and breathing at the same time, sleeping in your own home, playing in a park, walking, buying cigarettes. No one in law enforcement is learning anything new. Same old shit. Who tasers someone for having an air freshener on the mirror? I am an elderly white woman and I have become fearful that in an effort to hide racism now everyone is at high risk of death by traffic stop. When I saw that mother fr Gutierrez in my state was fired I immediately though of 5 million podunk police forces that will hire him. If Derek Chaavin gets off then someone will take him out. I don't know why prisoners haven't saved the trouble and done it already. Daunte Wright was NOT pulled over because of an air freshener. He got pulled over for expired tabs. I've gotten pulled over for expired tabs. While pulled over, he was told about his air freshener, and then began to resist arrest. I too was also told I had to have an angel take off of my rear view mirror. The difference IS. I was never worried about my life, nor where my hand were, etc. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Apr 13, 2021 16:56:15 GMT
The state has rested in the Chauvin case, and now the defense is up. They are expected to go til Thursday, then rest, take Friday off, and then final statements Monday, and go to jury. Jury will be sequesterd.
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 17:06:27 GMT
www.vox.com/platform/amp/2016/7/7/12118868/traffic-stops-police-profit-incentive-black-livesRoutine police stops like the one by the unnamed officer who pulled Castile over are not uncommon and, in fact, are often incentivized in police forces, as Jack Hitt of Mother Jones wrote in September 2015. That’s a huge part of the problem. In fact, NBC’s Tom Winter reports Castile was pulled over 31 times over his driving life, and received multiple tickets for a range of non-violent misdemeanors including "driving without a muffler" and speeding. Hitt reported on the fact that many police departments assist city budgets in raising revenue — even funding police officers' salaries — through fines, tickets, and the added fees that accompany them. This cycle of perpetual fees, leading to mounting debt, disproportionately hurts black and brown communities, whose members are more likely to be stopped by police officers and more likely to be impoverished than white Americans. Hitt adds: There is still no comprehensive study to determine just how many cities pay their bills by indenturing the poor, but it is probably no coincidence that when you examine the recent rash of police killings, you find that the offenses they were initially stopped for were preposterously minor. How can we know just what insidious racism and racial violence looks like yet still do nothing?
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 17:07:24 GMT
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Post by Skellinton on Apr 13, 2021 17:19:16 GMT
Exactly. I don’t get why the reaction is when someone (read Black person, likely male) is pulled over that guns are pulled. So what if the person drives away, and frankly why wouldn’t they we when they KNOW their lives are in danger? Why are the cops shooting? Are white people routinely shot at while pulled over for expired tabs or speeding or made up infractions? The cops have all the person’s info, if they warrant a ticket give it to them at home. I got a parking ticket and speeding ticket sent to my home. No one ever pulled me over. Why do the police need to detain or shoot anyone for a minor infraction? |
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 17:25:00 GMT
Black people are funding their own mistreatments. We pay taxes and then we are disproportionately fined.
I still donate to a fund that helps Black people pay for traffic tickets so they can get their licenses reinstated. If there was a State study on who gets their license suspended and the economic effects that has on Black families I would not be surprised at the data. It’s an issue.
That means your white community won’t have a police officer assigned to harass you as you leave the corner store.. They are overpolicing Black communities and throwing all the funding at white ones.
Until we are frank about the problem we won’t be able to stop Black people from needlessly being killed by police.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Apr 13, 2021 17:40:25 GMT
It doesn’t matter why he was pulled over. It does when it's mis-information. The whole pulled over for an air freshener, isn't true. I totally get what you guys are saying, that black people are pulled over much more, and the pulling out of guns. But do you guys think it's ok for someone to resist arrest? to run? so police should just let them go? and then send them a notice in the mail? How often do you think that person with a warrant out for their arrest pays that fine then? How should someone resisting arrest be handled? should they just be let go? |
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 17:45:55 GMT
It doesn’t matter why he was pulled over. It does when it's mis-information. The whole pulled over for an air freshener, isn't true. I totally get what you guys are saying, that black people are pulled over much more, and the pulling out of guns. But do you guys think it's ok for someone to resist arrest? to run? so police should just let them go? and then send them a notice in the mail? How often do you think that person with a warrant out for their arrest pays that fine then? How should someone resisting arrest be handled? should they just be let go? You don’t totally get what I am saying. I’m not going to play along. Have this conversation with other white people who think like you do. And the partial quote again. You guys do this to avoid talking about heavy topics, if you don’t want to discuss the topics I’ve brought up I’m definitely not about to entertain yours. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Apr 13, 2021 17:55:12 GMT
You don’t totally get what I am saying. I’m not going to play along. Have this conversation with other white people who think like you do. And the partial quote again. You guys do this to avoid talking about heavy topics, if you don’t want to discuss the topics I’ve brought up I’m definitely not about to entertain yours. I do get what you are saying. Do you get what I'm saying? I have had the conversation with other white, black, red, yellow people here. I would like you're actual words Olan, and not a bunch of links. I am open to talk about a heavy topic, right now. It's not entertainment, at all. I want to have an open, honest, non defensive conversation. |
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Post by Sarah*H on Apr 13, 2021 17:57:12 GMT
Should the consequence of someone resisting arrest or running from a traffic stop be death? Of course they should let them go. More pertinently, they shouldn't stop anyone for this petty bullshit in the first place.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 13, 2021 18:02:22 GMT
It doesn’t matter why he was pulled over. It does when it's mis-information. The whole pulled over for an air freshener, isn't true. I totally get what you guys are saying, that black people are pulled over much more, and the pulling out of guns. But do you guys think it's ok for someone to resist arrest? to run? so police should just let them go? and then send them a notice in the mail? How often do you think that person with a warrant out for their arrest pays that fine then? How should someone resisting arrest be handled? should they just be let go? Police are “supposed” to be the ones trained to stay calm, diffuse, etc. but they’re the ones doing the killing. A normal fear reaction is flight. Black males fear for their lives just for existing. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Apr 13, 2021 18:17:58 GMT
Should the consequence of someone resisting arrest or running from a traffic stop be death? Of course they should let them go. More pertinently, they shouldn't stop anyone for this petty bullshit in the first place. Do you mean arresting people for expired tabs? Then no one would pay them. Which I have heard other states don’t have too. Which is a great idea I think. But everyone gets pulled over for expired tabs MN |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Apr 13, 2021 18:19:36 GMT
It does when it's mis-information. The whole pulled over for an air freshener, isn't true. I totally get what you guys are saying, that black people are pulled over much more, and the pulling out of guns. But do you guys think it's ok for someone to resist arrest? to run? so police should just let them go? and then send them a notice in the mail? How often do you think that person with a warrant out for their arrest pays that fine then? How should someone resisting arrest be handled? should they just be let go? Police are “supposed” to be the ones trained to stay calm, diffuse, etc. but they’re the ones doing the killing. A normal fear reaction is flight. Black males fear for their lives just for existing. Totally agree! Seems like they need a lot more training for this. And continued education even if they are a veteran! |
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 18:32:42 GMT
You don’t totally get what I am saying. I’m not going to play along. Have this conversation with other white people who think like you do. And the partial quote again. You guys do this to avoid talking about heavy topics, if you don’t want to discuss the topics I’ve brought up I’m definitely not about to entertain yours. I do get what you are saying. Do you get what I'm saying? I have had the conversation with other white, black, red, yellow people here. I would like you're actual words Olan, and not a bunch of links. I am open to talk about a heavy topic, right now. It's not entertainment, at all. I want to have an open, honest, non defensive conversation. No I don’t. You literally have to read the information to understand. We can not answer your line of questioning until we talk about those links. Once you read them you might find you do not have those same questions. Until then I don’t want to have a discussion with you. For my own sanity. For my own well being. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 18:39:36 GMT
And I don’t need to bump all the police related threads I’ve started so we can figure out what Cindy thought about the Philando C. case do I? Or what you thought about police killing Black people at the first major signs we needed to do something?
I see the deflection. I see the refusal to educate yourself. I see the desire to make me a villain so you don’t have to look in a mirror.
I know you see it as well.
You don’t have a Player 2 in me anymore.
The conversations we’ve (society not just 2peas) been having about race are old AF & enough white men have made millions off of implicit bias training and anti racist literature. Do the work. If you do nothing you are complicit. You’ve been in this same place before. Now it’s time to do the right thing. Period.
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Post by peasquared on Apr 13, 2021 18:58:19 GMT
It doesn't matter if black people stay in the car, get out of the car, stay, try to run away, try to drive away. As we've seen just in this past year, they will be killed regardless. The police seem to escalate these situations. They make excuses to pull over black men. In this case, they know that states are behind in sending out tabs during the pandemic. It should have been a non issue, as should the air freshener. And the misdemeanor warrant, yes, send a citation out in the mail.
ETA Now, I am not saying every police officer, but far too many. Especially in the Minneapolis area.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 13, 2021 19:11:48 GMT
Should the consequence of someone resisting arrest or running from a traffic stop be death? Of course they should let them go. More pertinently, they shouldn't stop anyone for this petty bullshit in the first place. Do you mean arresting people for expired tabs? Then no one would pay them. Which I have heard other states don’t have too. Which is a great idea I think. But everyone gets pulled over for expired tabs MN If one doesn’t pay for expired plates, then come renewal time—guess what? You don’t get them renewed! Or you don’t get to renew a drivers license or state ID until you’re paid up. Why pull over someone just for that? Schools have it figured out—just look at the lunch persons who take away kids lunches because their account was not paid up—they had consequences and no one was killed. You don’t get to walk graduation or get your diploma at high schools here if you have fines for library, if your lunch or extra curricular’s are in arrears. So yes, there are non-violent, non-murderous ways to overcome “paperwork” issues. This kid did not deserve to be murdered, “by accident” 😒 by a 26-year “experienced” cop. |
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