Biden's CNN town hall, your impressions

And we will continue to not take you seriously. Because honestly, it has nothing to do with his condition and everything to do with your frothing about politics. 

Please link again. I missed them.

When you had a point I did. 

I adore you Lucy so please know this is me genuinely asking in general…but there are frothers on both sides. That is what is so frustrating to me as a middle voter on this board. There aren’t discussions taking place because the lefts won’t concede their problems and the right doesn’t concede their problems. Instead it is just each side railing on the other side. Why can’t discussions take place anymore?

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Yes the current incident the girl said no, and was considered rape and yes he was convicted. But she had had consensual sex with him in the girl's bathroom prior an well as meeting him there in other occasions. I stated NO is NO... There is no maybe. Just realize it was not a random stranger encounter ... There was no danger to any other person at that time.
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Loudoun Co. judge rules teen sexually assaulted girl in school bathroom
Neal Augenstein
1 day ago

A Loudoun County, Virginia, juvenile court judge has ruled a high school student sexually assaulted a schoolmate in a bathroom at Stone Bridge High School, in Ashburn, in May.

The teenager, now 15, was later charged with sexual battery and abduction of another female student, on Oct. 6, at Broad Run High School.

During opening statements of the two-hour hearing in Loudoun County Juvenile and Domestic Relations District Court, prosecutor Barry Zweig said the two teens chatted daily on the Discord app, in the weeks leading up to the May 28, 2021, incident at Stone Bridge High School, in Ashburn.

The teens had “sexually charged conversations,” and had engaged in consensual sexual relations twice in weeks prior, in a bathroom at the school.

On May 28, the boy texted the girl and asked her to meet him in the girls bathroom, and she agreed. However, during that encounter, he forced himself on her, without her consent.

The girl reported the incident to school administrators, and was questioned by sheriff’s office investigators that day.

DNA evidence was gathered and processed before the boy was charged with one felony count of forcible sodomy and one felony count of forcible fellatio.

The young victim described her relationship with the boy as “just friends,” but said she “hooked up” with him, twice in the two weeks before the assault.

During cross-examination by defense attorney William Mann, the girl acknowledged she hadn’t told investigators initially about the consensual encounters.

From the witness stand, she was asked several times by Zweig, who was assisted by Commonwealth’s Attorney Buta Biberaj, whether she gave permission or consent for the sexual act on May 28.

“Never,” she responded.

In closing arguments, Mann argued since the teens had had sex in the bathroom previously, it was reasonable for his client to believe that was the purpose of this rendezvous.

The judge quickly ruled otherwise.

“I found the facts sufficient to support the charges,” said JDR Chief Judge Pamela Brooks. The standard of proof in juvenile court, as in an adult conviction, is beyond a reasonable doubt.

The teen defendant is scheduled to be back before the judge on Nov. 15, for an adjudicatory hearing on the October incident at Broad Run High School. Brooks said she plans to announce the disposition for both cases on that date.

A disposition is the juvenile equivalent of an adult sentence. Since juvenile courts focus on rehabilitation, judges have wide leeway in considering treatment plans for the young offender.

Bill Stanley, an attorney for the girl’s family, released a statement, following Brooks’ ruling. WTOP is not reporting the family surname, to avoid indirectly identifying the juvenile sexual assault victim. WTOP is not naming the 15-year-old charged because of his age as well.

“We are greatly relieved that justice was served today,” said Stanley. “No one should have to endure what this family has endured, and now their focus is completely upon their daughter’s health and safety as she progresses forward with her life.”

The girl’s family has pledged to file a civil lawsuit against the school system, for failing to protect her by allowing the boy to transfer schools after being arrested. The family, and others are alleging the school system and school board engaged in a coverup.

The statement from the girl’s family says they “stand stronger than ever in moving forward to ensure that those responsible in the Loudoun County School system are held accountable, so that this may never happen again to anyone else’s child.”

wtop.com/loudoun-county/2021/10/loudoun-co-judge-rules-teen-sexually-assaulted-girl-in-school-bathroom/

Thought so. This is over a year old. Also, please look up the difference between "gaffes" and misspeaks which Biden is known for (i.e., "normal for him" as you like to say) vs. signs of recent mental decline related to his recent "hand clutching" of a week or so ago.

aww, that is very nice to hear, thanks.

There are definitely frothers on both sides. Sometimes we still have polite discussions. Often they end up getting derailed, and that’s the only part most of us remember.

I know I’m guilty myself, on occasion. But I can’t imagine having an endless angry dispute with (for example) you. You’re reasonable, rational, and polite, even in disagreement. I should emulate you more often.

On the whole do you think this board has productive discussions back and forth rather than just blaming the other party? I open most political threads and tbh they are usually the quickest read threads because usually with the 1st few sentences of each individual post you can tell if it is a discussion or a blaming post. If it is blaming I scroll past hence why those are the quick read threads.

Years ago we had so many good, thought provoking discussions over politics.  It wasn't divisive or just ranting about the other party. It was solid discussions where ideas were challenged.  I would sometimes have a change of opinion on a matter or at the very least able to understand the perspective from someone who had the opposite opinion.  I long for those days of real, nitty gritty thought provoking discussions were taking place. 

You know that she did!

They still are. There are plenty of peas discussing and backing assertions w/reputable sources.

Again, my example above shows that I and others are fine w/acknowledging issues even where we are in agreement w/overall direction or approach.

I try not to call out people (ad hominems), but I do call out opinions and actions as stupid or uninformed or vapid or....

I find I can have discussions w/peas who believe differently, as long as they back their beliefs w/data, evidence that is reputable and/or peer-reviewed.

I wonder if you stop to really read and consider. Or do you lump it all in w/"frothing".

 Yeah, never - link


 Again never - link

 Just 2 that I could remember. There are others, but I'm done looking. 
So yeah, you made a big leap not supported by facts. 

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