lindas
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Post by lindas on Oct 28, 2021 23:33:03 GMT
“What I know about dementia patients “ so does this mean that you are an expert and can diagnose people from afar? Let’s talk about the Americans still in Afghanistan. Maybe you can answer this question. In 2020 trump signed an agreement with a terrorist group known as the Taliban that in part said the United States Military would be out of Afghanistan by 5-1-2021. That was the first notice to Americans in the country the United States military was pulling out of Afghanistan. trump lost the election so I can understand Americans in Afghanistan might wonder if President Biden was going to stick to trump’s date of 5-1-2021. But still by November or December the folks wanting to leave should have had an idea/plan forming on how to do it if they wanted to be out of Afghanistan by trump’s date. Then in April President Biden announced the United States Military would be leaving not on May 1, but 9-11-2021. That was at least 4 full months to leave by 9/11 and the second notice the United States Military was leaving. So my question is why were there Americans who wanted to leave Afghanistan still there by the end of August? What stopped them from leaving? I mean they were American Citizens and planes were flying out of Afghanistan so why were they still there? Anyone know? As to the green card holders they have to be vetted by the State Department and thanks to trump’s policies a number of State Department officials left during trump’s time and hadn’t been fully replaced by the Biden Administration. Add to that Ted Cruz has been busily putting holds on individuals up for appointment not only for the State Department but the Treasury Department as well. Apparently he has a problem with a gas pipeline from Russia to Germany. So it’s taking longer then normally would. An individual has a right to voice their opinion on a subject to officials. But they do not have a right to threaten these officials with violence if they don’t see things the way these individuals want them to. When one start threatening people with violence over wearing a mask or teaching the truth in schools then they are pretty darn close to crossing the line that makes them domestic terrorist. There is a saying that I think is disgusting and it’s “If you’ve seen one then you have seen them all”. No woman should be raped and it’s especially egregious when it’s a teenage girl. But to say every transgender youth who identifies as a women is a budding rapist is ridiculous. A rapist is going to rape and it doesn’t matter who they are. The reality is a school boy or any number of men could have followed that girl into a restroom and raped her. As to the Southern Border. Got a plan? People love to look a very complex issues and think there is some simplistic plan that will solve the problem like sending the Vice President of the United States to stand at the banks of the Rio Grande for a photo op. There problem solved. If only it were that easy. There are Americans still in Afghanistan because they can’t get their families out and they won’t leave without them link. As to the Southern Border, no one has a plan, no one has ever had a plan and no one is ever going to have a plan other then to continue to kick that can down the road and hope the next administration will deal with it.
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lindas
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Post by lindas on Oct 28, 2021 23:36:46 GMT
spottiedottie The Republican is Youngkin, see I pay attention! Do you have any suggestion to activate the Republicans in the Senate, mainly, and House too, to have them pass needed legislation and also very importantly Ambassadors for most of countries needed around the world. The Senate has only approved TWO in all these months and they were former Senators. Two have been held over from the previous administration. We really do need the other counties Ambassadors approved. I found this article link to be enlightening as to why it takes so long to get Ambassadors approved. Currently Biden has 67 vacancies that he hasn’t even put up a nominee for.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 28, 2021 23:39:51 GMT
“What I know about dementia patients “ so does this mean that you are an expert and can diagnose people from afar? Let’s talk about the Americans still in Afghanistan. Maybe you can answer this question. In 2020 trump signed an agreement with a terrorist group known as the Taliban that in part said the United States Military would be out of Afghanistan by 5-1-2021. That was the first notice to Americans in the country the United States military was pulling out of Afghanistan. trump lost the election so I can understand Americans in Afghanistan might wonder if President Biden was going to stick to trump’s date of 5-1-2021. But still by November or December the folks wanting to leave should have had an idea/plan forming on how to do it if they wanted to be out of Afghanistan by trump’s date. Then in April President Biden announced the United States Military would be leaving not on May 1, but 9-11-2021. That was at least 4 full months to leave by 9/11 and the second notice the United States Military was leaving. So my question is why were there Americans who wanted to leave Afghanistan still there by the end of August? What stopped them from leaving? I mean they were American Citizens and planes were flying out of Afghanistan so why were they still there? Anyone know? As to the green card holders they have to be vetted by the State Department and thanks to trump’s policies a number of State Department officials left during trump’s time and hadn’t been fully replaced by the Biden Administration. Add to that Ted Cruz has been busily putting holds on individuals up for appointment not only for the State Department but the Treasury Department as well. Apparently he has a problem with a gas pipeline from Russia to Germany. So it’s taking longer then normally would. An individual has a right to voice their opinion on a subject to officials. But they do not have a right to threaten these officials with violence if they don’t see things the way these individuals want them to. When one start threatening people with violence over wearing a mask or teaching the truth in schools then they are pretty darn close to crossing the line that makes them domestic terrorist. There is a saying that I think is disgusting and it’s “If you’ve seen one then you have seen them all”. No woman should be raped and it’s especially egregious when it’s a teenage girl. But to say every transgender youth who identifies as a women is a budding rapist is ridiculous. A rapist is going to rape and it doesn’t matter who they are. The reality is a school boy or any number of men could have followed that girl into a restroom and raped her. As to the Southern Border. Got a plan? People love to look a very complex issues and think there is some simplistic plan that will solve the problem like sending the Vice President of the United States to stand at the banks of the Rio Grande for a photo op. There problem solved. If only it were that easy. There are Americans still in Afghanistan because they can’t get their families out and they won’t leave without them link. As to the Southern Border, no one has a plan, no one has ever had a plan and no one is ever going to have a plan other then to continue to kick that can down the road and hope the next administration will deal with it.
The most recent info that I can find on Americans in Afghanistan is that there are between 100-200, and closer to 100. www.cnbc.com/2021/09/20/85-americans-have-left-afghanistan-since-us-withdrawal.htmlI am sorry that there are still Americans there, but overall, it was a success. As far as the border goes, TBH I have not paid it a lot of attention. There have been more pressing issues IMO.
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Post by Laurie on Oct 28, 2021 23:40:55 GMT
Okay, that was my post so not sure where Gia came from. I also assume you are not saying I am a disturbed individual because I can’t think of anything I have ever posted that would give that impression. Jeremysgirl: Honestly how I feel is that neither party is trying to put forth something that is truly what is best for the American people. It seems like agendas are being pushed. I was frustrated a few years ago when Republicans had the control of House and Senate and nothing got done. I don’t fault Biden necessarily on things not getting done because senators and reps are too busy having pissing matches with one another so it can’t be put on Biden solely. My only thought though is Obama would have been more successful. His party seemed to buy into him more than they are for Biden. Laurie, I unsuccessfully tried to eliminate your post. Jeremysgirl is who I was quoting. also, Dixiechick is obviously Gia with a new name. Got it. I am unfamiliar with Dixichick/Gia. Again, a lot of posters I scroll past their posts when they aren’t discussions.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 28, 2021 23:46:47 GMT
spottiedottie The Republican is Youngkin, see I pay attention! Do you have any suggestion to activate the Republicans in the Senate, mainly, and House too, to have them pass needed legislation and also very importantly Ambassadors for most of countries needed around the world. The Senate has only approved TWO in all these months and they were former Senators. Two have been held over from the previous administration. We really do need the other counties Ambassadors approved. I found this article link to be enlightening as to why it takes so long to get Ambassadors approved. Currently Biden has 67 vacancies that he hasn’t even put up a nominee for. There are two sides to that coin. It seems that *someone* is putting holds on a lot of nominations. www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-08-11/biden-nominees-for-key-posts-stalled-in-congress-victims-of-gop-protestBiden does not nominate people quickly, but there are a lot of holds on his nominations. Just sayin’.
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Post by onelasttime on Oct 28, 2021 23:48:37 GMT
It wasn't divisive or just ranting about the other party. It was solid discussions where ideas were challenged. I would sometimes have a change of opinion on a matter or at the very least able to understand the perspective from someone who had the opposite opinion. I'm going to preface this by saying...I voted Republican in the presidential election up until 2016. I worked for Republicans in my state legislature as an aide for years. So I was there,at least in the middle. The problem is that Republicans have no ideas anymore. Obama's presidency really showed me that. On policy matters they've become nothing but a party of obstructionists. I worked at the state level and for a while there were compromises and ideas at that more localized level. I left at the end of 2008 because it just wasn't there anymore. If you want to have a discussion, fine. I'm all about it. But name three issues upon which the Republicans are actively pushing legislation at a national level that will result in any kind of overall improvement in the quality of life of Americans. If you can come up with that, then I'm sure you'd get the peas to discuss it civilly for the most part. (There will always be outliers). The question raised in this post is a good one about what three issues Republicans have pushed. I would settle for one that didn’t involved tax cuts. The last notable piece of legislation to come out of Congress that addressed the needs of all Americans was the ACA. Since then what has been passed by Congress is fluff stuff and what I call crisis legislation like what was passed for the Great Recession and during the pandemic. The Democrats have ideas and plans for just about everything. Some I agree with, some I don’t. But they all have one constant and that is to help all Americans. The Republicans have nothing to offer the American People. Their roll today is to act as obstructionist to whatever the Democrats have to offer. Even if it hurts the very people who voted for them. And apparently this is ok for some voters because they continue to vote for the party that offers them absolutely nothing.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 28, 2021 23:58:52 GMT
lindas thanks, and I see a mollycoddle has posted another I will also read. The article you post had some good points. It does explain some of the other issues with appointments. It was from June and yes there had only been 11 ambassador nominations. Thomas-Greenfield was approved. And just recently two more were approved, both having been Senators.. Remember there was delay, in fact, not much of a transition to accomplish very much. Thanks again. Almost five months into Biden’s tenure, he has nominated 11 ambassadors. The only one confirmed by the Senate is his envoy to the United Nations in New York, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, a retired career diplomat who took office in February.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 29, 2021 0:04:51 GMT
And these are the quick comments from Sec Blinkin in August. From the article posted by mollycoddleForemost among those blocking nominees is Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), who has held back as many as two dozen State Department appointees, on demands that Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken penalize all international firms and individuals involved in the construction of a Russian pipeline to Europe. Blinken complained last week that 65 nominations were still pending a confirmation vote.(me:in August) Some of those, including Smith’s nomination, this week squeaked through the Senate approval process on the eve of Congress’ August recess after languishing for months. Keep in mine Cruz's complaint involves citizens in Europe who need gas. Too bad he didn't think about his own constituents, when he flew off the Cancun, while they were home with no power and freezing in a storm!
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 29, 2021 0:24:50 GMT
spottiedottie The Republican is Youngkin, see I pay attention! Do you have any suggestion to activate the Republicans in the Senate, mainly, and House too, to have them pass needed legislation and also very importantly Ambassadors for most of countries needed around the world. The Senate has only approved TWO in all these months and they were former Senators. Two have been held over from the previous administration. We really do need the other counties Ambassadors approved. I found this article link to be enlightening as to why it takes so long to get Ambassadors approved. Currently Biden has 67 vacancies that he hasn’t even put up a nominee for. These articles are also enlightening on why more ambassadors have not been approved. Maybe Biden has not nominated more because the ones he did nominate, Cruz is holding up. Cruz has openly admitted he's blocking them. It's also important to note that former decimated the State Department, creating the need for so many appointments. www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/10/joe-biden-ambassadors-ted-cruz-donald-trump-obama-flake-mccain/Few ambassador nominations are controversial, and the Senate can usually vote them through easily. But this year, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) has held up the nominees over a disagreement with Biden’s handling of a Russian gas pipeline in Europe. Instead of permitting senators to vote quickly, which requires unanimous approval, Cruz has made it so each pick requires hours of debate, stopping the Senate from doing other business. I’ve made clear to every State Department official, to every State Department nominee, that I will place holds on these nominees unless and until the Biden administration follows the law and stops this pipeline,” he said in August on the Senate floor. The four nominees to pass Cruz’s blockade on Tuesday were all either former senators (Jeff Flake, Tom Udall) or spouses of former senators (Victoria Reggie Kennedy, Cindy McCain). Cruz, whose office did not return Mother Jones’ request for comment, told Washington Post reporter Seung Min Kim he permitted them to go through out of senatorial courtesy. www.nytimes.com/2021/10/02/us/politics/senate-confirmation-cruz-nominations.htmlwww.texastribune.org/2021/10/27/ted-cruz-joe-biden-ambassador-nominations/
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Post by onelasttime on Oct 29, 2021 0:25:50 GMT
“What I know about dementia patients “ so does this mean that you are an expert and can diagnose people from afar? Let’s talk about the Americans still in Afghanistan. Maybe you can answer this question. In 2020 trump signed an agreement with a terrorist group known as the Taliban that in part said the United States Military would be out of Afghanistan by 5-1-2021. That was the first notice to Americans in the country the United States military was pulling out of Afghanistan. trump lost the election so I can understand Americans in Afghanistan might wonder if President Biden was going to stick to trump’s date of 5-1-2021. But still by November or December the folks wanting to leave should have had an idea/plan forming on how to do it if they wanted to be out of Afghanistan by trump’s date. Then in April President Biden announced the United States Military would be leaving not on May 1, but 9-11-2021. That was at least 4 full months to leave by 9/11 and the second notice the United States Military was leaving. So my question is why were there Americans who wanted to leave Afghanistan still there by the end of August? What stopped them from leaving? I mean they were American Citizens and planes were flying out of Afghanistan so why were they still there? Anyone know? As to the green card holders they have to be vetted by the State Department and thanks to trump’s policies a number of State Department officials left during trump’s time and hadn’t been fully replaced by the Biden Administration. Add to that Ted Cruz has been busily putting holds on individuals up for appointment not only for the State Department but the Treasury Department as well. Apparently he has a problem with a gas pipeline from Russia to Germany. So it’s taking longer then normally would. An individual has a right to voice their opinion on a subject to officials. But they do not have a right to threaten these officials with violence if they don’t see things the way these individuals want them to. When one start threatening people with violence over wearing a mask or teaching the truth in schools then they are pretty darn close to crossing the line that makes them domestic terrorist. There is a saying that I think is disgusting and it’s “If you’ve seen one then you have seen them all”. No woman should be raped and it’s especially egregious when it’s a teenage girl. But to say every transgender youth who identifies as a women is a budding rapist is ridiculous. A rapist is going to rape and it doesn’t matter who they are. The reality is a school boy or any number of men could have followed that girl into a restroom and raped her. As to the Southern Border. Got a plan? People love to look a very complex issues and think there is some simplistic plan that will solve the problem like sending the Vice President of the United States to stand at the banks of the Rio Grande for a photo op. There problem solved. If only it were that easy. There are Americans still in Afghanistan because they can’t get their families out and they won’t leave without them link. As to the Southern Border, no one has a plan, no one has ever had a plan and no one is ever going to have a plan other then to continue to kick that can down the road and hope the next administration will deal with it.
From your article… “When the Americans say, ‘immediate family,’ that’s your spouse and your children. From an Afghan point of view, immediate family means spouse, children, sister, cousin, brothers; it’s a much larger definition,” said James Miervaldis, chairman of No One Left Behind, another group working to evacuate and resettle Afghan refugees. “This just shows you that 20 years later, we’re still talking past each other.”These folks have to be vetted before they get the paperwork to leave & come to this country. From CNN… link“Fact checking Jake Sullivan's claim Trump admin didn't process Afghan visas for a year”From the article… “Facts First: This is incorrect. Between March 2020 and the end of December 2020, at least 523 Afghan Special Immigrant Visas were issued. That being said, the Biden administration did inherit a significant backlog of SIV applicants -- more than 17,000 -- due in part to policies enacted under the Trump administration which slowed down the SIV review process. The White House told CNN that Sullivan was referring to the Trump administration stopping in-person interviews in Kabul, which is a mandated part of the SIV process. Even though State Department reports indicate there were no visa interviews conducted at the US Embassy in Kabul from March 2020 through the end of December 2020, visa applications of those who had already been interviewed were still processed during that time.” According to the State Department, interviews were stopped due to Covid-19 restrictions. The report on the status of the Afghan Special Immigrant Visa Program for the quarter ending in December 2020 noted, "There were relatively few interviews this quarter because U.S. Embassy Kabul was closed for in-person visa services due to the prevalence of COVID-19 in Afghanistan. In all nine cases, the applicants requested to have their interview conducted at an alternate post." The report did not include whether those interviews took place elsewhere but as of December 31, 2020, "622 principal applicants and 2,438 derivative family members were pending scheduling for visa interviews." While the pause in interviews contributed to the backlog, it was not the only factor. The Biden White House also pointed CNN to a viral Twitter thread from Olivia Troye, a former adviser to Vice President Pence, who said the Trump administration did take steps restrict refugee admissions and undermine the SIV program. And Adam Bates, policy counsel for the International Refugee Assistance Project, which represents Special Immigrant Visa applicants and refugees, noted that the number of SIVs issued did decrease under the Trump administration. Under the Obama administration, the number of Afghan SIVs issued increased, from 262 in fiscal year 2009 to 3,626 in FY 2016. But under Trump, the number dropped to 1,649 in FY 2018, increased to 2,347 in FY 2019 and culminated in 1,799 for FY 2020. "President Trump also oversaw a substantial reduction in the issuance of those visas compared to President Obama," Bates told CNN. "I suppose that's not strictly relevant to an 'evacuation' but the program protects people who are under threat for their service to the U.S. mission and fewer visas issued means fewer U.S. allies and their families have a pathway to safety." However, the Biden administration is not entirely blameless, as experts say they could have addressed the delays sooner. Faiza Sayed, director of the Safe Harbor Clinic, told CNN that the State Department and Department of Homeland Security, which oversee the SIV program, "could, but have failed to speed up the process." Maybe they could and maybe they couldn’t.Under the Biden administration, immigrant visa interviews resumed at the US Embassy in Kabul. But as of August 24, the State Department issued a statement that "all immigrant visa appointments, including Special Immigrant Visas (SIVs), at the Embassy have been cancelled," but clarified that, in addition to U.S. citizens, their "efforts are devoted to evacuations at Hamid Karzai International Airport" particularly for "our locally employed staff; personnel from partner nations and international organizations with whom we have agreements; Afghan Special Immigrant Visa holders and applicants; certain immigrant visa applicants; Afghans who would be eligible for P1/P2 refugee programs; and certain Afghans at risk."
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 29, 2021 0:38:38 GMT
Many other posters have replied to your comments on Afghanistan. I will just add that the State Department has not abandoned them, they are still trying to get them out. And some of them don't want to leave and may never leave. It seems like a typical American point of view to assume that all remaining Americans want to leave. Admittedly, the numbers keep changing, as more people come forward. www.cnn.com/2021/10/22/politics/us-citizens-afghanistan-withdrawal-biden-admin/index.htmlWashington (CNN)The State Department informed congressional staff Thursday that it is in touch with 363 US citizens in Afghanistan, 176 of whom want to leave, two sources familiar with the call told CNN. The figures presented on that call underscore the ongoing challenge faced by the Biden administration as Americans continue to come forward to seek help in leaving Afghanistan in the wake of the Taliban takeover and the chaotic US withdrawal. www.rollcall.com/2021/10/26/hundreds-of-americans-remain-in-afghanistan-pentagon-official-says/But Kahl defended the administration. “Nobody was abandoned. We continue to get people out of Afghanistan, including American citizens,” he said. Since Sept. 1, the State Department has helped facilitate the departure of 240 U.S. citizens, plus an additional 157 green card holders, Kahl said. Once those who have arranged for their own exodus are counted, a total of 314 Americans and 266 lawful permanent residents have left, he said. www.cnbc.com/2021/09/20/85-americans-have-left-afghanistan-since-us-withdrawal.htmlwww.washingtonpost.com/national-security/afghanistan-who-was-left-behind/2021/09/09/7e6e3206-117c-11ec-882f-2dd15a067dc4_story.htmlSenior administration officials have estimated there are about 100 American citizens left in Afghanistan who want to leave, and on Thursday, the State Department said in a statement that the U.S. government was “in direct contact with virtually all of them.” “We’re holding the Taliban to the commitments that they’ve made to ensure the free passage and safe travel for anyone who wants to leave Afghanistan,” the statement continued, adding the U.S. government would “do everything we can to try to facilitate safe passage.” And yes, what is happening to women in Afghanistan is sad, tragic and in some cases, horrifying. I am deeply sympathetic, but its past time for the US to pull the military out of Afghanistan and continue offering humanitarian aid. Nation building has been a disaster and should not be our role in the world. There are many things that we could have done differently early on in the war, but here we are. www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/08/21/afghanistan-biden-obama-bush/The swiftness of the Afghan army’s collapse and the Taliban’s retaking of Afghanistan was a shock. But it shouldn’t have been. The seeds of failure were planted years ago. www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/guest-commentary/os-op-afghanistan-nation-building-20210908-m5nimv56sjbbjkjscmyiij26n4-story.html
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Post by sassyangel on Oct 29, 2021 1:03:04 GMT
Many other posters have replied to your comments on Afghanistan. I will just add that the State Department has not abandoned them, they are still trying to get them out. And some of them don't want to leave and may never leave. It seems like a typical American point of view to assume that all remaining Americans want to leave. Admittedly, the numbers keep changing, as more people come forward. www.cnn.com/2021/10/22/politics/us-citizens-afghanistan-withdrawal-biden-admin/index.htmlWashington (CNN)The State Department informed congressional staff Thursday that it is in touch with 363 US citizens in Afghanistan, 176 of whom want to leave, two sources familiar with the call told CNN. The figures presented on that call underscore the ongoing challenge faced by the Biden administration as Americans continue to come forward to seek help in leaving Afghanistan in the wake of the Taliban takeover and the chaotic US withdrawal. www.rollcall.com/2021/10/26/hundreds-of-americans-remain-in-afghanistan-pentagon-official-says/But Kahl defended the administration. “Nobody was abandoned. We continue to get people out of Afghanistan, including American citizens,” he said. Since Sept. 1, the State Department has helped facilitate the departure of 240 U.S. citizens, plus an additional 157 green card holders, Kahl said. Once those who have arranged for their own exodus are counted, a total of 314 Americans and 266 lawful permanent residents have left, he said. www.cnbc.com/2021/09/20/85-americans-have-left-afghanistan-since-us-withdrawal.htmlwww.washingtonpost.com/national-security/afghanistan-who-was-left-behind/2021/09/09/7e6e3206-117c-11ec-882f-2dd15a067dc4_story.htmlSenior administration officials have estimated there are about 100 American citizens left in Afghanistan who want to leave, and on Thursday, the State Department said in a statement that the U.S. government was “in direct contact with virtually all of them.” “We’re holding the Taliban to the commitments that they’ve made to ensure the free passage and safe travel for anyone who wants to leave Afghanistan,” the statement continued, adding the U.S. government would “do everything we can to try to facilitate safe passage.” And yes, what is happening to women in Afghanistan is sad, tragic and in some cases, horrifying. I am deeply sympathetic, but its past time for the US to pull the military out of Afghanistan and continue offering humanitarian aid. Nation building has been a disaster and should not be our role in the world. There are many things that we could have done differently early on in the war, but here we are. www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/08/21/afghanistan-biden-obama-bush/The swiftness of the Afghan army’s collapse and the Taliban’s retaking of Afghanistan was a shock. But it shouldn’t have been. The seeds of failure were planted years ago. www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/guest-commentary/os-op-afghanistan-nation-building-20210908-m5nimv56sjbbjkjscmyiij26n4-story.htmlPeople who assume they even *want* to leave (and have been left behind) have never been expatriots before. Being one means complex divided loyalties, that make decisions like this not easy at all. Especially during a pandemic.
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Post by Just T on Oct 29, 2021 1:10:55 GMT
I guess it's not hard to make a leap to think you adore the man when you never criticized anything he did or said. Yeah, never - link
Again never - link
Just 2 that I could remember. There are others, but I'm done looking. So yeah, you made a big leap not supported by facts. Wow, such scathing criticism of Trump. A year ago, you said he has the vocabulary of a 12 year old. 3 months ago, you said he lies, is inarticulate, contradicts himself and says dumb things. Where is your criticism of ALLLL the shit he pulled over 4 years? Where is your criticism of his bullying behavior and how he alone made the pandemic a political issue? Where is your criticism of his lies about the stolen election, that started in 2016? I stand by what I said.
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Post by Just T on Oct 29, 2021 1:16:32 GMT
ust because someone has qualms/questions/criticisms of Joe Biden doesn't make them a rabid Trump supporter, as many on this board insist. It's possible for someone to dislike Trump and also be able to see Biden's issues at the same time. Yes, it is possible for someone to dislike Trump and still see Biden's issues. But that is not what happens here. If the folks who actively criticize Biden for everything would have ALSO been pissed about Trump's antics, I would agree with you. But they don't. In my mind, if you constantly call out Biden when you never called out Trump for worse shit, then yes, you are a rabid Trump supporter.
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 29, 2021 13:19:56 GMT
Just because someone has qualms/questions/criticisms of Joe Biden doesn't make them a rabid Trump supporter, as many on this board insist. It's possible for someone to dislike Trump and also be able to see Biden's issues at the same time. Biden's poll numbers are tanking. Fivethirtyeight.com has his disapproval at 51% today. Those are horrible numbers and the DNC knows it. 51% means there are Biden voters who disapprove of the job he's doing. There's no good way to spin that. Virginia is a blue state that Biden won by over 10 points a year ago. Now, Terry McAuliffe is running for governor again and just a few weeks ago was expected to win easily. Now it looks like the Republican has a good shot. Biden is bringing the whole party down. I really think the Dems are going to lose big in the mid-terms and Biden will be largely responsible for it. ETA: 2 weeks ago the polls in Virginia showed McAuliffe ahead by 52 to 41. Today it's 47.6 to 46.1, just a 1.5% difference. And that's AFTER Obama and Biden campaigned for McAuliffe. Where you and others lose credibility is the fact that none of you spoke/speak out about Trump and other republicans who have and continue to do deplorable things. So when you jump in to point out all that You think Biden is doing, it seems pretty disingenuous. That's where you're wrong. No one's credibility depends on conforming and performing for you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2021 13:21:46 GMT
Just because someone has qualms/questions/criticisms of Joe Biden doesn't make them a rabid Trump supporter, as many on this board insist. It's possible for someone to dislike Trump and also be able to see Biden's issues at the same time. Biden's poll numbers are tanking. Fivethirtyeight.com has his disapproval at 51% today. Those are horrible numbers and the DNC knows it. 51% means there are Biden voters who disapprove of the job he's doing. There's no good way to spin that. Virginia is a blue state that Biden won by over 10 points a year ago. Now, Terry McAuliffe is running for governor again and just a few weeks ago was expected to win easily. Now it looks like the Republican has a good shot. Biden is bringing the whole party down. I really think the Dems are going to lose big in the mid-terms and Biden will be largely responsible for it. ETA: 2 weeks ago the polls in Virginia showed McAuliffe ahead by 52 to 41. Today it's 47.6 to 46.1, just a 1.5% difference. And that's AFTER Obama and Biden campaigned for McAuliffe. Where you and others lose credibility is the fact that none of you spoke/speak out about Trump and other republicans who have and continue to do deplorable things. So when you jump in to point out all that You think Biden is doing, it seems pretty disingenuous. Precisely.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 29, 2021 15:06:36 GMT
I am quoting this because this post was a sincere attempt at having a reasonable discussion and Gia conveniently slides right on by it. She absolutely is incapable of having an intelligent discussion and we all know that. She is a seriously disturbed individual. Why on earth anyone wants to go back and forth with her is beyond me. Okay, that was my post so not sure where Gia came from. I also assume you are not saying I am a disturbed individual because I can’t think of anything I have ever posted that would give that impression. Jeremysgirl: Honestly how I feel is that neither party is trying to put forth something that is truly what is best for the American people. It seems like agendas are being pushed. I was frustrated a few years ago when Republicans had the control of House and Senate and nothing got done. I don’t fault Biden necessarily on things not getting done because senators and reps are too busy having pissing matches with one another so it can’t be put on Biden solely. My only thought though is Obama would have been more successful. His party seemed to buy into him more than they are for Biden. None of the Democratic party's ideas are ideas to you? Raising taxes on people making over $400k a year in order to fund child care? The infrastructure bill? Voting rights act? Healthcare form? Climate change proposals? Student loan reform? These are all policy items with introduced legislation to back them up. They are not agendas. You can actually look at what is being proposed. Where are the Republican plans? Where are their bills?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 29, 2021 22:53:41 GMT
Yet why is it so hard for republicans to admit that a large part of the reason is because republicans in congress are ranking everything the administration is trying to do tor the people (and not the pickets of the politicians)? Sorry, I don't understand this question. Why is it so hard for republicans to admit/acknowledge that their reps in congress are only obstructing? Worried about their own pockets and not their constituents…
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 29, 2021 23:00:28 GMT
Where you and others lose credibility is the fact that none of you spoke/speak out about Trump and other republicans who have and continue to do deplorable things. So when you jump in to point out all that You think Biden is doing, it seems pretty disingenuous. That's where you're wrong. No one's credibility depends on conforming and performing for you. Nope. You’re the one wrong here Gia. Iamkristen isn’t talking about “conforming” —-that was your (typical) subtle change in wording and meaning of what was said. She NEVER said people had to conform. It most certainly does mean that you do lose credibility when you’re here to criticize Biden for XYZ, when trump did XYZ and at a more awful scale and affect on Americans, and while trump was doing so, you never said a word about it or never had an issue about it or you stayed silent when he was doing it or you double downed on his lies. You created your little echo chamber you’re so fond of. Not only do you lose credibility, it also makes you a huge hypocrite. And, on a side note to your statement on “conforming and performing” 2 words… “Trump rallies “ 100% conforming cult members and 100% performing idiots on stage.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 30, 2021 0:15:05 GMT
Okay, that was my post so not sure where Gia came from. I also assume you are not saying I am a disturbed individual because I can’t think of anything I have ever posted that would give that impression. Jeremysgirl: Honestly how I feel is that neither party is trying to put forth something that is truly what is best for the American people. It seems like agendas are being pushed. I was frustrated a few years ago when Republicans had the control of House and Senate and nothing got done. I don’t fault Biden necessarily on things not getting done because senators and reps are too busy having pissing matches with one another so it can’t be put on Biden solely. My only thought though is Obama would have been more successful. His party seemed to buy into him more than they are for Biden. None of the Democratic party's ideas are ideas to you? Raising taxes on people making over $400k a year in order to fund child care? The infrastructure bill? Voting rights act? Healthcare form? Climate change proposals? Student loan reform? These are all policy items with introduced legislation to back them up. They are not agendas. You can actually look at what is being proposed. Where are the Republican plans? Where are their bills? Speaking of plans..... Still waiting after ALL the two weeks' extensions former was presenting his healthcare replacement plan!!!! Oh right! He and the GOP had no intentions of offering ANY healthcare plane after they shot down the ACA!
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 30, 2021 1:19:58 GMT
Your post suggests to me that you read headlines but don’t bother reading the actual article. There are lots of responses to your post with links to the full story. I recommend that you read them and educate yourself on these issues. Furthermore, I would suggest that you read and use sources other than NY Post (a Rupert Murdoch company with a right wing bias). If you’re already Republican leaning, Fox News, OAN, Newsmax and NY Post will only be an echo chamber. Expand your horizons and try to look at more central media like PBS or NPR. As far as the video, the actors were not paid by the White House and the White House did not produce the video. It was a You Tube original, paid for by them. Maybe you tube and/ or VP Harris should have initially acknowledged that the actors were paid. Beyond that, there’s nothing wrong with the video. Other than Fox News, very few other media outlets had reports on this. That alone suggests there’s really nothing to the story. Here are a few alternative views for you. www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-child-actors-nasa-video-widespread-derision-1638058www.cnn.com/2021/10/12/politics/kamala-harris-child-actors-youtube-video/index.html
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 30, 2021 1:40:15 GMT
Southern border catastrophe? Where is Kamala Harris? Biden "I guess I should go down there" The border is clearly a complex issue and there’s plenty of blame to go around. Let’s look at some of the reasons why Trump is partially responsible for some of the current mess. www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/09/17/761266169/trump-froze-aid-to-guatemala-now-programs-are-shutting-downwww.gao.gov/products/gao-21-104366Foreign assistance to Northern Triangle countries (El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras) is meant to promote prosperity, good governance, and security in the region. In March 2019, the Trump administration withheld that assistance until those countries took steps to reduce the number of migrants coming to the U.S. border—suspending new funds and reallocating prior year funds. This adversely affected 65 of the State Department's 168 projects, and 92 of the U.S. Agency for International Development's 114 projects. Funding resumed in June 2020, but both agencies reported delays and fewer services to beneficiaries during the 14-month suspension. And, immigration was a problem during Trump’s 4 years, it didn’t magically happen the day that President Biden take office. www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/05/border-crisis-donald-trump-226573/
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 30, 2021 1:40:39 GMT
Okay, that was my post so not sure where Gia came from. I also assume you are not saying I am a disturbed individual because I can’t think of anything I have ever posted that would give that impression. Jeremysgirl: Honestly how I feel is that neither party is trying to put forth something that is truly what is best for the American people. It seems like agendas are being pushed. I was frustrated a few years ago when Republicans had the control of House and Senate and nothing got done. I don’t fault Biden necessarily on things not getting done because senators and reps are too busy having pissing matches with one another so it can’t be put on Biden solely. My only thought though is Obama would have been more successful. His party seemed to buy into him more than they are for Biden. None of the Democratic party's ideas are ideas to you? Raising taxes on people making over $400k a year in order to fund child care? The infrastructure bill? Voting rights act? Healthcare form? Climate change proposals? Student loan reform? These are all policy items with introduced legislation to back them up. They are not agendas. You can actually look at what is being proposed. Where are the Republican plans? Where are their bills? Not to mention Laurie that the “pissing matches” are attempts to negotiate said policies listed above. There are two democratic senators that seem to hold all of the negotiating power since we can’t rely on any republicans to vote on something democrats put forward. Even if it benefits their constituents.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 1:43:52 GMT
Pixiechick is just like most of the typical trumpers. No facts, spin lies, deflect and push buttons for amusement.
I enjoy a good debate, but pixie is taking the good out of the debate. Ignore her. That's torturous for the emotionally immature trumpers.
And are we sure it's Gia and not Lauren? Or did Lauren return briefly and then vanish again? I can't keep up.
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 30, 2021 3:29:32 GMT
Pixiechick is just like most of the typical trumpers. No facts, spin lies, deflect and push buttons for amusement. I enjoy a good debate, but pixie is taking the good out of the debate. Ignore her. That's torturous for the emotionally immature trumpers. And are we sure it's Gia and not Lauren? Or did Lauren return briefly and then vanish again? I can't keep up. Bullshit. Your post is pure and utter bullshit. I post SO many facts and back them up. And more so lately, backed up with democrat and left leaning sources to avoid anyone using the excuse that my sources aren't credible. That doesn't seem to matter though, they still use that excuse along with a revolving loop of ridiculously transparent excuses. I think that's the problem though. There's a certain type of person that can not maturely process having someone provide info that debunks their narrative, no matter who the source and the only way they can emotionally handle it is by vilifying the messenger. I certainly don't lie. I don't deflect or push buttons. So, of course, by all means, please DO ignore me if you can't interact with me without a personal attack.I get as tired of defending myself as you claim you do of me posting. Though I have never, not once, ever, ever, ever started any of this shit. That kinda points to you and your ilk really do enjoy this kind of bullshit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 4:32:43 GMT
Bullshit. Your post is pure and utter bullshit. I post SO many facts and back them up. And more so lately, backed up with democrat and left leaning sources to avoid anyone using the excuse that my sources aren't credible. I've seen you post exactly ONE youtube compilation of various talking heads around the 2020 election about Biden and his age and gaffes - after I had to ask you twice to cite a source of Biden's mental decline. People have made similar compilations of talking heads detailing the monstrosities of Trump. ONE compilation video does not "lots of facts" make. When you post your opinions, post them along with reputable sources from professors, scientists, doctors, etc. as back up.
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 30, 2021 5:26:58 GMT
Yes! That's what people are saying. And he's visibly mentally declining as he does. Which affects his ability to run a country. Biden's policies suck. His execution sucks. His care for Americans suck. He's divisive. He's pitting part of the country against the other part. Nope He may be PHYSICALLY declining. Where do you get "mentally declining"? Oh, right out of your hindquarters.
I'll leave your observations of Biden alone as you're showing your true colors and those w/common decency can see them brightly.
Thanks.
I've seen you post exactly ONE youtube compilation of various talking heads around the 2020 election about Biden and his age and gaffes - after I had to ask you twice to cite a source of Biden's mental decline. People have made similar compilations of talking heads detailing the monstrosities of Trump. ONE compilation video does not "lots of facts" make. When you post your opinions, post them along with reputable sources from professors, scientists, doctors, etc. as back up. You asked me where I got mentally declining. I showed a video of him in a trance in a bizarre stance in the middle of a televised interview. Straight from THE source. You dismissed it. I showed you a video that I have posted before showing that even democrats and left leaning news are commenting on his MENTAL DECLINE. NOW you move the goal posts (the ever revolving excuses) and NOW say it has to be "from professors, scientists, doctors, etc. as back up." We both know that even IF i were to do your bidding and show you "from professors, scientists, doctors, etc. as back up." (the Obama administration dr HAS commented on it) that you would find a new reason my source doesn't count. You'd move the goal posts again. Hell if there was proof that Biden had said it himself you'd dismiss that too. So, as far as it has to be "from professors, scientists, doctors, etc. as back up" -when you do that for every fact and opinion you post, then you might have a leg to stand on. Until then, you can scroll past my posts or engage in honest discussion. Because as of now you are NOT being honest in your debate. As I've shown with FACTS straight from YOUR posts to back THAT up.
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Post by onelasttime on Oct 30, 2021 6:05:02 GMT
Nope He may be PHYSICALLY declining. Where do you get "mentally declining"? Oh, right out of your hindquarters.
I'll leave your observations of Biden alone as you're showing your true colors and those w/common decency can see them brightly.
Thanks.
I've seen you post exactly ONE youtube compilation of various talking heads around the 2020 election about Biden and his age and gaffes - after I had to ask you twice to cite a source of Biden's mental decline. People have made similar compilations of talking heads detailing the monstrosities of Trump. ONE compilation video does not "lots of facts" make. When you post your opinions, post them along with reputable sources from professors, scientists, doctors, etc. as back up. You asked me where I got mentally declining. I showed a video of him in a trance in a bizarre stance in the middle of a televised interview. Straight from THE source. You dismissed it. I showed you a video that I have posted before showing that even democrats and left leaning news are commenting on his MENTAL DECLINE. NOW you move the goal posts (the ever revolving excuses) and NOW say it has to be "from professors, scientists, doctors, etc. as back up." We both know that even IF i were to do your bidding and show you "from professors, scientists, doctors, etc. as back up." (the Obama administration dr HAS commented on it) that you would find a new reason my source doesn't count. You'd move the goal posts again. Hell if there was proof that Biden had said it himself you'd dismiss that too. So, as far as it has to be "from professors, scientists, doctors, etc. as back up" -when you do that for every fact and opinion you post, then you might have a leg to stand on. Until then, you can scroll past my posts or engage in honest discussion. Because as of now you are NOT being honest in your debate. As I've shown with FACTS straight from YOUR posts to back THAT up. How do you know those YouTube videos weren’t edited? People are very good at editing videos to tell the story they want to tell instead of the real story.. You mean this guy when you talk about Obama Administration Dr? Personally I think he is a raving lunatic. The fact is no matter how many videos you produce as your proof the only people who know for sure about his mental state are his doctor and his wife and maybe close aids. Maybe the VP. Otherwise it’s pure conjecture by those who want it to be true.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 13:10:28 GMT
. I showed a video of him in a trance in a bizarre stance in the middle of a televised interview. Straight from THE source. You dismissed it. I showed you a video that I have posted before showing that even democrats and left leaning news are commenting on his MENTAL DECLINE. You did not show a video "in a trance" you showed a video of an odd physical stance.
Your second video, as I stated, was a bunch of talking heads during the campaign nattering about Biden's gaffes. Just as talking heads nattered about Trump's gaffes, 2-handed drinking, shuffling, etc.
Nattering talking heads are NOT "doctors, scientists, professors, etc".
And yes, when I post sources, most often I post sources w/the "doctors, scientists, professors" from reputable publications.
Try again.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 30, 2021 13:22:49 GMT
Pixiechick is just like most of the typical trumpers. No facts, spin lies, deflect and push buttons for amusement. I enjoy a good debate, but pixie is taking the good out of the debate. Ignore her. That's torturous for the emotionally immature trumpers. And are we sure it's Gia and not Lauren? Or did Lauren return briefly and then vanish again? I can't keep up. Bullshit. Your post is pure and utter bullshit. I post SO many facts and back them up. And more so lately, backed up with democrat and left leaning sources to avoid anyone using the excuse that my sources aren't credible. That doesn't seem to matter though, they still use that excuse along with a revolving loop of ridiculously transparent excuses. I think that's the problem though. There's a certain type of person that can not maturely process having someone provide info that debunks their narrative, no matter who the source and the only way they can emotionally handle it is by vilifying the messenger. I certainly don't lie. I don't deflect or push buttons. So, of course, by all means, please DO ignore me if you can't interact with me without a personal attack.I get as tired of defending myself as you claim you do of me posting. Though I have never, not once, ever, ever, ever started any of this shit. That kinda points to you and your ilk really do enjoy this kind of bullshit. Your entire post is a lie. So you do lie.
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