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Post by mirabelleswalker on May 31, 2015 19:04:04 GMT
From what I have read on facebook, around the internet, and even here, some people are enjoying this all way too much. The person that released this information did not considered, even for a second, what they were doing to the victims. I do agree with this as well. I have said this from the beginning. People said the world should know. Okay, the world knows now. Let it die. Let them deal with this in peace. I will not click on a link to a story or watch a show about it. That just feeds into the fury and blood lusting. It's disgusting, not as bad as what Josh did, but it's using the victims for gain or "I told you so" or whatever. It's repulsive. The Duggar family could derail this train to some extent. I hold the parents responsible for the ongoing headline-ish-ness of all of this. "By remaining on television and in the public eye we are doing a disservice to our children. We need to step back and deal with our family issues privately. We do not wish to continue our television show under these circumstances." End of story.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 19:10:56 GMT
I do agree with this as well. I have said this from the beginning. People said the world should know. Okay, the world knows now. Let it die. Let them deal with this in peace. I will not click on a link to a story or watch a show about it. That just feeds into the fury and blood lusting. It's disgusting, not as bad as what Josh did, but it's using the victims for gain or "I told you so" or whatever. It's repulsive. The Duggar family could derail this train to some extent. I hold the parents responsible for the ongoing headline-ish-ness of all of this. "By remaining on television and in the public eye we are doing a disservice to our children. We need to step back and deal with our family issues privately. We do not wish to continue our television show under these circumstances." End of story. Exactly. But they are attention whores who want to scream to the world how they are being opressed for being Christian. I guarantee that's how the interview will go.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 19:15:39 GMT
brainwashing n. noun
1. Intensive, forcible indoctrination, usually political or religious, aimed at destroying a person's basic convictions and attitudes and replacing them with an alternative set of fixed beliefs. Ah lynlam leave it to you to point out what you always seem to be trying to do on this board. It must be so frustrating for you that we won't fall in line. As to the rest of your 2 posts on this thread, they just aren't worth commenting on.
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Post by bayoulj on May 31, 2015 19:47:39 GMT
No we will not boycott ... Just what do you people on the left want them to do to a fourteen year old boy at the time .... ?! They did what was not politically correct .... They punished him by sending him away and hard work.... You and no one else are part of that family.... Why are you so quick to judge..... You and I both do not know the whole story that has been out for years .... So it is better for all just unplug the tvs !!!!
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Post by lucyg on May 31, 2015 19:52:39 GMT
No we will not boycott ... Just what do you people on the left want them to do to a fourteen year old boy at the time .... ?! They did what was not politically correct .... They punished him by sending him away and hard work.... You and no one else are part of that family.... Why are you so quick to judge..... You and I both do not know the whole story that has been out for years .... So it is better for all just unplug the tvs !!!! What makes you think it's all people on the left who are angry about this situation? It's people with a conscience, left or right. I suggest you read the whole thread before you start attacking people.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 19:57:51 GMT
No we will not boycott ... Just what do you people on the left want them to do to a fourteen year old boy at the time .... ?! They did what was not politically correct .... They punished him by sending him away and hard work.... You and no one else are part of that family.... Why are you so quick to judge..... You and I both do not know the whole story that has been out for years .... So it is better for all just unplug the tvs !!!! Not politically correct? Um no. They skirted the law. And hid the crimes for well over a year and when their hands were finally forced they downplayed it to the officer. Who is now in jail for 56 YEARS for child pornography. Real winners they are.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 20:10:05 GMT
No we will not boycott ... Just what do you people on the left want them to do to a fourteen year old boy at the time .... ?! They did what was not politically correct .... They punished him by sending him away and hard work.... You and no one else are part of that family.... Why are you so quick to judge..... You and I both do not know the whole story that has been out for years .... So it is better for all just unplug the tvs !!!! How the parents responded had nothing to do with political correctness. It was irresponsible and in their interest to protect their golden child, the eldest, they failed their daughters and any other young female he would come in contact with. Sending someone away for a few months for some hard labor does not help curb one's appetite for incestuous molestation. Structured, intense therapy was in order. It floors me that you think they did enough. They failed ALL of their children.
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Post by foolana on May 31, 2015 20:11:42 GMT
This has nothing to do with left or right, Christian or non-Christian, or people with large families or small families. This is about a crime that was committed on 5 young girls. It's about a family who cares more about the perpetrator of a crime than they do for the victims of it. This is about hypocrites who pretend to be more moral than the rest of us but in reality they are immoral by allowing one of their own to sexually abuse their other children.
I really didn't expect lynlam to be on the opposite side of this terrible issue. I guess I should stop being surprised by just how horrible she really is.
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Post by birukitty on May 31, 2015 20:47:10 GMT
This has nothing to do with left or right, Christian or non-Christian, or people with large families or small families. This is about a crime that was committed on 5 young girls. It's about a family who cares more about the perpetrator of a crime than they do for the victims of it. This is about hypocrites who pretend to be more moral than the rest of us but in reality they are immoral by allowing one of their own to sexually abuse their other children. I really didn't expect lynlam to be on the opposite side of this terrible issue. I guess I should stop being surprised by just how horrible she really is. I agree! Yesterday I was sitting with my mother in the ER (she's fine, she was there for a pinched nerve in the shoulder) and the TV in the waiting room had the news channel on and this story flashed up on the screen. I don't know how but she hadn't heard this story so she asked me about it. I don't think she's ever seen the show either. So I told her. My mother is a very religious (Russian Orthodox) Republican. She was horrified and disgusted with what the parents had done and especially what they hadn't done to protect their girls. I'm Catholic and a Democrat. I'm angry as hell at the parents and think they should be prosecuted for hiding the crimes committed by Josh until the time ran out for him to be prosecuted, and most importantly and especially for failure to protect their girls and get them the counselling and treatment they desperately needed. For not removing Josh from the home when he was a clear danger to their other children. I realize this isn't possible, but wish it was. The fact that Josh and especially his parents get off Scott free makes me so frustrated, mostly for their girls. And what about the little ones still in their home. What about when Josh comes home to visit? Not to mention his own children? Who will protect them? Lynlam never fails to surprise me. I've come to understand that whatever my position is, hers will be the exact opposite and usually way out there too. I would put her on ignore, but her posts are usually so out there they are entertaining to read. And she never comes back to argue a point so it's just one post to read and that's it. Debbie in MD.
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Post by amom23 on May 31, 2015 20:52:34 GMT
No we will not boycott ... Just what do you people on the left want them to do to a fourteen year old boy at the time .... ?! They did what was not politically correct .... They punished him by sending him away and hard work.... You and no one else are part of that family.... Why are you so quick to judge..... You and I both do not know the whole story that has been out for years .... So it is better for all just unplug the tvs !!!! Jim and Michelle needed to get that 14 year old boy and his sisters into some serious therapy!!!!!!!!! Praying to God and hard work wasn't going to cut it. It makes me absolutely sick how people like you defend a molester. Nobody would be judging them if they didn't throw their precious holier than thou lifestyle in our faces via TV every week. If you don't want people to know your business and make judgments then get your business off the f*cking TV.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 21:09:13 GMT
I'm a conservative Christian. I'm probably more right of center than just about anyone on this thread. I am not salivating at the thought of the Duggars being taken down for this. I grieve. I grieve that the victims were robbed of their security and the bond between sibling is irrevocably broken. I grieve that the name of Christ is being mocked and dragged through the mud because of the actions of His followers.
Because the Duggars were wrong in how they handled the abuse. Because they didn't really know how to deal with sexual abuse, it continued. Minimizing it by calling it a mistake is just whitewashing it. Josh Duggar sexually abused his sisters. He planned it. He repeated it. That's not a mistake.
Do I believe in forgiveness? Absolutely I do. I also believe in the power of Jesus to heal those who've been hurt. I believe that if Josh Duggar truly repented, God has the power to change his heart and he is not the same person today as he was when he was a teenager.
Even with forgiveness and healing, there are scars, long-lasting ones. The sacred bond between siblings was destroyed. The trust that is supposed to exist between a brother and sister was obliterated. The protection that an older brother is supposed to offer became a nightmare.
My sympathy lies with the victims. They didn't choose any of this. They didn't choose being in the spotlight so their family could be put under a microscope. Their parents did that. Hopefully they are far enough in their healing that having it all dragged up maliciously won't set them back.
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Post by JBeans on May 31, 2015 21:09:42 GMT
No we will not boycott ... Just what do you people on the left want them to do to a fourteen year old boy at the time .... ?! They did what was not politically correct .... They punished him by sending him away and hard work.... You and no one else are part of that family.... Why are you so quick to judge..... You and I both do not know the whole story that has been out for years .... So it is better for all just unplug the tvs !!!! Oh come on now. You know EXACTLY why people are mad and you know that this crosses a strata of political ideologies. All these posts do is play a game of silly bugger.
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Post by sues on May 31, 2015 22:34:35 GMT
They DID handle the situation. Josh was 14 years old for God's sake. He did have consequences. They did not leave him in the home with the girls. yes, he came back home after a while, but he was separated from them immediately. And, he CONFESSED to it. He begged for help. He was not caught red-handed. He wanted to stop, he knew he was doing wrong, he asked for help, for mercy, for forgiveness. His parents gave all of that to him, and also helped the girls heal as well.
This statement makes me want to throw up.
If YOUR daughter- your sweet, innocent, 6 year old daughter was molested by a 14 year old, don't tell me you would be so fast to deem the situation so easily rectified. Don't tell me these faux consequences would have been enough. Don't tell me you would have said 'He was only 14. He isn't really a deviant.' Don't tell me you would have been so easily pacified. Really- please don't.
I lose a little more faith in humanity every time I read comments of support toward the Duggar parents and their horrible son. No wonder little girls don't come forward. No fucking WONDER.
The Duggar story just has girls/women of all ages -all over the world- thinking "That's why I never told anyone. And I was right." It's horrifying. The only thing worse than the abuse is knowing no one is going to do right by you. And the only thing worse than that is knowing you are/were correct.
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Post by myboysnme on May 31, 2015 22:48:07 GMT
Bullshit. If you want to name names, then woman up and do it. Otherwise, you're just spewing nonsense. I haven't seen one person post anything that resembles enjoyment on this issue. Now facebook, and the internet? I'll agree with you. There are some really tasteless memes and things being posted. This situation is nothing to joke about. But here? I haven't seen that at all. Nor have I seen anyone "enjoying" themselves. I have seen it all over the internet.. this gleeful ... high five!!!-now the Duggar's will fall!!!-hahahah!!!-this is great!!!-attitude. I am not going to "name names" here, heck, I do not even keep track and now the comments are probably buried deep in a thread somewhere. We all know there has been a little of that here. It is easy to get wrapped up in the hoopla. I feel people that really, really come on strong about this certainly did not watch the show or follow the girls on social media etc..etc.. THESE ARE REAL PEOPLE!! These are innocent, precious girls. My best friend was abused by her step-father (from her earliest memory-age 16) and she is desperate to keep her secret. These Duggar girls did not want this to come out. The person that released this information did it for one reason and we all know that. That reason had nothing to do with the girls. I have said it before, I am on the same team with those sickened by this. Frankly, I can't even stand to see Josh's face!! I just want to point out that if the family had even a tiny iota of concern for the privacy of their daughters, they would never have exposed their family to the world through their reality TV show. They knew this was going on, and let me repeat, sexual perpetrators do not offend once or twice, or even 5 times. That's like the alcoholic who gets pulled over for DUI never used alcohol before that time. If your best friend was desperate to keep it a secret, you would not know about it. She told you because she wanted to tell someone she trusted. One of the girls who Josh Dugger abused finally told someone they trusted. Then the family turned themselves loose on society as media darlings; every single pass of gas warranted an appearance on Good Morning America. We were exposed to every single aspect of their lives that they wanted us to see. Well along with that sometimes comes the things they didn't want us to see, and I know they are not stupid people - they knew what they had gotten into pretty quickly. If those girls wanted privacy there is no way they would entertain the idea of any spin off's. They don't want privacy, they want money. The root of all evil.
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Post by traceys on Jun 1, 2015 2:35:29 GMT
I think that the employees of FOX news will do ANYTHING, even interview the Duggars, to keep the focus off of Hastert, face of the Republican Party for so many years, and his millions of dollars in hush money to cover up sexual misconduct with a BOY while he was a teacher. To some degree it apparently works because we have a thread about the Duggar interview, but not a mention of Hastert and his pedophilia and cover up.... I guess somebody forgot to tell the people on Fox News Sunday, because they talked about it this morning.
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Post by sues on Jun 1, 2015 2:47:15 GMT
I just want to point out that if the family had even a tiny iota of concern for the privacy of their daughters, they would never have exposed their family to the world through their reality TV show. They knew this was going on, and let me repeat, sexual perpetrators do not offend once or twice, or even 5 times. That's like the alcoholic who gets pulled over for DUI never used alcohol before that time. If your best friend was desperate to keep it a secret, you would not know about it. She told you because she wanted to tell someone she trusted. One of the girls who Josh Dugger abused finally told someone they trusted. Then the family turned themselves loose on society as media darlings; every single pass of gas warranted an appearance on Good Morning America. We were exposed to every single aspect of their lives that they wanted us to see. Well along with that sometimes comes the things they didn't want us to see, and I know they are not stupid people - they knew what they had gotten into pretty quickly. If those girls wanted privacy there is no way they would entertain the idea of any spin off's. They don't want privacy, they want money. The root of all evil. Oh, I totally agree with you about the possibility this was not a one, two, or five time act. My best friend AND the Duggar girls have the right to keep secret what they want. Just because they have a TV show and run to Good Morning America for every little happy thing does not mean anything from their past should be dug up and shared with the world. If they allow a spin off, I will stop feeling sorry that their privacy was violated. If they are as upset as I think they should be over this coming out, then they would not show their faces back on TV. We'll see... you may just be right!!!! This is just one more way the stupid Duggar parents are victimizing their daughters. They thought they buried this. They thought they got away with it. And they thought they were so wonderful, they'd share their family with the world. I've always been 'live and let live' about them. I don't agree with the choices they make, I don't understand them, I am not interested in them. Until now. They knew they had this horrible secret and Jim Bob ran for public office. Then they signed on for a reality show. How on God's green earth did they think this wouldn't come to the surface? The only surprise is how long it took to come out. They took a gamble AGAIN re: their daughters' well being- but this time they lost. Who is to blame for that? The media? Liberals? Fans? Non-fans? When do they take responsibility for their bad decisions? Their kids are suffering the consequences (but by all means, have 10 fucking MORE). The girls' right to privacy never came into play by the only people that could have stopped this trainwreck in its tracks. Their horrible brother and parents took it all away from them. Are some people sounding a little too gleeful about this mess? Maybe. I can't fault them though. The Duggars created this situation for themselves from top to bottom, with reckless disregard for their daughters. These prim and proper model citizens who made a career of showing people- and telling people- the right way to live, have been exposed as -not merely flawed- but disgustingly degenerate. I feel bad for the girls. God knows, I do. But the only one to point the finger at, is Josh and their parents.
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Post by elaine on Jun 1, 2015 3:26:11 GMT
I think that the employees of FOX news will do ANYTHING, even interview the Duggars, to keep the focus off of Hastert, face of the Republican Party for so many years, and his millions of dollars in hush money to cover up sexual misconduct with a BOY while he was a teacher. To some degree it apparently works because we have a thread about the Duggar interview, but not a mention of Hastert and his pedophilia and cover up.... I guess somebody forgot to tell the people on Fox News Sunday, because they talked about it this morning. Nah, I bet they read this post of mine that I wrote on Saturday night and decided to to discuss it the next day! So, since I didn't watch Fox this morning, what was their take on boy child molester Hastert and his millions in cover up money? How disgusted were they? What repercussions did they call for? eta: I went over to the Fox News website to look for video of this morning's coverage that you referred to and there is NO mention of or links to the story about Hastert on their homepage, but Kerry's broken leg is linked at least 4 times. Then I went over to the "Politics" page and again, not one single mention or link to the news about Hastert. So, apparently they really aren't doing much to cover it.
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Post by elaine on Jun 1, 2015 3:38:02 GMT
FWIW, I had never heard of the Duggars until 2Peas and then Refupeas. No one I know IRL watches their show. None of my friends discusses them on my Facebook feed. But there have been regular threads covering them at both boards for YEARS now - this is the only place I see them discussed.
So, given they are celebrities here, I can't imagine why anyone is throwing fits that people are discussing, watching, disgusted with, etc., the sexual abuse and cover up. Clearly this board, and the original 2Peas, has the very demographic that the TV show was angling for and aimed at.
The Duggars voluntarily made a TV show and accepted large amounts of money for it, why shouldn't the public whose viewership pays their salary have a very vocal opinion about the sexual abuse of a number of the girls in the show that they put out there for the money the show would bring? Each episode pays them at least $25,000. The parents appear more interested in getting their hands on that money than worrying about the publicity of abuse and what it would do to those girls, which was bound to come out, given how many people knew about it.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Jun 1, 2015 4:29:22 GMT
I will be very surprised if they admit that they didn't do anything - or did little - for the daughters. They have to know this is the crux of much of the criticism. Part of their campaign to resurrect their image will have to include assuaging people's concerns about their daughters' welfare. Also, I would be very surprised if they're not getting professional PR advice. I doubt they did anything for the girls, as they would have said so when they were talking about "all" the things they did for Josh. Of course, now they'll say they supported the girls back then in every way, but that they didn't talk about it because they wanted to protect their (the girls') privacy. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that they are, indeed, getting professional PR advice, and that it's being paid for/provided by TLC.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Jun 1, 2015 5:08:28 GMT
If your home isn't a Nielsen ratings home, does what you watch support a certain show? I don't see how.
It's obvious my home, without its Nielsen box (or whatever is used to monitor national viewing trends for ratings data), has no say in what shows stay or go. If we did, Fringe would still be on. And Firefly.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 1, 2015 5:34:03 GMT
I just wanted to say that it's only pedophilia if the minor is prepubescent. Post puberty, you can't call it pedophilia. Well, you can, but you'd be wrong. (The reason I even care is that the term pedophilia is so very loaded in our culture. I don't think it's fair to label someone a pedophile when they don't meet the description.) ETA definition of pedophilia @ Wikipedia.
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Post by iluvpink on Jun 1, 2015 6:11:18 GMT
I just wanted to say that it's only pedophilia if the minor is prepubescent. Post puberty, you can't call it pedophilia. Well, you can, but you'd be wrong. (The reason I even care is that the term pedophilia is so very loaded in our culture. I don't think it's fair to label someone a pedophile when they don't meet the description.) ETA definition of pedophilia @ Wikipedia.I believe one of the girls was only four or five since one of them is still a minor.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 1, 2015 6:31:50 GMT
I just wanted to say that it's only pedophilia if the minor is prepubescent. Post puberty, you can't call it pedophilia. Well, you can, but you'd be wrong. (The reason I even care is that the term pedophilia is so very loaded in our culture. I don't think it's fair to label someone a pedophile when they don't meet the description.) ETA definition of pedophilia @ Wikipedia.I believe one of the girls was only four or five since one of them is still a minor. Yes, of course. I should have clarified, I was referring to the Denny Hastert thing.
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Post by traceys on Jun 1, 2015 8:04:05 GMT
I guess somebody forgot to tell the people on Fox News Sunday, because they talked about it this morning. Nah, I bet they read this post of mine that I wrote on Saturday night and decided to to discuss it the next day! So, since I didn't watch Fox this morning, what was their take on boy pedophile Hastert and his millions in cover up money? How disgusted were they? What repercussions did they call for? eta: I went over to the Fox News website to look for video of this morning's coverage that you referred to and there is NO mention of or links to the story about Hastert on their homepage, but Kerry's broken leg is linked at least 4 times. Then I went over to the "Politics" page and again, not one single mention or link to the news about Hastert. So, apparently they really aren't doing much to cover it. This story was from Thursday, May 29. I don't specifically remember much about what they said, as I only half pay attention to any of the shows, but I do remember that both FNS and Meet The Press talked about his lobbying career after he left government and the problems with that. It didn't seem like anybody really knew much about the issue at the base of it all, because the indictment only deals with some kind of banking regulations. I know that doesn't really answer your questions, but that's really all I remember about the discussion from both shows.
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Post by elaine on Jun 1, 2015 9:44:18 GMT
I believe one of the girls was only four or five since one of them is still a minor. Yes, of course. I should have clarified, I was referring to the Denny Hastert thing. Thanks, Lucy! I'll be more careful and change my usage above.
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Post by Kelpea on Jun 1, 2015 14:05:33 GMT
Ok that actually made my snort out loud.
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Post by Regina Phalange on Jun 1, 2015 14:31:24 GMT
Josh made Time magazine this week...maybe we should bash that too...I will watch the interview only because I hope they are raked over the coals and made to look like the fools they truly are. I can guarantee you they chose Fox News because they think they will be sympathetic to them. I don't ever watch Fox News, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was nothing more than a fluff interview to make them look good. IMO, of course.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Jun 1, 2015 20:33:40 GMT
I can't imagine them/their handlers agreeing to an interview unless they were promised it'd be a fluff piece.
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Post by sues on Jun 1, 2015 22:59:22 GMT
I doubt they did anything for the girls
But....but....but.... they prayed for them. Intensely.
Which is great- except that it's is likely the only thing they did.
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Post by uksue on Jun 1, 2015 23:18:24 GMT
This family scares me. They seem to want us to believe they are such a pure and wholesome family but covered up something so awful that has undoubtedly damaged some of their children. They gave been so unforgiving and vocal about other 'sins', trying to say that homosexuality is curable etc, and those taking part in incest should be put to death. Yet they would cover something lies this up? I also have to say that Josh's wife scares me: she clearly couldn't protect her own children from his actions being so blinkered. I am also aghast that records have been destroyed rather than just sealed and am confused by the statute of imitations on this, as we have several investigations into paedophile activity currently which go back far more years than these acts.
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