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Post by Regina Phalange on Jun 2, 2015 17:11:25 GMT
Yes, I'm pretty sure she is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 17:15:36 GMT
Yes, I'm pretty sure she is.
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Post by Skypea on Jun 2, 2015 17:23:16 GMT
You're entitled to your apparent belief that everyone who isn't 100% in lockstep with your opinions is ignorant, an idiot, or any of the variety of other insults you like to throw around, but that doesn't make it correct. Being angry and loud and repetitive doesn't make you right, either. and once again, everything you've said here is just a reflection of the liberals. the name calling, insults, being angry and loud and repetitive. I think you'll find those things listed in Alinsky's list. perversion? why do you call it that? because you don't agree with it? you have no idea how they handled it within their family. Who would make a national headline of something like that? you? Is that what parents are to do now? run to the media when their kid does something wrong? "Logs, planks, eyes, etc" - so misused.
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Post by Skypea on Jun 2, 2015 17:34:52 GMT
really? disown their son? and what if he was 'just' gay? would you disown him then? You are not comparing a sexual predator who violated five girls to a homosexual are you? pick your perversion... what do you have to support what you consider is?
are you saying you'd disown your son for this?
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Post by Skypea on Jun 2, 2015 17:36:06 GMT
You are not comparing a sexual predator who violated five girls to a homosexual are you? pick your perversion... what do you have to support what you consider is?
are you saying you'd disown your son for this?
yes, I think that IS what scrappower is saying...
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Post by georgiapea on Jun 2, 2015 17:36:46 GMT
If he was "just gay" he would have wanted to 'poke' his baby brothers instead of his sisters, so the same principal applies. Deviant is deviant, be it gay or straight.
ETA: Abusing children is deviant behavior. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 18:02:34 GMT
pick your perversion... what do you have to support what you consider is?
are you saying you'd disown your son for this?
yes, I think that IS what scrappower is saying...
Being gay isn't a perversion. Sexually abusing young girls including your sisters is. And if he was my child he would NOT be allowed in the house with them again. Ever.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 18:03:29 GMT
If he was "just gay" he would have wanted to 'poke' his baby brothers instead of his sisters, so the same principal applies. Deviant is deviant, be it gay or straight. Except those that abuse young boys are normally not gay.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 18:05:07 GMT
and once again, everything you've said here is just a reflection of the liberals. the name calling, insults, being angry and loud and repetitive. I think you'll find those things listed in Alinsky's list. You know Skypea your constant negative comments about liberials fits all to well in the definition of a bigot. In case you are not sure what the definition of bigot is see below: bigot - a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas etc. Or A person who is obstinately or intolernantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. One who regards or treats the members of a group, in this case liberals or gays, with hatred and intolerance. You can see why I thought of bigot when I read your latest rant. For the devote Christian you claim to be maybe you had better do some reflection on your attitude as I'm pretty sure bigotry would not be one of those strongly held Christian beliefs of yours. What happened in the Duggar family is not a liberal vrs conservation issue. What happened in the family and the cover-up are just plain wrong on a human level if you know what I mean.
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Post by amom23 on Jun 2, 2015 18:05:49 GMT
It really doesn't matter how the interview turns out. The damage is done. Their secret is out. Josh will forever be known as the teenage molester and his parents as the ones who covered it up. The family image is shot to hell and their TV show sponsors are gone.
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Post by Regina Phalange on Jun 2, 2015 18:30:59 GMT
If he was "just gay" he would have wanted to 'poke' his baby brothers instead of his sisters, so the same principal applies. Deviant is deviant, be it gay or straight. ETA: Abusing children is deviant behavior. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation. Wow, that was incredibly ignorant. Child molesters are attracted to kids because they are kids, not because they are boys or girls. For the most part, once they hit puberty they are no longer desirable. It has absolutely nothing to do with sexual orientation. Jerry Sandusky is a good example. Married for decades yet spent that time fondling little boys. He had unlimited access to high school and college aged boys, but he always took the younger ones. It's about the child being a child, not being of a certain sex.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 19:08:15 GMT
How do we know they did nothing for the girls? Because the "parents" and Josh both talk about what was done for Josh. You know damned well that they'd be going on about all the wonderful things they'd done for their daughters, if they'd done anything. It's pretty obvious. I've never watched anything "Duggar" in my life and never even opened a Duggar thread until they became the news. So any info I get is from here because they havent been in any of the news I've been watching lately. What you said made sense but then I was watching the news and a quote from Josh was put up. The end of it was "...and my parents arranged for me and those affected by my actions to receive counseling." So for those wondering, the victims did receive something beyond just doing chores to take their mind off of it, as was suggested somewhere upthread. They did receive and are possibly still receiving some sort of counseling. Maybe they'll get into more detail on that in the Kelly interview.
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Post by katieanna on Jun 2, 2015 20:39:10 GMT
I had no idea that the Duggars were so well connected that this could do damage to the Republican party. I only thought of them as a religious family with a "reality" show. I spend less than thirty minutes an entire year watching all reality shows combined, so I must have missed that. I do hate to think of the thinly veiled victims having to go through this endlessly. I don't watch reality TV and the station that the Duggars are on we don't get. Outside of the RefuPeas, I'd never heard of them. But it's been an interesting thread. Also...I am a Republican and while I don't keep up on all the political intrigue, I'd never heard of the name "Duggar" as far as politics go. I have an ambivalent view of Christian TV evangelists, et al. The only ones I'll watch (if we can get them) are Billy/Franklin Graham, Dr. Charles Stanley and Dr. David Jeremiah. You couldn't pay me to watch most of the others. As far as politics go, though...I have a feeling that this political race will probably be one of the nastiest...and it's only just beginning.
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Post by Regina Phalange on Jun 2, 2015 20:50:22 GMT
Because the "parents" and Josh both talk about what was done for Josh. You know damned well that they'd be going on about all the wonderful things they'd done for their daughters, if they'd done anything. It's pretty obvious. I've never watched anything "Duggar" in my life and never even opened a Duggar thread until they became the news. So any info I get is from here because they havent been in any of the news I've been watching lately. What you said made sense but then I was watching the news and a quote from Josh was put up. The end of it was "...and my parents arranged for me and those affected by my actions to receive counseling." So for those wondering, the victims did receive something beyond just doing chores to take their mind off of it, as was suggested somewhere upthread. They did receive and are possibly still receiving some sort of counseling. Maybe they'll get into more detail on that in the Kelly interview. Yes, that's what they SAY. But the so called "counseling" that Josh got was doing hard labor at a friend's house. I highly doubt the girls received any sort of ACTUAL psychological counseling. Especially since the kind of religious philosophy they follow basically blames the victims for tempting their abuser.
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Post by katieanna on Jun 2, 2015 20:51:12 GMT
Honestly? Anything short of them saying "we fucked up. We put our daughters in a horrible situation and didn't do what we should have done to protect them and others. We have now disowned our disgusting son and are working to repair the damage our negligence towards our daughters. Due to this, we are withdrawing from the public spectacle and will try to work towards repairing the damage we willingly caused in an attempt to keep our family together and our beliefs intact. We learned that the methods taught to deal with this kind of deviance was unacceptable and foolhardy and we are looking towards changing the way we see this situation" is not going to be good enough. Of course they won't say that. They will say that they did nothing wrong. And that's sad. Why is it that I get the feeling that even if the Duggars would do everything you said and then some, it still wouldn't be enough for a lot of people? The important thing here is the girls who were victimized. But I get the feeling that for a lot of people, it's a great excuse to undercut the faith that the Duggars supposedly espouse not to mention the political propaganda that the media loves to spew. Sorry, but it's just how I see this whole situation. Their son was 14 at the time this happened and he's how old now? And absolutely nothing has been done for those girls since then? Or is that what the interview is supposed to be about? (Sorry if this was mentioned earlier in the thread and I missed it).
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Post by azredhead on Jun 2, 2015 21:31:09 GMT
I never really watched the show I couldn't stand they way the parents talked and they way they talked to their kids. The only show I even watch on TLC is the Little Couple. The only thing that really bothers me about this is something came up on Megyns show yesterday and how the information got how and how the records should have been sealed. As They were Minors. The victims and The accuser. Josh Duggar. Something she mentioned she would bring up. Why is this even being talked about if they were under age and the information was leaked? I have not decided if I will watch the interview. I don't know enough about the show but i do watch Megyn she's not soft.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 21:47:37 GMT
I've never watched anything "Duggar" in my life and never even opened a Duggar thread until they became the news. So any info I get is from here because they havent been in any of the news I've been watching lately. What you said made sense but then I was watching the news and a quote from Josh was put up. The end of it was "...and my parents arranged for me and those affected by my actions to receive counseling." So for those wondering, the victims did receive something beyond just doing chores to take their mind off of it, as was suggested somewhere upthread. They did receive and are possibly still receiving some sort of counseling. Maybe they'll get into more detail on that in the Kelly interview. Yes, that's what they SAY. But the so called "counseling" that Josh got was doing hard labor at a friend's house. I highly doubt the girls received any sort of ACTUAL psychological counseling. Especially since the kind of religious philosophy they follow basically blames the victims for tempting their abuser. I know it's doubted, but that's my point. You could very well be right, but we don't know. I'm hoping they'll cover it in the interview, because it would be nice to know they got and are getting actual help.
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Post by elaine on Jun 2, 2015 21:51:53 GMT
I never really watched the show I couldn't stand they way the parents talked and they way they talked to their kids. The only show I even watch on TLC is the Little Couple. The only thing that really bothers me about this is something came up on Megyns show yesterday and how the information got how and how the records should have been sealed. As They were Minors. The victims and The accuser. Josh Duggar. Something she mentioned she would bring up. Why is this even being talked about if they were under age and the information was leaked? I have not decided if I will watch the interview. I don't know enough about the show but i do watch Megyn she's not soft. I have a hard time understanding why you would even ask this question. Because what they did was heinous and is a national social problem. I am all for ongoing national discussions about 1) the prevalence of incest, 2) about what typically happens when incest is revealed in families in terms of not doing much for the victims, with the concern being much more on keeping the issue silent, and 3) what are appropriate responses when incest is discovered in the family. But, given your whole post, I'll change my prediction to the majority of the focus of Kelly's interview being on how it is a liberal conspiracy that this all came to light and how Jim Bob, Michelle, and Josh are the REAL victims.
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Post by azredhead on Jun 2, 2015 21:56:12 GMT
elaine I'm only asking about why it's being brought out because they were minors at the time at the information was leaked... i may not be asking the ?? right.... I do agree that the crime is awful I am not saying that it isn't...
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Post by elainebenis on Jun 2, 2015 22:08:37 GMT
Because the "parents" and Josh both talk about what was done for Josh. You know damned well that they'd be going on about all the wonderful things they'd done for their daughters, if they'd done anything. It's pretty obvious. I've never watched anything "Duggar" in my life and never even opened a Duggar thread until they became the news. So any info I get is from here because they havent been in any of the news I've been watching lately. What you said made sense but then I was watching the news and a quote from Josh was put up. The end of it was "...and my parents arranged for me and those affected by my actions to receive counseling." So for those wondering, the victims did receive something beyond just doing chores to take their mind off of it, as was suggested somewhere upthread. They did receive and are possibly still receiving some sort of counseling. Maybe they'll get into more detail on that in the Kelly interview.
Any legitimate counselor would also be a mandated reporter. And the outcome of this whole mess would be completely different, on many levels.
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Post by stittsygirl on Jun 2, 2015 22:09:09 GMT
From my reading on other boards, I believe the reason that this police record wasn't sealed is because no trial and conviction actually came about because of it. I also haven't seen any actual proof that it was illegally leaked according to state laws (which I'm sure it falls under). I won't watch the interview, but it will be interesting to see what comes from it. I personally believe it's going to be just a whole lot of deflection.
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Post by elaine on Jun 2, 2015 22:09:45 GMT
elaine I'm only asking about why it's being brought out because they were minors at the time at the information was leaked... i may not be asking the ?? right.... I do agree that the crime is awful I am not saying that it isn't... If the interviews conducted with the police didn't happen until 2006, Josh wouldn't have been a minor any more, even if the incidents started when he was a minor. There is also a legal issue with mandated reporters in Arkansas being told of the abuse and not reporting to Child Services. About a police officer being told in 2003 and all he did was give Josh a stern talking to. About no follow up with Human Services by the police at that time. Probably one of the bigger tip offs as to how this is public is that Oprah Winfrey is the first person to file a report in 2006 when she was tipped off to the abuse before the Duggars were going to be on her show. Josh was an adult then. Only after Oprah's report did the police turn the case over to Human Services. Enough people knew about the abuse to tip off Oprah. Oprah filed a report. I'm willing to guess a number of Oprah's staff then knew about it. Given that, I'm surprised it took this long to come to the public eye. eta: if you are a mandated reporter in the state of Arkansas and fail to report child abuse, it is a misdemeanor and subject to civil prosecution too.
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Post by Regina Phalange on Jun 3, 2015 0:43:20 GMT
Yes, that's what they SAY. But the so called "counseling" that Josh got was doing hard labor at a friend's house. I highly doubt the girls received any sort of ACTUAL psychological counseling. Especially since the kind of religious philosophy they follow basically blames the victims for tempting their abuser. I know it's doubted, but that's my point. You could very well be right, but we don't know. I'm hoping they'll cover it in the interview, because it would be nice to know they got and are getting actual help. Gotcha! We canonly hope!
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Post by lucyg on Jun 3, 2015 3:13:51 GMT
The police report wasn't "leaked." It was released legally to the media under the Freedom of Information Act.
Trying to shut down discussion of the topic by claiming it was minors who were involved and therefore none of our business seems desperate to me.
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Jun 3, 2015 12:30:57 GMT
Side-lining just a little here. I've read so much "once a child-molester, always a child-molester" in this thread. Many 14-year-olds' hormones go completely out of whack temporarily, and some do stupid things. Once their hormones have settled down, the urges go away. Has it been covered whether Josh Duggar ever did those things again? Because if he knew it was wrong, and didn't continue after his confession, then the parents could believe quite easily that their way of treating the whole thing "worked", whether it was lawful or not.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not minimalising his perverted child-hood actions one bit, and I think there should be justice done. But labelling him as a danger to society or to his own daughter, 13 years later, if there was no reoccurrence seems extreme. If his wife knew all about it before she married him, she's going to be keeping her eyes open too.
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Post by brina on Jun 3, 2015 13:02:20 GMT
Side-lining just a little here. I've read so much "once a child-molester, always a child-molester" in this thread. Many 14-year-olds' hormones go completely out of whack temporarily, and some do stupid things. Once their hormones have settled down, the urges go away. Has it been covered whether Josh Duggar ever did those things again? Because if he knew it was wrong, and didn't continue after his confession, then the parents could believe quite easily that their way of treating the whole thing "worked", whether it was lawful or not. Don't get me wrong, I'm not minimalising his perverted child-hood actions one bit, and I think there should be justice done. But labelling him as a danger to society or to his own daughter, 13 years later, if there was no reoccurrence seems extreme. If his wife knew all about it before she married him, she's going to be keeping her eyes open too. to be clear, the first incident occurred when he was 14 (July 2002), the second when he had just turned, or was about to turn 15 (March 2003). The two incidents (that we know about) were 9 months apart.
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Post by Really Red on Jun 3, 2015 14:13:35 GMT
Side-lining just a little here. I've read so much "once a child-molester, always a child-molester" in this thread. Many 14-year-olds' hormones go completely out of whack temporarily, and some do stupid things. Once their hormones have settled down, the urges go away. Has it been covered whether Josh Duggar ever did those things again? Because if he knew it was wrong, and didn't continue after his confession, then the parents could believe quite easily that their way of treating the whole thing "worked", whether it was lawful or not. Don't get me wrong, I'm not minimalising his perverted child-hood actions one bit, and I think there should be justice done. But labelling him as a danger to society or to his own daughter, 13 years later, if there was no reoccurrence seems extreme. If his wife knew all about it before she married him, she's going to be keeping her eyes open too. to be clear, the first incident occurred when he was 14 (July 2002), the second when he had just turned, or was about to turn 15 (March 2003). The two incidents (that we know about) were 9 months apart. Unfortunately, these are the ones we know about. I would be very surprised if they were the only incidences. We also don't know that his wife really knew about this. It's what she is saying. Because if Josh thought it was such a big deal, then I'm even more surprised (if possible) that the parents went on with the show and their numerous unbelievable statements.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jun 3, 2015 15:02:53 GMT
You're entitled to your apparent belief that everyone who isn't 100% in lockstep with your opinions is ignorant, an idiot, or any of the variety of other insults you like to throw around, but that doesn't make it correct. Being angry and loud and repetitive doesn't make you right, either. and once again, everything you've said here is just a reflection of the liberals. the name calling, insults, being angry and loud and repetitive. I think you'll find those things listed in Alinsky's list. perversion? why do you call it that? because you don't agree with it? you have no idea how they handled it within their family. Who would make a national headline of something like that? you? Is that what parents are to do now? run to the media when their kid does something wrong? "Logs, planks, eyes, etc" - so misused. Of course I don't agree with molesting children. You do? Are you seriously arguing that molesting children is not a perversion?
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Post by lucyg on Jun 3, 2015 17:02:30 GMT
and once again, everything you've said here is just a reflection of the liberals. the name calling, insults, being angry and loud and repetitive. I think you'll find those things listed in Alinsky's list. perversion? why do you call it that? because you don't agree with it? you have no idea how they handled it within their family. Who would make a national headline of something like that? you? Is that what parents are to do now? run to the media when their kid does something wrong? "Logs, planks, eyes, etc" - so misused. Of course I don't agree with molesting children. You do? Are you seriously arguing that molesting children is not a perversion? Thank you, Dalai. I read Skypea's post and just thought, ya know what, I can't be bothered. So I'm glad someone else had the energy to point out how ridiculous some of those statements were.
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Post by Regina Phalange on Jun 3, 2015 17:37:41 GMT
Side-lining just a little here. I've read so much "once a child-molester, always a child-molester" in this thread. Many 14-year-olds' hormones go completely out of whack temporarily, and some do stupid things. Once their hormones have settled down, the urges go away. Has it been covered whether Josh Duggar ever did those things again? Because if he knew it was wrong, and didn't continue after his confession, then the parents could believe quite easily that their way of treating the whole thing "worked", whether it was lawful or not. Don't get me wrong, I'm not minimalising his perverted child-hood actions one bit, and I think there should be justice done. But labelling him as a danger to society or to his own daughter, 13 years later, if there was no reoccurrence seems extreme. If his wife knew all about it before she married him, she's going to be keeping her eyes open too. I think the mistake you are making is thinking that this kind of stuff is coming from "raging hormones of teenhood" and that is false. The urges of a child molester have nothing to do with normal teenage hormones. It's a lot more complex than that. This goes beyond typical teen exploration of new feelings, if that makes sense. I mean think about it, when you were going through puberty, did your hormones direct you to sexually touch younger children, namely your siblings?
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