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Post by Olan on Feb 15, 2021 21:22:45 GMT
Olan, I don't think you are pulling anything out of your ass. Not at all. I agree with you. I am just saying that I do not believe the way people on this thread are responding have anything to do with Megan being black. You kinda are saying I am pulling this out of my ass and I bet you’ve not looked at one link. You didn’t say you agreed with me you said that it’s absolutely not a black and white thing. That ain’t my stance! I asked peano if the inactions of white women during slavery somehow bled over into the inaction of white women today and no one wanted to tackle it. Do you really think this has no connection to previous societal handlings of race and motherhood? Also when you say you agree with me about racial disparities in maternal health for black women you realize you aren’t agreeing with me you are simply acknowledging science and statistics. Every argument is backed up by the fact that it’s..well happening. There are dead Black mothers too. So anyone picking apart a celebrity please know you are a particular type of shit human being given the circumstances.
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Post by Olan on Feb 15, 2021 21:15:35 GMT
People find it difficult to be happy for Black women. There is no other explanation. And before anyone tries to fight me on this keep in mind I’m giving your opinion the same value you’ve assigned to mine 😉 An okay article: www.danielledash.com/a-quick-read/2017/2/5/6t8v0qn6o4k6tjixpvsqh6si7rtqu4Material Health disparities: www.glamour.com/gallery/celebrities-who-have-spoken-out-about-black-maternal-health/ampAnd random about the photographer: Last year, Harriman became first Black photographer to shoot the cover for British Vogue's all-important September Issue. That spread featured footballer Marcus Rashford, model Adwoa Aboah and a number of other prominent campaigners, and was headlined "Activism Now: The Faces of Hope." It was a fitting assignment for Harriman, who only became a professional photographer in 2016 after a career in finance, and whose images of the Black Lives Matter protests shot him to prominence in 2020. "Through my lens I have seen the beating heart of London," Harriman told CNN's Christiane Amanpour in August, after a number of pictures he took at protests in the city went viral. One, which featured England youth hockey player Darcy Bourne, outside the US Embassy, holding up a sign reading "Why is ending racism a debate?," came to symbolize the city's demonstrations over the summer. Coded I love Black women threads: 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/64402/beyonce-babesI understand where you're coming from, and I don't deny that it may be true as to some people. But, to say there's no other explanation oversimplifies the situation. While I certainly wish both mother and baby complete health and as much comfort as possible throughout the pregnancy and birth, I'm not really overjoyed at the news of her pregnancy. I suppose her biological clock is ticking, but it seems to me that regardless of age, these two have a fair amount of growing up to do. I feel about this the way you might about a married couple of 20yos announcing a pregnancy - babies are a blessing, and all that, but I do sort of wish they'd tend to themselves a bit longer first. Really, though, as between the two, I pin it more on Harry. He grew up knowing what the expectations of him were. He's more than old enough to know that you can't really expect to have your cake (effectively renounce your lifelong purpose, position, and home) and eat it (retain the respect/admiration/whatever you want to call it that goes with being a working royal engaged in purposeful public work) too. I really don't think - for me at least - it's much to do with her at all. ETA: Before all the young moms get upset that I didn't think they should have their babies, that's not so. Some people are very mature at 20, but the vast majority are not. And almost no people that age have much experience being on their own and finding their own identity, place in the world, etc. by that age. THAT is what I'm referring to. It can turn out fine - even great - for some, and I don't deny that. I didn’t over simplify it. I’m acknowledging the many intricate parts that go together to understand why the criticism of H&M is rooted in something less “fun” than just woman picking apart another woman. It’s sick no matter how you look at it by the way. And we should all be honest enough to acknowledge this wouldn’t happen as much if Megan wasn’t a Black woman. It’s racist and that’s why it looks irrational sometimes. That’s what racism is. Tell tell sign.
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Post by Olan on Feb 15, 2021 21:08:19 GMT
To be clear the RESEARCH behind motherhood, chattel slavery, interracial relationships, white women upholding systems, white women finding it troubling someone else is allowed to be feminine....alll completed and well documented. I’m not pulling this out of my ass.
You could be informed if you made the choice.
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Post by Olan on Feb 15, 2021 21:04:43 GMT
I don't see this as a black woman issue at all. I agree with you that black women unfairly experience disparities in health care, but this is not that. I see it as an issue that women in general always feel the need to comment on other women's childbearing choices. I don't look down upon black women who have large families. But as a white woman, I sure was on the receiving end of all sorts of rude comments because I had 4 babies. Four! The horror! For some reason, women always want to give their opinion. If they announce too soon, it's "shouldn't you have waited until you were in the 'safe' zone?" (There is no safe zone, by the way) They don't like they way they chose to announce, when they chose to announce, they don't like baby showers/gift grabs. And it goes on and on. This is not a black woman vs. white woman thing. there are so many more issues going on in this thread, but that is not one of them. So it’s a million and one issues but the one I think is most common....nope not buying it? 😂😂🤣 Fine by me. I don't see this as a black woman issue at all. I agree with you that black women unfairly experience disparities in health care, but this is not that You aren’t agreeing with me you are acknowledging science and the dead Black mothers who would otherwise be raising their children. Everything isn’t an opportunity to disagree with Olan more often than not it’s a study or someone else’s very developed ideas. Don’t profess to know what “this is”. It’s not wise.
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Post by Olan on Feb 15, 2021 20:52:42 GMT
Why put this on Meghan? Why not Harry? It is his mom and his birth announcement that is referenced, so why is she getting the backlash? If H & M waited much longer making the announcement, she might end up giving birth before Zara. Just to steal her thunder of course. You're riight, its both of them. Because Black women are bossy and responsible for everything wrong in the world. Harry doesn’t make any of his choices anymore.
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Post by Olan on Feb 15, 2021 20:50:39 GMT
I’ll stick around. I like sucking racism out a room.
I’ll see you ladies around 😉
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Post by Olan on Feb 15, 2021 20:47:19 GMT
I need to go into the what do you judge people for thread and say I judge people for spelling it “judgement.” When I was in law school the professors said that’s one of the easiest ways to look stupid in court. As for peas being handslappy about judging in this thread, what the hell would we have to talk about if we weren’t being judgy about something? That’s the whole freaking point of a message board. People can dislike Meghan and Harry because of their actions, not because of her race. It’s not racist to say “I don’t like them because I don’t like the way they behave.” It’s not judgmental to say “hmmmm, they said they wanted to be out of the public eye and yet they keep making press releases.” Go suck the fun out of some other thread, ya damn energy vampires. Openly admitting it’s fun to pick apart a pregnant woman. Y’all are so open with it nowadays. Hide
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Post by Olan on Feb 15, 2021 20:45:00 GMT
Scale back your offense. It’s about as misguided as your criticism of a newly pregnant woman. Let her be.
You do realize how hard it is being a Black woman right? Why add to it?
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Post by Olan on Feb 15, 2021 20:42:31 GMT
Its 100% NOT because she is black. In fact, go to the wedding thread and I was an absolute supporter of Meghan and Harry. I had high hopes from them as a couple and for Meghan as an American marrying into the royal family. I think its weird that Diana is brought up at very turn --- and maybe its not the couples fault, but at some point, when you're the one seeking privacy, then maybe dont announce your pregnant on the same day your dead MIL made her public announcement that she was pregnant. Quoting myself -- but its offensive you are assuming I do not like Meghan because she is black. I work with Black women (and Hispanics, and Caucasian, Arabs, and just about any other group that is local or a refugee to my area) so that they can have healthy babies and be a healthy momma . I dont give two fucks what race you are, what you identify as or if you if you come from money or not. I want all women to have healthy babies, if that is what they want. And my OP for this thread was that Meghan was expecting, and I hope she had a healthy baby. Period. If Meghan showed up where I volunteer and work, I would give her what she needed, help her with access to whatever resources I had contacts to, give her supplies whether or not she could afford them. I don't care what color you are. I would help you and do everything in my power to make sure you had the best care, information and resources available. This is a Black woman idiom but if I haven’t sent for you don’t come for me. That means if nothing I’ve said applies to you carry on. My guess it something resonates regardless of the work you are paid to do. No longer are there whips or a man over seeing the work but trust and believe there are white people upholding racist ideals in more workplaces than not. The maternal death rate for Black women is astronomical and it’s not Black medical providers dispensing inadequate care. Now I don’t know what organization you work for and don’t pretend to know ANYTHING about the work you do I just want to be clear you can’t disqualify yourself from needing to do anti-racist work because of your 9-5 and volunteer work. I asked you if you thought your critique of Megan was because she was Black and you said no. Why come back quoting yourself like more transpired between your response and now? Simmer down. I don’t mind taking some of the Megan heat but make it make sense.
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Post by Olan on Feb 15, 2021 20:24:44 GMT
The idea that Eugenia could actually like Megan and not feel threatened by her can’t be true because....projection.
It’s not logical that the couple planned to announce their baby on a day that means something to them and that cousins due date is umm open ended.
Jealousy hatefulness or both. That’s what fuels the people who love talking shit about Megan and Harry.
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Post by Olan on Feb 15, 2021 20:12:09 GMT
The stealing of thunder idea isn’t a popular one among Black women probably because we are just so excited the other didn’t die in childbirth and is able to raise their child. I have friends and family who’ve taken maternity photos together. Ones who’ve announced engagements babies promotions retirements etc at the others “special occasion”. It’s all love. www.amazon.com/Ethos-Black-Motherhood-America-Communication/dp/1793601429If you hate the idea of Megan clutching her stomach is it because you really wished you had married Harry or also because you aren’t comfortable with a Black woman enjoying motherhood and womanhood in the same way white women are allowed to. Only white women can be delicate and have miscarriages Black women are mules who can feed their own child and someone else’s. That’s what’s killing us. Think about how you question Black mothers with large families but enjoy the incestuous ass Duggar family on TLC. Or how white women always compliment Black women on the behaviors of their children. Irrational hatred is red flag for I need to do some anti racist work.
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Post by Olan on Feb 15, 2021 18:10:33 GMT
White American expats who double as healers and mermaids (yes really) complaining about being exhorted or harassed by police.
So umm blue lives don’t matter when they are shaking you down eh?
Keep in mind the police mostly harass folks higher than a giraffe’s vagina and leave the rest of us alone👀
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Post by Olan on Feb 15, 2021 17:16:47 GMT
Oprah will be interviewing H&M soon. Slated to broadcast on the 6th of March. Hopefully there is no Royal good news planned for that day. 😉
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Post by Olan on Feb 15, 2021 17:07:16 GMT
A little extra time for what exactly?
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Post by Olan on Feb 15, 2021 16:22:27 GMT
I assumed that the announcement date was a nice little way of including Diana, since she isn't around to be "delighted" like everybody always is after these announcements. Without actually mentioning her, having the announcement on the same day as she announced her pregnancy made people remember her. If a pea had said she did the same thing, people would think it was sweet, not weird. No, I would have always thought it was weird. Sorry to disappoint. It seems everything is always a nod to Diana and it’s weird. It’s weird to acknowledge the dead grandmother? Why? Your criticism has nothing to do with the fact that Harry’s wife is a Black woman right?
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Post by Olan on Feb 15, 2021 16:10:19 GMT
calendar.eji.org/racial-injustice/feb/15New Jersey passed a law providing for the "gradual emancipation of slaves" on February 15, 1804, and in doing so became the last Northern state to begin the process of ending enslavement within its borders. Using the language of bondage, the 1804 act provided that children of enslaved people born after July 4, 1804, would be freed when they reached the age of 21 for women and the age of 15 for men. To address the protests of enslavers who claimed to be concerned that they would have to support children of enslaved people who eventually would become free, the statute authorized enslavers to break apart families and abandon children of enslaved people to the state once they were more than 12 months old. These children were then bound out to work as "apprentices"—often to the same enslaver who abandoned them—while the state paid for the maintenance of the child. The New Jersey Supreme Court held as late as 1827 that New Jersey's law continued to permit the sale of Black children as so-called "apprentices." In Ogden v. Price, the New Jersey Supreme Court upheld the sale of a 13-year-old Black girl despite language in the 1804 law providing that an apprentice was subject to assignment but not sale. Reminds me of the Black children in the foster care system Adopted out but still being supported by the government so that the new caretakers have more incentive to house “at risk” children.
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Post by Olan on Feb 15, 2021 16:06:29 GMT
calendar.eji.org/racial-injustice/feb/14Yesterday’s EJI calendar reads: Despite this information and widespread, national support for Mrs. Taylor’s cause, on February 14, 1945, an all-white, all-male grand jury failed to return an indictment against any of the men accused of raping Mrs. Taylor. The men were never prosecuted. In the months after Mrs. Taylor’s attack, she received constant death threats and her home was firebombed by white supremacists. The Recy Taylor case, though rarely cited, is credited as being a catalyst for the modern Civil Rights Movement. In 2011, the Alabama Legislature apologized to Mrs. Taylor for the state’s failure to prosecute her attackers. I pondered why Mrs Taylor’s story wasn’t shared as widely as Rosa Parks, did some research, and of course misogyny is the answer.
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Post by Olan on Feb 15, 2021 15:17:47 GMT
I think the timing is odd as well. Eugenie's baby. Same day as Princess Diana's announcement. Its just all weird. I assumed that the announcement date was a nice little way of including Diana, since she isn't around to be "delighted" like everybody always is after these announcements. Without actually mentioning her, having the announcement on the same day as she announced her pregnancy made people remember her. If a pea had said she did the same thing, people would think it was sweet, not weird. People find it difficult to be happy for Black women. There is no other explanation. And before anyone tries to fight me on this keep in mind I’m giving your opinion the same value you’ve assigned to mine 😉 An okay article: www.danielledash.com/a-quick-read/2017/2/5/6t8v0qn6o4k6tjixpvsqh6si7rtqu4Material Health disparities: www.glamour.com/gallery/celebrities-who-have-spoken-out-about-black-maternal-health/ampAnd random about the photographer: Last year, Harriman became first Black photographer to shoot the cover for British Vogue's all-important September Issue. That spread featured footballer Marcus Rashford, model Adwoa Aboah and a number of other prominent campaigners, and was headlined "Activism Now: The Faces of Hope." It was a fitting assignment for Harriman, who only became a professional photographer in 2016 after a career in finance, and whose images of the Black Lives Matter protests shot him to prominence in 2020. "Through my lens I have seen the beating heart of London," Harriman told CNN's Christiane Amanpour in August, after a number of pictures he took at protests in the city went viral. One, which featured England youth hockey player Darcy Bourne, outside the US Embassy, holding up a sign reading "Why is ending racism a debate?," came to symbolize the city's demonstrations over the summer. Coded I love Black women threads: 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/64402/beyonce-babes
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Post by Olan on Feb 14, 2021 10:16:17 GMT
I don’t know about you but I am so damn tired of all the apologies 🤷🏾♀️ An interesting discussion would be: Why was I told I had to work twice as hard but boy moms issued no warning of safety? How white women still manage to be racist all while lusting after black men. How many people can feign ignorance or be walking an anti-racist path before we are all like umm okay if you haven’t arrived there are no excuses remaining. Chris basically said 2018 was BEFORE George Floyd so she deserves to “speak for herself” *bangs head* time.com/5857023/karen-meme-history-meaning/?amp=trueWhen I tell you I am so fucking done with all this
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Post by Olan on Feb 14, 2021 9:59:24 GMT
Unbelievable really how people can vote these spineless people into office as their representatives. Mitch McConnell has represented Kentucky since 1985. That’s during Reagan’s years, for reference. He’s seen 7 presidents come and go, more than a few of them served full 8 year terms. During that time Kentucky has only fallen lower on the national rankings in most things and become more dependent on federal funding. All while enriching his own power and wealth. Yet they keep voting for him. Such madness and futility and voting against your interests, is mind boggling. The book title coupled with white people voting to maintain a harmful/deadly system. Racism is literally the biggest problem facing America and yet here we find ourselves year after year http://instagram.com/p/CLQNSKlsfX8
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Post by Olan on Feb 12, 2021 14:05:08 GMT
Stacey Abrams is set to become the first black female governor of Georgia. She has five siblings and dad was a minister. My guess is there were some lean times. In addition to her success, her sister is a accomplished judge who would have been the perfect selection for the White House prison reform talk yesterday. I don't think either of the sisters played collegiate sports. Reading this old thread for Black History facts and this one made me smile. Even though she didn’t win Georgia I think something much greater was in store for Stacey Abrams
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Post by Olan on Feb 12, 2021 13:53:49 GMT
Kids love “gross” things 🤷🏾♀️. I learned about Mr. Hardiman today and now it’s even more clear to me why there is a mistrust between the medical community and Black people.
Apparently there was a documentary in 2013. Easy lesson plan.
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Post by Olan on Feb 11, 2021 17:12:46 GMT
A very handsome doctor created a solution that removed all the glue for Ms. Jones. My guess is she is going to make twice as much money being a hair influencer than her GoFundMe yielded.
I can’t think of her last name but Da Brat is dating a Louisiana native named Judy who has made millions from these “miracle hair drops”. I bet she has already been in touch😉
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Post by Olan on Feb 11, 2021 16:49:35 GMT
A man that went to a private Quaker school as a kid, ended up killing a random Black man in NY. A woman in the steam room (tons of micro aggressions in boutique gym spaces FYI) said his mother deserved a pass because she tried to raise him right and mentioned his educational upbringing as proof. Gotta be honest a Montessori school shocked me 😬 amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/02/09/us/maria-montessori-academy-black-history-trnd/index.html
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Post by Olan on Feb 10, 2021 13:53:06 GMT
Peano didn’t get enough of a thrashing on the other thread? What do you think? Do you really care what I think? Is being held accountable for the words you’ve spoken constitute a thrashing? She clearly didn’t give a damn so why should you is also something the peas doing anti racist work should ponder? Did you see that article about apologizing in the Creative Writing Non-Apology Thread? It’s Sunday so I’m going to get churchy on ya: “But I tell you, on the day of judgment people will have to give an accounting for every careless or useless word they speak.” I’m trying to move about this day (who knows what the hell I’ll be on tomorrow) with that particular idea in mind. You be blessed. Speaking to educators not kibblesandit👀 learning about slavery during Black History month says to children that the history of Black people began once they were stolen from Africa. That’s was the purpose of the tag. If you aren’t going to tell the truth about chattel slavery it’s better to focus on the richness that Black people have added to American culture. There is a lot to focus on if anyone needs help being pointed in the right direction feel free to tag Olan kibblesandbits. Guess it’s safe to say you didn’t care.
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Post by Olan on Feb 10, 2021 13:47:14 GMT
I will never be able to get that out of my head. It is amazing to me how people can treat another human being. No one spoke up and said that was wrong. I don’t think anyone thought it was wrong. Today’s is gruesome but less graphic. And these are the stories we know. On February 10, 1908, a Black man named Eli Pigot was lynched by a mob of more than 2,000 white people in Brookhaven, Mississippi. Mr. Pigot was accused of assaulting a white woman and was brutally killed before he could be tried in a court of law. During this era, allegations against Black people were rarely subject to scrutiny and often sparked violent reprisals before the judicial system could or would act. The commonalities.
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Post by Olan on Feb 10, 2021 13:37:37 GMT
For those of you who aren’t black, you may not know there’s an actual product called Gorilla Snot that we often use to get our hair to lay down. The packaging also has a gorilla on it and yes, I’ve confused them before. I don’t keep my gorilla glue and gorilla snot in the same place so I wouldn’t be in this situation. I’m not saying she thought the two were the same, but I really don’t think it’s fair to say some of what I’ve seen in this thread. Yes, I’m perplexed by the whole thing and yes, I wonder if it’s a scam. But I’m not going to automatically say negative things about her. No doubt she’s in pain of it’s real. I was reading about this on twitter and one author made an argument that this is just another form of racism. That the expectation on Black women’s beauty are so high that they’ll do anything to conform, including glue their own hair. Someone did mention the product you mention. It’s my understanding though that this woman didn’t think she was grabbing the other product, she just didn’t think it would be a problem to use it as she did. I admit, this POV surprised me. All of it’s a major reach if you ask me. Black women have beauty standards that aren’t realistic, now that is absolutely true but the Gorilla Snot isn’t something even half of Black women use it’s a Latin product that maybe has been trending in Black hair for like 12-18 months max. There are a million and one Black owned edge controls too. We make hair trends and none of them would be considered conforming. This is just one woman’s poor decision making.
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Post by Olan on Feb 9, 2021 18:10:41 GMT
Why is it so hard to acknowledge some peas aren’t received in the same way as other peas? And that it does come down to popularity! You even see the fence riding and posting tactics some use to maintain that “favored pea status” if you are paying attention.
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