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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 31, 2021 5:26:54 GMT
Says the coward who created an alt ID just to troll and be viciously hateful. Paper is your first name? Someone ought to start a go fund me to get you some brains. Damn...your stupidity is loud. Translation: YOU AIN’T GIVING OLAN SHITYou’re from Texas, right? Deflate, call names, but won’t give poor black Olan reparations - typical. Says the coward who created an alt ID just to troll and be viciously hateful. Someone ought to start a go fund me to get you some brains. Damn...your stupidity is loud. You’re from Texas, right? Keep telling the peas what an idiot you are.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 31, 2021 2:10:30 GMT
Yes. And I don’t need much now that I’ve blown the popsicle stand that is systemic racism. A tax break like the ones the Uber rich get would be sweet too. Mostly I’d like peano to put some respect on my ancestors experience. I think it would do the whole country some good. Everything done in the dark... Let’s see how devoted the ass kissers are to you on this board. ALL of you on this thread send Olan her reparations. Put your money where your mouth is. I bet not one of you will send her a damn dime. If you practiced what you preached, you would see you made a living because of her, you would see you are living in her house. Come on girls give it up to Olan, I see you gennifer in your gated community, papercraft advocates give her some money. where are you woke people at? I know you ain’t asleep, be “woke” and empty all you have for reparations for hard luck Olan. Come on I know you can do it. Start a go fund me for Olan. Don’t just sit at home in your comfy home with your bank account - show the woman you mean it.....ok who is first Says the coward who created an alt ID just to troll and be viciously hateful. Someone ought to start a go fund me to get you some brains. Damn...your stupidity is loud. You’re from Texas, right?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 3, 2021 22:34:06 GMT
Bravo! You prove my point every single time. You’ve shown that you can pull up threads and use them out of context and without the benefit of the entire conversation. You’ve show that what you said in a post you linked above about you not being able to grow/show growth is absolutely 100% true. Thank you. Quick with the edit I see. I didn’t pull those threads. I clicked on your name and keyword searched “Olan” those are just your recent posts. Here are Olan my threads all in one quick easy to find place they also show your character. So there was no effort to pick and choose threads. All random. And the reader doesn’t have to do any work to find context...it’s a thread. Clickable context. Dated even. All you. Not in your assholian totality but it’s a pretty clear picture of our interactions. Also I’m perfectly fine with what those threads say about me (That’s why I always link them duh) but I’m going to go out on a limb here and say the reason why you want to prove a point so bad is because you see how badly the things you’ve said all laid out actually look. And who are we kidding If you really felt the way you say you feel about me you’d be insane to keep interacting. Yet here you are. The threads you’ve chosen to post confirm what I’ve been saying all along, I’m not ashamed of any of them, so sorry (not sorry) to burst your little bubble. They don’t say what you think they do—if anything, they show that you have been twisting words, attacking people for what—6 years now??? Like I said in one of your stalker linking posts, always o l a n with the thread linking, spreadsheets, and attacking peas for participating. You came into this thread and specifically bashed and attacked Elaine and myself in the hopes that it would get a reaction. And it didn’t. You then decided to ramp up your attacks by choosing to attack me over a post I linked, that had zero to do with you. So I set you straight. Yet here you go, starting a new year being who you what you’ve always been—a bully. This is a message board. I post to a variety of threads. Unlike you, It doesn’t matter to me who starts them. I don’t keep track of them. But as always, you need to make it all about you. I hope the attention you’re seeking is giving you what you need. It’s sad, but you do you.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 3, 2021 21:28:29 GMT
If you’re referring to me, 1. I did not post a duplicate link. I linked an article from The Root. I did not see any links from the root. I’m not going to engage in your little semantics/goal list moving game playing this year, and — 2. Go Refresh your memory on your statement of not engaging with me from the links in your post above. You just cannot help yourself by dragging people, tagging them, beetlejuicing, and gaslighting, and finally, given your propensity to alter what someone has said, changing meaning, assume you know what they are thinking, and just outright lie about it, you can— 3. “Stop, what the hell are you talking about? Ha Get my pretty name outta your mouth We are not the same with or without Don't talk 'bout me like how you might know how I feel... So go have fun, I really couldn't care less And you can give 'em my best, but just know... I'm not your friend or anything, damn.” ~paraphrased from Billie Ellish I’ll contribute when I want to, but you need to stop assuming everything is about you. (It’s not). In my two most recent threads @papercraftadvocate can be found posting the exact link found in my last comments on the thread. She seems to have a habit of closing a thread or wanting to the the first person to post on a page. Here are our previous interactions. You will find many instances where she declares me a troll, a bully, an angry Black woman, unworthy of engagement, on ignore etc. you will also find me asking her to stop engaging with me. Yet here we are Year after year thread after thread. She also loves to jump between another pea and I. I would go as far as saying you’d be hard pressed to click on one of my threads and NOT see at least ONE poking comment from papercraftadvocate. From her own posting history: 2peasrefugees.boards.net/user/956/recent?q=Olan Pokey Papercraftadvocate: 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/62666/updated-police-speak-respectfully-driversTo say she has a pattern would be an understatement. How’s about on the first Karen thread of 2021 you follow through with your promise and really AVOID me here at 2peas. From where I sit it looks very intentional on your part to engage in the way that you do. Remember the board goes back further than I can search with some simple keywords. Bravo! You prove my point every single time. You’ve shown that you can pull up threads and use them out of context and without the benefit of the entire conversation. You’ve show that what you said in a post you linked above about you not being able to grow/show growth is absolutely 100% true. Thank you.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 26, 2020 23:19:16 GMT
Has anyone shopped today?
Online? In person?
I placed orders with a few businesses that Olan posted earlier, Kohl’s and Bath & Bodyworks.
I think I’m done! Lol
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 17, 2020 18:38:52 GMT
You do realize in order to call someone on their shit they would have to respect you as a person no? The opinion you have of me means nothing. But the time you spend engaging me even when you are largely ignored let’s me know how highly you actually think of me. Keep doing you papercraftadvocate. I’m going to go back to shunning you again. It will be in black and white for future generations to see. To interpret. Your pea legacy. I’m perfectly fine with mine. Imagine if she spent 1/4 of the time she logs here out in her community registering voters, or something worthwhile. Lazy bum Once again, olan being an asshole....for all of peadom legacy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 17, 2020 17:49:57 GMT
If one was lying would they include the entire post history and threads in their signature. Please STFU for once in the history of 2peas. Incessant and always injecting yourself in pea drama that doesn’t involve you. How many hours do you log on a day?! No matter how many times I’ve left you on read you are the pea who always bring the worst of pea qualities into every thread. If you think anyone enjoys your presence here look at how many threads you close down. I’d venture to say you are just as ignored as I am. And that’s tough to do 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yes, you lie and it’s funny that you keep tagging and posting threads that prove that. Funny to that you’re telling me to STFU, and trying to attack and bully me here now when the thread and issue is all you. Your behavior and responses, not mine. Once again you do the same as you always have done. And then you try to play victim. Poor olan. All because you’ve gotten called out on your bullshit. Again.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 17, 2020 1:15:12 GMT
Note who you will always find attacking me. Look at her original comments from 2017 in this very thread. The intent of it. Also note the number of peas too chicken shit to be outwardly racist or assholian but won’t hesitate to like the comments of the other pea. The support it shows. Systematic. You see it. Again, playing victim. You must be up for Best Actress now. You’re a liar. That’s not a racist thing, it a character thing. You’re an asshole, that too—not a racist thing but a character thing. Your lying, systemic. Your assholian behavior, systemic. No matter how many times you weave your tale of lies here Olan, it simply does not make your lies true.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 16, 2020 23:47:36 GMT
Olan, you singlehandedly further racism every time you flap your yap, every single day. No doubt everyone who encounters you IRL feels the same way. Wow okay. I’m hearing you say racist people who encounter me IRL are justified in their racist thoughts. Is that correct? I further racism as a black woman each day?! I’d ask you how but I’m sure such a dumb thought couldn’t be developed enough in your own head to explain. What happened in this thread is clear as day. Peas are quick to call me a jerk and tell me my lived experience is something I’m deserving of....but what does everyone think of how peas spoke to me in this thread and many others. The way the peas have related to me says a lot about how black women are treated offline. America’s resistance to simply Listening to black women speak without policing the tone or making it personal. My signature is my post history. That’s how strongly I feel about standing by the things I’ve said here. You can’t go into a thread of mine without some pea talking about my history here at 2peas like I’m some troll who went around personally attacking everyone. No basis for it but it goes over as fact every time. I’m only guilty of bringing topics to this board that society as a whole needed to be discussing. If you don’t like me it’s because you wished I shut my yap like Miss Georgia. Silencing black women. Shut up and accept the mistreatment. Also If you are an ally and you watched how I have been handled and think it was FAIR...ummm please reconsider your allyship status. Same thing if you’ve read your comments to Olan and in October 2020 still stand by them. There is something to be said about being wrong and acknowledging it. I don’t read private messages because of how much vitriol (look at what she was comfortable saying publicly) can be found in many of them so please don’t take this as an invite. It isn’t. Just a placeholder for future generations. That you had the opportunity and didn’t. Always the victim. You’d win the Victimhood if the Year award if there was ever such a thing. People don’t like you or think you’re a jerk or whatever term you will eventually twist because of the shitty crap you pull —from baiting, twisting or lying about what a pea has said. And not one of those things has anything to do with the color of your skin either. And your pathetic claim that you’re not invested in your online persona is a big fat lie wrapped in bullshit. You’re queen of the spreadsheet linking back to posts. Lizcreates said it best on the other thread where she called you out on your asshattery.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 15, 2020 4:13:06 GMT
I read quite fast and would like to read more on this subject. I’ve ordered White Fragility. Olan posted some links above that looked quite interesting. Does anyone have any other book recommendations on this topic other than White Fragility that they liked? I’ve learned a lot from this thread. Thanks to everyone for explaining their points of view. I have a lot to think about. Mothers of Mass Resistance By Elizabeth Gillespie McRae It addresses white women’s dominant role in the rise of white supremacy, segregation and the beginnings of conservatism 1920-1970. Amazon’s summary: “Why do white supremacist politics in America remain so powerful? Elizabeth Gillespie McRae argues that the answer lies with white women. Examining racial segregation from 1920s to the 1970s, Mothers of Massive Resistance explores the grassroots workers who maintained the system of racial segregation and Jim Crow. For decades in rural communities, in university towns, and in New South cities, white women performed myriad duties that upheld white over black: censoring textbooks, denying marriage certificates, deciding on the racial identity of their neighbors, celebrating school choice, canvassing communities for votes, and lobbying elected officials. They instilled beliefs in racial hierarchies in their children, built national networks, and experimented with a color-blind political discourse. Without these mundane, everyday acts, white supremacist politics could not have shaped local, regional, and national politics the way it did or lasted as long as it has. With white women at the center of the story, the rise of postwar conservatism looks very different than the male-dominated narratives of the resistance to Civil Rights. Women like Nell Battle Lewis, Florence Sillers Ogden, Mary Dawson Cain, and Cornelia Dabney Tucker publicized threats to their Jim Crow world through political organizing, private correspondence, and journalism. Their efforts began before World War II and the Brown decision and persisted past the 1964 Civil Rights Act and anti-busing protests. White women's segregationist politics stretched across the nation, overlapping with and shaping the rise of the New Right. Mothers of Massive Resistance reveals the diverse ways white women sustained white supremacist politics and thought well beyond the federal legislation that overturned legal segregation.” ******* Democracy in Chains By Nancy McLean It’s history based. Reading it was scary—what is written appears to be happening in real time. From Amazon’s summary: “Behind today’s headlines of billionaires taking over our government is a secretive political establishment with long, deep, and troubling roots. The capitalist radical right has been working not simply to change who rules, but to fundamentally alter the rules of democratic governance. But billionaires did not launch this movement; a white intellectual in the embattled Jim Crow South did. Democracy in Chains names its true architect—the Nobel Prize-winning political economist James McGill Buchanan—and dissects the operation he and his colleagues designed over six decades to alter every branch of government to disempower the majority. In a brilliant and engrossing narrative, Nancy MacLean shows how Buchanan forged his ideas about government in a last gasp attempt to preserve the white elite’s power in the wake of Brown v. Board of Education. In response to the widening of American democracy, he developed a brilliant, if diabolical, plan to undermine the ability of the majority to use its numbers to level the playing field between the rich and powerful and the rest of us. Corporate donors and their right-wing foundations were only too eager to support Buchanan’s work in teaching others how to divide America into “makers” and “takers.” And when a multibillionaire on a messianic mission to rewrite the social contract of the modern world, Charles Koch, discovered Buchanan, he created a vast, relentless, and multi-armed machine to carry out Buchanan’s strategy. Without Buchanan's ideas and Koch's money, the libertarian right would not have succeeded in its stealth takeover of the Republican Party as a delivery mechanism. Now, with Mike Pence as Vice President, the cause has a longtime loyalist in the White House, not to mention a phalanx of Republicans in the House, the Senate, a majority of state governments, and the courts, all carrying out the plan. That plan includes harsher laws to undermine unions, privatizing everything from schools to health care and Social Security, and keeping as many of us as possible from voting. Based on ten years of unique research, Democracy in Chains tells a chilling story of right-wing academics and big money run amok. This revelatory work of scholarship is also a call to arms to protect the achievements of twentieth-century American self-government.” ******** Stamped From the Beginning By Ibram X. KEndi Amazon’s summary: “The National Book Award winning history of how racist ideas were created, spread, and deeply rooted in American society. Some Americans insist that we're living in a post-racial society. But racist thought is not just alive and well in America--it is more sophisticated and more insidious than ever. And as award-winning historian Ibram X. Kendi argues, racist ideas have a long and lingering history, one in which nearly every great American thinker is complicit. In this deeply researched and fast-moving narrative, Kendi chronicles the entire story of anti-black racist ideas and their staggering power over the course of American history. He uses the life stories of five major American intellectuals to drive this history: Puritan minister Cotton Mather, Thomas Jefferson, abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison, W.E.B. Du Bois, and legendary activist Angela Davis. As Kendi shows, racist ideas did not arise from ignorance or hatred. They were created to justify and rationalize deeply entrenched discriminatory policies and the nation's racial inequities. In shedding light on this history, Stamped from the Beginning offers us the tools we need to expose racist thinking. In the process, he gives us reason to hope.” ******** The Color of Law By Richard Rothstein Amazon’s summary: “Widely heralded as a “masterful” ( Washington Post) and “essential” ( Slate) history of the modern American metropolis, Richard Rothstein’s The Color of Law offers “the most forceful argument ever published on how federal, state, and local governments gave rise to and reinforced neighborhood segregation” (William Julius Wilson). Exploding the myth of de facto segregation arising from private prejudice or the unintended consequences of economic forces, Rothstein describes how the American government systematically imposed residential segregation: with undisguised racial zoning; public housing that purposefully segregated previously mixed communities; subsidies for builders to create whites-only suburbs; tax exemptions for institutions that enforced segregation; and support for violent resistance to African Americans in white neighborhoods. A groundbreaking, “virtually indispensable” study that has already transformed our understanding of twentieth-century urban history ( Chicago Daily Observer), The Color of Law forces us to face the obligation to remedy our unconstitutional past.” I’m just starting this book now.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 6, 2020 1:25:48 GMT
Bullshit. You do it to me as well. Denial - not just a river in Egypt Add bully of pjaye to the list of charges against Olan. Again alllll found in my post history 🤣😜 You’ve got to consider the number of hours I log on 2peas and the fact that my post history is pretty easy to sift through. Not to mention I am pretty consistent and judging by the SAME peas interacting here in this thread with me y’all are too 😏. I can count on the same loyal Olan hating peas. Old Olan would tag and quote each of you like I needed to prove something. Now I’ve either consistently ignored or shot down every opportunity to engage with you guys and that still doesn’t change your desire to let everyone know how horrible I am. What are you trying to prove? To whom? Victim, bully, mentally ill, bitter, angry. None of that shit moves me anymore. Think of me what you will 🤷🏾♀️It would be great if you stopped telling me like I care but I know that would leave little enjoyment in your corner of the world. I get that many of you thrive off the drama and there was a time I fed into it. It was futile then and now. Like I said upthread...some people need to take a look in a mirror and really look at how very hypocritical they are regarding their own hateful and meanness when they post.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 2, 2020 15:49:00 GMT
Honest to God Olan, you really twist what was actually written. You need to check that.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 28, 2020 0:56:31 GMT
From 3 yrs ago...thread in question... Well. I guess Olan could see into the future. Articulate, kind Mr Cooper could have totally been a victim, only asking that the dog be leashes. Or Mr Floyd. I don’t have a damn word for that. I’m sorry. The insinuation that black people are supposed to be some form of .... subservient, (and pretending pride and righteousness is not acceptable for them) is bullshit. And you know what? Olan can be annoying and singularly focused, but she’s right here. It is NOT ok. I don’t disagree with that at all. It’s the other part.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 27, 2020 19:20:07 GMT
All of you defending Elaine as some kind hearted top tier poster are seeing what you want to see. I guess you all decided I must deserve to be called sick and abusive for no reason and when I returned and ignored her, there she is quoting me and tagging pjaye for whatever reason. She plays just as many games as she's accusing olan of but she gets a pass. This whole thread for me is about learning to open your eyes to what's going on around you and not about defending Elaine's honor. Bye. Nope. Not true at all. I have read, re-read (and had originally posted) in that thread many times and it was Olan herself who said the words that Elaine did not say. To make matters worse, olans continued posting on the (untrue) claim got more embellished as she posted. I’m not so much defending Elaine the person, as defending the actual posts as they were written on that thread. In that thread, even Olan herself acknowledged that Elaine never said the words that she (Olan) was claiming Elaine said... It’s not the first time that Olan changed the words of what someone take said or assigned words or changed the meaning of what someone said onto some who never said such a thing (In fact, I believe it happened 3 different times with 3 different people in that same thread). It’s a matter of being honest—of which Olan has bullied Elaine over for 3 years—-for something Elaine did not say, but Olan herself inserted words/meaning into something that was not said.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 26, 2020 21:30:26 GMT
Did you read my post? I’m not arguing anything with olan. I CLEARLY stated that no one on this THREAD was doing that. I find it interest though how Olan has turned this thread into an Olan thread. Yes I’ve turned a thread about a racist woman into a thread about a racist woman. I’m deeply deeply invested in white people not weaponizing the police against black people and nothing I’ve done here would take Away the attention of people who REALLY care. Some side dialogue is enough to sidetrack your social justice muscle? Strengthen it then. If Elaine really felt the way she says she feels about me none of her behavior here suggests it. Olan and elaine black and white doesn’t lie. I can assure you this won’t be the last time Elaine uses me to get the attention she needs from this board. Note only one of us is calling the other a liar and imploring folks to do their own post history research. Also note I could give a damn if people hate me and love Elaine. My favorite Color Purple line is “The jail you planned for me is the one you gonna rot in” and that’s exactly what comes to mind when dealing with folks who refuse to apologize and admit fault Nope. You’ve gone further than what you claim. You do exactly what you accuse others of, You’ve done it before, and I’d expect you’ll do it again. And once again, You’ve made this thread about YOU. Your posts regarding “the backstory” on this thread have not been accurate to say the least. You gave your speech about wanting joy, peace, love, light....whatever. You’re so full of shit. You went (again) for the jugular with Elaine, fucking attacked her using her child as example—yet you ramble on about the “Amy Coopers” of the world using their words as weapons against another—yet you do the same god damned thing. This thread was 100% about that dumb ass Amy Cooper weaponizing her female whiteness over a black male. EVERYONE on this thread was 💯 unified in denouncing her actions. Elaine did not do that to you, nor did she say what you’ve suggested/perceived from the thread 3 years ago.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 26, 2020 21:14:28 GMT
Okay then. I guess I’ll also ask you, as one human being go another, to reflect on the acceptability of everything that Olan has said to me on this thread. I will profoundly disappoint you, because given the numerous times this has been discussed between Olan and myself and the loads of verbal abuse she has spewed my way over the past 3 years, I really am okay with how I have responded on this thread. I really don’t have to passively be someone’s abusive punching bag simply because you think I should since I’m white. I would *never* ask you to sit there and be abused by anyone - never. As a woman and a human being, that doesn’t push social dialogue forward. It just perpetuates unhealthy dynamics in relationships. Playing victim. You aren’t being abused by me and if you feel that you are why as most recent as yesterday were you interacting with me as if we have no history. You do this for attention and you’ve got enough it from me and this thread already. Poor Elaine. You seriously need to take a look in the mirror. You are absolutely the one playing victim here.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 26, 2020 20:35:49 GMT
That isn’t the case here Olan. I don’t see one person saying that the dogs treatment was worse than Mr. Cooper. A person is free to state that both abuses are horrid. But again, I don’t see one single post here on this thread that lends to your statement. And I will say that her sentiment is shared by other people of color. Do a simple twitter search for white people and dogs and see what comes up right about now. Why argue this point with Olan? Just one example: What does it say about how our country functions that a black man feels a dog will see justice before Christian Cooper does? Did you read my post? I’m not arguing anything with olan. I CLEARLY stated that no one on this THREAD was doing that. I find it interest though how Olan has turned this thread into an Olan thread.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 26, 2020 20:25:30 GMT
See, you focus on only part of the interaction. Your view of the whole situation on this thread is that Olan told me she found racist something that I said 3 years ago (something that we’ve rehashed at least a dozen or two times since then) and that I got defensive. You completely ignore all the name-calling and the comparing me to someone who actively tried to have a man killed-by-police. And that is just on this thread. I don’t have the links, but it has felt to me like you have engaged in similar selective focus in regards to Olan’s behavior to me in the past. You certainly are more than welcome to do whatever you want to, but it is somewhat disingenuous from my point of view to view yourself as some impartial peacemaker between Olan and myself or anyone else on the board. I really do not remember these past interactions in the same way you do. I'm not trying to be a peacemaker, either, actually. I'm asking you to reflect, as one white woman to another, on how you're responding to a woman of color who is upset by something you said. I believe the issue is that Elaine did not state what is being claimed.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 26, 2020 20:22:46 GMT
elaine, I respect you, so I'm going to say this. Olan perceives you made a racist comment to her. I feel like your conversations have been unproductive with each other at this point, but what if you just radically listened? I don't know the backstory here, but I feel like the only way to move forward is for you to listen and acknowledge the hurt. There is no backstory. Even if she tries to create it when I’ve linked both our posting histories and mine is so easy to look through though I hope you’d focus more on the countless links I’ve posted here and not what Elaine says in between them. She lies because she knows people hate me more than they care to track down the truth. Also I don’t have more to say to Elaine outside of what is contained in this thread or what I’ve already said in years past. Maintaining my peace is important to me. Joy is the biggest resistance to racist assholes and desire to be VIEWED as right on a message board doesn’t get me excited anymore. Elaine has requested I start a new thread to call her out because you know I am sooooo off topic haha letting us know how attention seeking her behavior is. Would a “professional” who thinks I am beyond help open a thread I’ve started and attempt to argue me down about facts and then find me in another thread and ask me what I thought about political candidates? Why? If I thought someone never made sense or was mentally ill that would be the last person on the message board I’d interact with. This post Olan, is just not true/nor accurate.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 26, 2020 20:14:40 GMT
This is how I felt about it too. As awful as it was to do what she did to Mr. Cooper (and it WAS awful), she was yanking that dog around by the neck! I’ve noted this on 2peas and I will say it again. If dogs were treated the way black people are in America white women would flood the streets. It’s a sad reality I’ve known since I was a kid. Many white people care more about animals than black people and it shows. That isn’t the case here Olan. I don’t see one person saying that the dogs treatment was worse than Mr. Cooper. A person is free to state that both abuses are horrid. But again, I don’t see one single post here on this thread that lends to your statement.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 24, 2019 18:12:28 GMT
I really saw nothing wrong with Olan’s original question or her follow ups but do think it’s very interesting how the reactions went. So much focus on who Olan is perceived to be and her tone rather than her admittedly “tough question.” Not surprising, considering that this is NSBR, though. I guess many threads here get personal like that, but it feels exceptionally gross when a woman of color asks white women a pointed question and then gets dragged for a) pointing out the presence and role of whiteness and b) not having a kind enough or “educational” enough tone. Yikes. I just wanted to say I really appreciate your defense of me but more importantly I appreciate your commitment to reaching the peas who for whatever reason don’t want to hear it from a black woman. Thank you! Riiiighhhttt...because that is what every single pea who responded said or implied. 🙄🙄🙄 such passive-aggressive bullcrap. Many here in pealand have tried to listen to you—really hear you, and you crap on them. I get it—in general—you don’t like white women. You don’t trust them. You don’t see them as friends or allies. You have no use for them as you state. Yet you continue to comeback and want to enlighten, even under false pretense. Fred’s terminology today ‘dishonest broker’ fits you to “t” Olan. It is near impossible to attempt any convo with you, to learn from you, to hear you—and it’s such a disservice that you do, so many missed opportunities for healing and moving forward. But I’m not sure that is what you actually desire. Your path/method , inevitably leads to the same—a need to inflict as much hurt, transgression, insults, pain that black women have suffered since forever. You have an audience here—one in which many are genuinely willing to participate—however it gets lost. Coming together as WOMEN needs to happen in order for the correction of racial and social injustices. We need to be each other’s allies. Women do have more power in collective groupings, it’s near impossible to “resist and persist” alone because of the current administration. It’s disgusting that so many white women voted for the m*therf#cker in office now, and in the last 3 years has resulted in many women to get up and actively begin the work that needs to be done to defeat the injustices to all women. We rise by lifting one another up, not tearing them down for the good of humans. ( I’m all for tearing down those who are not for the good of humanity 😉 ) As I stated before, I’m not afraid of having discussions that make me uncomfortable. I’m able and capable of learning and if/when I fail, I try harder the next day. Women here have asked for education on what is best to do, where to start, what matters most, what has the greatest effect—and to be met with “it’s not the job..” is damaging and counterproductive. That shuts down opportunities for learning. Right now, the political climate is such that we are being bombarded every.single.day and it’s chaotic, frenzied, emotionally devastating, tiring, ugly, uncomfortable, it’s a daily resistance on so many issues, women’s rights, racial inequality and injustices, LBGTQ and reproductive rights, religious freedoms, environmental destruction...and the list goes on..with everything coming at us at the daily pace and aggression that it does, we get lost. Women ARE stepping up like never before and working and raising families and going to school and... So I end up back to this— In order to progressively and actively make the lives of women better, equal everything then receiving education on what are the best avenues, issues, paths will matter the most and have the greatest effect would be more effective.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 24, 2019 16:46:02 GMT
I spoke to the gaslighting that Olan was doing later in the thread, when she posted about the purpose of the thread being to "Honor Virginia's memory and to continue to persist", yet she started out by slamming white women for not doing enough--how is that "honoring Virginia?" If it does, please do explain as I am totally in the dark. It is honoring Virginia because she would be calling people out just as much as Olan does. Ahhhh...now it makes sense—-Olan calling out white women for not doing enough IS her call to action, thank you shevy! Can’t believe I didn’t relate that earlier.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 24, 2019 10:45:02 GMT
I really saw nothing wrong with Olan’s original question or her follow ups but do think it’s very interesting how the reactions went. So much focus on who Olan is perceived to be and her tone rather than her admittedly “tough question.” Not surprising, considering that this is NSBR, though. I guess many threads here get personal like that, but it feels exceptionally gross when a woman of color asks white women a pointed question and then gets dragged for a) pointing out the presence and role of whiteness and b) not having a kind enough or “educational” enough tone. Yikes. Again, you’re totally missing/ignoring the point of what I said. I’m not dragging her for calling out whiteness. That’s all you and your opinion—I’ve clearly stated a few times what I’ve got issue with and you are ignoring it and taking it somewhere else. My issue had nothing to do with the color of skin. Virginia’s Call to Action thread didn’t have anything to do with skin color. And because you’re insisting that the OP merely asked a question,—this is not a question — “I know everyone hates when I bring up the sense of responsibility white women should feel but....*looking around making eye contact with those of you who haven’t averted their eyes...”
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 24, 2019 5:07:33 GMT
I spoke to what Olan was "feigning" purpose to this thread. She walked back from her OP and was attempting to say that this is what the thread/her OP question was all about. But it wasn't. I have learned over the years that Olan is not really looking for a decent, mature, constructive, or even educating discussion when she starts in on the white woman privileged monolouge. She prefers to immediately go on the attack of white women, and there are many threads revealing that intent. Under the guise of trying to enlighten or encourage activism, she is always chipping away at the morale of those whom she deems don't do enough (white women). Her tone is crystal clear. It is to create the most discomfort, to degenerate, to hurt and injure. I can imagine why. It's not her job to make white women feel better about themselves as to what they do or don't do. Her tone--and most specifically the finite words and phrases that she choses to use--all mean to shame, put down, make uncomfortable...yet a few say it is not her job to educate. While I know that you are also of the school of "it's not a black woman's job to educate..." What if she did? How do you think the discussion would go? How do you think that others would receive that? Do you not think that other peas would reflect on her words better? I am not afraid of anyone telling me that I am a privileged white woman. I know it. I do the work to be educated and enlightened and to help to resolve, heal, correct the injustices. I just don't feel the need to post what it is that I do, to tout that I do it---it is not extraordinary, or heroic, it is not something to be celebrated, get a pat on the back, etc. And if I fail or fall short, I get up and start again the next day. And please, you do not need to lecture about "not all white women". It happens to be true what I said--and there are a few on this board that I would absolutely include. White women who are speaking out against injustices, walking the walk, talking the talk, taking on social issues that they may have never taken on before or getting educated and being "woke" need to be recognized as allies in the fight to correct, heal, resolve injustices. What if women (of all ethnicity) could group and work together? Don't you think that would be a better plan with a better outcome than immediately telling them that their work does not matter or is not enough? Isn't that what this thread is supposed to be about? wink, wink... I get that white women are privileged--and many know it, and many actually do something about it, but it does no good to degenerate them, tell them that it is not helpful. (and also is part of why some may not post anything to these types of threads--they really want to know what would matter the most or to do, but at the same time do not want to be beat down out of the gate.)
I can certainly acknowledge that Olan has posted threads in the past, be it an article, essay, writing, news link, etc. that actually are helpful and educating and absolutely could generate thoughtful, respectful discussion. This thread is not one of those. She came in swinging about the lack of white woman activism, slung words meant as insults ("stay where you are") and then deeper into the thread walked it back--Her OP and subsequent posts show that right quick. None of what she is posting here is "honoring Virginia's memory and her request to persist".
I’ve been here for a long time, but do not share your opinion of what you believe to be Olan’s purpose or intent in posting here or what she’s looking for. I can’t speak to her intent or make assumptions about why she posts what she does. I don’t see her as continuously attacking white women. Does she post about race and racial inequity? Does she hold white people accountable? Sure. The challenge in working towards being anti-racist is in not seeing that as “attack” on white people but as someone’s lived experience and examining the truth about how whiteness has impacted the history and present of our country. Several folks got into the “not all white women,” and I can’t think of a time when that attitude or comment is helpful. If it’s not you, it’s not you. True or not true, it’s almost never a comment that advances the conversation or leads to meaningful discussion. It's quite alright that we don't share the same opinion. I know I am not alone in my opinion. In my experience here on this board with Olan, I see that when she starts out like she has, then does the word play gymnastics that she does, the threads disintegrate quickly. You are totally missing or ignoring what I am saying. I have no issue having discussions of white women failing, white fragility, whiteness. etc. My comments were not speaking to any of that. I spoke to the gaslighting that Olan was doing later in the thread, when she posted about the purpose of the thread being to "Honor Virginia's memory and to continue to persist", yet she started out by slamming white women for not doing enough--how is that "honoring Virginia?" If it does, please do explain as I am totally in the dark. I can certainly think of times where being "not all white women" has been progressive, impactful, helpful and does drive positive discussion, it's a shame that you see it as a negative. It is not an "attitude" as you describe it. It's just a fact. It is not a way of living, a way of acting, a way of being better than---it's just a fact. You did not address any of my other questions, so I will leave this right here.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 24, 2019 2:19:23 GMT
That may be the objective of the Call to Action thread honoring Virginia, however you have started this thread to shame/ingratiate/cause discomfort to white women for not doing enough or to your satisfaction, as evidenced by your initial post, as well as a few subsequent others. And to pretend its something else is disingenuous and dishonest. You want to revive the Call to Action Thread honoring Virginia’s memory? —try building up community instead of tearing people down like you did in your very first post, and then you wouldn’t have to play a pernicious innocent later on in the thread. You made this thread about race and you’re walking back trying to make it sound like you were all about the CTA. Build community around her legacy and it don’t tear it apart. Educate and stop mocking people for their actions and/or comments and/or questions. Stepping outside one’s comfort zone to support causes, issues, activism, LBGTQ, black women, white women, whatever it may be—can be deeply personal and sometimes private, and shouldn’t have to have a need to be celebrated as some sort of heroic act or proof that your doing something (then be told it’s inadequate/not enough/falls short of someone else’s expectations). Some people may not know what to do and when they ask and it’s met with “it’s not my responsibility to educate...”. Which is a perfect example of a missed opportunity to share and educate. Not all white women use their privilege negatively, adversely, or ignore it. Many are allies, supporters, educators. Many do what the are capable of doing (and are still criticized for it not being enough). AKathy’s thread is about food. Virginia’s thread is about more complex, heart tugging, hard, uncomfortable and sometimes volatile issues. Apples to oranges comparison. To say it’s anything else is inaccurate. The only commonality is that both threads were created in the memory of a pea who has passed. I think it's important to remember that tone policing is a microaggression that is very real. People on this board tend to read into Olan's tone in an interesting way. Other folks on this board seem to get a pass for much harsher rhetoric. There's some reflecting to do on that. It's okay to make things about race sometimes. When we consider that the majority of white women voted for Trump in 2016 while 94% of Black women and 69% of Latinas voted for Hillary, and we are talking about civic and political action, race certainly comes into play. It is not a bad or taboo thing to acknowledge the role that whiteness plays in our lives as white people. It is actually anti-racist to do that kind of introspective work. Please don't "not all white women." It's not helpful. If it doesn't apply to you, keep it moving. While the two types of threads are arguably different, Olan's commentary is one that is worth examining and instead of reacting, what if we reflected? What if we responded with, "You know, I could share more about the things I do to help my community," or perhaps, "I hope you do not feel isolated and alone in your political action; I've been working on..." What if THAT was the response instead? I spoke to what Olan was "feigning" purpose to this thread. She walked back from her OP and was attempting to say that this is what the thread/her OP question was all about. But it wasn't. I have learned over the years that Olan is not really looking for a decent, mature, constructive, or even educating discussion when she starts in on the white woman privileged monolouge. She prefers to immediately go on the attack of white women, and there are many threads revealing that intent. Under the guise of trying to enlighten or encourage activism, she is always chipping away at the morale of those whom she deems don't do enough (white women). Her tone is crystal clear. It is to create the most discomfort, to degenerate, to hurt and injure. I can imagine why. It's not her job to make white women feel better about themselves as to what they do or don't do. Her tone--and most specifically the finite words and phrases that she choses to use--all mean to shame, put down, make uncomfortable...yet a few say it is not her job to educate. While I know that you are also of the school of "it's not a black woman's job to educate..." What if she did? How do you think the discussion would go? How do you think that others would receive that? Do you not think that other peas would reflect on her words better? I am not afraid of anyone telling me that I am a privileged white woman. I know it. I do the work to be educated and enlightened and to help to resolve, heal, correct the injustices. I just don't feel the need to post what it is that I do, to tout that I do it---it is not extraordinary, or heroic, it is not something to be celebrated, get a pat on the back, etc. And if I fail or fall short, I get up and start again the next day. And please, you do not need to lecture about "not all white women". It happens to be true what I said--and there are a few on this board that I would absolutely include. White women who are speaking out against injustices, walking the walk, talking the talk, taking on social issues that they may have never taken on before or getting educated and being "woke" need to be recognized as allies in the fight to correct, heal, resolve injustices. What if women (of all ethnicity) could group and work together? Don't you think that would be a better plan with a better outcome than immediately telling them that their work does not matter or is not enough? Isn't that what this thread is supposed to be about? wink, wink... I get that white women are privileged--and many know it, and many actually do something about it, but it does no good to degenerate them, tell them that it is not helpful. (and also is part of why some may not post anything to these types of threads--they really want to know what would matter the most or to do, but at the same time do not want to be beat down out of the gate.)
I can certainly acknowledge that Olan has posted threads in the past, be it an article, essay, writing, news link, etc. that actually are helpful and educating and absolutely could generate thoughtful, respectful discussion. This thread is not one of those. She came in swinging about the lack of white woman activism, slung words meant as insults ("stay where you are") and then deeper into the thread walked it back--Her OP and subsequent posts show that right quick. None of what she is posting here is "honoring Virginia's memory and her request to persist".
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 20, 2017 11:37:09 GMT
Apology accepted. I've not berated or belittled you....well not anymore than you've berated or belittled me. I simply asked how you manage to practice self-care, parent effectively, be a good wife/Jew/community member yet still find yourself logging as many hours on 2peas as you do. You don't have a defense so you declared me the winner in the same way you declared me samiam *shrugs*. So all knowing. FFS! Elaine apologized. You couldn't just say thank you could you? Had to throw a dig in. You are pathetic. Okay...but it wouldn't be Olan without olan being olan! Lol
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 23, 2017 12:52:41 GMT
Has somebody actually asked you for a link to this thread? Most likely not, it's just a way to seek attention!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 13, 2017 17:27:12 GMT
Olan bumped it back up for you. that explains why I was confused Olan is bumping a lot of threads today. Kinda in an "I told ya so, you bunch of pea racists" fashion.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 21, 2017 4:44:19 GMT
You can call me out but that doest mean I'll respond. Its the weekend. I'm not about to spend hours upon hours having useless dialogue about what people think about me and what I think about then. You all hate me and I think a large number of you voted for 45 and basically ruined the world. Luckily there is room enough around here for the both of us. IGNORE ME. You won't get any further engagement from me outside of that. I've already explained why I like old comments in threads. Up until very recently I had no idea people received notifications when I've liked certain comments they've made. I do so for my ease of use so that I can easily direct non-peas to specific threads. This is a public message board. No one is compiling a spreadsheet. Get over yourself Ah...but you did respond. And she admitted to and denied in the same paragraph that she was tracking peas! She's not tracking them, just liking them so she can more easily pull them out to show NON-peas the threads (same as tracking/compiling...) Take responsibility for your own hatefulness Olan, you're quick to blame anyone else. I'm confused...I didn't vote for 45, so I think I'm clear on the ruining the world thing, amiright?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 21, 2017 1:15:25 GMT
Well 13 hrs ago, she "liked" a post of mine from a thread 4 days ago..so she's obviously keeping a tally of sorts!
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