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Post by Olan on Mar 23, 2021 15:44:46 GMT
Olan and the others: I know my heart. It's hard to make your true feelings come across in print. But you have NO idea the things I've done, or said, or how I feel. Now fuck off and find someone else to bother. If we combine her fuck off and then Little Miss Stagnant’s double fuck off we’ve got 3! That’s not counting pages 1-8 either 😎 And of course my treatment has absolutely nothing to do with me being a Black woman you can’t run off. Common phrases: I know my heart. I have black friends. I have an adopted X I marched with Martin Luther King (yes a pea said it) This has nothing to do with the color of your skin. Fuck off I champion x I am *lists protected group* |
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Post by Olan on Mar 23, 2021 13:27:35 GMT
Look at you still the same woman you were 4 years ago.
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Post by Olan on Mar 22, 2021 17:00:28 GMT
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Post by Olan on Mar 21, 2021 20:42:27 GMT
You do recognize you “bothered” me first right? I didn’t ask you to weigh in on where I should go as a Black woman. And it was also you who insisted you knew how I would respond thus baiting me to respond. When I let you know if I cared I would share you could have left it at that. Maybe even considering I don’t have the energy to give a fuck about what you are doing given all the other things in the world I have to contend with. You engaged me first and then when you were bested it becomes an attack. Again a Karen/liberal pea commonality...minding the business that doesn’t pay you. And in doing so yes the words you type do reveal your heart.
You may feel big telling me to fuck off but what you are likely feeling (since you brought out the crystal ball) is cornered by truth.
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How could a racist have Black family members or friends? The same way serial killers has family members still living.
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Post by Olan on Mar 20, 2021 23:05:20 GMT
I couldn't read all seven pages but from what I've gathered liking someones post is now abusive and bullying behavior. Calling someone a crazy bitch however is not. Listen I've got the memo. I've tried to allay fears regarding what nefarious reason would cause me to "like" new and old posts and will continue to like posts as I see fit. This is a public message board. For those who say I shut down dialogue: You can't insult me and then expect I engage you in a friendly manner. You can disagree with what I'm saying and still move on with your life. I disagree with a lot of the things I see here and yet I still had a great restorative weekend with family. That shouldn't be described as shutting down dialogue that just means I'm not going to entertain bullshit. I think Steve Urbanski should be charged with a hate crime and you don't. *shrugs* I think Beyonce/Oprah/Simone/Simone/Serena hate is really white women hating to see black women win but you disagree. Much like zingermack(sp) or librarylady(sp) I post articles I think the peas should know about. Ignore those threads if current events bother you. You could also call me a crazy bitter racist bitch like everyone else and go visit another thread! Am I missing something? For those who ask why I am still here: I am freeborn. For peas concerned about the "crowd" I'll bring over: If I wanted to invite a bunch of people who are as vehemently against racism (so if you are arguing with me does that mean you are for it?) as I am I would have already done so. Again I'll remind you this is a public message board. If you'd like to create a place where only white women can convene there is already a place for you somewhere else in the world wide web *shrugs*. Join them. They have cool costumesWow...you are reprehensible...unbelievable. Reprehensible? Howso? |
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Post by Olan on Mar 20, 2021 22:59:00 GMT
Another thing:
If I’m advocating for the peas to become more active in social justice activism in an effort to prevent more Black citizens from being killed....I’m advocating and speaking on behalf of YOUR loved one no? Why in all the years did you never join me or offer any support? Hell you could have lead the charge!!! I would bet all my bitcoins the reception would have been so different!
Imagine if you had come and said hey ladies I’m scared for my husband. Or another pea had come and said Hey peas I’m scared for my young sons. Instead you sat around while I was attacked for bringing up issues no one wanted to discuss. Issues it turns out wouldn’t go away and would only intensify and turn into one interconnected shit show. Literally every thread I started could be bumped and be relevant right now almost 3-4 years later.
The number of interracial relationships doesn’t match the number of non-Black allies I see on the frontlines or even behind the scenes. That has always stood out to me. Especially since I have a several white family members and friends who have Black children.
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Post by Olan on Mar 20, 2021 22:45:16 GMT
I'm genuinely sorry that you feel that way about this space, but I understand. I left for a couple of months for my own reasons, and may leave again. I just wish you could know how attacking me about this issue is utterly ridiculous. I have been working against racism since my 20's, even when surrounded by bigotry. The more I read, live and learn, the more I understand. For example I don't criticize the few times BLM protests turn violent. I understand why they do. I wish I could do more, but I am disabled; I can't march for example, or even be a part in a wheelchair. I wish I could. I will read your links. I wouldn't if I didn't care. I didn’t attack you. Why did you choose those words? I responded to you saying “My goodness. I think there are so many places and examples of racism that are FAR worse than 2 Peas. Personally I can't recall this ever being an issue. Olan will say it's because I'm white. And I am. But my family is mixed race and I am FAR more sensitive to racial overtones than my black husband. Why not attack a Reddit board or something, where racism is far more pronounced?” My first statement to you was please don’t put words in my mouth. You don’t know what I would say so it’s not only rude it’s presumptive AF. You also don’t get to tell me where to go or decide for me where racism is most pronounced. Merge mentioned being sympathetic to my plight but She doesn’t mention she tried to tell me how I should feel about another liberal pea attacking my character. That seems to be a common theme with liberal peas. You can’t decide what I take offense to. You can’t decide for me what’s racist and what’s not. And to what degree. You can’t tell me how I should feel about another pea wishing me death by police. You can’t accept an apology for me. That’s not your job. You don’t have that authority. It’s damaging to the trust any Black person would have in you as an ally. And zella a tip someone who has been an ally to Black people for even a short period of time WOULD NEVER. They wouldn’t whine white being a dirty word or take on the tone you did. They just wouldn’t. They also wouldn’t dare tell a Black person where they should go to find “real racism” they’d be shielding me from it. Every ally friend of mine recognized how damaging even this place was for a Black woman and would never tell me where I could go to find more damaging words or texts. Racism hurts. My 2peas experience hurt. I don’t know what that is so hard to understand. So when you say you’ve been an ally for decades and then come with the energy you came with...again I’ve found my people here and I’ve settled in. I rode out a lot of personal attacks on my character and overall fuckery to still be posting in 2021. The function of this thread was to run me away and it didn’t work. Instead the OP got shingles shortly after she authored this post 👀. My ancestors don’t play about me folks🩸🤣 So if you’d like to break up an incel group on Reddit or prevent the next January 6th you absolutely have my blessings. You mentioned not being able to March beside me but there is a lot to allyship work white women could be doing. This ain’t it. Perhaps before having your next allyship badge ceremony you could consult a panel of at least 3 Black people. Don’t include your husband for obvious reasons. It’s perfectly fine if you don’t include me though. Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling It wasn’t just Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling who showed her racist ass here at 2peas. However Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling was the only pea who dug her heels in and went out of her way to be antagonistic. If I am being honest had Papercraftadvocate and Peano’s full names been as easy a find (all of 5 seconds) I would have used my search engine optimization skills on them too. Anyway Elaine W. Shilling I hope you feel the shame you oughta feel for the way you spoke to me. If you watched Elaine double down on her hurtful racist comment over the years you should also feel shame. This is my hair flip! I am done explaining white supremacy to itself! |
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Post by Olan on Mar 20, 2021 13:33:19 GMT
More compassionate responses. Check the energy in this one. zella Please tell me again how my activism would be best served? The other thing that gets me pea livid is how someone zella will make a comment and then when I bump relevant threads...now their energy changes and they disappear. If you call me out and my ‘I told you so” is too hard to stomach just say so. |
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Post by Olan on Mar 20, 2021 13:23:34 GMT
Nia Wilson’s death is kinda what pushed me to begin therapy. Compassion all up and through this thread right. Nothing to see here right zella. I should just head over to Reddit and do some undercover work on the incel board. Thwart some mass shootings or something 😒 Olan, I don’t post here much but you are often a pea whose posts I look out for. I appreciate you doing what you do, in spite of the treatment you get. I was definitely in the camp of white women who thought, “Well, this doesn’t apply to ME. I’M not racist.” I have learned a lot in recent years. I’ve read books like White Fragility and Uncomfortable Conversations, and recognize that there is so much work to be done. And while I certainly understand that it’s not your job to educate me, I appreciate you taking the time to post. Sending you hugs and gratitude. Thank you ❤️ |
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Post by Olan on Mar 20, 2021 3:33:34 GMT
Olan, I want to thank you for bumping all these threads. Clearly you have been trying for many years to raise race issues in America for Peas to discuss. It's also clear that many were dismissive of your efforts. You'd think that Trump being elected would have opened their eyes to the pervasiveness of racism in America. I admit I lost respect for a number of peas. I also admit that if I had found 2peas back then I would not have joined. Thank you for not being cowed and for refusing to be run off. (Geez, the first few pages of "why does she even come here, she knows we all hate her". And the "muuuum she's looking at me!" Seriously! Grown women acting like primary school children) I really appreciate you saying this. ❤️ |
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Post by Olan on Mar 20, 2021 2:09:24 GMT
I think what zella and a lot of other peas feel is that 2peas is a mostly liberal space without in your face racism. I’d agree with the fact that this is a mostly liberal crowd but that doesn’t at all mean there is no racism to tackle. Again all you’d have to do is look to the responses in this call out thread (my 2nd though btw the last was masked an an apology from you guessed it a liberal pea😉) to see that 2peas isn’t a racial utopia. The other thing to note is 2peas is/was the perfect space for me to speak my truth because THIS was the community I was apart of. No one treated me like it but that’s because you saw me as a Black woman who needed to STFU before seeing as a community member. A good read: amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/08/01/us/white-liberals-hypocrisy-race-blake/index.htmlLiberal women are the biggest support team for systematic racism. That’s just a fact: amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/06/racial-equality-working-class-americans-advocacywww.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/01/17/martin-luther-king-polite-racism-white-liberals/?outputType=ampElaine Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling [ Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling [ Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling Search engine optimization activated |
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Post by Olan on Mar 19, 2021 18:19:00 GMT
They apologize, but people still rail on them about it. What do they need to do? Cut off a limb? Did you read the instagram? Not cut off a limb. Call racism, "racism", not "insensitivity" - that's a start. My 17 year old self is a far cry from who I am today at 52. “Do the best you can until you know better. Then when you know better, do better.” - Maya Angelou Of course we're mostly stupider when we're younger. The point in this case, I believe, is that she had from 2011 (racist remarks made) to 2019 to address her racism - and then again as she was being considered for the Teen Vogue job. My 17 yr old self didn’t care about race relations and I’ve made dumb decisions but I’ve always always had a soft spot for the underdog. I think your character is pretty developed by your teenage years even with that lacking frontal lobe. And like pinklady said her choice of partner shows her decision making a decade ago is pretty in line |
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Post by Olan on Mar 19, 2021 18:03:03 GMT
Olan I just read through my participation early in this thread. I actually felt embarrassed to the point my face flushed and got hot. I am sorry for my insensitive comments. I am trying to learn and be better. I hear you, and although I can never truly understand what you go through, I definitely see some of the issues you face. Adding this in: Turn off notifications. This isn't going to do anything except make you look bad, too. It's like my two littlest bickering earlier. Oi, don't give it power.  Olan isn't the easiest to converse with. However, she only liked 3 posts of yours yesterday at the same exact time when you were both responding to one another during a conversation. Hardly stalking, definitely not harassing. Plus you have sworn at her and cursed at her again and again and she hasn't done that to you that I could find. I would like to go on the record and say I was completely wrong. What I emotionally want to do is delete, but I said it and am owning it. I remember what the title of this thread said, no way no how was it okay. Olan wasn't to blame in any part of this. I was wrong to imply they were equally to blame. Stating Olan was hard to converse with, was my issue and I am sorry I put that out there. I ended up a part of the pile on. Again, I apologize. I’m hard to converse with. People who love me have shared that AND observed that in my participation here. Ownership is not a bad thing. When I acknowledge I am not perfect I can stop trying to be and just get to the work of life. A funny: I have a 4yr old almost 5 yr old niece who acts JUST like me. It’s eye opening watching her weave a story together. I’m like what sis?! And my sister will say umm that’s exactly how you talk Lisa 🤣 I do appreciate you thinking about what you said back in 2017. It kinda leads me down the path of more ownership and asking myself “Why is it important these women own what they said to you”. I think the answer is to confirm I wasn’t as crazy as I felt. Still pondering |
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Post by Olan on Mar 19, 2021 17:57:26 GMT
I appreciate the link Olan on the psychological issues tied to racism. I have been reading a bunch of articles lately because we have had quite a few new people at our local NAMI meetings. Most of the people who have showed up in the past 6 months are pandemic related. They are experiencing trauma related to the pandemic and don't know how to deal with that. Those people have caused me to take a step back from the meetings for a while. I realized I had a prejudice against them because so many of them either don't want to or don't know how to seek mental health help. They don't have mental illness and they don't seem to know what to do with themselves outside of showing up at our meetings. I admit, I was frustrated with this direction my group has taken and I backed away for a while. But I admit I logged into our meeting a few weeks ago and a new person to our meeting was talking about (her) mental health related to racial discrimination events in the past year. To hear her talk was astounding to me. (We don't have very many minorities in our group). It is clear to me that she has PTSD, the same way I do from being beaten as a child, but she is mentally (not physically, but the threat remains) beaten by society. And to hear her talk blew me right out of the water. And I admit, I am very sensitive to the idea of mental illness and psychological disturbances, but until I heard her talk, I did not *get* it. I think that's why I spoke up in the thread about Kanye and Kim's divorce. I had just read a firsthand account from a black man with bipolar disorder. And I totally believed there was bias in that thread toward Kanye. (I don't follow celebs so I couldn't comment on him persay). This is an aspect of things that really touches my heart because I am such an advocate for mental illness and removing societal stigma. Black people with mental illness (especially black men) are stigmatized much worse than I am, as a white woman. And I see here, that you opening up about seeking therapy isn't at all the first time you've shared your heart with us. You share it every single time you post. I got defensive with you once. I talked to a good friend about it, it stuck in my craw so badly. And I presented her with a kind of can you believe this story and she came back at me with a yes, I can.  And I apologized to you after talking to her. She set me straight in a way only a girlfriend can. But what I wanted to say to you is, after she said that to me, I have never looked at you with defensiveness again. I don't say much, but I read and listen. And after hearing the woman speak at my NAMI meeting I heard it in a way that was so personal, just like that day with my girlfriend, and I get now that sometimes things aren't conveyed in the same way with a stranger in type. It's easier to feel defensive. It's harder to love and have compassion. So I'm grateful for the personal connections I've had with people of color. The biggest thing I've learned is that this is damaging people of color. All these killings. All the systemic racism. It's a wonder my NAMI meeting isn't filled with people of color because there is suffering due to racism. (And the fact that my NAMI isn't filled with people of color when I live in a very diverse area in itself speaks volumes about racisim) I hope that we can comfort our new friend. And I hope that since you are seeing a therapist now, that she is offering you comfort and that we can offer you comfort. While I may not say a lot, I can challenge myself to comment in a way that shows compassion because I feel that your message is worth hearing. Thank you for expressing that! Your participation here at 2peas is very admirable. If I were a better woman I could have modeled my own 2peas activism after it. Therapy was a long time coming for me. It was pretty clear within a couple sessions too🥴 I just needed to channel my anger (while righteous af) into more meaningful endeavors. I joke I could have went to a dojo and saved my co-pays! Honestly the biggest way racism harmed me was having me call to question things I already know to be true in my heart of hearts. And I’m so glad I was able to get help BEFORE July 2020 because as I watched another series of killing unfold booking a one way ticket out the country didn’t seem like a crazy idea. I had dealt with the crazy ideas already so I knew what clear thinking and more importantly trusting my decision making felt like again. Thank you again for modeling kindness and repping your cause. |
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Post by Olan on Mar 19, 2021 14:58:24 GMT
They are having a rough year career wise. Her partner is the press aide that was fired for threatening the reporter.
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Post by Olan on Mar 19, 2021 14:53:52 GMT
White people should be scared too. Unless you are at a Waffle House dining with James Shaw Jr. everyone is at risk of being the victim of enraged white men.
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Post by Olan on Mar 19, 2021 14:51:06 GMT
I actually havn't wasted any energy! I could say the same to you about all your posts on this subject. I'm just trying to keep the info shared, as facts. Not speculation. This happened 1 mile from where my dd goes to college, in my home state. Trust me, we have heard ALL the facts. Funny I asked if anyone had first-hand knowledge that only being apart of the community would make you privied to and she never replied. You sharing the fact that the child wasn't his...seems odd. And cold. Of ALL the facts you know that's what you decided to share? Why? I also posted regarding the teenager in Texas who was shot as he was leaving a rowdy party. abcnews.go.com/amp/US/police-involved-shooting-teen-killed-rifle-left-house/story?id=47143551Teenage boys, cafeteria workers, mothers with babies in their laps you name it. All deserve death instead of being booked like a white person. And then women (who are supposed to be bleeding hearts with nurturing spirits) like you come up with every excuse why it's justifiable. Someone shared that the dash cam wasn't graphic and didn't show the shooting, that means she was able to hear the child tell her handcuffed mother to be quiet and warned her if she didn't she would be killed, and none of that touched a motherly tender spot in her at all. The need to blame the victim and place no responsibility at the feet of the police was again the consensus. No legislative changes. No convictions. No changes in policing. Nothing has changed. No one is even trying to spin this different. It's like everyone is shrugging their shoulders watching us be killed. Do we really deserve this type of treatment when America hasn't even begun to say sorry for the atrocities it carried out in years pass? When I was in elementary school an African kid moved to our city. I was very excited about hearing what his life was like and was fairly certain he was royalty. Well when he arrived all of our mostly white classmates picked on this kid. First it was African booty scratcher then it was nigger go back to Africa. I say all this to say....I have no hope things will change. None. Many of you think nothing needs to change. Then an even bigger number of you know things need to change and do Fuck all about it. I don't think I will ever have the same freedoms that you as white women enjoy. No matter what the circumstances white people will find a way to make black people sub-human. This is a global thing. In a conversation among family we talked about the possibility that white people have a pre-disposition for this behavior. Just like Black people have behaviors that stem from slavery. Then you read the comment section of a news story, recognize the only reason 45 is president, come to a messageboard you've frequented since you were a teenager etc and you know then that something drastic has to happen. I think black people should make a mass exit from a system that doesn't recognize us as people. Become self sufficient, build all black communities, homeschool our children police each other, grow watermelon, raise chickens, enjoy being freeborn. These last three years have been heartbreaking for me as a black woman. I can't even begin to describe how betrayed and disgusted I feel as an American. An American woman whose ancestors built this country. Literally. Of course this would work best if every black person decided they were fed up too. I am sure the "real" racist people will delight or bomb the communities we start. I imagine the undercover racists will only feel the difference come March or during NFL season. You commended me for sharing my mental health struggles and spoke as if this was the first time I was sharing the “human”’side of myself. @merge said “Thank you so much for sharing this tidbit. I think that being open about our personal struggles like this is empowering for everyone and goes a long way towards all of us seeing each other as human beings and not just a collection of internet posts (and this goes for all of us here - not just you). No condemnation here on any of what you said. I can only imagine how Black people have felt over the past few years and especially last year - if weed helped you through, particularly with mental illness, that’s awesome.” 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/77186/passing-buckA thread where I post informative links about mental health and the Black community. An infographic about mental health and racial trauma www.psychology.uga.edu/coping-racial-trauma |
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Post by Olan on Mar 19, 2021 14:36:52 GMT
I'm curious. Why the last three years? Election season and coming to terms with how invested white people are in keeping things the same. Learning more about my ancestors, making the connections between their experience and my own. A variety of things but thats the short answer I feel comfortable providing. Your concern really stood out in this thread. Thank you 😏 Darcy Collins telling everyone the very graphic to me video wouldn’t be a traumatic watch for them at all...and Cindy letting everyone know that Diamond and Philando weren’t a “real family”. zella Reddit or 2peas I’d be busy AF pointing out the implicit bias and/or racist thought in this thread. |
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Post by Olan on Mar 19, 2021 14:30:51 GMT
Nia Wilson’s death is kinda what pushed me to begin therapy. Compassion all up and through this thread right. Nothing to see here right zella. I should just head over to Reddit and do some undercover work on the incel board. Thwart some mass shootings or something 😒 |
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Post by Olan on Mar 19, 2021 14:25:32 GMT
Have you personally reached out to your local law enforcement and shared those concerns? I have. In person. By phone. Via email. Via snail mail. I feel pretty passionately about this issue. I wish more people did. Point out where someone said Olan I’m sorry you feel scared and can’t even utilize the police to call for help anymore. What can I do? Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling Elaine Wohlgemuth Shilling RIP Alton&Philando |
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Post by Olan on Mar 19, 2021 14:23:46 GMT
Show me the compassionate response?
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Post by Olan on Mar 19, 2021 14:22:36 GMT
You won't be able to lie and say you had no clue what was going on. Call me bitter. Call me angry. Assume I hate all white people. Just don't deny what is happening to black people in 2017. When was the last time a black person killed someone because of their skin tone? |
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Post by Olan on Mar 19, 2021 14:19:29 GMT
This was a really rough time for me as far as mental health goes. I had a really bad work environment in addition to everything Black people were experiencing as far as racial violence goes. I was likely high at the time of this “rambling”. I’ll remind everyone how trendy it is for white women to talk openly about their cannabis usage so it would be in pretty poor taste to damn me for it. I wouldn’t care if you did. Cannabis helps with not giving a fuck about what anyone thinks of you. Especially people YOU don’t think highly of. 😏 no pun Thank you so much for sharing this tidbit. I think that being open about our personal struggles like this is empowering for everyone and goes a long way towards all of us seeing each other as human beings and not just a collection of internet posts (and this goes for all of us here - not just you). No condemnation here on any of what you said. I can only imagine how Black people have felt over the past few years and especially last year - if weed helped you through, particularly with mental illness, that’s awesome. I haven’t been responding to your recent posts because I don’t want to center myself in these discussions in any way, but I do read and ponder almost everything you post. Some of it makes me uncomfortable, and it’s probably better for me to just sit with that and listen some more instead of inserting myself in the conversation. If you can only imagine what I was going through where was your compassionate response? I remember you. 👀 My posts here at 2peas were very human (when I read some of my responses I get choked up, this is like a raw journal for me) and few responded in a compassionate way at all. After the election and with the continued racial violence against Black people, there likely wasn’t a Black person alive whose mental health was not suffering. So the idea that no one could see what I was going through here doesn’t ring true for me. What makes the most logical sense and would fall in line with past behavior is you saw what I was going through and were not moved to help. So umm no I was very vocal about how I was feeling and a small portion of the pea population was incredibly cruel. Another segment was silent as it happened. And then the rest jumped on or OFF the I hate Olan bandwagon depending on the climate at the time. Everyone thanks me now but the old threads speak for themselves |
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Post by Olan on Mar 19, 2021 14:08:00 GMT
I wasn’t preaching to the choir and the responses (and complicit silence) should let everyone know I was and still am very much in the right place if I wanted to call out implicit bias and outright racism. You are in a hateful ass thread about a Black woman who did nothing but bring to the board issues of race and racial violence. But because no one wanted to deal with the complex emotions that come along with a “reckoning” like this, you decided instead to focus in on MY shortcomings instead of the societal ones you uphold every day. I was bullied and then called the bully. Now zella is trying to tell me I’d find more in your face racism someplace else. No one gets the irony in that? You do realize this isn’t an issue a Black person should even be tasked to fix. It’s like asking rape victims to corral the rapists. As much as white women love to boast about their Black family members why don’t you go over to Reddit and call out racism. See where it gets you🤷🏾♀️ |
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Post by Olan on Mar 19, 2021 13:57:54 GMT
A few thoughts... Your post here, shows you are probably not as sensitive to racial overtones as you think you are. Pointing out bias and racism is important wherever it occurs. You can have connections, with black people and still do and believe racist things. Using people you love to "prove" you aren't racist is gross (for lack of a better word). Aww, thanks LiLi. File this under can't win for losing. Yeah, if I said it was a friend I'd agree, but it's my husband for fuck's sake, and as i said, I'm more sensitive because hubby has been dealing with it his whole life. I haven't. He is calm about it. I am fit to be tied. I stand against racism anywhere I see it and always have. But sure, let's just keep on calling white allies names because they can't (apparently) say anything in this fight. So if I see racism I just have to stay quiet because I'm that dirty-word? You know, white? Of course it's important to point it out. But why not work where your words and anger are more likely to reach their intended targets? Here it's largely preaching to the choir. Oh, sure there are some bad apples here, but not the entire batch. |
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Post by Olan on Mar 19, 2021 13:57:43 GMT
If white is such a dirty word why are so many Black people dead behind nothing else but someone else’s hatred of them? You denying privilege and doing the woe is me act is predictable. Please stop making someone else responsible for the guilt you feel. You have Black family members to “unpack” that with why bring a complete stranger into the mix? For the people in the back... I CAN’T MAKE YOU FEEL ANYTHING. http://instagram.com/p/CMUdRA2FmLN |
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Post by Olan on Mar 19, 2021 1:24:20 GMT
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And I apologized to you after talking to her. She set me straight in a way only a girlfriend can. But what I wanted to say to you is, after she said that to me, I have never looked at you with defensiveness again. I don't say much, but I read and listen. And after hearing the woman speak at my NAMI meeting I heard it in a way that was so personal, just like that day with my girlfriend, and I get now that sometimes things aren't conveyed in the same way with a stranger in type. It's easier to feel defensive. It's harder to love and have compassion. So I'm grateful for the personal connections I've had with people of color. The biggest thing I've learned is that this is damaging people of color. All these killings. All the systemic racism. It's a wonder my NAMI meeting isn't filled with people of color because there is suffering due to racism. (And the fact that my NAMI isn't filled with people of color when I live in a very diverse area in itself speaks volumes about racisim) I hope that we can comfort our new friend. And I hope that since you are seeing a therapist now, that she is offering you comfort and that we can offer you comfort. While I may not say a lot, I can challenge myself to comment in a way that shows compassion because I feel that your message is worth hearing. 
