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Post by Olan on Nov 23, 2021 20:09:00 GMT
that explains why I was confused Olan is bumping a lot of threads today. Kinda in an "I told ya so, you bunch of pea racists" fashion. Well I did, didn’t I? Look at my post history and how many warnings you ignored or were indignant about👀?! Funny thing is I could still be here bumping threads, banging on keyboards, connecting dots as if anyone was actually ready to listen to Black women for once. Thanks goodness for perspective change eh! This place still has the same vibe. Same faces too! Be well 🤷🏾♀️
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Post by Olan on Apr 14, 2021 23:47:30 GMT
I think it’s bigger than hair textures and belonging. I don’t know one Black adoptee raised in a white family that didn’t need extensive therapy or didn’t have issues with addiction and self loathing. I think Black foster kids are seen as “less than” so the vetting that goes into placements just isn’t the same. The Hart children Abby Johnson‘s son, and Rachel Dolezal’s adopted siblings come to mind. Super long read but informative AF isreview.org/issue/91/race-and-class-us-foster-care-systemI’d like to introduce you to my son who needs no therapy, is well adjusted in society, has an education, has a well paying job & is respected in his community & extremely loved for the person he is not for the color of his skin. He also is not involved in drugs & has never been. My son is 33 years old and is nothing but a joy to be with. I can see why my truth filled statement about my lived experience could be taken personally by adoptive moms. Nothing in my statement says there are no Black adoptees thriving. I just talked about the journey it takes to heal because that’s been my experience with adoptees Listen I’m glad you raised a healthy human being. The last thing I want to see is Black people hurting needlessly. Though I hope he is loved for the color of his skin too. Those articles talk about growing up in a household that doesn’t see color. They all say the same thing. A success story doesn’t change the fact that Black children are 4xs as likely to be removed from their home than their white counterparts. Oftentimes for no good reason. And that the homes they are placed in are abusive and damaging. Devonte Hart and his siblings didn’t get the life they deserved and IN MY OPINION after they were at the bottom of the ocean their case got swept under a rug because no one wants to talk about this issue. Did you see that old thread? Those babies deserved way more 😔 A success story also won’t change the fact that I’ve lost a loved one because they couldn’t reconcile what happened to them and why no one cared. We all have stories. Mine doesn’t cancel out yours and yours can’t cancel out mine. Room for it all.
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Post by Olan on Apr 14, 2021 15:45:06 GMT
calendar.eji.org/racial-injustice/apr/14Shortly before midnight on April 14, 1906, two innocent Black men named Horace Duncan and Fred Coker (aka Jim Copeland) were abducted from the county jail by a white mob of several thousand participants and lynched in Springfield, Missouri. Two days following the public lynchings of Mr. Duncan and Mr. Coker, a newspaper reported that “now the great state of Missouri faces the probable disgrace of letting two innocent men be hanged by a mob.” The day before the lynching, a white woman reported that she had been assaulted by two African American men. Despite having “no evidence against them,” Mr. Duncan and Mr. Coker were “arrested on suspicion” by local police. The men were taken to the county jail to await trial, even though their employer had also provided an alibi for them to confirm that they had not been involved in the alleged assault. During this era, race—rather than guilt—made African Americans vulnerable to indiscriminate suspicion and false accusation after a reported crime, even when there was no evidence tying them to the alleged offense. White people's allegations against African Americans were rarely subject to scrutiny, and the mere accusation that a Black man had been sexually inappropriate with a white woman often aroused violent reprisal before the judicial system could or would act. In the case of Mr. Duncan and Mr. Coker, one newspaper reported the lynch mob “was bent on vengeance and in no mood to discriminate between guilt and innocence.” When the mob arrived at the county jail, local law enforcement did little to stop the mob from seizing Mr. Duncan and Mr. Coker, though the officers were armed and responsible for protecting the men in their custody. When the mob dragged Mr. Duncan and Mr. Coker outside, the gathered crowd of nearly 3,000 angry white men, women, and children began shouting, “Hang them!” and “Burn them!” At the public square, the mob hanged both men from the railing of the Gottfried Tower, then set a fire underneath and watched as both corpses were reduced to ashes in the flames. Continuing their rampage, the mob returned to the jail and proceeded to lynch another African American man—Will Allen. Local police had abandoned the prisoners, and it was only when the state militia arrived that the mob was dispersed and prevented from seizing anyone else from the jail. Two days after the lynching of these three men, the woman who reported being assaulted issued a statement that she was “positive" that [Mr. Coker and Mr. Duncan] "were not her assailants, and that she could identify her assailants if they were brought before her.” But the lynch mob's act of racial terror had made its mark, terrorizing the entire Black community. Many local Black residents had fled their jobs and homes to escape the mob attack. Following the lynchings and mob violence, a grand jury was called to indict anyone who had participated in the mob. By April 19, four white men had been arrested and 25 warrants were issued. Only one white man was tried, however, and no one was ever convicted. Horace Duncan, Fred Coker, and Will Allen were three of at least 60 African American victims of racial terror lynching in Missouri between 1877 and 1950.
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Post by Olan on Apr 14, 2021 15:30:09 GMT
wtop.com/maryland/2021/04/md-attorney-general-moves-to-dismiss-lawsuit-claiming-cover-up-of-anton-blacks-death/amp/Another Black man killed. Same medical examiner. The Biden admin decided against the National Police oversight commission they promised Black voters. The Maryland Attorney General’s Office has filed a motion to dismiss a lawsuit from the family of Anton Black claiming the medical examiner tried to cover up his death in his autopsy report. Black, 19, died while in police custody on the Eastern Shore in September 2018. Black’s family filed a lawsuit last December saying the office did not release its findings in Black’s death until Gov. Larry Hogan intervened. In a new motion to dismiss filed in Maryland District Court, the Attorney General’s office defends the actions of Dr. Russell Alexander, who performed the autopsy, former chief medical examiner Dr. David Fowler and current chief medical examiner Dr. Victor Weedn. The general attorney’s office is representing the medical examiner’s officer in the matter. Fowler is set to testify for the defense in the Minneapolis murder trial of former police officer Derek Chauvin on Wednesday, who is charged with killing George Floyd. Black’s family claims excessive force and racial bias led to their son’s death by “positional asphyxiation,” and allege a cover-up involving the state medical examiner and police personnel from the Eastern Shore towns of Greensboro, Ridgley and Centreville. For example, the family’s lawsuit claims the medical examiner failed to release its toxicology report showing Black did not have drugs in his system because it would have contradicted the police narrative that he did.
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 22:39:28 GMT
Have you personally reached out to your local law enforcement and shared those concerns? More than once, yes. Keep at it. You’ve been consistent at many a thing. By many I mean being antagonistic to me. Glad to see you keep that same energy.
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 20:16:24 GMT
Didn’t want to start a separate thread but look at Brene Brown’s comments on Instagram.
What does that sound like to you?
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 19:41:46 GMT
It does when it's mis-information. The whole pulled over for an air freshener, isn't true. I totally get what you guys are saying, that black people are pulled over much more, and the pulling out of guns. But do you guys think it's ok for someone to resist arrest? to run? so police should just let them go? and then send them a notice in the mail? How often do you think that person with a warrant out for their arrest pays that fine then? How should someone resisting arrest be handled? should they just be let go? Police are “supposed” to be the ones trained to stay calm, diffuse, etc. but they’re the ones doing the killing. A normal fear reaction is flight. Black males fear for their lives just for existing. Have you personally reached out to your local law enforcement and shared those concerns?
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 19:18:38 GMT
Hope the break is restorative. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 19:15:33 GMT
They function is the same. That system doesn’t leave room for good cops. And before anyone asks yes that includes Black police officers.
Being pulled over for tags in a pandemic where DMVs aren’t even open still causes no one to scratch their chin and think hmm maybe the problem is police in Black communities period.
How about this! For one month just don’t police Black communities. When I was a kid racist white people used to say “Just leave em they will all kill themselves anyway” haven’t heard that line of thought in a while.
Sounds perfect. No police for a month and they either sit home with no pay or go do the same type of traffic stops and work over on white communities.
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 18:39:36 GMT
And I don’t need to bump all the police related threads I’ve started so we can figure out what Cindy thought about the Philando C. case do I? Or what you thought about police killing Black people at the first major signs we needed to do something?
I see the deflection. I see the refusal to educate yourself. I see the desire to make me a villain so you don’t have to look in a mirror.
I know you see it as well.
You don’t have a Player 2 in me anymore.
The conversations we’ve (society not just 2peas) been having about race are old AF & enough white men have made millions off of implicit bias training and anti racist literature. Do the work. If you do nothing you are complicit. You’ve been in this same place before. Now it’s time to do the right thing. Period.
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 18:32:42 GMT
You don’t totally get what I am saying. I’m not going to play along. Have this conversation with other white people who think like you do. And the partial quote again. You guys do this to avoid talking about heavy topics, if you don’t want to discuss the topics I’ve brought up I’m definitely not about to entertain yours. I do get what you are saying. Do you get what I'm saying? I have had the conversation with other white, black, red, yellow people here. I would like you're actual words Olan, and not a bunch of links. I am open to talk about a heavy topic, right now. It's not entertainment, at all. I want to have an open, honest, non defensive conversation. No I don’t. You literally have to read the information to understand. We can not answer your line of questioning until we talk about those links. Once you read them you might find you do not have those same questions. Until then I don’t want to have a discussion with you. For my own sanity. For my own well being.
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 17:45:55 GMT
It doesn’t matter why he was pulled over. It does when it's mis-information. The whole pulled over for an air freshener, isn't true. I totally get what you guys are saying, that black people are pulled over much more, and the pulling out of guns. But do you guys think it's ok for someone to resist arrest? to run? so police should just let them go? and then send them a notice in the mail? How often do you think that person with a warrant out for their arrest pays that fine then? How should someone resisting arrest be handled? should they just be let go? You don’t totally get what I am saying. I’m not going to play along. Have this conversation with other white people who think like you do. And the partial quote again. You guys do this to avoid talking about heavy topics, if you don’t want to discuss the topics I’ve brought up I’m definitely not about to entertain yours.
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 17:25:00 GMT
Black people are funding their own mistreatments. We pay taxes and then we are disproportionately fined.
I still donate to a fund that helps Black people pay for traffic tickets so they can get their licenses reinstated. If there was a State study on who gets their license suspended and the economic effects that has on Black families I would not be surprised at the data. It’s an issue.
That means your white community won’t have a police officer assigned to harass you as you leave the corner store.. They are overpolicing Black communities and throwing all the funding at white ones.
Until we are frank about the problem we won’t be able to stop Black people from needlessly being killed by police.
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 17:06:27 GMT
www.vox.com/platform/amp/2016/7/7/12118868/traffic-stops-police-profit-incentive-black-livesRoutine police stops like the one by the unnamed officer who pulled Castile over are not uncommon and, in fact, are often incentivized in police forces, as Jack Hitt of Mother Jones wrote in September 2015. That’s a huge part of the problem. In fact, NBC’s Tom Winter reports Castile was pulled over 31 times over his driving life, and received multiple tickets for a range of non-violent misdemeanors including "driving without a muffler" and speeding. Hitt reported on the fact that many police departments assist city budgets in raising revenue — even funding police officers' salaries — through fines, tickets, and the added fees that accompany them. This cycle of perpetual fees, leading to mounting debt, disproportionately hurts black and brown communities, whose members are more likely to be stopped by police officers and more likely to be impoverished than white Americans. Hitt adds: There is still no comprehensive study to determine just how many cities pay their bills by indenturing the poor, but it is probably no coincidence that when you examine the recent rash of police killings, you find that the offenses they were initially stopped for were preposterously minor. How can we know just what insidious racism and racial violence looks like yet still do nothing?
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 16:45:31 GMT
He’s out on bail. I think it amounted to like 100K. His wife filed for divorced the day after he killed Floyd. Hiding assets cheating the IRS is likely the reason. She is a real estate agent.
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 15:39:54 GMT
That it’s perfectly fine to kill Black citizens because no one really gives a damn.
We are having a trial to decide if 9 mins of Chauvin knee on another human beings neck is what really killed him. Why should the MN police precinct still be standing again?
She was doing her job. Functioning just like she should. So are you guys.
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 15:35:16 GMT
“Olan, I'm an ally, I hear you, I validate your anger. I'm just not interested in getting in the middle of a pissing match between you and peas I know are also your allies.* This is the kind of infighting among liberals that, if it continues, will cause Trump to win another term and continue to empower those with racist tendencies to act on them. That's why you haven't seen me posting on this thread. For a more just country for everyone, we need to keep our eyes on the goal.” How it read to me “I hear you, I see you. I even see the peas who gaslight you, I’m still not about to check another white woman on your behalf sis. You tell me who is my ally even if I think she is an unrepentant bitch. You describe elaine comment and my response as a pissing match. You admonish me but not elaine. Here is my response to her saying she wouldn’t be surprised if I was met with mistreatment by police. A real pissing match 😑🙄 “ It would be a death wish to speak with disrespect to an officer as a black woman. I would venture to guess no one does this. With that sad fact aside your perception of me is guided in large part because I am a black woman. I'm no more or no less angry or surly than any other pea here. We also know that white criminals can behave any way they'd like and still receive better treatment than black criminals. Black people have been placated for a long time with this idea that if you are respectful and not a criminal you shouldn't have any problems interacting with police but then men in stalled cars and with licenses to carry are shot with no justice you realize that isn't the truth. I think a lot of white people are like elaine and believe that the mistreatment of black people is warranted and could be prevented if black people behaved differently.” You gone on to say the “in fighting” could cause 45 to win. I think we knew then the role Black women would have in the 2020 elections so warning me that I could be THE REASON was pretty rich and lacking personal responsibility but I digress. Where is this more just country you spoke of? From where I sit this morning it looks like more of the same. And before anyone tells me how I feel or how to feel...I’m pretty mad about it. He promised a just country too. www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/04/11/biden-police-oversight-commission-480931
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 14:52:48 GMT
It was never about respecting troops or honoring a flag. Those assholes wanted to humiliate and emasculate him just like they’ve always done Black servicemen. edition.cnn.com/2017/06/05/health/police-language-race-oakland-study/index.htmlI posted that article in 2017. At that time few wanted to talk about the reporting or research so the pea comments devolved (as my threads always do) from police treating Black people with respect during traffic stops to how I did not deserve respect during a police stop because of my “interpersonal communication style”. Meanwhile less than polite treatment by police is Breonna Taylor, Sandra Bland, Korryn Gaines etc. single most hurtful thing a pea has said to me and never apologized for. “I have no doubt regarding the findings of the study. Which is incredibly depressing and wrong. And, I would also add that one's interpersonal communication style also impacts how one is treated, regardless of race. If the OP speaks to people IRL as she does here, I would not be surprised if she received less-than-polite responses/treatment in return.” elaine 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/62666/updated-police-speak-respectfully-drivers?page=1
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