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Post by Olan on Jan 26, 2021 20:03:11 GMT
Most Americans know that George Washington owned enslaved people at his Mount Vernon home. But fewer probably know that it was his wife, Martha, who dramatically increased the enslaved population there. When they wed in 1759, George may have owned around 18 people. Martha, one of the richest women in Virginia, owned 84.
The high number of people Martha Washington owned is unusual, but the fact that she owned them is not. Stephanie E. Jones-Rogers, a history professor at the University of California-Berkeley, is compiling data on just how many white women owned slaves in the U.S.; and in the parts of the 1850 and 1860 census data she’s studied so far, white women make up about 40 percents of all slave owners.
Slaveholding parents “typically gave their daughters more enslaved people than land,” says Jones-Rogers, whose book They Were Her Property: White Women as Slave Owners in the American South came out in February 2019. “What this means is that their very identities as white southern women are tied to the actual or the possible ownership of other people.”
White women were active and violent participants in the slave market. They bought, sold, managed and sought the return of enslaved people, in whom they had a vested economic interest. Owning a large number of enslaved people made a woman a better marriage prospect. Once married, white women fought in courts to preserve their legal ownership over enslaved people (as opposed to their husband’s ownership), and often won. “For them, slavery was their freedom,” Jones-Rogers observes in her book.
They Were Her Property upends a lot of older scholarship. For example, previous scholars have argued that most southern white women didn’t buy, sell or inflict violence on enslaved people because this was considered improper for them. But Jones-Rogers argues that white women were actually trained to participate from a very young age.
Their exposure to the slave market is not something that begins in adulthood—it begins in their homes when they’re little girls, sometimes infants, when they’re given enslaved people as gifts,” she says. Citing interviews with formerly enslaved people that the Works Progress Administration—a New Deal agency—conducted in the 1930s, Jones-Rogers shows that part of white children’s training in plantation management involved beating enslaved people.
“It didn’t matter whether the child was large or small,” one woman told the WPA. “They always beat you ’til the blood ran down.”
As adults, white women often tore black women away from their babies so they could nurse the white mistress’ baby instead. To this end, white women placed thousands of advertisements in newspapers looking for enslaved “wet nurses” to feed their own children and created a huge market for enslaved black women who had recently given birth.
Why did these white women want black women to nurse their children? One complained “she felt like continuously having children and continuously nursing her children made her ‘a slave’ to her children—that’s an actual quote,” Jones-Rogers says.
Some black women reported in WPA interviews that their mothers would always give birth around the same time as the white mistress, suggesting that these mistresses were also orchestrating the sexual assault of enslaved women.
“There were instances in which formerly enslaved people did in fact say that their mistresses either sanctioned acts of sexual violence against them that were perpetrated at the hands of white men; or that they orchestrated instances of sexual violence between two enslaved people that they owned, in hopes of producing children from those acts of sexual violence,” Jones-Rogers says.
White women also fought to maintain the wealth and free labor that slavery provided them through the Civil War. As Union troops made their way through the south freeing enslaved people, white women would move enslaved people farther from the soldiers’ path. One woman, Martha Gibbs, even took enslaved people to Texas and forced them to work for her at gunpoint until 1866, a year after slavery’s formal abolition.
After the Civil War, southern white women sought to recreate slavery through exploitative work contracts. Some also wrote books portraying the institution of slavery as gentle and benign—the most famous being Gone With the Wind by Margaret Mitchell, a woman born 35 years after abolition. Yet as Jones-Rogers argues in her book, it was not only white women’s “ideological and sentimental connections” to slavery that made them defend it. Scarlett O'Hara would’ve been protecting her economic interests, too.
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Born in Ann Arundel County, Maryland, Black was moved to New Orleans at a very young age. By the time he turned six, Mr. Bradford, a carpenter, was his master. While Mr. Bradford was not particularly cruel or prone to punishing Black, his wife was a different story. She beat the young Black both passionately and frequently, sometimes ordering her ten-year-old son to partake either in the physical beatings or to simply degrade Black by spitting in his face. In one particular instance, Mrs. Bradford asked Black to carry a bushel of corn upstairs, and when he could not, she knocked him down with a Johnnycake board, causing his head to lose a quart of blood.
While Black’s story did not occur on a plantation, Mrs. Bradford was in the same position of managing a household as the plantation mistresses were in managing their plantations. Although entirely possible that Mrs. Bradford simply experienced some form of emotional pleasure in beating Black, she held many responsibilities just like plantation wives, meaning that feeling in control was likely of importance to her as well. Beating Black could have confirmed her role in the household for her. Ultimately, wives of slaveholders did not want to demonstrate any loss of power or poise to their inferiors, and the way in which they treated their slaves was a direct reflection of the level of security they felt around the slaves.
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Post by Olan on Jan 26, 2021 18:40:47 GMT
I think my idea of the human shield isn’t far from this idea. Walk in front of me though. My body isn’t safe. We have to acknowledge that. If I had a white woman advocating for me and insisting I get the same treatment she does shit would have changed for me some time ago. Imagine what would have happened if white women spoke up during slavery and said no to at least splitting up families and raping women. Slavery still went on but those things that make my stomach turn as a woman...I really can’t see how white women allowed that to go down. I think white women are again being tasked with some hard choices and every time they decide to continue enjoying the comforts of privilege. When Tamir Rice died that should have been a call to at least take a look at how black communities were being policed. When I started the threads about police brutality everyone balked/complained ask why all I brought up were issues of race. Peas even agreed that if I was mistreated by police it would be because of something I said or did and not the propensity of police to bring harm/death to black women. That was the pea response just a few years ago. 🤷🏾♀️When Black people revolt it shouldn’t have come from left field. We are tired. Lay your body on the line for me in the same way my ancestors fed your ancestors. There is most definitely a debt here. The idea that black people pay taxes in counties where police departments have long standing histories of brutalizing communities is crazy to me. Blowing them up even! So while I’m certain I’m owed reparations I’d settle for white people dismantling racist systems without my help and a couple decades of not funding my own mistreatment. White women had very little power on their own at that time. Perhaps they might try to influence their husbands but more often than not they would have been told to ga back to managing the household. Wow.
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Post by Olan on Jan 26, 2021 17:58:07 GMT
How much time could one possibly need to own having passed off historically inaccurate information as fact? This a 2 page thread from August 2020. You don’t have to sift through many responses to see the flow the dialogue took. There was no savior complex or even insistence you do the work in fact I did all the leg work for you. Graciously admitting you were wrong should have happened at time. Even a like would be acknowledgement. Instead in January 2021 you tell me I have a savior complex and am a bit much. You go even further and say you can educate yourself without my help. Totally unprompted by the way. In 2018 I posted scientific information about the physiological damage Black people go through watching one another experience racial violence. It’s conditioning and I stand by that statement. If peano wants to address anything let’s address that! What was rhetoric and what was reality? Who decides? What do you think my mission was in 2018? When you say I am doing it no favors, what did you mean? What could have happened if peas were receptive regardless of how little they liked Olan As I’ve said I am committed to ensuring peas stand by the words they type. Look at the responses and the way people spoke to me. Look at o say the last year and then back to how urgent my calls to action were beginning in 2016. Savior complex? Ummm for my own black ass life. I urged everyone to start looking for ways to become more anti racist before it was trending. If magic shaving powder became a pea thing why couldn’t white women deeply invested in ending racism become a thing too?
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Post by Olan on Jan 26, 2021 14:52:30 GMT
Sock I had already responded but wanted to touch on other things with a fresh morning brain. peano the smell has dissipated 😉you are free to be as smug and historical inaccurate as you’d like. Coast is clear. Side note: She is likely an educator. Many of the peas are.
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Post by Olan on Jan 26, 2021 14:46:41 GMT
For what it’s worth I take more issue with people not calling out peano . White women seem to think correcting one another is a pile on. As if private messaging doesn’t work. Trust me I get solidarity and holding rank 😉but I will pull a Black women to the side with a loving correction in a second. You’ll see the few Black peas do the same to me.. Peano is smug with it too. Repeat offender even😳. One thread the work Black women have to do is unconscionable but in another simply to disagree with me she gives a participation trophy to everyone who voted. Guess who becomes the bully when I say sit down with a book and STFU. I'm confused because I couldn't find that comment about being a Karen-savior in this thread, so I'm reading out of context. But, @peano, I would say that as a white woman, you're probably NOT totally capable of educating yourself by yourself on issues around race, and listening to Black women is important. That comment is highly problematic. . She is capable. As is every other white person in America. That’s not my hill. I don’t think anyone needs handholding. Anti racist work is just like any other thing you do to improve your character. Someone can help you along the way but personal responsibility and the willingness to be better people is the only thing that will root the change. Black people have also been put on notice that in order to uphold it you’ve got to know how it works. So sure listen to Black women but recognize the work that is anti-racist conditioning. Honest work. The work that involves tackling the truth. Even if the truth makes your stomach turn. Also regarding context....I link threads, post quotes, and connect dots very well. So is it confusion or the unwillingness to call out pea friends? Let’s forget about the Karen savior comment (the one that didn’t happen in this thread but was linked) and talk about the historical inaccuracy passed off as truth. Why was I the only pea who corrected peano? Why do you think she wasn’t gracious enough to acknowledge the new information? Why the smugness about how educated she is without my help AFTER the historical inaccuracy. That doesn’t smack anyone else as rich AF? Just me? Okay 🤷🏾♀️
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Post by Olan on Jan 25, 2021 23:29:58 GMT
Today makes 49 years since Shirley Chisholm announced her run for presidency.
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Post by Olan on Jan 25, 2021 23:04:54 GMT
Dr. Biden saw Amanda perform for the first time while she was wearing a similar shade of yellow to the inauguration coat. When the got invited Dr. Biden commented on how beautiful she looked in the color.
I thought it was a nod to Maya Angelou. My mind immediately went to canary yellow and the book cover of I Know Why A Caged Bird Sings.
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Post by Olan on Jan 25, 2021 22:23:53 GMT
Treat money you loan as a gift
My first job was a telemarketing agency cold calling. I loaned the equivalent of 2 weeks pay to a single mom who then refused to pay me back. I was 15. She had an eating disorder and loved to “mentor” younger girls. I left the shit town upon graduation but what do you know quick Facebook search says she never did and hates Biden. Won’t admit loving 45 but tons of Biden memes. Factual though so ummm go public school education I guess?
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Post by Olan on Jan 25, 2021 15:20:34 GMT
Personal responsibility...no one wants to taste it🤷🏾♀️
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Post by Olan on Jan 25, 2021 15:02:01 GMT
How I see it peano has already farted and disappeared. And she was able to because in a thread about what Black people need from allies there wasn’t one present to tell her to cut the powerless act and revisionist history lesson to answer the question “What would happen if white women advocated for Black women?” I can almost guarantee that if/when peano returns to this thread she won’t answer that question because she doesn’t want to reconcile what that inaction meant for enslaved women, and what it says about the women who did nothing. Only because then we could make the connection about the missed social justice movement that aren’t being led by white women present day. My sneaky suspicion is if anything changes Black women will be at the helm. That’s when all the abolitionist will pop out pretending they had a hand in it. Sorta like this election season 😏
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Post by Olan on Jan 25, 2021 14:20:46 GMT
I think my idea of the human shield isn’t far from this idea. Walk in front of me though. My body isn’t safe. We have to acknowledge that. If I had a white woman advocating for me and insisting I get the same treatment she does shit would have changed for me some time ago. Imagine what would have happened if white women spoke up during slavery and said no to at least splitting up families and raping women. Slavery still went on but those things that make my stomach turn as a woman...I really can’t see how white women allowed that to go down. I think white women are again being tasked with some hard choices and every time they decide to continue enjoying the comforts of privilege. When Tamir Rice died that should have been a call to at least take a look at how black communities were being policed. When I started the threads about police brutality everyone balked/complained ask why all I brought up were issues of race. Peas even agreed that if I was mistreated by police it would be because of something I said or did and not the propensity of police to bring harm/death to black women. That was the pea response just a few years ago. 🤷🏾♀️When Black people revolt it shouldn’t have come from left field. We are tired. Lay your body on the line for me in the same way my ancestors fed your ancestors. There is most definitely a debt here. The idea that black people pay taxes in counties where police departments have long standing histories of brutalizing communities is crazy to me. Blowing them up even! So while I’m certain I’m owed reparations I’d settle for white people dismantling racist systems without my help and a couple decades of not funding my own mistreatment. In response to your passage that I bolded for emphasis, what would have happened is that white women would have been punished in any number of “nice”, creative ways as they literally had no more legal rights than Black people at that time. They were more socially accepted, yes, obviously, but legally they were at the mercy of their husbands and fathers and dependent upon their goodwill. They were their husband's property and subject to their rules. Standing up to men at that time might have resulted in their medication into submission, threats to separate them/actually separate them from their children, physical violence, institutionalization, among others. Not exactly the breeding ground for social justice action. Olan, I want to respond to you, but I’ve got some stuff going on earlier today and won’t be able to respond until later. Just putting it out there that I’m not going to fart and disappear. peano I’m unsure of why you tagged me in Michy’s thread one totally unrelated to this one but I’ve placed the quote here so no one is confused by what transpired.
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Post by Olan on Jan 25, 2021 13:29:58 GMT
This thread is feeling like one where some white women are simply refusing to acknowledge their ancestors role in history because then they’d be forced to reconcile the role they play in the racism that is still killing Black people in 2021. Make the connection that back then the only way for white women to exert control over their own financial futures was by owning enslaved Africans. Not pea pants version of things at all. Acknowledge that rape did occur. Probably even more than what was documented because Black men reporting sexual contact with white women meant their bodies were mutilated or hung from trees. Acknowledge that they were not at all powerless in what happened. Powerful instead. That it was sick. To be able to separate a mother from her child. To watch that sort of sexual trauma happen to another woman and do nothing. That way we can examine why Tamir Rice or Breonna Taylor didn’t make white women collectively decided that whatever role they play, they need to change course so Black Mothers can have some peace. That you’ve got the same power then that you have now. And you use it by Weaponizing the police or Hopping on a bandwagon to discredit or attack a Black woman you wanna silence. Or being an outraged citizen and nothing else. No fucks to give essentially. Pretending like you aren’t just waiting around for Black people to solve it. If you think I am being harsh I think you are too sis. I can’t even imagine being so uncaring. Like I can’t. I read those old threads and think wow why did they talk to me like that. Ummm duhhhh to avoid the work of it all! There is such inter connectedness. Maybe I am doing a shit job of conveying it But I’m positive someone wrote a dissertation already. Don’t worry I won’t too much of a victim mentality for that much matriculation. Right?! 😏
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Post by Olan on Jan 25, 2021 0:46:23 GMT
I don’t know which pea it was but she talked about how retirement communities are filled with STD’s. I just knew she was lying so I immediately fell down the rabbit hole of sex and the elderly. Doing the work so you don’t have to. No worries. Anyway STD’s left untreated make your brain mush. Now I haven’t gotten around to googling how right or wrong I am but what else could we be seeing in this photo?!
Whose nana is that in those awful pants?
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Post by Olan on Jan 24, 2021 23:16:26 GMT
The pea pants autocorrect wasn’t intentional but I ain’t fixing it
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Post by Olan on Jan 24, 2021 21:50:43 GMT
Never seems to be 🤷🏾♀️ Note: Revisionist history and the unwillingness to confront America’s past. Also the boldness in which the falsehoods are shared 🙄 Mothers of Mass Resistance would be an eye opening read. Elizabeth McRae is the author. I appreciate the info you post and the links. I have found them valuable. But that you feel you are the annointed savior of the Karens of 2 Peas is a bit much. I am eminently capable of edumacating myself by my own little self. Edumacating sounds about right 🥴 If someone provided information I found “valuable” I would be much more gracious in my criticism of them but what the hell do I know about kindness 😜 Maybe it got loss 🤷🏾♀️Today peano said while valuable she finds my participation a bit much. She took it even further and said I fancy myself the Savior of Karens. Especially upsetting when my official stance on Karens is they won’t ever change. And the most effective method physical correction. No recording. No Gayle interviews. I appreciate the info you post and the links. I have found them valuable. But that you feel you are the annointed savior of the Karens of 2 Peas is a bit much. I am eminently capable of edumacating myself by my own little self. Thank you for weighing in. For posterity sake this is the pea who told me white women were powerless and couldn’t exercise any good judgement during chattel slavery. When I explained that wasn’t the case she never came back to acknowledge the misinformation she tried to pass as fact. The thread: 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/110444/black-peoplePlease note I don’t give a damn how you’ve categorized my participation or what you find valuable. Just last week I posted a lovely video of Toni Morrison where she implores white people to tackle racism without the help of Black women. I’ll bump it.
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Post by Olan on Jan 24, 2021 21:08:29 GMT
For what it’s worth I take more issue with people not calling out peano. White women seem to think correcting one another is a pile on. As if private messaging doesn’t work. Trust me I get solidarity and holding rank 😉but I will pull a Black women to the side with a loving correction in a second. You’ll see the few Black peas do the same to me.. Peano is smug with it too. Repeat offender even😳. One thread the work Black women have to do is unconscionable but in another simply to disagree with me she gives a participation trophy to everyone who voted. Guess who becomes the bully when I say sit down with a book and STFU.
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Post by Olan on Jan 24, 2021 20:57:46 GMT
I’m going to regret this but here goes. I didn’t vote because I’m opposed to reparations and I think black people are perfectly capable of advocating for themselves. No one called her out for this comment? I'm not sure how to respond to her post, but I find it objectionable. eta - Maybe its best just to ignore her? She tends to post something controversial, especially on political threads, then just disappears. I purposely ignored her. The most I’ll do is quote because peas have removed comments from my threads after the fact. The biggest part of me values this type of pointed language. Not knowing where I stand with peas always keeps me from engaging in threads that aren’t my own. You will think you’ve found community when people object to your right to live freely and shit. I like clean lines. Linda provides em 😉
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Post by Olan on Jan 24, 2021 18:32:44 GMT
I don’t care who she wants to sleep with. I just wish she would loosen her ponytail. Gives me a headache every time I see her. You aren’t alone 😜Meh I’m just happy JoJo is low level on the cultural appropriation scale. She may have a receding hairline but at least she doesn’t have edges.
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Post by Olan on Jan 24, 2021 18:25:21 GMT
I said the ONE thing I liked about Melania... I don't recall the raincoat. Hate her or love her, Melania is a very attractive woman and would probably look good in a paper sack. That’s just it though Melanie isn’t all that attractive 🤷🏾♀️Like not at all. The likely reason she is associated with beauty is her NOT BLACKNESS. Most sex workers are way more sexually appealing in my opinion.
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Post by Olan on Jan 24, 2021 17:09:42 GMT
Could you just mark it political for me then please? I was being serious. I think you quoted me and you meant to quote someone else. If that isn't the case, you could have explained to me what you felt the connection was. But you went in another direction. Might I even say a predictable direction? I was being serious too. Predictable behavior is comforting for me. Never having to guess how people will treat me helps me know how to treat them.
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Post by Olan on Jan 24, 2021 16:52:17 GMT
I made a joke about who will post black issues if I don’t and get called a savior... Let’s see how they react to your indignant idea that whatever bothers you bothers everyone else too. Again I appreciate the candor 😂 Not sure why you quoted me. Your post doesn't seem to have any connection to what I said here. Could you just mark it political for me then please?
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Post by Olan on Jan 24, 2021 16:50:21 GMT
I appreciate the candor. I would stew about the motives and now I can just chalk it up to ummm...predictable behavior. FTR I disagree with the “if you don’t like things, why stay” it slaps of 45 supporters telling everyone to like it or leave. If I leave who will continue posting “Black issues” Olan I appreciate you posting about "black issues". Because of your postings, I had a very good conversation with an Uber driver after witnessing subtle racism, and I learned about racism in the area I live, and what I could do to help. Thank you! I’m glad I could help!
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Post by Olan on Jan 24, 2021 16:47:34 GMT
I was specifically referring to the part where the thread on impotence being a side effect of COVID went off-track. It would be easy enough just to try to rein people in to get back on topic or start a new thread for people who want to discuss the medical aspects of the side effects of COVID. Now if you did that, and people were still tittering like schoolboys about limp dicks, then I'd think you'd be justified in complaining. Well specifically about that thread I stumbled on it after the discussion was no longer active and didn't feel it served any purpose to post and resurrect it. I made a joke about who will post black issues if I don’t and get called a savior... Let’s see how they react to your indignant idea that whatever bothers you bothers everyone else too. Again I appreciate the candor 😂
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Post by Olan on Jan 24, 2021 16:37:52 GMT
In response to your passage that I bolded for emphasis, what would have happened is that white women would have been punished in any number of “nice”, creative ways as they literally had no more legal rights than Black people at that time. They were more socially accepted, yes, obviously, but legally they were at the mercy of their husbands and fathers and dependent upon their goodwill. They were their husband's property and subject to their rules. Standing up to men at that time might have resulted in their medication into submission, threats to separate them/actually separate them from their children, physical violence, institutionalization, among others. Not exactly the breeding ground for social justice action. Never seems to be 🤷🏾♀️ Note: Revisionist history and the unwillingness to confront America’s past. Also the boldness in which the falsehoods are shared 🙄 Mothers of Mass Resistance would be an eye opening read. Elizabeth McRae is the author. I appreciate the candor. I would stew about the motives and now I can just chalk it up to ummm...predictable behavior. FTR I disagree with the “if you don’t like things, why stay” it slaps of 45 supporters telling everyone to like it or leave. If I leave who will continue posting “Black issues” Olan I appreciate the info you post and the links. I have found them valuable. But that you feel you are the annointed savior of the Karens of 2 Peas is a bit much. I am eminently capable of edumacating myself by my own little self. Edumacating sounds about right 🥴 If someone provided information I found “valuable” I would be much more gracious in my criticism of them but what the hell do I know about kindness 😜
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Post by Olan on Jan 24, 2021 16:35:24 GMT
peanoPeano thinks I want the title “Savior of Karens” I’m going to guess most Karens don’t believe in their own ability to change. Why would I? I appreciate the candor. I would stew about the motives and now I can just chalk it up to ummm...predictable behavior. FTR I disagree with the “if you don’t like things, why stay” it slaps of 45 supporters telling everyone to like it or leave. If I leave who will continue posting “Black issues” Olan I appreciate the info you post and the links. I have found them valuable. But that you feel you are the annointed savior of the Karens of 2 Peas is a bit much. I am eminently capable of edumacating myself by my own little self.
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Post by Olan on Jan 24, 2021 16:32:40 GMT
I appreciate the candor. I would stew about the motives and now I can just chalk it up to ummm...predictable behavior. FTR I disagree with the “if you don’t like things, why stay” it slaps of 45 supporters telling everyone to like it or leave. If I leave who will continue posting “Black issues” Olan I appreciate the info you post and the links. I have found them valuable. But that you feel you are the annointed savior of the Karens of 2 Peas is a bit much. I am eminently capable of edumacating myself by my own little self. Thank you for weighing in. For posterity sake this is the pea who told me white women were powerless and couldn’t exercise any good judgement during chattel slavery. When I explained that wasn’t the case she never came back to acknowledge the misinformation she tried to pass as fact. The thread: 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/110444/black-peoplePlease note I don’t give a damn how you’ve categorized my participation or what you find valuable. Just last week I posted a lovely video of Toni Morrison where she implores white people to tackle racism without the help of Black women. I’ll bump it.
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Post by Olan on Jan 24, 2021 15:12:01 GMT
www.facebook.com/sweetcravingsbakeryva/This baker, Kimberly Outlaw of Chesapeake, VA just received a grant from Beyoncé's BeyGood Impact fund. She makes incredible "creative and often photorealistic sculptures" cakes. To survive the pandemic she has been selling desserts to this Norfolk, VA eatery, Our People’s Soulful Seafood My niece lives nearby. I’ll send her treats for Valentines Day. Thanks for sharing
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Post by Olan on Jan 24, 2021 15:09:04 GMT
I can't quote more than one pea in a post, and so I will just reply to all of you who have collectvely criticized me. I am not the only person who labels threads as political. Apparently I am just the only one willing to admit it. Since the labeling was being discussed, I wanted to point out that there were other reasons for someone to use the tag other than being a butt hurt trump lover. I don't label every ugly pile on as political. I label the political ugly pile ons as political. If you can't admit that yor political bashing is political, that is your blind spot, not mine. To call me the board police is a bit silly when even in this one thread, several other peas have announced rules that they think should be in place. Maybe they should be the board police. And now specifically to you, lainey . This is the second time you have accused me of only posting complaints about the peas being mean. Why don't you actually take a look at my posts to see what I post about? Is it because that wouldn't support your position? The first time you accused me this way was after the epic bullying post that you started. Clearly you don't support my position that there are bullies here. That is fine. Maybe you only see a few posts of mine because we don't visit the same threads. Before accusing me of hating the board and suggesting I leave, why don't you actually see what I post? I see what you post, and occasionally you have posted quite kindly to me. But whenever I see your avatar I think of how you have now twice told me I should just leave. I appreciate the candor. I would stew about the motives and now I can just chalk it up to ummm...predictable behavior. FTR I disagree with the “if you don’t like things, why stay” it slaps of 45 supporters telling everyone to like it or leave. If I leave who will continue posting “Black issues” Olan
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